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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2008/12/08/obama-pledges-smoke-white-house/

Speaking as a smoker, I know what Obama means when he says he bums one once in a while, or he "cuts himself some slack".

I suppose that he'll join the rest of us at the smoking spot outside (I'm sure there's one at the White House), unless, since he's President, he can change the rules and allow smoking in the Oval Office.

After all, President is a high stress job, and I would cut him some slack.

For those of you who don't smoke, could you work with him in an Oval Office where he smoked inside? Would you cut him some slack, and put up with the second hand smoke?

For those of you who don't smoke, could you work with him in an Oval Office where he smoked inside? Would you cut him some slack, and put up with the second hand smoke?

I'd go find another job. I hate the smell of it, and I hate it even more when, after spending time in the company of smokers, I smell of it.

id be OK with the occasional cig. i wouldnt want to work in an office where everyone smoked constantly.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2008/12/08/obama-pledges-smoke-white-house/

Speaking as a smoker, I know what Obama means when he says he bums one once in a while, or he "cuts himself some slack".

I suppose that he'll join the rest of us at the smoking spot outside (I'm sure there's one at the White House), unless, since he's President, he can change the rules and allow smoking in the Oval Office.

After all, President is a high stress job, and I would cut him some slack.

For those of you who don't smoke, could you work with him in an Oval Office where he smoked inside? Would you cut him some slack, and put up with the second hand smoke?

I would be very ineffective at working when I'm not able to breathe well. Inside, I have a pronounced physical reaction to tobacco smoke in that I get an extremely uncomfortable throat and tons of nasal congestion and watery eyes. There are certain bars in Santa Cruz (most notably the Red Room) that ignore the public smoking ban, so I can't go to them really (not that I haven't tried).

So no, I'd not cut him some slack on that bit. Not that I'd be in a position to, anyway.

If he wants me (to work for him), he's gonna have to give it up.

Ciggies or me, Obama, mate.

Your choice.

EDIT: And that dog better not be the hairy type, either.

Nothing wrong with a bit of smoking. It's just some smoke. Sure it ain't healthy but so many things aren't healthy. I'd rather people stop fussing so much about trying to achieve the ultimate healthy body. A lot of people get so worked up about staying healthy, it's almost unhealthy!

BTW, I'm a non-smoker.

Honestly? No, I wouldn't work for him. I can't stand the smell of cigarettes.

Maybe we should think up alternate forms of stress relief. I use Unreal Tournament - blowing off the heads of bots does wonders.

As an added benefit, he can name the bots after people who are pissing him off!

I'd ask him to open the window while he smoked.

Guys, the president is the only person who actually works in the Oval Office.

I'd cut the man some slack, smoke away Mr. Obama.

Guys, the president is the only person who actually works in the Oval Office.
you mean its not full of cubicles?

maybe obama will change that. he has vowed to make gov't more efficient. no sense wasting all that space when it could have 3 or 4 roomy cubicles for cabinet members.

'If he wants to smoke, thats his business?'. Crazy libertarian bullshit. Just don't come crying to me when the aliens from the Constellation Draco who created cigarettes activate their power to control any smoker through their nicotine-based mind-control devices. Then again, I suppose its not like there's been any leader of a superpower over the past couple of centuries who hasn't been controlled by the reptoids or not been one themselves, so I doubt you'll notice any difference.

he can smoke outside like everyone else. or go to his living quarters of the white house.

the part that's meant for work is a federal office and governable under the same rules. Just because he is the president doesn't mean he gets to ignore the law, otherwise Nixon would likely been president until his death.

He can take his smoke outside like everyone else. It would be asocial to his successor to stink and brown up the oval office - he after all will only occupy it for a few years (months if the bookies are right).

The man's to be president of the united states. If he legitimately wanted ME to work for him, he could be doing lines off the tits of a Lebanese whore while smoking bacon, I'll deal.

