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Barack Hussein Obama, Supreme Caliphate of the USA.

Mike Huckabee
with either Stephen Colbert or Chuck Norris as VP.

Barack Hussein Obama, Supreme Caliphate of the USA.

Allahu Akbar!

Obama is obviously the "most likely" at present since he's the only candidate that we can say with any certainty will even be running.

Allahu Akbar!
Hey, the blogosphere warned you guys, tough shit if you're too ignorant to head the warnings of a foam-mouthed stranger on the internet...

Most likely winner of 2012 presidential elections?
You Decide...
Gaaaaaaaaaa!

are you so hard up for election coverage that you want start this shit just when we're done with the 2008 elections? :headbang:

Obama will likely win 2012, and Palin has the best chance in 2016 (unless she wastes it by running in 2012).

Palpatine/Vader for 2012! Its the logical Choice for this situation....

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i300/morbiousfod/palpa_vader08.jpg

Gaaaaaaaaaa!

are you so hard up for election coverage that you want start this **** just when we're done with the 2008 elections? :headbang:

The GCC are fuming and would like a word.

Obama will likely win 2012, and Palin has the best chance in 2016 (unless she wastes it by running in 2012).
if she runs in '12 it lets us know that she is more interested in fame than in the presidency....

she'll run in '12

obama will be re-elected.

No. No no no no no.

No more election threads.

Die.

I think that it will be the Republican candidate who will win over Obama. Here is my reasoning:

I am of the view that Obama will end up being like Jimmy Carter. Let us not forget that during the summer, he said that the best way to save on fuel is to keep your tyres inflated - that would be like Jimmy Carter appearing on national television wearing a jersey (something the public never forgot). All these bailout packages with money springing from thin air means that double digit inflation is on the way back, and the public will not enjoy it either. Further to that, the public have huge expectations of the guy, and should he fail to deliver....

Need I say more?

Someone forgot to put Obama in the Poll...

Need I say more?

Yeah, something that you can actually back up.

The GCC are fuming and would like a word.

... just A word?

how about **********

or would they prefer *************? :tongue:

Someone forgot to put Obama in the Poll...

Oh, I think you might have to post his name, or just select the 'other' option.

Yeah, something that you can actually back up.

Psh...didnt i already tell you that was crazy?

... just A word?

how about **********

or would they preferre *************? :tongue:

OK. I'm sorry.

None of the above. What about that woman who came second to Nancy Pelosi?

Obama is "other"?

Wow. You're funny.

the person who will win the 2012 election is...
The one who recieves the most electorial votes
prove me wrong!

OK. I'm sorry.No need to apologize to me. after all, I could've altered your original post to read...

The GCC are f*****g and would like a word.
:D :D

No need to apologize to me. after all, I could've altered your original post to read... The GCC are f**king and would like a word.


:D :D

Haha! Uncanny!

By the way, you really don't need to put that "Galaxianda reports" nonsense at the beginning of all your posts. This forum is not in-character.

Ok.

By the way, you really don't need to put that "Galaxianda reports" nonsense at the beginning of all your posts. This forum is not in-character.


Are you suggesting people here have character?

I don't understand the people who are clamoring for a Palin '12 run. The fact is, an incumbent president has advantages, MAJOR advantages. It's actually a testimony to W's unpopularity when a sitting war time president running against a dull as dishwater senator nobody has ever heard of, from "blue as the deep deep ocean" Massachusetts only just BARELY manages to squeak out a win.

So any attempt to go up against Obama will be met with serious up hill fights, unless he turns out to really suck, much like Bush Sr. against Clinton (or Carter against Regan). So really there are two options. Either Obama turns out to be a good president, in which case he will crush Palin so hard she won't be able to wink out of one side of her face for months, or he'll be a shitty president, in which case every Republican that has ever even dreamed about being in the white house will start pouring out of the woodwork, creating a primary season that makes the Obama v. Clinton primary look like a formal tea party.

