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In most of Alberta, you're prohibited from smoking basically in any building other than your own home (it varies because so far it's been a municipal decision). So no smoking in restaurants, or pubs, etc. You also have to be about 5 metres away from any door while smoking outside. Recently they've covered up all tobacco displays behind the counters, and now, provincial legislation is about to come into force (http://www.smokefreealberta.com/news__information/bill_45.html) that will prevent any sales of tobacco products in pharmacies or stores that contain pharmacies and public post-secondary campuses.


Now I can somewhat understand the thinking behind banning sales in pharmacies...but on university campuses?

Whatever, what do you think about all of this? It's a step I didn't expect, to be honest, and it makes me wonder what they'll do next.

Now I can somewhat understand the thinking behind banning sales in pharmacies...but on university campuses?

I'm kinda on the opposite foot here. I can sorta understand banning sales on campus, but pharmacies? That's all they do is sell drugs.

not that many restrictions in the UK yet - but we'll see...

I'm kinda on the opposite foot here. I can sorta understand banning sales on campus, but pharmacies? That's all they do is sell drugs.

I think the idea with not selling tobacco in pharmacies is that it's hypocritical to sell a product that not only has no health benefits, but actually harms your health...in a place that is supposedly dedicated to health.

I guess when people were saying that marijuana should be legal, cos , hey, look, tobacco is legal and its way worse, Alberta got the wrong end of the stick.

And pharmacies, yeah, they're for selling drugs, basically.(EDIT:Though Neesika has a point. *ponders*) University campuses, generally full of adults. Why should either place be prohibited from selling tobacco?

Boston just passed a similar law. Colleges and universities may not sell, nor can pharmacies. No place can allow smoking indoors (including hookah bars and cigar bars), and you can no longer smoke on porches/balconies.


Asshats.

I was fine with no smoking indoors...because it seemed perfectly alright to smoke on the balcony or patio...I didn't understand why they banned that. But I wonder how wide 'campus' is going to be interpreted. If widely, then the convenience stores 'on campus' are going to be prohibited from selling cigs, while the stores just a block or two away will be able to...that seems arbitrary and unfair.

I really don't get the campus ban.

Whatever, what do you think about all of this? It's a step I didn't expect, to be honest, and it makes me wonder what they'll do next.

I see a rise of Tobbacco stores up there.

I think the idea with not selling tobacco in pharmacies is that it's hypocritical to sell a product that not only has no health benefits, but actually harms your health...in a place that is supposedly dedicated to health.

Your probably right. But if the gov't wants to curb smoking, I'd rather see them sell tobacco products alongside quitting aids at a pharmacy rather than next to the porno rack when you go to pay for gas. It may send a subtle message.

I really don't get the campus ban.
I guess they assume that most Canadian college students are too drunk to successfully navigate off campus for their smokes . . .?

All smokers should be rounded-up into cages so we can throw food at them and poke them with sticks.

Note: This only applies to regular smokers and not to someone like myself that smokes a clove cigarette once in a blue moon. The former are evil and despicable, the latter are just cool.

EDIT: For those who's humor censors are broken, I am fucking kidding!!! Which should be fucking obvious.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/blog/2008/12/smoking_restric.html

link to an article about the Boston law. Looks like blunt wrappers are banned too.

Again, asshats.

All smokers should be rounded-up into cages so we can throw food at them and poke them with sticks.

Note: This only applies to regular smokers and not to someone like myself that smokes a clove cigarette once in a blue moon. The former are evil and despicable, the latter are just cool.

Agreed. I only smoke when I drink (which is constantly) and when I'm stressed.

Agreed. I only smoke when I drink (which is constantly) and when I'm stressed.

Ditto that.

I can't help it that I'm always drunk, stressed, or drunk and stressed...:(

Wow. I guess I have to stop mocking Alberta as the canadian equivalent of Texas now...

I think the idea with not selling tobacco in pharmacies is that it's hypocritical to sell a product that not only has no health benefits, but actually harms your health...in a place that is supposedly dedicated to health.