The man's to be president of the united states. If he legitimately wanted ME to work for him, he could be doing lines off the tits of a Lebanese whore while smoking bacon, I'll deal.
no kidding! i could put up with almost anything for the job that would make my career.

and the lebanese whore story would make my book a best seller!

The man's to be president of the united states. If he legitimately wanted ME to work for him, he could be doing lines off the tits of a Lebanese whore while smoking bacon, I'll deal.

if that was going on i would secretly record it then sue the white house for providing environment for employment. Id then retire happily with millions and feel a little bad as impeachment would lead to massive republican victory in 4 years. but money helps me sleep at night.


However coke is a tab bit less intrusive then smoking.
Should I miss out on a white house internship because I am allergic to smoke. the Americans with disabilities act seems to say otherwise. the government has a duty to provide the most fair atmosphere for employment in this country (and by most accounts they do)

FDR smoked like a chimney, and as I recall he was pretty damn popular...I think I'll cut Obama some slack because for one he's the President and second it is his residence as well as workplace. Besides, he's in Washington DC. The air is foul enough as is so I don't think cigarette smoke will hurt anything else above and beyond the colossal air pollution already present.

I'd volunteer as his cigarette man. I keep'em, he asks for'em, I give'em to him. I will also fulfill the ceremonial role as master of light.

Although, I'd have to learn to blow a flying donkey instead... http://planetsmilies.net/smoking-smiley-5437.gif

In my opinion, if you want to work for him, you'll just have to put up with it. I doubt that he's the kind of guy to blow smoke in your face. It's rather that he'll take the opportunity of a small break to gather his thoughts or for a little small talk.

However coke is a tab bit less intrusive then smoking.
It's also somewhat more illegal.

I would "cut him some slack" insofar as I wouldn't think he was a bad person or anything.

I would not "cut him some slack" insofar as I would think it was particularly all right for him to smoke in a federal office building simply because he's the most important person in any federal office building. The President ought to follow the rules just like everyone else, and I suspect Obama is the sort who will do so.

The man's to be president of the united states. If he legitimately wanted ME to work for him, he could be doing lines off the tits of a Lebanese whore while smoking bacon, I'll deal.

Considering I like Lebanese women, breasts, and bacon, I think I would take this deal as well. :D

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2008/12/08/obama-pledges-smoke-white-house/

Speaking as a smoker, I know what Obama means when he says he bums one once in a while, or he "cuts himself some slack".

I suppose that he'll join the rest of us at the smoking spot outside (I'm sure there's one at the White House), unless, since he's President, he can change the rules and allow smoking in the Oval Office.

After all, President is a high stress job, and I would cut him some slack.

For those of you who don't smoke, could you work with him in an Oval Office where he smoked inside? Would you cut him some slack, and put up with the second hand smoke?

Depends. would Obama be a chain smoker? someone who is rarely, if ever, seen without a cig in his hand? would he mind NOT smoking when I'm in the room for prolong periods of time?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2008/12/08/obama-pledges-smoke-white-house/

Speaking as a smoker, I know what Obama means when he says he bums one once in a while, or he "cuts himself some slack".

I suppose that he'll join the rest of us at the smoking spot outside (I'm sure there's one at the White House), unless, since he's President, he can change the rules and allow smoking in the Oval Office.

After all, President is a high stress job, and I would cut him some slack.

For those of you who don't smoke, could you work with him in an Oval Office where he smoked inside? Would you cut him some slack, and put up with the second hand smoke?

I'm a Republican. I didn't vote for him and I don't support him, but if I worked in the Oval Office it wouldn't bug me if be lit up once in a while. Heck, seeing how stressed out that place makes people, I might join him now and then.

I would "cut him some slack" insofar as I wouldn't think he was a bad person or anything.

I would not "cut him some slack" insofar as I would think it was particularly all right for him to smoke in a federal office building simply because he's the most important person in any federal office building. The President ought to follow the rules just like everyone else, and I suspect Obama is the sort who will do so.

