NationStates Jolt Archive


City Bans Swearing

Hotwife
11-12-2008, 16:53
Well, good fucking luck with that...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7774056.stm

Council bosses are trying to stamp out swearing in a city centre as part of a campaign against anti-social behaviour.

Signs and banners have been put up across Preston pointing out "Rules 'Round Town" such as "No 'Effin and 'Jeffin" and "No Aggro".

The posters are part of the Respect Our City campaign, designed to reduce anti-social behaviour such as swearing, spitting and litter dropping.

The rules will be enforced by police and council officers.

Police can give out fixed penalty notices of up to £80 for various public order offences while council officers can impose £75 on-the-spot fines for litter offences.

Posters have been put up in shops, restaurants and takeaways in the city centre and stickers will be used on beer mats in pubs and clubs.

I guess that they can also hit you with one of those anti-social behavior orders as well.

From what I remember of Preston, I was lucky to find someone who could actually read, write, and speak English (the place is full of recent arrivals from places where they don't speak a word of English).
Londim
11-12-2008, 16:57
Well, good fucking luck with that...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7774056.stm



I guess that they can also hit you with one of those anti-social behavior orders as well.

From what I remember of Preston, I was lucky to find someone who could actually read, write, and speak English (the place is full of recent arrivals from places where they don't speak a word of English).

Trying to stop swearing is like trying to reach the centre of the earth with a chisel. You can try but you won't succeed.
Aelosia
11-12-2008, 16:58
Wow, penalized swearing?

I support the campaign against litter dropping, but against spitting is hard to enforce, and against swearing, well, it's almost funny. Regarding offense, there are laws in the country that penalizes that, but for swearing out loud for no reason? That's a right!
Hotwife
11-12-2008, 16:59
Wow, penalized swearing?

I support the campaign against litter dropping, but against spitting is hard to enforce, and against swearing, well, it's almost funny. Regarding offense, there are laws in the country that penalizes that, but for swearing out loud for no reason? That's a right!

In some countries, swearing is an art form.
Callisdrun
11-12-2008, 16:59
Trying to stop swearing is like trying to reach the centre of the earth with a chisel. You can try but you won't succeed.

And if you chip deep enough, you might just be overwhelmed by blisteringly hot magma. *nods*
Cabra West
11-12-2008, 17:02
I never liked Britain's war on "anti-social behaviour"... politically, it's very questionable (as in, what defines "anti-social behaviour" to begin with), and socially it would be joke if it wasn't so sad.
Worst idea ever.
Aelosia
11-12-2008, 17:04
In some countries, swearing is an art form.

Indeed.

I never liked Britain's war on "anti-social behaviour"... politically, it's very questionable (as in, what defines "anti-social behaviour" to begin with), and socially it would be joke if it wasn't so sad.
Worst idea ever.

Couldn't agree more. I hate vague legal terms as "anti social behavior". Here in my country we still have lots and lots of laws based in concepts like "moral and good customs". What the fuck is that? Where is defined?
Cabra West
11-12-2008, 17:05
Indeed.



Couldn't agree more. I hate vague legal terms as "anti social behavior". Here in my country we still have lots and lots of laws based in concepts like "moral and good customs". What the fuck is that? Where is defined?

It's not, and that's what makes it so scary and ineffective at the same time.
Rambhutan
11-12-2008, 17:07
I am kind of hoping that, like the smoking shelters in pub gardens, the people of Preston will have little sheds where they can go and swear.
Eofaerwic
11-12-2008, 17:10
It's a joke and unenforceable really, unless they have police patrolling the place constantly.

So overall good f***ing luck with that.
Ifreann
11-12-2008, 17:16
I believe it's already an offence to swear at a police officer in Engerland(maybe the rest of Britain too). Section 4 of the Public Order Act comes to mind, that might be it.
*engages the wiki*
Hmm, not just the police.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_or_Provocation_of_Violence
The Public Order Act 1986 s.4 states:

1) A person is guilty of an offence if he -
a) uses towards another person threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or
b) distributes or displays to another person any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,

with intent to cause that person to believe that immediate unlawful violence will be used against him or another by any person, or to provoke the immediate use of unlawful violence by that person or another, or whereby that person is likely to believe that such violence will be used or it is likely that such violence will be provoked.

