NationStates Jolt Archive

Global child porn network exposed (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7776692.stm)

Good riddance to bad rush as the old saying goes.

Now, this is kind of especially noteworthy since NSG recently had a thread debating Australia's Internet on whether or not it should be censored and/or monitored. Does this change or reinforce anyone's mind?

From the news, one would think that child porn is everywhere, and that your next door neighbor is making it.

From the news, one would think that child porn is everywhere, and that your next door neighbor is making it.

had a neighbor get arrested and spend a night in jail for taking a picture of his 3 year old in the bath. Charges were dropped the next day. sadly the world right now is so scared of anything that might be construed as child porn you have to prove your own innocence.

Also they mentioned them using p2p software. using p2p software to share illegal pictures makes on a child porn ring like using p2p soft ware to share music makes you a piracy ring.

had a neighbor get arrested and spend a night in jail for taking a picture of his 3 year old in the bath. Charges were dropped the next day. sadly the world right now is so scared of anything that might be construed as child porn you have to prove your own innocence.

Also they mentioned them using p2p software. using p2p software to share illegal pictures makes on a child porn ring like using p2p soft ware to share music makes you a piracy ring.

So... p2p... like for instance... AIM and MSN... wow

I have decided that there will be no pictures taken of my children (should I ever father any) before their 18th birthday. Just to be safe.

So... p2p... like for instance... AIM and MSN... wow

I have decided that there will be no pictures taken of my children (should I ever father any) before their 18th birthday. Just to be safe.

p2p is like limewire. your share files with people you don't know.

p2p is like limewire. your share files with people you don't know.

ah, I see. For the longest time most of my file-sharing was through IM services.

<snip>Now, this is kind of especially noteworthy since NSG recently had a thread debating Australia's Internet on whether or not it should be censored and/or monitored. Does this change or reinforce anyone's mind?

What they're proposing for Australia wouldn't monitor peer-to-peer filesharing. They're looking at ISP filtering similar to the Cleanfeed that British Telecom operates, with the difference that the Australian government wants to make it mandatory.

So this shouldn't affect that debate. They're two separate subjects. The Federal Police already monitor for child porn.

(I don't want to derail the discussion, but for anyone interested, this (http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/publications.nsf/0/7F8B9A55E2FC8932CA2575030083844A/$File/E%20Brief%20Internet%20Censorship.pdf) is one of the least partisan briefs I've read on it. It's a pdf file, and it's long.)

From the news, one would think that child porn is everywhere, and that your next door neighbor is making it.

Heh, I actually had a neighbor back in the good ol' days of the 90's who distributed child porn. I dunno if they made it or not, probably. I do remember there being a bust by the FBI, and the local police, and they ended up carrying out a ton of boxes from the house, all containing child porn.

Global child porn network exposed (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7776692.stm)

Good riddance to bad rush as the old saying goes.

Now, this is kind of especially noteworthy since NSG recently had a thread debating Australia's Internet on whether or not it should be censored and/or monitored. Does this change or reinforce anyone's mind?

:confused:Iirc, the thread was about a sentence that equated a cartoon depicting underage sex between cartoon characters to paedopornography. The relationship between the two issues seems quite faint to me.

Anyway, good riddance.

Heh, I actually had a neighbor back in the good ol' days of the 90's who distributed child porn. I dunno if they made it or not, probably. I do remember there being a bust by the FBI, and the local police, and they ended up carrying out a ton of boxes from the house, all containing child porn.

Wow. Crazy.

I just don't get it. Whats so bad about it? I mean I look at it all the time and it makes me laugh...

http://itcouldbenothing.com/fruitfly/images/stickporn2.gif

Whats so sick about that?

Global child porn network exposed (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7776692.stm)

Good riddance to bad rush as the old saying goes.

Now, this is kind of especially noteworthy since NSG recently had a thread debating Australia's Internet on whether or not it should be censored and/or monitored. Does this change or reinforce anyone's mind?

No it does not make me change my mind. As other people have said already this ring was done through p2p sharing something which the new filter will not have an impact on.

Another thing this filter is not only to block access to child porn what it will also block access to is sites that (amongst other topics) discuss euthanasia. Something which the government is against and so wants to pick and choose what information we can view.

Another thing that doesn't change my mind is that the government before the election made a big deal about improving our internet and increasing the quality, what this filter will do is slow down our internet speed putting us further behind the top countries.

I'm with Blouman on this. I don't want a "Nanny state" telling me what I can and can't watch. I'm an adult and I can make up my own mind.