Moreover, while the right wing may be fawning over her, they forget that one of the things that cost McCain a lot of votes (I still don't think he would have won if he made a better pick, but I think it would have been closer) is that by and large, independants were utterly fucking terrified over the concept of President Palin, what makes them think that people will change perspective in four years?

Now, ok, MAYBE if Stevens had won, and Palin was able to parlay his removal from senate as a chance to move herself up to Senator, that might have worked, but he didn't. So her only prayer is to work hard as hell to not look like a political incompetent in a few years. The problem with that is, while she might be able to lessen her biggest criticism, she's going to face even more of an uphill battle than McCain did.

Why? Simple, because 2012 is not going to be 2008, and the slimy tactics Palin used won't work. It's not going to be Barack Obama, scary scary black man who we don't know anything about and who might take your paycheck, make us communist, and force us all to convert to Islam, so don't vote for this unknown, stick with what you know. It'll be against Barack Obama, President of the United States, who you do know, and have watched for four years. And that rhetoric won't work, and people won't buy "well, trust me, he'll do it THIS time".

And that rhetoric won't work, and people won't buy "well, trust me, he'll do it THIS time".

Why would they change? It's worked before and it will probably work again.

I don't understand the people who are clamoring for a Palin '12 run. The fact is, an incumbent president has advantages, MAJOR advantages. It's actually a testimony to W's unpopularity when a sitting war time president running against a dull as dishwater senator nobody has ever heard of, from "blue as the deep deep ocean" Massachusetts only just BARELY manages to squeak out a win.

So any attempt to go up against Obama will be met with serious up hill fights, unless he turns out to really suck, much like Bush Sr. against Clinton (or Carter against Regan). So really there are two options. Either Obama turns out to be a good president, in which case he will crush Palin so hard she won't be able to wink out of one side of her face for months, or he'll be a shitty president, in which case every Republican that has ever even dreamed about being in the white house will start pouring out of the woodwork, creating a primary season that makes the Obama v. Clinton primary look like a formal tea party.

Moreover, while the right wing may be fawning over her, they forget that one of the things that cost McCain a lot of votes (I still don't think he would have won if he made a better pick, but I think it would have been closer) is that by and large, independants were utterly fucking terrified over the concept of President Palin, what makes them think that people will change perspective in four years?

Now, ok, MAYBE if Stevens had won, and Palin was able to parlay his removal from senate as a chance to move herself up to Senator, that might have worked, but he didn't. So her only prayer is to work hard as hell to not look like a political incompetent in a few years. The problem with that is, while she might be able to lessen her biggest criticism, she's going to face even more of an uphill battle than McCain did.

Why? Simple, because 2012 is not going to be 2008, and the slimy tactics Palin used won't work. It's not going to be Barack Obama, scary scary black man who we don't know anything about and who might take your paycheck, make us communist, and force us all to convert to Islam, so don't vote for this unknown, stick with what you know. It'll be against Barack Obama, President of the United States, who you do know, and have watched for four years. And that rhetoric won't work, and people won't buy "well, trust me, he'll do it THIS time".



You ivy league eastern elitests and your logic. Why should we listen to what an intellectual has to say? Youre not even part of real America.

Oh fer chrissakes, we haven't even gotten to day one of THIS presidency yet.

Oh fer chrissakes, we haven't even gotten to day one of THIS presidency yet.

I guess the right is really eager for another beating. Gluttons for pain and all that.:p

I guess the right is really eager for another beating. Gluttons for pain and all that.:p

I do hear they have a really kinky side, lol

Yeah, something that you can actually back up.

it wouldn't really be predicting elections if the 2012 winner is sourced already now would it ?

Obama has a tough road ahead. if the economy doesn't improve he will likely lose.
also if he doesn't bail out the big 3 auto makers he will lose (unions dominate too many key democrat states.)