2) An offence under this section may be committed in a public or a private place, except that no offence is committed where the words or behaviour are used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation is distributed or displayed, by a person inside a dwelling and the other person is also inside that dwelling.

This offence can be Racially or Religiously aggravated (Crime and Disorder Act 1998, s31(1)(a)
Cabra West
11-12-2008, 17:18
I believe it's already an offence to swear at a police officer in Engerland(maybe the rest of Britain too). Section 4 of the Public Order Act comes to mind, that might be it.
*engages the wiki*
Hmm, not just the police.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_or_Provocation_of_Violence

So.... swearing in pubs is perfectly ok, just so long you don't swear out the door???
Jagaro
11-12-2008, 17:26
I am filled with disgust, how can any country call it's self civilized with these kind of laws, it is a sacrilege against freedom.
Lunatic Goofballs
11-12-2008, 17:28
That's some fucked up shit right there!
Cabra West
11-12-2008, 17:31
We all know what's gonna happen, don't we?

People will use words like "Feck!", "Buttons!" and the like a lot more, and may even come up with a good few new ones.

Btw, is there a list of what words are swear-words, and what words are ok?
Teritora
11-12-2008, 17:32
Swearing huh, I thought it was the twentyfirst century, not the 1700s. Then again, in the 7 city area I live in, they arrested an woman causing an public disturbance by Holahopping to music and another was ticketed for letting their icecream melt onto the sidewalk... on 100 F. degree day. They come up with some strange laws sometimes.
Ifreann
11-12-2008, 17:33
So.... swearing in pubs is perfectly ok, just so long you don't swear out the door???
Effectively, yes.
We all know what's gonna happen, don't we?

People will use words like "Feck!", "Buttons!" and the like a lot more, and may even come up with a good few new ones.

Btw, is there a list of what words are swear-words, and what words are ok?

Bunch of smegheads.
Rambhutan
11-12-2008, 17:36
We all know what's gonna happen, don't we?

People will use words like "Feck!", "Buttons!" and the like a lot more, and may even come up with a good few new ones.

Btw, is there a list of what words are swear-words, and what words are ok?

Fecking clints, I say buttons to the flicking lot of them, they all have shirts for brains.
Hotwife
11-12-2008, 17:37
I am kind of hoping that, like the smoking shelters in pub gardens, the people of Preston will have little sheds where they can go and swear.

So, I'll have to have two sheds, one for swearing smokers, and one for non-swearing smokers?
Cabra West
11-12-2008, 17:41
Fecking clints, I say buttons to the flicking lot of them, they all have shirts for brains.

Oh, flip it, you made me squirt tea out my nose now, you little basket!
Ardchoille
11-12-2008, 17:42
Goodness gracious me, that's jolly awful, and they're a big bunch of sillies!
Gerainia
11-12-2008, 17:42
I am filled with disgust, how can any country call it's self civilized with these kind of laws, it is a sacrilege against freedom.

There isn't actually any new law, just new posters. This isn't America where any town (or f**ked up little village for that matter) can make it's own laws as it pleases.
Hotwife
11-12-2008, 17:46
There isn't actually any new law, just new posters. This isn't America where any town (or f**ked up little village for that matter) can make it's own laws as it pleases.

It's just that the local council, if they hear you swearing enough, can hit you with an ASBO, which does have legal ramifications.
Pirated Corsairs
11-12-2008, 17:48
I say we send George Carlin's ghost over there. There's seven words I bet the city'd love.
Ifreann
11-12-2008, 17:48
I say we send George Carlin's ghost over there. There's seven words I bet the city'd love.

But will it be on TV?
Cabra West
11-12-2008, 17:49
But will it be on TV?

On "Most Haunted". *nods*
Londim
11-12-2008, 17:49
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/curse_levels.jpg
Ifreann
11-12-2008, 17:50
On "Most Haunted". *nods*

But then nobody will watch it.....
Pirated Corsairs
11-12-2008, 17:50
But will it be on TV?

I imagine if his ghost showed up, it'd make at least local news.
Intangelon
11-12-2008, 17:52
Socialist nightmare that a law like that can even be passed. Please tell me that it will be challenged and overturned.
Hydesland
11-12-2008, 17:55
What the flipping heck is this rhubarb? Seriously, only motherflipping mugs would support bullpoop like this!
Nanatsu no Tsuki
11-12-2008, 17:57
Socialist nightmare that a law like that can even be passed. Please tell me that it will be challenged and overturned.

