NationStates Jolt Archive


Democracy at a price

Barringtonia
12-12-2008, 11:07
Here's an interesting one...

One of the few remaining feudal kingdoms - the little island of Sark off the UK - has just held its first democratic elections.

For a few precious hours there was a sense of jubilation and victory on Sark yesterday as, on a bright blue day, the tiny Channel island celebrated its first democratic election after 150 years of feudal rule.

There's just over 500 people living there and with a 90% turn out of 490 so people, what a landmark for democracy...

...or so it seems.

The island's economy is boosted by the interest of the Barclay's brothers, who own the Telegraph among others, and there's clearly been a feud between traditional islanders and the investors.

In the run-up to the election, two factions emerged. One backed the Barclays, who have greatly improved some of Sark's hotels and other properties. The other faction liked things how they were and sided with the feudal "lord", the seigneur, Michael Beaumont, who is losing many of his powers and rights.

One of the election promises by the Barclay's brothers was that they'd bugger off and take their investment with them if none of their candidates gained a seat.

Well none of them did.

But joy turned to despair for many, and uncertainty for all, when the Barclay brothers, owners of the Telegraph and the Ritz hotel, reacted to their disappointment at failing to get their chosen candidates elected by announcing they were ceasing their multimillion-pound operation on the island and laying off 140 workers.

Last night two hotels, shops, and at least one restaurant owned by the brothers, who live in a castle on a neighbouring island, were being closed. The brothers' building work on Sark also ceased.

Democracy comes at a price...

"The true sadness of it all is that the real loser will be Sark and, in particular, its workforce. But the Barclay family cannot be expected to continue investing at the rate of £5m per annum. I find it very hard, particularly at this time of year, not to wonder about the old saying to do with turkeys and whether or not they would vote for Christmas; well it seems we have our answer. I am genuinely saddened. The people of Sark have spoken."

...and consequences.

One hotel worker, who asked not to be named, said: "It is devastating for us. Everyone thought this election was going to be a bit of fun - and good for the island. But it's turning out to be a nightmare for us."

It was a swift response to a disappointing, perhaps humiliating, day for the brothers. They have led the charge for democracy on the island which has been run by a largely unelected parliament.

So, seems these islanders preferred their feudal lives,

What thinks NSG?

Link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/dec/12/barclay-brothers-sark-democratic-election)
Yootopia
12-12-2008, 11:39
I don't think they preferred the fact that their lives were basically feudal, I think they enjoyed having money and jobs. Otherwise you wouldn't have seen a 90% turnout to their first election and all that.
Peepelonia
12-12-2008, 11:41
So these brothers tried to buy the power and pissedoff when it didn't work? Shit I guess that comes as close to modern day democracy as you can get.

Welcome to democray Sark!
Ifreann
12-12-2008, 11:42
I wonder what the seigneur is going to do for his vassals now.
Yootopia
12-12-2008, 11:43
I wonder what the seigneur is going to do for his vassals now.
Stage a tiny, tiny coup. Maybe.
Zainzibar Land
12-12-2008, 11:47
Let's Start a Revolution
Barringtonia
12-12-2008, 11:53
I can somewhat see the Barclay's brothers point, I think there were quite a few seats going and they had 8 or 9 preferred candidates - not one mandated candidate - and not one gained a seat.

Clearly it was partly spite, clearly there was some acrimony but for jobs, you'd think the islanders would have acquiesced on one.

Then again, you invite the dragon in, you deal with the consequences.

It does seem to encapsulate the tension between democracy and business, the other end of this is industries contributing huge amounts in campaign funding for influence, or selling a seat in Congress.

EDIT: Apologies - they had 9 preferred candidates for a total of 28 seats, only 2 gained a seat.

Link (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gSZZ0jLda00a6Fatdt2C6p7OxFjg)
Non Aligned States
12-12-2008, 12:22
Well, if anything, it demonstrates democracy the way the Western world likes to tout it, in a nutshell. Obey the corporate masters or suffer the consequences.

Well, not like that's a real surprise. Money and power talks, and it's usually nothing pleasant.
Dumb Ideologies
12-12-2008, 12:43
Can't say I'm surprised. When democracy doesn't go their way, the rich kiddies throw their toys out of the pram screaming "I don't want to play with you no more!" A group of islanders should go to the Telegraph offices and burn them. Revenge, and it would also get rid of that godawful sack of shit newspaper for a while. Everyone wins.
Rambhutan
12-12-2008, 12:48
Having lived on Guernsey I can tell you this only tells half the story. The Barclay brothers own and live on Brecqhou, an island next to Sark. They are interested in controlling power in Sark because Brecqhou is under Sark's jurisdiction and they have been blatantly breaking Sark's laws over the years. A case of 'I have money why should laws apply to me'.
Barringtonia
12-12-2008, 12:51
Well, if anything, it demonstrates democracy the way the Western world likes to tout it, in a nutshell. Obey the corporate masters or suffer the consequences.

Well, not like that's a real surprise. Money and power talks, and it's usually nothing pleasant.

I find the whole thing fascinating, I can understand the dilemma of the islanders, it's nice to have a growing economy and a little more money, perhaps go on a little holiday to Jersey. They accepted the investment, perhaps blind to the consequences and there's plenty of examples of easy rewards coming with unseen strings attached.

Yet I've also seen the parochial attitudes of small communities, resistant to any change to the detriment of the people, a very odd human quality, to spite the face. I like the quote about turkeys, would turkeys vote to leave the free food and care they receive on a farm despite the fact they're just being fattened for slaughter....

Some would say freedom at all costs, some would say it's hard out there fending for yourself.

People do willingly commit themselves to slavery for security, hell, in some senses we all do by joining the capitalist rat race. I accept a job for pay, I take the rules and regulations.

Yet in any dispute, it can escalate until positions are entrenched, pride overtaking a sensible solution so everyone loses.

Humans, an odd lot.
Psychotic Mongooses
12-12-2008, 13:26
Stage a tiny, tiny coup. Maybe.

I call Vice President!
Yootopia
12-12-2008, 14:32
I call Vice President!
Seeing as I'll be Supreme Chairman For Life, fair enough. Although you could change your title to Vice Chairman, that'd be more... right...
Dumb Ideologies
12-12-2008, 14:45
I call Vice President!

I call Rice President! A very specialised job, not sure who'd take on the wider role of cereal foodstuffs import supervisor.
The Blaatschapen
12-12-2008, 15:07
Having lived on Guernsey I can tell you this only tells half the story. The Barclay brothers own and live on Brecqhou, an island next to Sark. They are interested in controlling power in Sark because Brecqhou is under Sark's jurisdiction and they have been blatantly breaking Sark's laws over the years. A case of 'I have money why should laws apply to me'.

Hmmm, Guernsey and now your location is Moresnet. Do you like being in those kind of weird places? :P
Rambhutan
12-12-2008, 15:15
Hmmm, Guernsey and now your location is Moresnet. Do you like being in those kind of weird places? :P

They will never find me
Chumblywumbly
12-12-2008, 16:30
I don't know what's worse, feudalism, or pseudo-democracy brought by the Barclays...
Ashmoria
12-12-2008, 16:33
the fallout sucks but im impressed that they would used this new democracy to tell their new wouldbe overlords to stick it.
HC Eredivisie
12-12-2008, 16:41
There's just over 500 people living there and with a 90% turn out of 490 so people, what a landmark for democracy...That's actually more like a 98% turn out, and we all know what kind of countries have those figures.

It must be an EBIL country filled with dirty commies, terrorist muslims and Australians and WMD's!