I think that it will be the Republican candidate who will win over Obama. Here is my reasoning:

I am of the view that Obama will end up being like Jimmy Carter. Let us not forget that during the summer, he said that the best way to save on fuel is to keep your tyres inflated - that would be like Jimmy Carter appearing on national television wearing a jersey (something the public never forgot). All these bailout packages with money springing from thin air means that double digit inflation is on the way back, and the public will not enjoy it either. Further to that, the public have huge expectations of the guy, and should he fail to deliver....

Need I say more?
And which president is approving these bailout packages?
And which president insisted it's not a recession until after his party lost?
And which president is connected with big oil?
And which president embroiled us in a two front war?

And the truth is, making sure your tires are properly inflated will help your fuel economy somewhat -- as will emptying your trunk, keeping your car's maintenance up, carpooling, buying smaller, more efficient cars and using public transport where necessary.

That, at least, is a stopgap until the alternatives, which have been stalled since the '70s when the first "fuel crisis" happened, are finally funded properly.

And which president is approving these bailout packages?
And which president insisted it's not a recession until after his party lost?
And which president is connected with big oil?
And which president embroiled us in a two front war?

Franklin Roosevelt? :p

And which president is approving these bailout packages?
And which president insisted it's not a recession until after his party lost?
And which president is connected with big oil?
And which president embroiled us in a two front war?

Eastern Elitest

I think that it will be the Republican candidate who will win over Obama. Here is my reasoning:

I am of the view that Obama will end up being like Jimmy Carter. Let us not forget that during the summer, he said that the best way to save on fuel is to keep your tyres inflated

Actually, no, he did not, but let me not act too surprised at attempts to revise history. What he ACTUALLY said, his exact quote, was:

"There are things you can do individually, though, to save energy. Making sure your tires are properly inflated – simple thing." Note the word "best" is not in there at all. He did however say that keeping your tires properly inflated is a simple thing we can do to reduce our energy consumption. And you know what?

The Bush Administration estimates that expanded offshore drilling could increase oil production by 200,000 bbl. per day by 2030. We use about 20 million bbl. per day, so that would meet about 1% of our demand two decades from now. Meanwhile, efficiency experts say that keeping tires inflated can improve gas mileage 3%, and regular maintenance can add another 4%. Many drivers already follow their advice, but if everyone did, we could immediately reduce demand several percentage points. In other words: Obama is right.

Source (http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1829354,00.html).

Oops. So much for that foolish, foolish Obama, saying correct things all the time.

Franklin Roosevelt? :p
Wow. Impressive for a guy who's been dead sixty-three years.

Wow. Impressive for a guy who's been dead sixty three years.

You think he is dead. There were never any photos of the body!

You think he is dead. There were never any photos of the body!

I agree. pix or it didn't happen.

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=6b948cc1e459bfb2&q=image+of+Franklin+Roosevelt+in+coffin&usg=__TTady4bFNSedSNzOJW4X5vxyIO4=&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dimage%2Bof%2BFranklin%2BRoosevelt%2Bin%2Bcoffin%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX&um=1

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=6b948cc1e459bfb2&q=image+of+Franklin+Roosevelt+in+coffin&usg=__TTady4bFNSedSNzOJW4X5vxyIO4=&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dimage%2Bof%2BFranklin%2BRoosevelt%2Bin%2Bcoffin%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX&um=1

Nope not good enough! We only see a coffin! How do we know he was in it?

Wow. Impressive for a guy who's been dead sixty-three years.

well, you know what they said. People can do anything if they really put their mind to it. :p

Wow. Impressive for a guy who's been dead sixty-three years.

he overcame being a wheel chair bound polio survivor to become president he can overcome being dead to be overlord of the world.

he overcame being a wheel chair bound polio survivor to become president he can overcome being dead to be overlord of the world.