We hope it is.
Londim
11-12-2008, 17:58
We hope it is.

I could see the residents of Preston taking this up with the European Court of Human Rights.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
11-12-2008, 17:59
I could see the residents of Preston taking this up with the European Court of Human Rights.

It's kind of a violation to the right of free expression, isn't it?
Ifreann
11-12-2008, 18:00
Socialist nightmare that a law like that can even be passed. Please tell me that it will be challenged and overturned.

Socialist?
Londim
11-12-2008, 18:01
It's kind of a violation to the right of free expression, isn't it?

Just a little. If not as far as the European Court of Human Rights then at least it will be brought in front of the Lords.
Intangelon
11-12-2008, 18:02
Socialist?

You're right. Strike that. Fascist nightmare.
Lunatic Goofballs
11-12-2008, 18:03
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/curse_levels.jpg

Yay! :D
Jagaro
11-12-2008, 18:05
Hopefuly they will realise that the whole bit legislation is on a level of "bullsuhiness" somewhere between finding your spose cheating on you and getting a colonoscopy done with an anthrax covered pipe wrench.

Edit: not that I have ever experienced either of those.
Intangelon
11-12-2008, 18:06
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/curse_levels.jpg

That's just sloppin' over with win. Do like!
Eofaerwic
11-12-2008, 18:09
I believe it's already an offence to swear at a police officer in Engerland(maybe the rest of Britain too). Section 4 of the Public Order Act comes to mind, that might be it.
*engages the wiki*
Hmm, not just the police.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_or_Provocation_of_Violence

Note the important part of that law: "with intent to cause that person to believe that immediate unlawful violence will be used against him"

Ergo... you can't (seriously) threaten to beat someone up.

Like I say, it's unenforcable really on a general level. I suspect they will just use it against those idiots who decided to hurl abuse at people at the top of their lungs.

Is it a good idea? No, but I seriously doubt it's the apocalypse people are portraying it as.

And this is just a local council and if they seriously tried to enforce it I imagine it would quickly get shut down. It's one of those wonderful intiatives to make x city a nicer place to live, without actually dealing with any of the underlying problems (and this being Preston, they're on a losing streak to begin with).
Nanatsu no Tsuki
11-12-2008, 19:26
Just a little. If not as far as the European Court of Human Rights then at least it will be brought in front of the Lords.

As well they shoudl bring it. Who the fuck are they to think they can take my motherfuckimng right to fucking curse, shit?:mad:


:D
Mad hatters in jeans
11-12-2008, 19:31
*puts head in hands*
godamn it Butters, who put him in charge of swearing offences?
Chernobyl-Pripyat
11-12-2008, 19:34
*puts head in hands*
godamn it Butters, who put him in charge of swearing offences?

Hamburgers!..



This would not go to well over here, it's literally impossible to have a conversation in Russian without swearing.
JuNii
11-12-2008, 19:35
is this in the same area where they have the CCTV and loudspeakers set up to "watch for loiters and other rule-breakers"?
Hotwife
11-12-2008, 19:36
You! Yes, you behind the bike shed!
Stand still, laddie!
Mad hatters in jeans
11-12-2008, 19:38
is this in the same area where they have the CCTV and loudspeakers set up to "watch for loiters and other rule-breakers"?

"I say this Orwellian nightmare has gone on too long!"
"we must swear as much as possible in Lancashire in order to show our distaste of these poo-heads!"
"Vive Le France!"
"er, Vive Le Britain?"
"no no, Vae Victus Santa"
*drops into the black hole at the centre of our Galaxy*
Londim
11-12-2008, 19:40
That's just sloppin' over with win. Do like!

Yay. *chalks up win number 2"
Yootopia
11-12-2008, 22:11
Ban swearing in Preston? Fuck off :D
JuNii
11-12-2008, 22:15
Ban swearing in Preston? Fuck off :D

Yootopia, You are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute. :p
Yootopia
11-12-2008, 22:17
Yootopia, You are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute. :p
If you've ever been to Preston, you will understand why people swear all the time. It's a pure shithole, nearly as bad as Blackpool.
JuNii
11-12-2008, 22:26
If you've ever been to Preston, you will understand why people swear all the time. It's a pure shithole, nearly as bad as Blackpool.

and the movie reference soars majestically away... :D
No Names Left Damn It
11-12-2008, 22:29
(the place is full of recent arrivals from places where they don't speak a word of English).

