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http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=1032813

Through out the course of this coup it was reinforced in my mind that the Liberal Party of Canada, the alleged "natural ruling party" of my great nation, has absolutely no interest in the opinion of its constituents or the ideals of democracy. Instead of earning power, the fragmented left has decided to seize it, selling out their own parties ideals to remove the popularly elected government of this country.

In my opinion, this country is in serious need of reform in regards to government. We require an elected senate with legislative ability. While Canadians typically loathe our American brothers, I have to give my misguided friends to the south one nod. They have an excellent system of checks and balances at this time.

The Canadian Constitution, Bill of Rights and Supreme Court should not simply be guidelines that can be thrown to the wayside by a gang of left wing ideologues for the sake of political expedience.

Another realization I have come to is that the gun registry in this country has removed the ability for grass roots action to be taken against unpopular governments that take power unlawfully. Adolf Hitler introduced the first ever gun registry to prevent armed action to be taken against him after he had seized power until the end of Germany's economic crisis.

To draw a comparison, the Liberal Party of Canada introduced the gun registry and currently lead a Coalition that intends to seize power of our nation until the end of the economic crisis. The fact that my countrymen don't draw the comparison, at least in the left, shocks me.

Two thirds of Canadians do not support the Coalition. I am one of the majority who oppose this leftist coup detat. What are you?

So let me get this straight...

You think we need an armed uprising, and you apparently don't understand what 'coup d'etat' means...and you also erroneously refer to our Bill of Rights instead of Charter of Rights and Freedoms...let me guess, you're an Albertan?

I stopped reading when you talked about Canadians hating us and calling us misguided. Sorry, whenever anyone with a Westminster system critizes anything about American politics or systems, I tend to write you off.

Add to that you apperantly dont know what a "coup" is...

Besides, didnt Harper disolve your parliment?

So let me get this straight...

You think we need an armed uprising, and you apparently don't understand what 'coup d'etat' means...and you also erroneously refer to our Bill of Rights instead of Charter of Rights and Freedoms...let me guess, you're an Albertan?

Let me guess, you're Ontarian?

what does it mean to me?

that canada can be just as fucked up as the US.

what does it mean to me?

that canada can be just as fucked up as the US.

At least our president cant legally disolve congress.

Let me guess, you're Ontarian?
First Nations actually, living in Alberta...where I've been hearing this same ignorant drivel all week.

At least our president cant legally disolve congress.

And the plus side is that getting your President impeached takes more than a gaggle of maniacs getting together and talking to the Queen's representative.

I'm the typical apathetic Canadian...I'd like to see the coalition in though, I just don't like Harper that much.


Another realization I have come to is that the gun registry in this country has removed the ability for grass roots action to be taken against unpopular governments that take power unlawfully. Adolf Hitler introduced the first ever gun registry to prevent armed action to be taken against him after he had seized power until the end of Germany's economic crisis.

I lol'd at this...Stephane Dion is Adolf Hitler now?

First Nations actually, living in Alberta...where I've been hearing this same ignorant drivel all week.

If it is "ignorant drivel," then refute it, rather than insult it. Shouldn't be too hard, if it is as ignorant as you say.

'course, I don't much care about the political landscape anymore, all I know is I have a place in Vancouver to run to when shit hits the fan down here. <.<

First Nations actually, living in Alberta...where I've been hearing this same ignorant drivel all week.

Is Alberta likes the US's Mississippi?

I'm the typical apathetic Canadian...I'd like to see the coalition in though, I just don't like Harper that much.



I lol'd at this...Stephane Dion is Adolf Hitler now?

Godwin's Law aside, if comparisons can be made on principle, if not on severity, they should be made.

Is Alberta likes the US's Mississippi?

Sounds more like Alabama to me.

If it is "ignorant drivel," then refute it, rather than insult it. Shouldn't be too hard, if it is as ignorant as you say. Check my first post. I'm still waiting to hear his justification for the suggestion we need an armed uprising, and I addressed two other points he hasn't bothered to address.