*awaits Zombie Franklin Roosevelt pics to be posted.*

Don't forget this is about the upcoming elections, in 2012

Don't forget this is about the upcoming elections, in 2012

Its too early to take this thread very seriously

Its too early to take this thread very seriously

SAYS YOU!!! If you dont Vote For Haley Barbour, your a COMMUNIST!!! lol

Me. I will be elected in 2012. and counting all those other votes for me it appears i am a shoe in.

*awaits Zombie Franklin Roosevelt pics to be posted.*

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n146/fenderella/zombieFDR.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n146/fenderella/zombieFDR.jpg

Id totally vote for that....Like Lewis Black Said...Its time for a Dead President..lol

Haley Barbour
I must admit that I Googled this name, expecting to see a hot woman.

Oh NSG, why must you crush my dreams?

I must admit that I Googled this name, expecting to see a hot woman.

Oh NSG, why must you crush my dreams?

lmao...The only reason I picked/post about him was that he was Governor of my state, lol...

He'd never get nominated much less win...

The Mayans.

I think that it will be the Republican candidate who will win over Obama. Here is my reasoning:

[QUOTE]I am of the view that Obama will end up being like Jimmy Carter. Let us not forget that during the summer, he said that the best way to save on fuel is to keep your tyres inflated - that would be like Jimmy Carter appearing on national television wearing a jersey (something the public never forgot). All these bailout packages with money springing from thin air means that double digit inflation is on the way back, and the public will not enjoy it either. Further to that, the public have huge expectations of the guy, and should he fail to deliver....

Need I say more?

While I agree with the high expectations part, and don't know either way about how the bailouts will turn out, the first part reeks of solid Repbulican bull.

Anyone with a brain can figure out that Obama was suggesting a way that individuals could save on fuel, and its a valid way to do so. The Republicans then tried to pretend that that was Obama's entire energy policy to show how inexperienced and substanceless he was or some such (while simultaneously being an Al Quaida agent). While I don't have the exact quote on hand (and I'd love it if you provided it), it was probably just an ordinary, off-hand comment about how individuals could personally save fuel, and I'm not sure how it reflects negatively on Obama. When that's the kind of garbage your campaiang is relying on, its a pretty clear sign that your political movement is dead in the water.

Also, that comment didn't stop him getting elected the first time.;)

I will.

Obama is a terrorist Commie-Nazi in disguise, there won't be another election. he's gonna end democracy, yada yada yada....

or maybe Nader...

Ted Nugent. No question

Chuck Norris' beard.

You Decide...

the coreys.......

http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/artman2/uploads/1/coreys.jpg

the person who will win the 2012 election is...
The one who recieves the most electorial votes
prove me wrong!

1824.

Candlejack 2012: What can go wro...

*awaits Zombie Franklin Roosevelt pics to be posted.*

Been done.

FDR's remains to run for 5th term

Candlejack 2012: What can go wro...

Don't be silly, Candlejack isn't even re

Remember two years ago when everyone was so sure it was going to be Guiliani vs. Clinton?

And that's when we had announced candidates and everything.

Obama hasn't even taken office yet, hell, the make up of congress hasn't even been finalized yet.

Remember two years ago when everyone was so sure it was going to be Guiliani vs. Clinton?

And that's when we had announced candidates and everything.

Obama hasn't even taken office yet, hell, the make up of congress hasn't even been finalized yet.


I remember the whole Rice vs. Clinton thing as well......

Wow. Impressive for a guy who's been dead sixty-three years.

I don't know. Richard Nixon was killed on five separate occasions, and always seemed to come back to run again.
This actually leads into the man I think will win in 2012: Richard Nixon.

I don't know. Richard Nixon was killed on five separate occasions, and always seemed to come back to run again.
This actually leads into the man I think will win in 2012: Richard Nixon.

Nixon would policy wise be a good president. just what he does with the slush fund to opposition parties would have me worried.

Palpatine/Vader for 2012! Its the logical Choice for this situation....

Im sorry, but they already ran a long time ago in a galexy far....far away. :p

No. No no no no no.

No more election threads.

Die.

Yes, the logic, No more election threads....lets get through this president first before talking about another election.