That goes for some of the long time inhabitants as well.
No Names Left Damn It
11-12-2008, 22:29
nearly as bad as Blackpool.

You really don't like Blackpool, do you?
Rapturits
11-12-2008, 22:30
A deliteful aspect of smoke and mirrors.
Rather than a divisive measure (oh say abortion issue or gays) to distract people from their troubles, let us have an issue that Really means nothing, for people to talk about. Thus making it easier to ignore issues such as unemployment or perhaps where all the council funds disapeared to.
Philosopy
11-12-2008, 22:33
I believe it's already an offence to swear at a police officer in Engerland(maybe the rest of Britain too). Section 4 of the Public Order Act comes to mind, that might be it.
*engages the wiki*
Hmm, not just the police.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_or_Provocation_of_Violence

Right Act, wrong section. You want s.5. And even that is unlikely to get you arrested simply for swearing at a police officer.
Brogavia
11-12-2008, 22:51
Fuck that shit.
Dimesa
11-12-2008, 23:12
Yawn @ nanny states.

(I mean seriously who's running parliament over there, Mary Poppins?)
Sarzonia
11-12-2008, 23:20
Wow, penalized swearing?!

Fuck that shit!

Watch a high profile city councilman get fined. Then watch that law get repealed faster than McCain conceded on Election Night.
Gerainia
11-12-2008, 23:22
It's just that the local council, if they hear you swearing enough, can hit you with an ASBO, which does have legal ramifications.


ASBOs are given by the courts, which are under national law.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
11-12-2008, 23:24
I wonder how long it will be before Preston introduces fines against appearing in public wearing upon one's head a silk hat which is shiny, luster and calculated to frighten timid people?
Holy Cheese and Shoes
11-12-2008, 23:26
and the movie reference soars majestically away... :D

He doesn't even know what the three shells are for....
Heikoku 2
11-12-2008, 23:32
So, will they replace it with "Betty Mardsen"?
Mad hatters in jeans
12-12-2008, 00:54
and the movie reference soars majestically away... :D

Ah demolition man, i loved that movie when i saw it, Stallone has a way with words. even if i can't understand a word he says.
still awesome.
Deepockentt
12-12-2008, 01:06
Far as I'm concerned, it's just a giant mess of non-sence.
You can't stop an entire town to stop Swearing.
O_o Honestly, that'd be like trying to make some people stop saying 'the' or 'or' or 'and'.
One way or another, people are gonna' do it.
Besides, what the hell is 'Anti-Social-Behavior'?
People walk up to others all the time and go 'What tha' fucks up?!', and that doesn't seem very Anti-Social.
:| Unless they get a ban on offensive swearing like, 'FUCKING FUCK YOU FUCKING FUCKITY FUCKER!', for example, I highly doubt the bill will last very long a'tall.
Maineiacs
12-12-2008, 01:15
Yootopia, You are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute. :p

and the movie reference soars majestically away... :D

He doesn't even know what the three shells are for....

Ah demolition man, i loved that movie when i saw it, Stallone has a way with words. even if i can't understand a word he says.
still awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mFuB0gsNAA&feature=related


I tried to find the scene where Stallone swears at the machine to get paper, but I couldn't find it.:(
Mad hatters in jeans
12-12-2008, 01:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mFuB0gsNAA&feature=related


I tried to find the scene where Stallone swears at the machine to get paper, but I couldn't find it.:(

ah no worries, i have the dvd anyway.:wink:
ah gone are the days of a simple shoot em up, good Vs bad, no nonsense no mind games just simple overmuscled men shooting a variety of assault weapons at each other...
no stupid endings,
no it's all a dream, no fuzzy drugs/alcohol/sex scenes to grab your attention, no overactive cameramen chasing after the actors (see Latest bond movie, or rather don't... i got a headache after watching that, the plot was fine, but the camera was always switching)
Grave_n_idle
12-12-2008, 01:36
From what I remember of Preston, I was lucky to find someone who could actually read, write, and speak English (the place is full of recent arrivals from places where they don't speak a word of English).