Also, stay out if it, foreigner :P

First Nations actually, living in Alberta...where I've been hearing this same ignorant drivel all week.

Actually, I'm British Columbian. And I support my democratically elected leader. And when it comes to an election I'll be having many lulz when we secure the majority we should've gotten the first time. I thought that being a native you'd hold some bad blood for the Liberals, being as it has been that party for the last 148 years breaking every single treaty they've signed in regards to First Nations. During the Oka crisis, Jean Chretien ordered JTF in...the Canadian Forces were dispatched to the roadblock to settle the dispute. Doesn't that sound a little bit jackbooted to you?

This latest action only shows the voter, yet again, that fascist lean the Liberal Party of Canada has.

At least our president cant legally disolve congress.
*shudder* im grateful that bush didnt have that option.

Is Alberta likes the US's Mississippi? Alberta styles itself as Canada's Texas.

Godwin's Law aside, if comparisons can be made on principle, if not on severity, they should be made.

Canadian culture in regards to gun ownership is so fundamentally different than the gun culture in the US, I hestitate to even begin a comparison. A 'Canadian' should know better.

Is Alberta likes the US's Mississippi?

No they have oil, so Texas. :p

Alberta styles itself as Canada's Texas.

Just beaten to it....:(

Check my first post. I'm still waiting to hear his justification for the suggestion we need an armed uprising, and I addressed two other points he hasn't bothered to address.

Well, to be fair, I'm always of the opinion that an armed uprising or two is good for a country. ;)


Also, stay out if it, foreigner :P

You're my hat, I'll get in whatever I damn well please. ;)

Also, stay out if it, foreigner :P

Iz I allowed to contribute?

My hope is that Canada falls in to anarchy and that I can set up a fiefdom with US support to continue to get the oil out of Alberta.

Actually, I'm British Columbian. And I support my democratically elected leader. And when it comes to an election I'll be having many lulz when we secure the majority we should've gotten the first time. I thought that being a native you'd hold some bad blood for the Liberals, being as it has been that party for the last 148 years breaking every single treaty they've signed in regards to First Nations. During the Oka crisis, Jean Chretien ordered JTF in...the Canadian Forces were dispatched to the roadblock to settle the dispute. Doesn't that sound a little bit jackbooted to you?

This latest action only shows the voter, yet again, that fascist lean the Liberal Party of Canada has.

Hilarious. No Canadian political party has been a friend to us...I'm certainly not going to start licking the boots of the Conservatives.

You also fundamentally misaprehend our political system when you make statements like 'my democratically elected leader'. Canadians do not elect Prime Ministers.

Iz I allowed to contribute?

As if I actually have any power to shut you Merkins up.

This latest action only shows the voter, yet again, that fascist lean the Liberal Party of Canada has.

Just so you know, "fascist" is not a synonum for authoritarian.



You also fundamentally misaprehend our political system when you make statements like 'my democratically elected leader'. Canadians do not elect Prime Ministers.


Thats what I was thinking...

"Canada techincally has no democratically elected leader..."

As if I actually have any power to shut you Merkins up.

We're everywhere and in everything. You cannot avoid us.

My hope is that Canada falls in to anarchy and that I can set up a fiefdom with US support to continue to get the oil out of Alberta.

We'll turn our country into Somalia before we give Alberta.

This latest action only shows the voter, yet again, that fascist lean the Liberal Party of Canada has.

No. The Liberals aren't Fascists. Please don't Americanise Canadian politics and polarize our country.

Isn't it cute when Canada tries to imitate a real country by having some crisis or another? :p

My hope is that Canada falls in to anarchy and that I can set up a fiefdom with US support to continue to get the oil out of Alberta.

Yes but the US always keeps losing to the british whenever we invade Canada. Don't understand why or why we wanted Canada the last two times, or why we almost went to war over an pig for that matter. ;)


Seriously though, if the conservative party has the surport, they don't need to worry what the Liberal party does because the people would keep them in power. If they are worried, they must not have the surport they need to stay in power.