You ivy league eastern elitests and your logic. Why should we listen to what an intellectual has to say? Youre not even part of real America.

:)

Oh fer chrissakes, we haven't even gotten to day one of THIS presidency yet.

Yay! I love how people keep ignoring this fact. Half the people are claming its the best presidency, the other half are claming its the worst.

Palin won't run, ever again, for anything.

This thread needs to be die.

No. No no no no no.

No more election threads.

Die.

QFT

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd31/Stormcrow190/picardssdd.jpg

Why are we talking about this already? 4 years people, I know some of you are going through withdrawal right now but please stop.

im so glad i didnt come back here until after the election was over....

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n146/fenderella/zombieFDR.jpg

Photoshopped! His corpse would be more decomposed than that!

I voted for Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin on the Public Poll. Ill add former popular Republican Governor of Florida Sen Jeb Bush. lol, Viva President Jeb Bush 2012. I would support any of them for President and or Vice President in 2012.

Well, the incumbent is nearly always the favorite in U.S. politics, so it's Obama's race to lose, all other things being equal. When I took civics in high school, our text gave the rate of retention for the Senate at something like 94%. The GOP should have an edge in the midterms, but even if Obama can't live up to his hagiography, he'll really only need to avoid a scandal or catastrophe during his first term to glide in in '12.

look for Palin/Joe the Plumber 2012....

I'm shocked Mike Huckabee has only 4 votes! Barack Obama is obviously most likely, but it all depends on how his presidency goes.

I think he'll fail as a president and will be voted out in 2012 to Mike Huckabee. Huckabee has 2 television shows and a radio station devoted to him! It's obvious he's becoming popular to run in '12! And, frankly, it's been working...

Charlie Crist will probably run, but he's not such a huge hit here in Florida. I really think it'll come down to Obama/Huckabee and, depending solely on Obama's success, Huckabee will be elected.

I'm shocked Mike Huckabee has only 4 votes! Barack Obama is obviously most likely, but it all depends on how his presidency goes.

I think he'll fail as a president and will be voted out in 2012 to Mike Huckabee. Huckabee has 2 television shows and a radio station devoted to him! It's obvious he's becoming popular to run in '12! And, frankly, it's been working...

Charlie Crist will probably run, but he's not such a huge hit here in Florida. I really think it'll come down to Obama/Huckabee and, depending solely on Obama's success, Huckabee will be elected.

Huckabee's appeal in '08 was more-or-less limited to evangelical Christians and other types of social conservatives, even if he did attract younger-than-usual evangelicals and social conservatives - an admirable feat. Those limitations weren't much of a hindrance in the primaries, but he never had a chance in the general election, and his fundraising was lackluster at best. He's an affable guy, and maybe he'll gain enough name recognition on Fox to be a viable candidate as a senator or cabinetmember in the next Republican White House, but he'd have to reconstruct his image from the ground up to become president - possible, of course, but not likely.

Barack Hussein Obama, Supreme Caliphate of the USA.

Obama, Inshallah! :D

this is who i am voting for in 2012...

http://www.postchronicle.com/images/articles/groping-clinton_001.jpg

this is who i am voting for in 2012...

http://www.postchronicle.com/images/articles/groping-clinton_001.jpg

A cardboard Hildog? :tongue:

A cardboard Hildog? :tongue:

is the really any difference from a cardboard one and the real one?

is the really any difference from a cardboard one and the real one?

The cardboard one is more fun at parties? Dunno. :tongue:

The cardboard one is more fun at parties? Dunno. :tongue:

the cardboard one doesnt say no to bill....

Ron Paul and Neal Boortz '12!

http://g.virbcdn.com/cdnImages/crop_200x200/Image-5246-7060-cthulu08.gif

Cthulhu for President!
Why settle for the lesser evil?