From what I remember of Preston, you're full of shit.
New Genoa
12-12-2008, 01:37
What a load of fucking horse shit.
Katganistan
12-12-2008, 01:38
We all know what's gonna happen, don't we?

People will use words like "Feck!", "Buttons!" and the like a lot more, and may even come up with a good few new ones.

Btw, is there a list of what words are swear-words, and what words are ok?
Yes, and then morons will try to legislate that too -- like the idiots who complained that Frak was clearly a swear word....

...I wish I were kidding....

yootopia, you are fined one credit for a violation of the verbal morality statute. :p
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THOSE THREE STUPID SHELLS!
Grave_n_idle
12-12-2008, 01:46
Yes, and then morons will try to legislate that too -- like the idiots who complained that Frak was clearly a swear word....


How can you use such language? This is a family site, gorram it.
New Limacon
12-12-2008, 01:58
We all know what's gonna happen, don't we?

People will use words like "Feck!", "Buttons!" and the like a lot more, and may even come up with a good few new ones.

Btw, is there a list of what words are swear-words, and what words are ok?
What I'd like to see is people begin using the names of council members in place of their regular swearing vocabulary.
In addition to being stupid, this law seems very unnecessary (as I understand it from the article). Most cities have rules about disturbing the peace. If someone was swearing loudly or evilly enough that they should be quieted, I'd think they could be stopped based on that.
Heikoku 2
12-12-2008, 02:10
Frak

Shit, you shouldn't such fucking language in this fucking family site! :p

(This is getting fucking old real fucking soon.)
Beth Gellert
12-12-2008, 02:46
Well, good fucking luck with that...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7774056.stm



I guess that they can also hit you with one of those anti-social behavior orders as well.

From what I remember of Preston, I was lucky to find someone who could actually read, write, and speak English (the place is full of recent arrivals from places where they don't speak a word of English).

How did I not find this thread before?

I'm from Preston.

On the one hand, I hate you.

...On the other hand... yeah.

Also I've been swearing a lot more than usual, of late. As have most of my mates.

Mostly, we're fucking pissed off to be an, '...And finally...' story on the news.
Beth Gellert
12-12-2008, 02:48
From what I remember of Preston, you're full of shit.

You're entirely right. There are a fair few South Asians who speak English better than most colonials I've known, and there are some East Asian students, because we have a university with tens of thousands of students.

So, like any English city, then.
Grave_n_idle
12-12-2008, 03:00
You're entirely right. There are a fair few South Asians who speak English better than most colonials I've known, and there are some East Asian students, because we have a university with tens of thousands of students.

So, like any English city, then.

It's just more of hotwife's usual racist bullshit. He's probably never been to Preston.
Beth Gellert
12-12-2008, 03:04
If you've ever been to Preston, you will understand why people swear all the time. It's a pure shithole, nearly as bad as Blackpool.

Saved by the fact that you've put us above Blackpool, which I can see from my window.

[Swears loudly at Blackpool]

That goes for some of the long time inhabitants as well.

You name vill alzo go on zi lizt!

Eh up, you haven't got one. Hrrm, crafty.
Beth Gellert
12-12-2008, 03:06
Yes, and then morons will try to legislate that too -- like the idiots who complained that Frak was clearly a swear word....

...I wish I were kidding....


Everyone knows that Frak is a platform-jumping yo-yo swinging caveman from the '80s.
JuNii
12-12-2008, 03:12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mFuB0gsNAA&feature=related


I tried to find the scene where Stallone swears at the machine to get paper, but I couldn't find it.:(
From IMDB...
John Spartan: [to machine on wall after finding out that they no longer use toilet paper] Thanks a lot you shit-brained, fuck-faced, ball breaking, duck fucking pain in the ass.
Moral Statute Machine: John Spartan, you are fined five credits for repeated violations of the verbal morality statute.
John Spartan: [grabbing the tickets] So much for the seashells. See you in a few minutes.
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THOSE THREE STUPID SHELLS!
Mellow greetings. What seems to be your boggle?
You are an incredibly sensitive person, who inspires joy-joy feelings in all those around you. :D
Forsakia
12-12-2008, 03:16
In a possibly unrelated fact of dubious fun levels. Preston is home to the oldest branch of Mormonism in the world.

To those trying to ban swearing, Belgium off.
Beth Gellert
12-12-2008, 03:18
In a possibly unrelated fact of dubious fun levels. Preston is home to the oldest branch of Mormonism in the world.