^This. If he really needs a smoke break, he can take it outside like everyone else.

The SS might not like it too much, though.

^This. If he really needs a smoke break, he can take it outside like everyone else.

The SS might not like it too much, though.

Ah, does the Secret Service's mission include protecting the president from his own self-destructive tendencies?

(I know what you mean, but the Oval Office opens into the Rose Garden.)

I figure Obama would make great fag talk so why not?

though if he is going outside I fully expect the worlds largest outdoor heater to be installed

Ah, does the Secret Service's mission include protecting the president from his own self-destructive tendencies?

(I know what you mean, but the Oval Office opens into the Rose Garden.)

hehe

If I were president (or anyone else protected by the SS), I think I'd get a real kick out of screwing with them. Thus, I find anything that might make their jobs a little harder funny.

It's a weird quirk. Luckily, I don't see myself ever being in that position.

i think he should smoke jed bartlet-style, bumming them off secret service agents outside.

The deal he made with Michelle in 2006 was "If you run for President, you have to quit smoking." He cuts them out or she cuts him off.

I'd say that any rule breakage there is less likely to be overlooked than him lighting one up in the Oval and breaking DC workplace rules. If there's anything more relaxing than a smoke, it's getting laid regularly.

FDR smoked like a chimney, and as I recall he was pretty damn popular...I think I'll cut Obama some slack because for one he's the President and second it is his residence as well as workplace. Besides, he's in Washington DC. The air is foul enough as is so I don't think cigarette smoke will hurt anything else above and beyond the colossal air pollution already present.

FDR was a different era. back when if you had a problem with smoke or ashes it was just your problem. Now we know that people have things like Asthma and allergies to the smoke and they have an equal right to work in the white house.

As for the its his residence argument the white house has rooms for work and rooms for residence. Staffers are not allowed into the residence with out an invite from the president or his family. anyone willingly going into the residence should know that those areas are his home and expect to play by his rules. Likewise of course he is expected to be a good host and make sure his guest are comfortable.


would you be so quick to cut Obama some slack if he was addicted to throwing asbestos duct around ? I mean both asbestos and cigarettes cause lung cancer. Everyone is entitled to the right of a cancer free work place. Especially when it is a work place as lucrative as the white house. This is before taking those with allergies and asthma into account.

i would think the oval office could afford a good enough air filtration system that this would not be a problem. considering how much certain government beaurocracies lavish on appearances, in context this seems like something i would consider in the small chainge department.

i mean a good enough air filtration system that someone sitting right across the desk from him wouldn't even receive any second hand smoke.

anyway, yah, i wouldn't tell him not to, but then again, i think he's a pretty responsible guy and all about the kind of example he wants to set, so i really don't think anyone is likely to have to. of course the impressions we get from people we don't know personally, especially those impressions large numbers of people aquire about someone in the public eye, are about totally unreliable, so that's all just guessing.

but anyway, something that could sit right there on the desk, or in it, that would suck all the smoke out of the air before it even got further away from him the the width of the desk and actually worked and worked very very well, i think the white house budget could probably spring for that.

just as a guess, if it had to be invented from scratch and they made the damd thing gold plated it would still cost less, even from your typical exploitive government contractor, then say, even one presidential limo, or even the harley's of the motorcade cops.

Ever thought that smoking hurts his wife and children assuming that he does smoke around them.

Ever thought that smoking hurts his wife and children assuming that he does smoke around them.
neither more nor less then the wives, husbands, children, assorted other humans and nonhumans shairing the housholds of smokers who are not elected leaders of major national governments.

no reason equally effective smoke removal systems to that which could be installed in the oval office couldn't, if neccessary, be installed in the living quarters as well. i rather suspect, there already is/are such rooms, areas, in the living quarters, and have been all along, from the very beggining of the development of such tecnologies.

i mean i have no proof of this, i'm only guessing, but it would seem a not entirely unreasonable thing TO guess.