But seriously, FOR GOD'S SAKE, WHY THE %#@#%??? OBAMA ISN'T EVEN SWORN IN FOR HIS FIRST TERM! BY ALL THAT IS HOLY, PLEASE NO MORE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS CRAP FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS!!!

But seriously, FOR GOD'S SAKE, WHY THE %#@#%??? OBAMA ISN'T EVEN SWORN IN FOR HIS FIRST TERM! BY ALL THAT IS HOLY, PLEASE NO MORE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS CRAP FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS!!!

Seconded.

Nope not good enough! We only see a coffin! How do we know he was in it?
He was in it. There was just some shame since his postmortem tumescence hadn't apparently diminished yet.
At least, someone hadn't yet attached a small American flag to it yet, and that seemed kinda unbecoming.

And which president is approving these bailout packages?
And which president insisted it's not a recession until after his party lost?
And which president is connected with big oil?
And which president embroiled us in a two front war?

So?

Which president started the deficit spending of the 1970s? Nixon
Which president was in office when the economy started faltering in the 1970s? Nixon
Which president was in office when the energy crisis of the 1970s began? Nixon

And guess what? Carter got blamed for the lot. It doesn't matter if it was your fault or not, it comes down to a simple sentence

"Are you better off now than you were four years ago?"

If the bailout packages don't work, people will blame Obama, even if it isn't his fault.

And the truth is, making sure your tires are properly inflated will help your fuel economy somewhat -- as will emptying your trunk, keeping your car's maintenance up, carpooling, buying smaller, more efficient cars and using public transport where necessary.

So? It is perception that counts; it didn't matter that Carter was doing a good thing by appearing on national television with a jersey on - what it did was make him look like a baffoon. Simple things don't win votes.

That, at least, is a stopgap until the alternatives, which have been stalled since the '70s when the first "fuel crisis" happened, are finally funded properly.

That is what could be a vote winner, not commenting on keeping your tyres inflated, or wearing jerseys.

Actually, no, he did not, but let me not act too surprised at attempts to revise history. What he ACTUALLY said, his exact quote, was:

"There are things you can do individually, though, to save energy. Making sure your tires are properly inflated – simple thing." Note the word "best" is not in there at all. He did however say that keeping your tires properly inflated is a simple thing we can do to reduce our energy consumption. And you know what?

Oops. So much for that foolish, foolish Obama, saying correct things all the time.

In terms of your final comment Neo Art - so what? Carter said correct things too, he talked about carpooling, public transportation, obeying the speed limit, et cetera, yet he looked like a baffoon as a result, and that meant he lost in 1980.

Also, even if I accidentally misquoted, the point is still the same. Talking about keeping your tyres inflated is like appearing in front of television wearing a jersey.

I don't know. Richard Nixon was killed on five separate occasions, and always seemed to come back to run again.
This actually leads into the man I think will win in 2012: Richard Nixon.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/JamesTWolfwood/robotnixon.gif
http://www.xequae.com/files/images/Nixon_Bender.jpg
Lookin' like that, he got into my panties. 'Nuff said.

Palin won't run, ever again, for anything.
http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/rockytalklive/archives/2008/11/palin_gods_will_could_lead_her.html
I believe God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job.
... pattern ...?

I voted for Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin on the Public Poll. Ill add former popular Republican Governor of Florida Sen Jeb Bush. lol, Viva President Jeb Bush 2012. I would support any of them for President and or Vice President in 2012.Keep the Constitution in mind and spirit, and thank your god the U.S. isn't a fucking theocracy.
As the button clearly dictates, "If you want a country run on religious principles, try Iran."

Joe the Plumber 2012....Yet another in a long series of successful republican lies/fronts.
http://www.zombiepresidents.com/geargraphics/Reagshirt01.gif

Originally Posted by Miami Shores View Post
I voted for Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin on the Public Poll. Ill add former popular Republican Governor of Florida Sen Jeb Bush. lol, Viva President Jeb Bush 2012. I would support any of them for President and or Vice President in 2012.Keep the Constitution in mind and spirit, and thank your god the U.S. isn't a fucking theocracy.
As the button clearly dictates, "If you want a country run on religious principles, try Iran."