I agree with you.

What gets me is that the pharmacies can sell chocolate bars, and other similar items. How are those good for your health?

I think I'd have switched to snuff tobacco by now if I were a smoker. It's discreet, legal everywhere, doesn't have an odor, etc. :tongue:

I agree with you.

What gets me is that the pharmacies can sell chocolate bars, and other similar items. How are those good for your health?

To be fair, they don't usually cause cancer. Or bronchitis, or birth defects, or heart disease, or...

I think I'd have switched to snuff tobacco by now if I were a smoker. It's discreet, legal everywhere, doesn't have an odor, etc. :tongue:

All that vegetable matter must get back out of your nose somehow. That's a bit gross.

Chewing tobacco has the same problem, you get all the nicotine through the lining of the mouth, but you don't really want to swallow the cud or even the juice.

The idea of not burning the tobacco has merit.

All that vegetable matter must get back out of your nose somehow. That's a bit gross.

Chewing tobacco has the same problem, you get all the nicotine through the lining of the mouth, but you don't really want to swallow the cud or even the juice.

The idea of not burning the tobacco has merit.

It's a very fine powder, from what I remember. You'd ingest it, but a pinch here and there wouldn't be too noticible - it wouldn't be like trying to suck a chaw of dip through your nostril I don't think. I haven't tried either one myself, though.

It's a very fine powder, from what I remember. You'd ingest it, but a pinch here and there wouldn't be too noticible - it wouldn't be like trying to suck a chaw of dip through your nostril I don't think. I haven't tried either one myself, though.

I've tried each once. The taste of the tobacco was intolerable -- nicotine and old boots. The snuff burned but in a pleasant way, until my nose started running and there was nicotine and old boots running out both ends of my nose.

To be fair, they don't usually cause cancer. Or bronchitis, or birth defects, or heart disease, or...

It does lead to obesity, diabetes.... and let's not even get into the potential for tainted goods.

All smokers should be rounded-up into cages so we can throw food at them and poke them with sticks.

Note: This only applies to regular smokers and not to someone like myself that smokes a clove cigarette once in a blue moon. The former are evil and despicable, the latter are just cool.

Wow....just wow...and I thought I was hard on convicted child molesters.

Campuses. I guess schols selling smokes is bad for image, but its their choice. Also, you should be free to smoke wherever theres ppl. I know that wasnt the question but thats my thoughts.

I've tried each once. The taste of the tobacco was intolerable -- nicotine and old boots. The snuff burned but in a pleasant way, until my nose started running and there was nicotine and old boots running out both ends of my nose.

Well, I guess those wouldn't be the best ways to get around smoking laws after all. Sounds pretty unpleasant.

Wow....just wow...and I thought I was hard on convicted child molesters.

I think he was being facetious.

How incredibly lame.

*Moves to One-o-One - Civil rights "Frightening"*

All smokers should be rounded-up into cages so we can throw food at them and poke them with sticks.

Note: This only applies to regular smokers and not to someone like myself that smokes a clove cigarette once in a blue moon. The former are evil and despicable, the latter are just cool.

That's like serial rapists are evil, but someone who just rapes every once in a blue moon is alright.

Honestly they should legalize marijuanna if they are going to continue to sell tobacco. At least with marijuanna there are medicinal uses for it. Cigarette companies are just profiting off of cancer.

Cigarette companies are just profiting off of cancer.

No they aren't. The cancer doesn't benefit them at all. It actually eliminates a percentage of their customer base.

Now, for-profit companies that do research into cancer treatment pharmaceuticals? They profit off of cancer.

That's like serial rapists are evil, but someone who just rapes every once in a blue moon is alright.
no its not.

not in the least

there is nothing inherently evil about breathing smoke into your lungs.

no its not.

not in the least

there is nothing inherently evil about breathing smoke into your lungs.

I agree, but I was working from the premise that regular smokers are 'evil and despicable' as TCT stated.