FDR was a different era. back when if you had a problem with smoke or ashes it was just your problem. Now we know that people have things like Asthma and allergies to the smoke and they have an equal right to work in the white house.

I don't know, connections between smoking and diseases have been known for a while. Recall that during the 1950's cigarette companies

would you be so quick to cut Obama some slack if he was addicted to throwing asbestos duct around ? I mean both asbestos and cigarettes cause lung cancer. Everyone is entitled to the right of a cancer free work place. Especially when it is a work place as lucrative as the white house. This is before taking those with allergies and asthma into account.

Asbestos dust and cigarette smoke are nowhere near the same, not even close. The chance of being afflicted by cancer from a single exposure to inhaled asbestos fibers is far, far higher than any diseases caused by any level of exposure to passive smoke, or even active smoking.

That being said, it's just good form to take people's needs in to account. If he wants to smoke indoors, it's always a good idea to ask.

The chance of being afflicted by cancer from a single exposure to inhaled asbestos fibers is far, far higher than any diseases caused by any level of exposure to passive smoke, or even active smoking.

minor little detail: in the 1950s, and well into the 60s, schools were REQUIRED by law, in many parts of the u.s. to have fire retardant asbestose cealing tiles. several of us who grew up in that era and attended those schools, have yet to contract any form of cancer.

this is not to say aspestose dust isn't dangerous or undesirable, but treating it like higrade nuclear fuel, requiring removal only by specialists wearing space suits is a tiney bit over the top.

try to remember that these causalities, while real, ARE stistical in nature, and while they ARE high enough to be of legitimate major concern, the're not so high as to be linearly inevitable either.

yes it is the morally responsible thing to do to avoid putting anyone at any risk they do not volunteer, uncoerced by cercumstance, for, but not everyone who ever rode in a motor vehicule before the invention of seat belts died in an automobile accident either.

FDR was a different era. back when if you had a problem with smoke or ashes it was just your problem. Now we know that people have things like Asthma and allergies to the smoke and they have an equal right to work in the white house.

As for the its his residence argument the white house has rooms for work and rooms for residence. Staffers are not allowed into the residence with out an invite from the president or his family. anyone willingly going into the residence should know that those areas are his home and expect to play by his rules. Likewise of course he is expected to be a good host and make sure his guest are comfortable.


would you be so quick to cut Obama some slack if he was addicted to throwing asbestos duct around ? I mean both asbestos and cigarettes cause lung cancer. Everyone is entitled to the right of a cancer free work place. Especially when it is a work place as lucrative as the white house. This is before taking those with allergies and asthma into account.

:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Cameroi;14288026]minor little detail: in the 1950s, and well into the 60s, schools were REQUIRED by law, in many parts of the u.s. to have fire retardant asbestose cealing tiles. several of us who grew up in that era and attended those schools, have yet to contract any form of cancer./QUOTE]

That's because they fortunately didn't produce material quantities of asbestos dust. A significant amount of asbestos dust would be enough to bring in the respirator-clad guys to deal with it; small-scale exposure to asbestos fibers in the environment is pretty common even without any human presence, but if you've got a major leak of those fibers in an enclosed area, it's a huge deal.

Ironically enough, like plutonium, you can handle it safely but if you inhale enough of it...well, chances are you're pretty much screwed. It's a great insulator, though.

Honestly? No, I wouldn't work for him. I can't stand the smell of cigarettes.

Maybe we should think up alternate forms of stress relief. I use Unreal Tournament - blowing off the heads of bots does wonders.

As an added benefit, he can name the bots after people who are pissing him off!

Why do I get the impression that Obama would be a great FPS player?