I also think that the government's "Cure" may be worse than the disease. We don't want to live in a "1984" situation where the state constantly monitors us.

There is an argument that people who are addicted to viewing degrading images will become twisted but I would still argue for freedom to be a priority on the internet over public security. I'll even argue that viewing of offensive material sahould not be classed as a crime.
However some things should be a crime - distributing degrading material and spam among these. The former because we do need to do all we can to eliminate expoitative industries that cater to rape fantasies, child abuse and sadism. The latter because I don't want to increase my penis size or give my bank details to this philanthropic Nigerian company.

the real evil is repression of natural childhood sexuality. and seeing fanatacism against it again get its evil way only reinforces that feeling. just exactly the opposite of anything to reduce or chainge it.

Good riddance to bad rush as the old saying goes.

I believe you've got your quote a tad messed up.

"Good riddance to bad rubbish" is what you probably meant. :D

<snip>
I also think that the government's "Cure" may be worse than the disease. We don't want to live in a "1984" situation where the state constantly monitors us.<snip>


What they're proposing isn't constant monitoring by people, though. It's a program, with all the chances for mindlessness that entails. Presumably something less moronic than stopping us from reading about that naughty man Charles ****ens the English novelist, but open to idiocy, all the same, and at considerable cost, too.

The fact that international authorities have been able to bust this bunch shows that monitoring for specific purposes can be very efficient. I don't have problems with police using the net against crime. In most democratic societies, police work within a recognised system of legal oversight and there are legislative checks on misuse of police powers.

What I do have problems with is the apparent lack of anything in the Australian government's plan that would keep a watch on the watchers. I'm also edgy about the mindset it can create. There's an interesting article in The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200803/chinese-firewall?ca=LP6elVpNakpRUHe4ztt%2BOVjzjokGVAfcu%2B97%2BFHFYqw%3D) about the Chinese system, pointing out that it can be got round and trying to explain why it isn't.

Depending on how you look at it, the Chinese government’s attempt to rein in the Internet is crude and slapdash or ingenious and well crafted. When American technologists write about the control system, they tend to emphasize its limits. When Chinese citizens discuss it—at least with me—they tend to emphasize its strength. All of them are right, which makes the government’s approach to the Internet a nice proxy for its larger attempt to control people’s daily lives.

Seems to me the Australian government's setting itself up to make the same sort of mistake the music industry giants made.

Oh hey Kryozerkia! YOU GOT DA POWAHS! Congrats!

I believe you've got your quote a tad messed up.

"Good riddance to bad rubbish" is what you probably meant. :D

Either that, or he REALLY dislikes Moving Pictures.

On the topic at hand... everyone's already said it, but I'll say it again. The cops are doing a terrific job, well done them. The censorship filter will NOT do a terrific job, boo them. The filter won't stop this. Two separate areas of the internet.

Also, Ard, loved the brief from the NSW govt. Very informative.

<snip>
Also, Ard, loved the brief from the NSW govt. Very informative.

It's from the NSW Parliamentary Library researchers. Those guys take the term "public servant" very seriously. They're forever assembling facts -- quite annoying for some pollies, whoever's in government.

Yeah, Australians are screwed, we've established that already. Scribbles can be called child porn and get you thrown in prison. Nuff said.

p2p is like limewire. your share files with people you don't know.

And get a ridiculous amount of spyware and viruses.... (viri?)

had a neighbor get arrested and spend a night in jail for taking a picture of his 3 year old in the bath. Charges were dropped the next day. sadly the world right now is so scared of anything that might be construed as child porn you have to prove your own innocence.

Also they mentioned them using p2p software. using p2p software to share illegal pictures makes on a child porn ring like using p2p soft ware to share music makes you a piracy ring.

Who reported your neighbor to the police? He was taking pics of his kid. There are many pics of me when I was little girl, naked and in the tub, and my mum was never arrested and charged for child pornography. Gods!

I know one has to be on guard to prevent things like child pornography from happening, but to go to such an extent as what happened to your neighbor... People need to be more careful about accusing without proper knowledge or concrete suspicions.

I'm with Blouman on this. I don't want a "Nanny state" telling me what I can and can't watch. I'm an adult and I can make up my own mind.

*Check poster*
*Does not compute*
*Check poster again*

WTF? :D Why have you hacked into Collectivity's account? :tongue:

More from me to come later

Who reported your neighbor to the police? He was taking pics of his kid. There are many pics of me when I was little girl, naked and in the tub, and my mum was never arrested and charged for child pornography. Gods!