To those trying to ban swearing, Belgium off.

And the ruddy T-total movement.

We're an odd lot. If you're waving a red flag, you'll get votes, but we're also happy to show the world how to be reactionary and prudish. Weird, but true.
Conserative Morality
12-12-2008, 03:21
See? More proof that Britain has gone crazy. The first sign was Yootopia.:D

On a serious note, I hope this gets repealed soon.
Jeruselem
12-12-2008, 03:26
So what happens if a policeman swears at you?
Conserative Morality
12-12-2008, 03:26
So what happens if a policeman swears at you?

He must arrest himself obviously.:p
Kryozerkia
12-12-2008, 03:28
This is nothing more a heaping stinking pile of horse manure smeared on a mung tree; these darn dull-witted feeble-minded pencil pushers wouldn't know what the H. E. double-L hockey sticks know what freedom meant if it nibbled them on the tush. :D It'll die before it gets anywhere.
Beth Gellert
12-12-2008, 03:31
The police here are useless, anyway.

The only time I've had any contact with them in town centre was when my mate tried to kill himself and we forcibly stopped him. The police thought we were attacking him, so stopped. When they found out he was just suicidal... they left, without offering any help at all.

...so probably they're going to enforce this stupid new money-grabbing law with an iron fist.

They're going to be disappointed.


...I haven't got eighty quid to give 'em.
James_xenoland
12-12-2008, 04:36
I never liked Britain's war on "anti-social behaviour"... politically, it's very questionable (as in, what defines "anti-social behaviour" to begin with), and socially it would be joke if it wasn't so sad.
Worst idea ever.
Yeah, that and whether anybody should even have the right or power to "stop anti-social behaviour" to start with.
Ardchoille
12-12-2008, 04:50
So, will they replace it with "Betty Mardsen"?

In loving memory of Graham Chapman:

http://www.etailgifts.com/images/getoutofjailcc.jpg

Heikoku, you've earned it.

(No, it won't work, but it's the thought that counts. :D)
Beth Gellert
12-12-2008, 04:50
Yeah, that and whether anybody should even have the right or power to "stop anti-social behaviour" to start with.

Indeed. I shall be informing any interfering officers that, "this is how my friends and I socialise" and asking, "so which of the two of us is a Socialist?" and also running across Penwortham bridge and chucking the Vs over my shoulder as I go.

So far, though, people, no problems on this front. I've been into town a couple of times since it came in, and cursed myself fricking blue, and not seen a police officer. Even when they're around, they're on horses... and I know where the cobbled streets and low-arches are, so I'd like to see 'em follow without laming their steeds or losing their mounts.

As someone else said, this prrrrobably isn't going to come to much.
Saint Jade IV
12-12-2008, 09:52
I can see Australia being next on the list with a ridiculous law like this. After KRudd and his stupid sin tax on alcopops and his mandatory filter to protect the population from the big scary interwebs.
Yootopia
12-12-2008, 11:40
You really don't like Blackpool, do you?
There's nothing right with it.
Ifreann
12-12-2008, 11:49
Note the important part of that law: "with intent to cause that person to believe that immediate unlawful violence will be used against him"

Ergo... you can't (seriously) threaten to beat someone up.

Like I say, it's unenforcable really on a general level. I suspect they will just use it against those idiots who decided to hurl abuse at people at the top of their lungs.

Is it a good idea? No, but I seriously doubt it's the apocalypse people are portraying it as.

And this is just a local council and if they seriously tried to enforce it I imagine it would quickly get shut down. It's one of those wonderful intiatives to make x city a nicer place to live, without actually dealing with any of the underlying problems (and this being Preston, they're on a losing streak to begin with).
It's right up there with banning hoodies for improving a city.
Right Act, wrong section. You want s.5. And even that is unlikely to get you arrested simply for swearing at a police officer.
I was just going on a vague memory of one of those British versions of Cops. Something following Thames Valley cops around. IMS someone shouted.....something at some cops then got chucked in the back.
There's nothing right with it.

It has shiny lights, what's not to like?
Yootopia
12-12-2008, 11:54
It has shiny lights, what's not to like?
The smell, the people, the sheer run-down-ness of almost the entire city, the fact that it's not even that warm, that it rains all of the time and that the station is in an incredibly stupid place.
Rambhutan
12-12-2008, 12:02
There's nothing right with it.