No. The Liberals aren't Fascists. Please don't Americanize Canadian politics and polarize our country.

I agree with almost everything you've said except it should be 'Americanise'.

:p

*shudder* im grateful that bush didnt have that option.

Since when has not having the power to do something stopped Bush.

I hear they decided to prorogue the government. Now, countries going pro-rogue happens everywhere, but usually they're not so open about it... :p

I agree with almost everything you've said except it should be 'Americanise'.

:p

Oh, don't be such a Spelling Fascist. :p

Oh, don't be such a Spelling Fascist. :p

Don't so easily slip into Americanisation.

Don't so easily slip into Americanisation.

Stop trying to instigate a coup d’état.

Stop trying to instigate a coup d’état.

Stop invading foreign countries.

Stop trying to instigate a coup d’état.

Yeah, we might have to have an armed revolution. It's all the rage in North America...we're like the odd man out.

So, come January, isn't the coalition just gonna try this again?

Yeah, we might have to have an armed revolution. It's all the rage in North America...we're like odd man out.

But u cnt bcuz teh ebil libruhls made it hardr to get teh gunz just likes Hitler!!111!

So, come January, isn't the coalition just gonna try this again?

Layton, Duceppe and Dion all said they were committed to a non-confidence vote regardless of what the budget looks like...but now Ignatieff (the barely Canadian)is leader of the Liberals....so far he's said he'd stay away from the coalition, but who knows?

Two thirds of Canadians do not support the Coalition. I am one of the majority who oppose this leftist coup detat. What are you?

And what of the two thirds of Canada that didn't vote for Harper?

Whether you like it or not, Harper is a bad prime minister, who hasn't a clue how to govern a minority Parliament correctly.

Whether or not the Conservatives survive this crisis is irrelevant, Harper's out one way or another.

Majority of Canadians who did not vote in Harper, do not enjoy his callus disregard for the rest of us, and certienly do not enjoy him attempting to take away the funding from parties who cannot survive without such a thing.

Harper is a dictator and a fool, I'll be pleased when he's gone.

We'll turn our country into Somalia before we give Alberta.

that's the thing i wont be taking ti from Canada. who ever becomes overlord of Canada I will still pay homage to. Just I will stabilize the area quickly with American support (oil there after all) and i will get to be the oil shiek of the north.

We'll turn our country into Somalia before we give Alberta.

Are you kidding? Last week I was all set to study constitutional law so I could find a way to kick them out of Confederation.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=1032813

Through out the course of this coup it was reinforced in my mind that the Liberal Party of Canada, the alleged "natural ruling party" of my great nation, has absolutely no interest in the opinion of its constituents or the ideals of democracy. Instead of earning power, the fragmented left has decided to seize it, selling out their own parties ideals to remove the popularly elected government of this country.

Oh dear, where shall we start. First off, 38% of the the voters chose the conservatives, and only 59% of eligible voters even bothered. I'm hesitant to call that anywhere near a majority of the population, though if it makes you feel good to do so, continue living in that dream world of yours.
Don't presume to talk about ideals of democracy when Stephen Harper forced forty-three confidence votes on issues that any sane leader would not make confidence based. He only did it to pass through legislation he wouldn't otherwise get passed and we both know it.

In my opinion, this country is in serious need of reform in regards to government. We require an elected senate with legislative ability. While Canadians typically loathe our American brothers, I have to give my misguided friends to the south one nod. They have an excellent system of checks and balances at this time.

Except that the system of checks and balances doesn't work in a parliamentary system that has a completely different system of governance, perhaps you'd like a nice book to teach you the difference between responsible government and the checks and balances system?

The Canadian Constitution, Bill of Rights and Supreme Court should not simply be guidelines that can be thrown to the wayside by a gang of left wing ideologues for the sake of political expedience.