I agree, but I was working from the premise that regular smokers are 'evil and despicable' as TCT stated.
uh....

as they are!

but clove smokers are just players. hate the game, not the player.

Same laws exist in Nova Scotia already. They won't enforce them, things won't change, nothing for you to complain about, sadly.

Although I believe in declaring from January 1st to December 31st 2009 all smokers (Or anyone) can have absolutely free stop-smoking aids/treatment, but anyone caught smoking anywhere, any time, after Jan 1st 2010 should be shot on the spot. Then you're at least being fair and helpful before killing them.

And yes, I am deadly serious.

All smokers should be rounded-up into cages so we can throw food at them and poke them with sticks.

Note: This only applies to regular smokers and not to someone like myself that smokes a clove cigarette once in a blue moon. The former are evil and despicable, the latter are just cool.
What a blind, narrow view you have. What an arrogant man you are.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/4/4f/Madred%2C_four_lights.jpg/300px-Madred%2C_four_lights.jpg
How many lights?

That's like serial rapists are evil, but someone who just rapes every once in a blue moon is alright.

Exactically! Thank you for understanding my logic.

What a blind, narrow view you have. What an arrogant man you are.

I love you too. *goes to smoke clove*

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/4/4f/Madred%2C_four_lights.jpg/300px-Madred%2C_four_lights.jpg
How many lights?

FIVE LIGHTS!!!!!

Why not pump the tax revenue from ciggie’s straight into cancer/other "smoking related illness" research. In a few years there will be cures for them all and all this anti-smoking legislation will be pointless and we can reduce tax. Everyone's a winner, smokers need not worry about there health and non smokers will have cures for the "smoking related illness" they will get even though they never touched a single cigarette in there life.

Great.

I was fine with no smoking indoors...because it seemed perfectly alright to smoke on the balcony or patio...I didn't understand why they banned that. But I wonder how wide 'campus' is going to be interpreted. If widely, then the convenience stores 'on campus' are going to be prohibited from selling cigs, while the stores just a block or two away will be able to...that seems arbitrary and unfair.

I really don't get the campus ban.Are there similar campus bans on the sale of alcohol? That might be why.

It's a step I didn't expect, to be honest, and it makes me wonder what they'll do next.

Really? This just up and took you by surprise? Did the thought process go something like this: 'You know, they're restricting places you can smoke to an ever constricting radius, surely the last thing they would do is branch out into making cigarettes more difficult to obtain...'?

I'll tell you what they're going to do next. They're going to make cigarettes more and and more difficult to obtain because that way, you obtain the end result you want(people not smoking)without all that inconvienent political backlash you'd get from being honest about your goals and just making cigarettes illegal

Canada more backwards then Texas.

Exactically! Thank you for understanding my logic.

I... see. I still disagree. Regular smokers and serial rapists are way cooler, since if you're going to rape, you might as well rape as many as you can. The once-in-a-blue-mooners are way behind. Ha-ha, losers.

My home county's health department passed a regulation outlawing smoking in any place of employment a few years back.

They specifically included a prohibition for anyone who hired domestic help in their homes, even for one hour a week, applicable to the entire home. It seems that if you hire someone to work, you can't possibly risk that they might be offended by the lingering taint of secondhand smoke when they visited your home. Needless to say, it was widely ignored before being overturned as out of the county health department's jurisdiction.

I can't see the logic in leaving the product legal, but making use of it or sales of it illegal. If these people want to be the Morals Police, they should stick to their guns and make cigarettes illegal. This "sneaking around the edges" bullshit consistently pisses me off.

It does lead to obesity, diabetes....

Which aren';t fatal nearly as often

and let's not even get into the potential for tainted goods.

Ah, so you realize that every cigarette is full of carcinogens and radioactive materials.

Whatever, what do you think about all of this?

Yay. Ftw.

I find it a bit of a double standard that we're being increasingly unpermissive towards smoking because "it's everybody's air" and yet we're not applying the same increasing unpermissiveness to automobile pollution.