Still it's not like it is Hull or something...

..oops, how embarassing

* backs away slowly*
Yootopia
12-12-2008, 12:04
Still it's not like it is Hull or something...
Having lived here for a few months now, I can catagorically state that it's much, much better than I thought it would be.
Ifreann
12-12-2008, 12:05
The smell, the people, the sheer run-down-ness of almost the entire city, the fact that it's not even that warm, that it rains all of the time and that the station is in an incredibly stupid place.

But....but....shiny lights!
Yootopia
12-12-2008, 12:08
But....but....shiny lights!
Buses have shiny lights but I still wouldn't jump under one. 'Nuff said :tongue:
West Zirconia
12-12-2008, 12:48
Preston's claim to fame, of course, is that Britain's first stretch of motorway was built to bypass it.

See, even in 1958 people couldn't bear to go near the place!


As an aside, given the considerable Indian and Pakistani minorities in Preston, will Hindi and Urdu swear-words be outlawed? I mean, I could get quite offended if some bloke swore at me in Urdu - well, if I spoke the language I could...
Forsakia
12-12-2008, 14:47
As an aside, given the considerable Indian and Pakistani minorities in Preston, will Hindi and Urdu swear-words be outlawed? I mean, I could get quite offended if some bloke swore at me in Urdu - well, if I spoke the language I could...

Perhaps it's a sneaky plan to persuade teenagers to become bilingual.
Risottia
12-12-2008, 15:58
Well, good fucking luck with that...


Well, Dio cane, this is a clear-cut case of discrimination against Italians, puttana Eva! Porco Dio, everyone knows we NEED to swear, porca Madonna!

:D

(really, 4 blasphemies in 2 sentences... I'm still under the average of an italian bar during a football match in TV)
Nanatsu no Tsuki
12-12-2008, 16:00
Cursing in Spanish gives so much character and force to indignation and to conversations. To ban it would take some of the spice and flavour of my langauge.

Puta Ostia!:D
Beth Gellert
12-12-2008, 16:24
The smell, the people, the sheer run-down-ness of almost the entire city, the fact that it's not even that warm, that it rains all of the time and that the station is in an incredibly stupid place.

Hey, hey! Come on, now!


...Blackpool is not a city!

:D

Preston's claim to fame, of course, is that Britain's first stretch of motorway was built to bypass it.

Harsh. We've also got the oldest league football ground in the world and the first ever football league champions, the bloke who started all this bloody Wallace and Gromit business (all right, I'm pretty sure he left), the second (or is it third, now?) largest bus station in Europe, err, one of the largest areas of unsupported roof in the world... continent... country... region, I forget, and, erm, Freddy Flintoff, and of course R2D2 lives here. Err, oh and (arguably) the last major battle on English soil. So there's that.

And now we've got this ban on swearing an pavement pizza!

...God, I want to go back to Melbourne.
Rambhutan
12-12-2008, 16:30
...God, I want to go back to Melbourne.

You are from Derbyshire?
Beth Gellert
12-12-2008, 16:48
Heh, oh yeah, forgot about that. Was most surprised to drive past it the other week. Hadn't previously known it existed.
The Dears
12-12-2008, 16:50
The law mentioned previously doesn't prohibit swearing, as I think someone pointed out.

Apart from the fact that it specifically deals with situations involving the threat of violence, how does one legally prove what is a swear word and what isn't? Does "bloody" count? And beyond that, and I didn't take the time to look at the other section of the act, so this might be wrong, but if it did ban any kind of swearing it would only be swearing AT someone, not swearing in general conversation (ie, for emphasis).

And how do you prove it? Are Preston's police armed with dictaphones?

:)
Longhaul
12-12-2008, 17:09
I don't know why so many of the commentators in this thread seem to have latched onto the idea of this being some kind of new legislation - unless it's just an excuse to shout about the OMGEVILNANNYSTATE!!1!, or something. All of the behaviours that are detailed on the poster shown in the article can already be considered illegal. Think of charges relating to littering, disorderly conduct, or affray, or any number of other 'catch-all' charges that are on the statute books in England. It's nothing new. The story itself is just a filler, just another 'and finally...' item to be tacked onto the end of an otherwise quiet local news broadcast.