1989 to 1993 President George H W Bush
1993 to 2001 President Bill Clinton
2001 to 2009 President George W Bush
2009 to 2013 President Barack Obama, oh well will win next time, or next time eventually.
2012 to 2021 President Jeb Bush. Barbara Bush did say Jeb is the smart one.

and what about a President Hillary Clinton who knows maybe 2012, 2016.

The point is GHWB, GWB, JB, BC, HC, BO are all individual persons. As long as you elect them democratically in a multi political party democracy and they leave when their term expires no problem.

1989 to 1993 President George H W Bush
1993 to 2001 President Bill Clinton
2001 to 2009 President George W Bush
2009 to 2013 President Barack Obama, oh well will win next time, or next time eventually.
2012 to 2020 President Jeb Bush. Barbara Bush did say Jeb is the smart one.

and what about a President Hillary Clinton who knows maybe 2012, 2016.

The point is GHWB, GWB, JB, BC, HC, BO are all individual persons. As long as you elect them democratically in a multi political party democracy and they leave when their term expires no problem.Question for you ... have you been around for the arguments here about how democratic the United States is, what with electoral college, and a "democratic republic" and all that?

Question for you ... have you been around for the arguments here about how democratic the United States is, what with electoral college, and a "democratic republic" and all that?

The United States is a multi political democratic nation. The Democratic Party, The Republican Party, The Libertarian Party, Green, Socialists and Communist partys are on the ballot and persons voted for them in this election.

If more persons would have voted for the Libertarian candidate for exsample he would have won. Many persons on this forum kept calling President George W Bush a dictator. I told them no you guys dont know what a real dictator is. A dictator President George W Bush would not allow his Republican Party to loose mid term elections, and the Presidency. President Barack Obama whom I do not support but at least he has been democratically elected President is the President and will leave office when his term or terms expire.

As far as the electoral college you and I know the history as to why. A balance compromise between small and large US States at the time who probably considered themselves more indepent states then part of the USA.

That its probably out-moded and should be abolished or reformed thats up to the voters and constitutional procedures. Perhaps one day it will be changed.

The United States is a multi political democratic nation. The Democratic Party, The Republican Party, The Libertarian Party, Green, Socialists and Communist partys are on the ballot and persons voted for them in this election.

If more persons would have voted for the Libertarian candidate for exsample he would have won. Many persons on this forum kept calling President George W Bush a dictator. I told them no you guys dont know what a real dictator is. A dictator President George W Bush would not allow his Republican Party to loose mid term elections, and the Presidency. President Barack Obama whom I do not support but at least he has been democratically elected President is the President and will leave office when his term or terms expire.

As far as the electoral college you and I know the history as to why. A balance compromise between small and large US States at the time who probably considered themselves more indepent states then part of the USA.

That its probably out-moded and should be abolished or reformed thats up to the voters and constitutional procedures. Perhaps one day it will be changed.Fair enough. I just wanted to know the timbre of your approach there.

Just a quick note, but on November 6th, 2012, the election night, the poll closes and you can have fun on the reply part.

For all we know, by 2012 Nationstates may have become the de facto United Nations in the wake of an apocalyptic nuclear exchange that crippled the world's infrastructure. From the electronics-strewn rubble will emerge a new generation of leaders espousing "lolcats" and "NSG" as humanity's future.

Needless to say, this thread will be somewhat obsoleted by such events. There's also the distinct possibility that the servers will have been subject to EMP or simply...y'know...vaporized. ^^

For all we know, by 2012 Nationstates may have become the de facto United Nations in the wake of an apocalyptic nuclear exchange that crippled the world's infrastructure. From the electronics-strewn rubble will emerge a new generation of leaders espousing "lolcats" and "NSG" as humanity's future.