D-D-D-Dominating!

i would think the oval office could afford a good enough air filtration system that this would not be a problem. considering how much certain government beaurocracies lavish on appearances, in context this seems like something i would consider in the small chainge department.

i mean a good enough air filtration system that someone sitting right across the desk from him wouldn't even receive any second hand smoke.

anyway, yah, i wouldn't tell him not to, but then again, i think he's a pretty responsible guy and all about the kind of example he wants to set, so i really don't think anyone is likely to have to. of course the impressions we get from people we don't know personally, especially those impressions large numbers of people aquire about someone in the public eye, are about totally unreliable, so that's all just guessing.
he does take me as a person with the common courtesy to ask. But that sort of is a problem. If your working for someone and he ask to smoke but you decline that can create an impression among employees that maybe you will miss out on chances to further your career.
Obama needs to step outside or step into a room that is a residence. This is what is required by the federal government(and by extension Obama the 20th of January) of its employees.


but anyway, something that could sit right there on the desk, or in it, that would suck all the smoke out of the air before it even got further away from him the the width of the desk and actually worked and worked very very well, i think the white house budget could probably spring for that.

just as a guess, if it had to be invented from scratch and they made the damd thing gold plated it would still cost less, even from your typical exploitive government contractor, then say, even one presidential limo, or even the harley's of the motorcade cops.
The limo and the Harley however are required. Current Law which Obama is supposed to enforce and lead by example does not allow smoking in federal office buildings. And further more does not allow the law to be violated because you buy an air filter for your office.

I'd go find another job. I hate the smell of it, and I hate it even more when, after spending time in the company of smokers, I smell of it.

Screw that, I'd go to the press. Or at least threaten to and get that promotion ;)



Although how I'd get a job in the White House is beyond me.

It is his home for the next four years. If he wants to smoke the occasional cigar or cigarette in his living quarters, why not? I'd avoid it in public areas where others may have to work with him, though.

It is his home for the next four years. If he wants to smoke the occasional cigar or cigarette in his living quarters, why not? I'd avoid it in public areas where others may have to work with him, though.

Isn't it a federal building too? I imagine his actual living quarters aren't, but the rest more than likely is. Won't really look good if the President is disregarding the law for his own comfort.




That and what Fris said about him not getting any.

It is his home for the next four years. If he wants to smoke the occasional cigar or cigarette in his living quarters, why not? I'd avoid it in public areas where others may have to work with him, though.

that's perfectly fine. they have the rooms dubbed residence and dubbed office pretty clearly separated.

FDR smoked like a chimney, and as I recall he was pretty damn popular...I think I'll cut Obama some slack because for one he's the President and second it is his residence as well as workplace. Besides, he's in Washington DC. The air is foul enough as is so I don't think cigarette smoke will hurt anything else above and beyond the colossal air pollution already present.

But that's just it, it is a workplace. Now if government laws prohibit smoking indoors at workplaces then no he shouldn't be allowed to regardless of his position in the government.

Another thing while it may be 'his' workplace, it is only in the sense that he is living there, it isn't his in the sense that he owns it. It still belongs to the US government and if they say that it is a smoke free zone then so be it, just like somebody else living in a rented property would not be allowed to smoke in a house where the owners ban smoking indoors.

minor little detail: in the 1950s, and well into the 60s, schools were REQUIRED by law, in many parts of the u.s. to have fire retardant asbestose cealing tiles. several of us who grew up in that era and attended those schools, have yet to contract any form of cancer.

this is not to say aspestose dust isn't dangerous or undesirable, but treating it like higrade nuclear fuel, requiring removal only by specialists wearing space suits is a tiney bit over the top.

try to remember that these causalities, while real, ARE stistical in nature, and while they ARE high enough to be of legitimate major concern, the're not so high as to be linearly inevitable either.

yes it is the morally responsible thing to do to avoid putting anyone at any risk they do not volunteer, uncoerced by cercumstance, for, but not everyone who ever rode in a motor vehicule before the invention of seat belts died in an automobile accident either.

Yes but how often were these tiles broken? While sealed they are pefectly harmless but if they were smashed up and the dust was flying in the air then their is a chance that you could develop lung cancer from it.