There is no new legislation here, as far as I can see. All there is is a local authority initiative, taken in conjunction with the local police, to try and publicise some 'rules' for the behaviour they'd like to see in their town centre, which can already be enforced under existing legislation. That's why the news article linked in the OP had the word 'banned' in inverted commas, I guess.

I just don't see what everyone is getting so excited about.
Beth Gellert
12-12-2008, 17:14
Quiet! We need this!
Mad hatters in jeans
12-12-2008, 17:20
oh noes! littering! well there goes the neighbourhood.
honestly littering and swearing aren't vital assets to society, what's more important is getting people to speak to each other in their area. or at least getting involved in some sort of social activity.
Galloism
12-12-2008, 23:00
Cursing in Spanish gives so much character and force to indignation and to conversations. To ban it would take some of the spice and flavour of my langauge.

Puta Ostia!:D

Which begs the question - does this outlaw swearing in English, or in any language?
Tapao
12-12-2008, 23:05
If you've ever been to Preston, you will understand why people swear all the time. It's a pure shithole, nearly as bad as Blackpool.

As a resident of Preston I agree with this post.

And I will swear as much as I fucking like! :p
Flammable Ice
12-12-2008, 23:08
"Respect Our City" - I guess it's not a good time to tell them I'd never even heard of their city...
Vetalia
12-12-2008, 23:09
Fuck that. I would greatly enjoy going there and simultaneously smoking, drinking, and swearing profusely in the middle of town as a form of protest.
Philosopy
12-12-2008, 23:35
On a serious note, I hope this gets repealed soon.

How exactly do you repeal a poster?
Nanatsu no Tsuki
13-12-2008, 01:14
Which begs the question - does this outlaw swearing in English, or in any language?

It outlaws swearing in some English city.
Vampire Knight Zero
13-12-2008, 01:15
They can take this law and fuck off.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
13-12-2008, 01:16
They can take this law and fuck off.

Oooh baby! I love it when you talk so dirty!:fluffle:
Vampire Knight Zero
13-12-2008, 01:17
Oooh baby! I love it when you talk so dirty!:fluffle:

Nobody fucking bans me from swearing! This is shit! Piss off PC brigade! :D
Nanatsu no Tsuki
13-12-2008, 01:17
Nobody fucking bans me from swearing! This is shit! Piss off PC brigade! :D

The Brit is pissed!! FUCK YEAH!!!:D
Vampire Knight Zero
13-12-2008, 01:18
The Brit is pissed!! FUCK YEAH!!!:D

Angry brit on the loose! Out of the fucking way! :D
Nanatsu no Tsuki
13-12-2008, 01:20
Angry brit on the loose! Out of the fucking way! :D

Indeed, or he'll break your ****!

:eek:
That was too dirty.
Vampire Knight Zero
13-12-2008, 01:21
Indeed, or he'll break your ****!

:eek:
That was too dirty.

This thread is rated H for HOLY SHIT!
Nanatsu no Tsuki
13-12-2008, 01:22
This thread is rated H for HOLY SHIT!

Oh gods! Roflmfao!:D
Vampire Knight Zero
13-12-2008, 01:23
Oh gods! Roflmfao!:D

I bring joy into peoples lives... with filthy language. ;)
Nanatsu no Tsuki
13-12-2008, 01:24
I bring joy into peoples lives... with filthy language. ;)

Indeed you do.:D
Vampire Knight Zero
13-12-2008, 01:24
Indeed you do.:D

Indeed I fucking do. :D
Collectivity
13-12-2008, 04:55
Well, good fucking luck with that...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7774056.stm



I guess that they can also hit you with one of those anti-social behavior orders as well.

From what I remember of Preston, I was lucky to find someone who could actually read, write, and speak English (the place is full of recent arrivals from places where they don't speak a word of English).

Maybe banning gratuitous remarks about England's multicultural mix (expecially from visting Virginians) could be added to that Hotwife? :p
Philosopy
13-12-2008, 11:51
It outlaws swearing in some English city.

They can take this law and fuck off.

It doesn't outlaw anything. It's a poster that asks you not to swear.

The reference to the police in the OP is that they will enforce existing laws. These posters change nothing.
Risottia
13-12-2008, 14:24
Indeed I fucking do. :D

Do you do it while you fuck?:eek: Porca puttana Eva!