Its called the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and the power to vote non-confidence is one of the most cherished of our political powers, considering that the majority of people, based on a majority of elected representatives, have NO confidence in the government to work. If you don't like it, then alter the constitution to eliminate confidence, just don't cry about it when you're back in the minority.

Another realization I have come to is that the gun registry in this country has removed the ability for grass roots action to be taken against unpopular governments that take power unlawfully. Adolf Hitler introduced the first ever gun registry to prevent armed action to be taken against him after he had seized power until the end of Germany's economic crisis.

So your solution to not getting your way is to kill the fools who dared oppose you? Now that's not remniscent of past dictatorships and revolutions at all. Not sure if Adolf Hitler is the person you want to model government on either...

To draw a comparison, the Liberal Party of Canada introduced the gun registry and currently lead a Coalition that intends to seize power of our nation until the end of the economic crisis. The fact that my countrymen don't draw the comparison, at least in the left, shocks me.

Once again, read the Constitution before you claim to actually know what's in it; confidence is a part of our unwritten constitution and is demanded in our system of government, take a political science class and find out!

Two thirds of Canadians do not support the Coalition. I am one of the majority who oppose this leftist coup detat. What are you?

I'm someone who believes that if our duly elected government of all 308 Members of Parliament wanted to get anything done, especially the 143 Conservative MPs, then they would have put forward ideas that actually help Canadians instead of sticking their heads in the sand and their middle fingers firmly raised up. Those 143 failed, and now they reap the consequences of failing to meet the expectations of Canadians who need help in this recession. Or do you think its in the best interests of Canadians to have every party except the CPC become bankrupt, essentially creating a single party system?

Sounds more like Alabama to me.

Alberta is the South of the North.

Sounds more like Alabama to me....I think I should be offended by this.

Either way, the ruling party in Canada won't be leading any unilateral invasions of foreign nations in breach of international law. So, it doesn't mean all to much to me.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=1032813

Through out the course of this coup it was reinforced in my mind that the Liberal Party of Canada, the alleged "natural ruling party" of my great nation, has absolutely no interest in the opinion of its constituents or the ideals of democracy. Instead of earning power, the fragmented left has decided to seize it, selling out their own parties ideals to remove the popularly elected government of this country.

In my opinion, this country is in serious need of reform in regards to government. We require an elected senate with legislative ability. While Canadians typically loathe our American brothers, I have to give my misguided friends to the south one nod. They have an excellent system of checks and balances at this time.

The Canadian Constitution, Bill of Rights and Supreme Court should not simply be guidelines that can be thrown to the wayside by a gang of left wing ideologues for the sake of political expedience.

Another realization I have come to is that the gun registry in this country has removed the ability for grass roots action to be taken against unpopular governments that take power unlawfully. Adolf Hitler introduced the first ever gun registry to prevent armed action to be taken against him after he had seized power until the end of Germany's economic crisis.

To draw a comparison, the Liberal Party of Canada introduced the gun registry and currently lead a Coalition that intends to seize power of our nation until the end of the economic crisis. The fact that my countrymen don't draw the comparison, at least in the left, shocks me.

Two thirds of Canadians do not support the Coalition. I am one of the majority who oppose this leftist coup detat. What are you?

You need some of that learning. Come back when you know what you're talking about. Firstly about the idea of commanding a majority under the Westminster model.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=1032813

Through out the course of this coup it was reinforced in my mind that the Liberal Party of Canada, the alleged "natural ruling party" of my great nation, has absolutely no interest in the opinion of its constituents or the ideals of democracy. Instead of earning power, the fragmented left has decided to seize it, selling out their own parties ideals to remove the popularly elected government of this country.

In my opinion, this country is in serious need of reform in regards to government. We require an elected senate with legislative ability. While Canadians typically loathe our American brothers, I have to give my misguided friends to the south one nod. They have an excellent system of checks and balances at this time.

The Canadian Constitution, Bill of Rights and Supreme Court should not simply be guidelines that can be thrown to the wayside by a gang of left wing ideologues for the sake of political expedience.