The deal he made with Michelle in 2006 was "If you run for President, you have to quit smoking." He cuts them out or she cuts him off.

I'd say that any rule breakage there is less likely to be overlooked than him lighting one up in the Oval and breaking DC workplace rules. If there's anything more relaxing than a smoke, it's getting laid regularly.
Damn, didn't know about that one.

Heck, I'd trade nicotine for nookie any day!

Yes but how often were these tiles broken? While sealed they are pefectly harmless but if they were smashed up and the dust was flying in the air then their is a chance that you could develop lung cancer from it.

there was a chance all along that some would, and statistically some did. Sealed? they weren't sealed at all, not by anything other then a rather thin coating of lead based white paint. they were also full of little holes drilled through them in the manufacturing proccess to make them accoustic, and the inside of those little holes weren't sealed by anything at all.

If he wants me (to work for him), he's gonna have to give it up.

Ciggies or me, Obama, mate.

Your choice.

EDIT: And that dog better not be the hairy type, either.

This really bothers me.

I have debilitating allergies. I've had major surgery. I've tried every damn drug. I had to give up my sporting career. My dust allergy is so chronic that every single day of my life I wake up barely able to breathe with a swollen face. I have to take antihistemines everyday to live. I have allergy shots every month (and it used to be every week). It makes my life extremely complicated. I can't just "stay over" at someone's house if I feel like it - unless they're willing to see me looking swollen and on the verge of tears, hear me blow my nose all morning then probably drive me to a chemist. I can't just go into Myer (a major department store that sells everything from perfume to clothing that somehow always seems to have dusty airconditioning) without my face going red and itchy. Every time I try on a dress, I look hideous because I'm bright red.

Every single day of my life I make sacrifices and I get over my problems. And my problems aren't even THAT bad. So, you know what? Your little issue with cigarettes bothers me.

If you had the oppertunity to work with one of the most potentially influential people of our time, you should do everything to keep that oppertunity. If it means sometimes putting up with a little irritating cigarette smoke (however I believe Obama would conduct himself professionally, so I imagine he'd be unlikely to smoke in meetings, and he's probably a mature adult who wouldn't smoke around those who it adversely affects either), then so be it. Suck it up, already, and get on with your job.

There will always be things that annoy you. There will always be things that make people feel a bit sick. Take salmon for example. I hate salmon. I hate everything about it. It makes me feel sick to my stomach. If I even see it or smell it, I want to vomit. If I taste it, I will vomit immediately. That's how much I hate salmon, okay? But, if someone wants to eat salmon when they've taken me out to dinner, I'm not a child. I'm not going to demand that it's either "me or the salmon". My mum and my boyfriend will sometimes avoid eating salmon around me out of courtesy, but they don't have to. And I'm not even allergic to salmon. I'm allergic to gluten. That doesn't mean I demand everyone around me doesn't eat gluten. I'm allergic to dust mites. What am I going to do? Demand everyone around me wash their clothes in 60 degree heat and cover their lounges with $500 dust sheets?


Seriously. Get. Over. It.

*sigh* Damn, I keep forgetting to green-measle my jokes. Here, retroactively: :D

Seriously, though, I don't know that I would swap my current state of balance with asthma for a chance to work with anyone, however influential, in any place that would set it off again.

I'm not as badly affected as you. When I was younger, I spent my share of time in the classic smoke-filled rooms to get good stories and beat off the asthma attacks with whatever was available, or hung on till they finished.

These days, though, I like breathing better than by-lines. When I'd never known any other way of living, it was easier to put up with it. But medications have improved to the extent where I can go months without problems, and once you've had that, it's hard to imagine going back.

I'm so sorry to hear you have such difficulties, Amor. Allergy is something that people often don't take seriously. Unless you're going blue around the mouth, even friends often expect you to treat it just like having a bad cold -- "Soldier on!" and all that. I really, really hope researchers do for you what they've done for asthmatics. It felt like being let off a chain.