I find it a bit of a double standard that we're being increasingly unpermissive towards smoking because "it's everybody's air" and yet we're not applying the same increasing unpermissiveness to automobile pollution.

The anti-tobacco crowd consoles themselves with the lie that they're trying to do the latter too. But they don't hound drivers or car owners the same way they hound smokers. They console themselves with the false justification that "cars are necessary."

You people fail at humour. Seriously. Trostia maybe not so much, but you never know with him. What's wrong with you?


You failed to get the reference.

Oh so you're not being a humourless douche?

I was referring to your asking Indri "what's wrong with you" and saying he/she failed at humor. It's just he made a joke or, in this case a reference and you failed to get it, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with him.

So yeah, maybe it's not everyone else who's failing at humor. ;)

The anti-tobacco crowd consoles themselves with the lie that they're trying to do the latter too. But they don't hound drivers or car owners the same way they hound smokers. They console themselves with the false justification that "cars are necessary."
I'd be careful about generalizing about the anti-tobacco crowd. And for what it's worth, I think it has more to do with how it would be harder to hound all drivers than to hound all smokers. As for the notion that cars are necessary, I agree that assumption is questionable at best, but in a society that's gotten so used to them, it's understandable that some people think that way.

I'm too bitchy to post.

Never!

I'd be careful about generalizing about the anti-tobacco crowd.

Heh! I'm well aware there's a whole host of anti-tobacco flavors. I could and do go into detail about just what's wrong with each and every one of them, but I didn't feel like putting that much effort today. :p

And for what it's worth, I think it has more to do with how it would be harder to hound all drivers than to hound all smokers.

Well, yeah. Always easier to pick on the minority, than on all your friends and family including yourself. Especially if, as in this case, it's considered socially acceptable to hound on that minority. (Including, I might add, making generalizations about them. I.E., smokers are rude, smokers are suicidal, smokers like to drink the blood of newborn infants, etc.)

As for the notion that cars are necessary, I agree that assumption is questionable at best, but in a society that's gotten so used to them, it's understandable that some people think that way.

Understandable, sure, but still needs to be challenged. Especially if we're to have any hope of weaning ourselves off oil and the era of cheap, abundant energy which can be wasted at will.

Never!

Yeah I really am. Got a migraine, my man's gone for two weeks, I'm missing x-mas with my kids, behind on school work, and I've been sick for weeks now. Blech. No point in getting a forum 'time out' on top of it.

Yeah I really am. Got a migraine, my man's gone for two weeks, I'm missing x-mas with my kids, behind on school work, and I've been sick for weeks now. Blech. No point in getting a forum 'time out' on top of it.

I should think one such would be in your best interests (I know my voluntary one was quite nice)... but, you draw the line for yourself. I hope you feel better soon, hun. :)

I should think one such would be in your best interests (I know my voluntary one was quite nice)... but, you draw the line for yourself. I hope you feel better soon, hun. :)

Thanks...and yeah, a voluntary one is better.

Yeah...thats bullshit...They tried doing that ban in Gulfport down here...it was struck down within a month or two...bars and Pool Halls lobbied pretty hard, lol...

Thanks...and yeah, a voluntary one is better.

Viens avec moi, on quittera cet endroit... *hugs*

Wait, aren't students on university campuses old enough to smoke anyways? And, for that matter, where's the bitching about having alcohol around campuses...binge drinking is a lot more dangerous than smoking no matter which way you look at it.

Oh well, I guess I'll just have to live in South Carolina...

The anti-tobacco crowd consoles themselves with the lie that they're trying to do the latter too. But they don't hound drivers or car owners the same way they hound smokers. They console themselves with the false justification that "cars are necessary."

Don't be so ridiculous! I'm 29, I never got a driver's license or a car, and I don't intend on getting either.

tobacco was once a ritual drug, that has since been victumized by commercial exploitation.

like all ritual drugs, the context of ritual is where they belong, not, in general recreational consumption.