Another realization I have come to is that the gun registry in this country has removed the ability for grass roots action to be taken against unpopular governments that take power unlawfully. Adolf Hitler introduced the first ever gun registry to prevent armed action to be taken against him after he had seized power until the end of Germany's economic crisis.

To draw a comparison, the Liberal Party of Canada introduced the gun registry and currently lead a Coalition that intends to seize power of our nation until the end of the economic crisis. The fact that my countrymen don't draw the comparison, at least in the left, shocks me.

Two thirds of Canadians do not support the Coalition. I am one of the majority who oppose this leftist coup detat. What are you?

That you apparently don't understand Canadian government or how to interpret public polls makes me want to discount your opinion. Harper isn't "popularly elected," nor has the Canadian Prime Minister ever been.

I'm surprised, though, that people are attacking the use of "coup d'etat" to describe the crisis. The Economist used the same word.

That you apparently don't understand Canadian government or how to interpret public polls makes me want to discount your opinion. Harper isn't "popularly elected," nor has the Canadian Prime Minister ever been.

I'm surprised, though, that people are attacking the use of "coup d'etat" to describe the crisis. The Economist used the same word.

Then the Economist is silly, or at least sensationalist. Parties forming a coalition in order to take over from a minority government is worlds away from a coup d'etat.

Then the Economist is silly, or at least sensationalist. Parties forming a coalition in order to take over from a minority government is worlds away from a coup d'etat.

Uh, no. They used the word "coup" figuratively.

a temporary impotence do to bushism (which is just a marketing repackaging of trickledownism, who'se reality check is obscenely bouncing)

It means I can more easily infiltrate the border and get a fake SS #. Yay free health insurance and jobs in my field of study!

It means nothing, really. Canada is too far away from me to matter or affect me. *shrugs*

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=1032813

Through out the course of this coup it was reinforced in my mind that the Liberal Party of Canada, the alleged "natural ruling party" of my great nation, has absolutely no interest in the opinion of its constituents or the ideals of democracy. Instead of earning power, the fragmented left has decided to seize it, selling out their own parties ideals to remove the popularly elected government of this country.

In my opinion, this country is in serious need of reform in regards to government. We require an elected senate with legislative ability. While Canadians typically loathe our American brothers, I have to give my misguided friends to the south one nod. They have an excellent system of checks and balances at this time.

The Canadian Constitution, Bill of Rights and Supreme Court should not simply be guidelines that can be thrown to the wayside by a gang of left wing ideologues for the sake of political expedience.

Another realization I have come to is that the gun registry in this country has removed the ability for grass roots action to be taken against unpopular governments that take power unlawfully. Adolf Hitler introduced the first ever gun registry to prevent armed action to be taken against him after he had seized power until the end of Germany's economic crisis.

To draw a comparison, the Liberal Party of Canada introduced the gun registry and currently lead a Coalition that intends to seize power of our nation until the end of the economic crisis. The fact that my countrymen don't draw the comparison, at least in the left, shocks me.

Two thirds of Canadians do not support the Coalition. I am one of the majority who oppose this leftist coup detat. What are you?

Where do I even start? You're a comedy goldmine!

I'm terribly sorry that Canadian historical and political convention doesn't really include armed revolution as an acceptable means of replacing government. You know, that's why we have this whole 'Parliament' thing to resolve issues. And why we have these things called 'opposition parties'. And you know what? When the opposition outnumbers the government, it's certainly within our constitutional framework for them to try to run things instead. Advisable? I don't particularly think so, but it certainly isn't against the 'ideals' of the Liberals (who don't really have many) or the NDP (who love this shit.)