I know one has to be on guard to prevent things like child pornography from happening, but to go to such an extent as what happened to your neighbor... People need to be more careful about accusing without proper knowledge or concrete suspicions.

the guy at the photo shop turned him in. Originally that was the people who busted underage nude pics. unless of course you had a Polaroid or developed them yourself.

*Check poster*
*Does not compute*
*Check poster again*

WTF? :D Why have you hacked into Collectivity's account? :tongue:

More from me to come later

what does not compute he is obviously a pedophile. someone get his IP and forward it to the FBI.

Gigantic .rar of the seized materials posted across the internet in 3...2...1.

what does not compute he is obviously a pedophile. someone get his IP and forward it to the FBI.

That he agrees with me.

Who reported your neighbor to the police? He was taking pics of his kid. There are many pics of me when I was little girl, naked and in the tub, and my mum was never arrested and charged for child pornography. Gods!

I know one has to be on guard to prevent things like child pornography from happening, but to go to such an extent as what happened to your neighbor... People need to be more careful about accusing without proper knowledge or concrete suspicions.

There is a word for people who do shit like this. They are known as do-gooders, they see a picture of a kid in a bath and go OMG child porn let's report it to the police without thinking.

A similar thing happened to someone in my neighbourhood. The neighbours of these people heard a kid screaming and carrying on, and this was one of those kids that would chuck a fit if she didn't get her way. The neighbours reported child abuse and the kid was taken away. The parents got the kid back about a week later but it should never have happened in the first place.

Aussies can be prudish and Rudd is over-zealous in this regard. He described Bill Henson's pictures as "disgusting" - which I don't think they were.
Yes they were of naked children but I didn't find them disgusting. The human body is beautiful and he was doing some of those child models a great disservice - as one of the models did remonstrate with him. He was guilty of assuming that children can't have ideas for themselves and that they need to be protected. While one can agree with the later proposition, that kids should be protected from both harm and exploitation, to fan a hysterical backlash againt an atists who was not presenting them in an over-sexualised way was to be guilty of the sort of redneck populism that he liked condemning in the Liberal Party. In fact, I think that Howard may even have been more low-key on this than Rudd.
Some things annoy me about Kev 07. His prudishness is one of them. I had enough of Jo Bjelke Petersen being a bible basher from Qld so I don't need another one. (I do think that Rudd was greandstanding for the Church vote). And no, he has run out of chances with this silly internet censorship carry-on. He did not have a mandate to do this and I hope the Opposition blocks it in the Senate.

Aussies can be prudish and Rudd is over-zealous in this regard. He described Bill Henson's pictures as "disgusting" - which I don't think they were.

He was once again trying to win the polls and the news cycle. The media took this on and made it as child porn and tryed to rile up the masses. Rudd seeing this wanted to jump on board to see that he was doing something and on their side. This was one of the reasons why he decided to introduce the alco-pop tax.

(mmm, maybe this belongs in the australian government thread, if the mods think that is does then by all means shift it over to that thread)

Nah! I've finished my tirade. Back to the internet porn sting operation:
I feel sorry for the 72 year old retired QC they caught (without knowing much about the horrifying content od what he was watching.)
In a previous decade he would have just been dismissed as a "dirty old man" but now with "cookies" being deposited in the websites people visit, a great number of people who may be otherwise quite inoffensive can be dragged off and charged with "Thoughtcrime".
And the salacious media gutter-trawling can destroy people. Some people have suicided after being "outed". If people have gotten sick and twisted, how is an hysterical society going to help matters?

Nah! I've finished my tirade. Back to the internet porn sting operation:
I feel sorry for the 72 year old retired QC they caught (without knowing much about the horrifying content od what he was watching.)
In a previous decade he would have just been dismissed as a "dirty old man" but now with "cookies" being deposited in the websites people visit, a great number of people who may be otherwise quite inoffensive can be dragged off and charged with "Thoughtcrime".
And the salacious media gutter-trawling can destroy people. Some people have suicided after being "outed". If people have gotten sick and twisted, how is an hysterical society going to help matters?

I know it sounds awful to try and come to the defence of kiddie porn watchers' rights... but you may have a point here. This all comes down to whether the act of watching (and ONLY watching, not acting up) said material is enough to warrant the complete destruction of a dirty old man. I certainly couldn't decide whether he should be so publicly demonised and destroyed. One of the few times in my life I'm thankful for lawyers...