So, okay, I'll compromise. If Obama will let me cyber-commute*, I'll fit him into my busy schedule and I'll even lie about where he's gone if he nips out for a quick puff. Love the smoker, hate the smoke. (Note green measle: :D)

*(and increase my broadband speed so I can stay where I am and still have instant messaging that actually is instant)

Seriously. Get. Over. It.

Good advice. You should try it some time. Just because you have severe allergies and would put up with the discomfort caused by them to work with Obama doesn't mean that everyone else should feel the same way.

So your allergies would require that people go to great expense and effort to accommodate you without any discomfort on your part. Fine. But it's a herculean leap to suggest that therefore people with asthma should put up with second hand smoke for the sake of a prestigious job. Asking a whole office to go gluten free =/= asking a whole office(in a federal building) to stop smoking.

Yes but how often were these tiles broken? While sealed they are pefectly harmless but if they were smashed up and the dust was flying in the air then their is a chance that you could develop lung cancer from it.

knowing kids and teenagers incidents of jumping up and hitting the tile as soon as you were tall enough to. throwing sharp/pointed objects(pen and pencils normally) into said tile with the intention of it sticking up there.

I would say the seal on a ceiling tile in a school of 2,400 was broken daily.
but for a safe bet lets just go with weekly.

I think every time Obama pulls out a cig, the SS should shout "Granade!" and throw themselves on it.

Good advice. You should try it some time. Just because you have severe allergies and would put up with the discomfort caused by them to work with Obama doesn't mean that everyone else should feel the same way.

So your allergies would require that people go to great expense and effort to accommodate you without any discomfort on your part. Fine. But it's a herculean leap to suggest that therefore people with asthma should put up with second hand smoke for the sake of a prestigious job. Asking a whole office to go gluten free =/= asking a whole office(in a federal building) to stop smoking.

If you would honestly turn down the greatest job you could ever potentially have because you are so offended by the thought that the President of the United States, whom you'll never be within 200 metres of, could potentially smoke, then you sir are an idiot.

Guys, before the insults start warming up, step back and think what you're arguing about: the imaginary reactions of two allergy- or asthma-ridden Australians to the incredibly unlikely offer of an indeterminate job with the not-yet-President of a foreign country who might or might not be a smoker by the time they started work.

It's just possible that this aspect of the subject does not cry out to be taken seriously. So don't, okay?

Aye let him have a cig - not exactly an easy job and all that.

If you would honestly turn down the greatest job you could ever potentially have because you are so offended by the thought that the President of the United States, whom you'll never be within 200 metres of, could potentially smoke, then you sir are an idiot.

The correct term in this instance is "patriot". Believing that the higher ups should have more rights than others/should be above the law is very un-American.

If you would honestly turn down the greatest job you could ever potentially have because you are so offended by the thought that the President of the United States, whom you'll never be within 200 metres of, could potentially smoke, then you sir are an idiot.

If I'm never going to be within 200 metres of the president then just how exactly is this the greatest job I could ever have? Being an office minion in the white house is a pretty small step above being one anywhere else.

If I'm never going to be within 200 metres of the president then just how exactly is this the greatest job I could ever have? Being an office minion in the white house is a pretty small step above being one anywhere else.

Technically yes, but "Worked in the White House" looks pretty good on your resume compared to "Worked at Generic Offices, Ltd."

It's his body. I don't care what he does with it so long as he does a good job Oval Officially.

Technically yes, but "Worked in the White House" looks pretty good on your resume compared to "Worked at Generic Offices, Ltd."

Depends what you actually did there, but you have a point.

Depends what you actually did there, but you have a point.

Did it help or hurt Monica?

Did it help or hurt Monica?

It might if she would ever stop going to school and get a job.
other then go from trying ti milk the publicity to some school in London.

in all fairness she hasn't really applied elsewhere. other then London school of economics. but really hurt fault for getting it on with the president(the prez's too).