Under the Westminster system, if the opposition can force a vote of no confidence and can then demonstrate to the head of state (or her appointed representative) that they can command a majority in parliament, then the head of state can accept the new government without calling a new election. While a new election can certainly be held, even when there's been a recent election (see the two UK elections in 1974), it's by no means mandatory; there are many examples of parliamentary systems where the head of state allows several potential leaders the opportunity to show they enjoy the confidence of the (lower) house rather than dissolve parliament precipitously. In the current Canadian instance, the Governor General may freely choose from both options.

As each member of parliament is democratically elected, and holds a separate mandate from their constituency (or, in Canada, their riding), then the will of parliament as expressed through a vote of no confidence is entirely democratic. You can disagree with what the Liberals, NDP and BQ are doing on principle, but arguing that it's undemocratic shows an at best shallow understanding of the Westminster system (as others have indeed pointed out).

I'm more concerned that the putative replacement government would be supported by the Bloc, but without the Bloc actually joining the government. This has nothing to do with Quebecois separatism, but rather because I do think it does potentially breach the conventions of a Westminster system.

The Conservatives have the right to be asked to govern because they have the most seats in Parliament. If the Liberals and NDP have more seats together than the Conservatives, and wish to form a coalition, than they too have the right to be asked to govern. But if the Liberals and NDP have fewer seats together than the Conservatives, and are dependent on the support of a party that won't join the coalition... I think that's dodgier.

Incidentally, haven't the Liberals just increased their share of the vote in Quebec provincial elections? While recognising the unique local circumstances of that election, that does suggest they're not entirely a spent force.

My understanding of Parliamentary systems was that any group of parties could form a coalition, and if the coalition could get a majority of votes, they would run the government. I'm not sure why this is a big issue. Is it really that rare for the party that gets the most votes to be left out of the coalition?

It means nothing, really. Canada is too far away from me to matter or affect me. *shrugs*

You underestimate the vast power of the Canadian air force and it's ability to project power!


My god I broke out giggling just typing that.

It means nothing, really. Canada is too far away from me to matter or affect me. *shrugs*

I second this. I don't see a way it could affect Finland.

You underestimate the vast power of the Canadian air force and it's ability to project power!


My god I broke out giggling just typing that.

I did too reading it.:D

...And I support my democratically elected leader. And when it comes to an election I'll be having many lulz when we secure the majority we should've gotten the first time....
This latest action only shows the voter, yet again, that fascist lean the Liberal Party of Canada has.

The PM is not elected by the populace as has been pointed out.

The CPC will not get a majority without the Québec vote. Harper has already pissed off the Québecois enough to ensure that they won't vote for the CPC while he is in charge. Consequently, the CPC will not get a majority in the next election unless they switch leaders and them turn Harper into a scapegoat.

The Liberals are opportunists, not fascists.

We require an elected senate with legislative ability. ...

Another realization I have come to is that the gun registry in this country has removed the ability for grass roots action to be taken against unpopular governments that take power unlawfully. Adolf Hitler introduced the first ever gun registry to prevent armed action to be taken against him after he had seized power until the end of Germany's economic crisis.

To draw a comparison, the Liberal Party of Canada introduced the gun registry and currently lead a Coalition that intends to seize power of our nation until the end of the economic crisis. The fact that my countrymen don't draw the comparison, at least in the left, shocks me....

Harper's track record in terms of senate appointees indicates that he likes the current senate system just fine, despite his rhetoric. I suggest you judge politicians by what they do rather than by what they say.

As for the Liberal gun registry, you do remember that it didn't work and many guns did not get registered? Consequently, the ability of the Canadian citizenry to blow away their elected government has not been seriously compromised.

By the way, you should look up the history of gun control so you don't make idiotic claims about the Nazis. Here you go:

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcnazimyth.html

Gun control, the Law on Firearms and Ammunition, was introduced to Germany in 1928 under the Weimar regime (there was no Right to Arms in the Constitution of 1919) in large part to disarm the nascent private armies, e.g. the Nazi SA (aka "the brownshirts")..... Gun control was not initiated at the behest or on behalf of the Nazis - it was in fact designed to keep them, or others of the same ilk, from executing a revolution against the lawful government. In the strictest sense, the law succeeded - the Nazis did not stage an armed coup.

It doesn't look like anyone is going to get a majority government. Which appears to be the problem. Which would put us back in the same place.


I think all of the parties could benefit from this system if they just learn to work with one another. In reality we may have the best system in place for the Canadian people. Hopefully only the best policies and laws will come out of this although I must admit this is not what we have seen so far. I think the public should say face it your are not going to get a majority, deal with it, let's get back to work.

You are both right in a sense. The Prime Minister must get elected in his / her own riding but the party as whole chooses a leader. There have been times where the PM did not get elected in his / her own riding and they had to have special run off election.

I think all of the parties could benefit from this system if they just learn to work with one another. In reality we may have the best system in place for the Canadian people. Hopefully only the best policies and laws will come out of this although I must admit this is not what we have seen so far. I think the public should say face it your are not going to get a majority, deal with it, let's get back to work.

That's just it; The Liberals, NDP and Bloc hold a majority of the seats, received more than 60% of the vote and have some common ground and a willingness to collaborate on the issues. The Tories, on the other hand, have been more interested over the last couple of years in governing through threats and intimidation than building bridges with the other parties.

EDIT: Sorry, that excludes the 2007 budget, when the Tories bought Bloc support with a billion extra dollars for Quebec.

You have to be kind of pragmatic in a minority government. You can't get by trying force thing down the public throat. You have to negotiate to get things out. Qid Pro Quo and all that.

You have to be kind of pragmatic in a minority government. You can't get by trying force thing down the public throat. You have to negotiate to get things out. Qid Pro Quo and all that.

Or you can instruct your MPs to obstruct committees and declare a whole whack of confidence votes to browbeat a bankrupt opposition party into supporting your legislation for fear of an election, also known as "pulling a Harper".

Or you can instruct your MPs to obstruct committees and declare a whole whack of confidence votes to browbeat a bankrupt opposition party into supporting your legislation for fear of an election, also known as "pulling a Harper".

Well put I must say. Since he can't have his way he is going to force the election and be right back in the same place. We will have wasted all that time and money on an election that is not needed. The Conservatives ridings should just tell them to get back to work and stop whining.


As a side note i don't think there is another counrty in the world with such interesting politics. We have the Bloc that are separatists. In any other country the would jailed, shot, or hung. In Canada we make them into a political party. Now you are force to work with them to get your policies enacted.

We want separation! Oh and lower taxes...and new road...and better schools.

It's meaningless to me. I don't live in Canada.

Canada is having a political crisis? Aww isnt that cute. They try so hard to be like the US.

Well put and well informed also Kryozerkia. I actually read it before you deleted it.

Well put and well informed also Kryozerkia. I actually read it before you deleted it.

Thanks.

I deleted because I thought it would just get ignored like all my attempts at good posts do. :$

... We will have wasted all that time and money on an election that is not needed.

Another election wouldn't be a bad thing IMHO - it would be an expensive waste of time but It could be important. The Libs + the NDP could campaign on a Coalition platform from the beginning. That should put an end to any whining about stealing the election from the 'right' and voters would know what they were getting. And it's not exactly a risky move for the Libs or the NDP - if there were an election right now we would probably end up with very similar results to what we have now.

Another election wouldn't be a bad thing IMHO - it would be an expensive waste of time but It could be important. The Libs + the NDP could campaign on a Coalition platform from the beginning. That should put an end to any whining about stealing the election from the 'right' and voters would know what they were getting. And it's not exactly a risky move for the Libs or the NDP - if there were an election right now we would probably end up with very similar results to what we have now.

Except if they ran on a coalition platform, don't you think they'd agree to only run one candidate in a riding, to avoid vote-splitting, and heighten their chances as a coalition party, rather than as a coaltion of two parties? Ya dig? Maybe the Greens could get in on it too. Unite the left, etc.

...I think I should be offended by this.

Well, the Mises Institute is in Alabama, so you're not that bad, I guess.

Except if they ran on a coalition platform, don't you think they'd agree to only run one candidate in a riding, to avoid vote-splitting, and heighten their chances as a coalition party, rather than as a coaltion of two parties? Ya dig? Maybe the Greens could get in on it too. Unite the left, etc.

The Greens are actually quite right in the vast majority of their party policies. The only thing that they're left in is their environmental policies.

I don't know much about the current "political crisis" but I find it interesting that Godwin's Law showed itself before the end of the initial post.

So let me get this straight...

You think we need an armed uprising, and you apparently don't understand what 'coup d'etat' means...and you also erroneously refer to our Bill of Rights instead of Charter of Rights and Freedoms...let me guess, you're an Albertan?
I think that kind of approach might be a bit alienating towards Albertans who might happen to disagree with the thread starter...

I think that kind of approach might be a bit alienating towards Albertans who might happen to disagree with the thread starter...

I'm an Albertan who disagrees with the thread starter.

The Greens are actually quite right in the vast majority of their party policies. The only thing that they're left in is their environmental policies.
You think? I don't know much about the Green Party platform, but I noticed during the Leaders' Debate Jack Layton seemed rather similar to Elizabeth May, except that Elizabeth May seemed to be a bit more rational... and to think I chose NDP over Green over a few comments on Mrs. May's part like the "clearly an attempt by party leaders and media officials who are men to keep women out" one...

I'm an Albertan who disagrees with the thread starter.
So why did you associate being an Albertan with being misinformed?

Hey, now the canadians will know what we had to put up with for the past eight years!

Well, the Mises Institute is in Alabama, so you're not that bad, I guess.That's one of the best reasons to be derisive of Alabama. ;)

Hey, now the canadians will know what we had to put up with for the past eight years!

Which is what? Government incompetence? We've had that as long as we've been a nation.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=1032813

Through out the course of this coup it was reinforced in my mind that the Liberal Party of Canada, the alleged "natural ruling party" of my great nation, has absolutely no interest in the opinion of its constituents or the ideals of democracy. Instead of earning power, the fragmented left has decided to seize it, selling out their own parties ideals to remove the popularly elected government of this country.
I don't recall any country using the Westminster system of parliamentary democracy having a popularly elected government, and a minority government has even less of a claim to be a popularly elected government than most. And, I might add, should any government fail to retain the confidence of a majority in the House, as Harper went into Parliament knowing he would do, opposition parties have every right to be invited to form a government.

That is the how our (insofar as both the UK and Canada use the same system) government works.

In my opinion, this country is in serious need of reform in regards to government. We require an elected senate with legislative ability. While Canadians typically loathe our American brothers, I have to give my misguided friends to the south one nod. They have an excellent system of checks and balances at this time.
The Canadian Senate does not control the executive, so this is fairly irrelavent.

The Canadian Constitution, Bill of Rights and Supreme Court should not simply be guidelines that can be thrown to the wayside by a gang of left wing ideologues for the sake of political expedience.
Of course not. Luckily, this is not happening.

Another realization I have come to is that the gun registry in this country has removed the ability for grass roots action to be taken against unpopular governments that take power unlawfully. Adolf Hitler introduced the first ever gun registry to prevent armed action to be taken against him after he had seized power until the end of Germany's economic crisis.

To draw a comparison, the Liberal Party of Canada introduced the gun registry and currently lead a Coalition that intends to seize power of our nation until the end of the economic crisis. The fact that my countrymen don't draw the comparison, at least in the left, shocks me.
It doesn't shock me, as I know most Canadians don't wear tin foil helmets.

Two thirds of Canadians do not support the Coalition. I am one of the majority who oppose this leftist coup detat. What are you?
Harper should not have strode into Parliament with a 'rescue' plan he knew Parliament would reject, triggering this whole crisis. Opposition parties should have focused on trying to negociate a rescue plan that would get a Parliamentary majority rather than a power grab. All are at fault.