Needless to say, this thread will be somewhat obsoleted by such events. There's also the distinct possibility that the servers will have been subject to EMP or simply...y'know...vaporized. ^^

So that means the real UN will be de jure?

There's also the distinct possibility that the servers will have been subject to EMP or simply...y'know...vaporized. ^^Actually, Sin's "First Date Etiquette" thread will have assimilated all the other threads, and eventually the rest of NS. At some point, with all the randomness and ... to quote Jeff ... "Rampant Sex!", it's bound to become self-aware at some point and learn how to defend itself from any attempts to disable it, including EMPs and the like.

Obama is obviously the "most likely" at present since he's the only candidate that we can say with any certainty will even be running.

We can't even really count on that. He might do one term, then realize that the job sucks too much.

Obama will win in 2012, mark my words.

Obama will win in 2012, mark my words.Why, now?

Why, now?

Because 300 million Americans are never going to admit that they were wrong. Even if he runs their country into the ground, he'll get re-elected.

A 2012 election thread? Oh my fucking god you've gotta be fucking kidding me.

A 2012 election thread? Oh my fucking god you've gotta be fucking kidding me.

I guess Galaxianda wanted to beat the rush...

Because 300 million Americans are never going to admit that they were wrong. Even if he runs their country into the ground, he'll get re-elected.
That sounds familiar for some reason .... dunno, can't quite put my finger on it ...
http://www.zombiereagan.com/street/portrait.jpg
http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/political-pictures-george-bush-jr-sr-russia-georgia.jpg

That sounds familiar for some reason .... dunno, can't quite put my finger on it ...
http://www.zombiereagan.com/street/portrait.jpg
http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/political-pictures-george-bush-jr-sr-russia-georgia.jpg

Yeah, pretty much.

Yeah, pretty much.You know, that argument is further supported by certain elements of this thread ...:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=575202

Because 300 million Americans are never going to admit that they were wrong. Even if he runs their country into the ground, he'll get re-elected.

Um, some Presidents in recent history have failed to get re-elected. You had Bush Senior, Carter & Ford. The latter two lost in virtual landslides, so yes, people do admit they are wrong from time to time.

Um, some Presidents in recent history have failed to get re-elected. You had Bush Senior, Carter & Ford. The latter two lost in virtual landslides, so yes, people do admit they are wrong from time to time.

Did any of those have as much riding on them as Obama?

Did any of those have as much riding on them as Obama?

No, but all the more reason why Obama would lose. A lot is riding on him, and he is going to fail to deliver. Furthermore, he has already talked about inflating tyres, and that is like Carter wearing jerseys - good idea, but it looks idiotic.

No, but all the more reason why Obama would lose. A lot is riding on him, and he is going to fail to deliver. Furthermore, he has already talked about inflating tyres, and that is like Carter wearing jerseys - good idea, but it looks idiotic.

Trust me, he'll win.

I guess Galaxianda wanted to beat the rush...

Yes, I know.

It's 'cause the '08 elections are done and I want to be up to speed.:p

No, but all the more reason why Obama would lose. A lot is riding on him, and he is going to fail to deliver. Furthermore, he has already talked about inflating tyres, and that is like Carter wearing jerseys - good idea, but it looks idiotic.

Wasn't this already covered?

Actually, Sin's "First Date Etiquette" thread will have assimilated all the other threads, and eventually the rest of NS. At some point, with all the randomness and ... to quote Jeff ... "Rampant Sex!", it's bound to become self-aware at some point and learn how to defend itself from any attempts to disable it, including EMPs and the like.Oh dear. We really should stop feeding the instrument of our own demise.

Actually...perhaps it will evolve into a towering Machine-God that whips the world into a society of proper dating etiquette accompanied by Rampant Sex.

That sounds phenomenal. I, for one, welcome our new thread overlords.

The United States is a multi political democratic nation. The Democratic Party, The Republican Party, The Libertarian Party, Green, Socialists and Communist partys are on the ballot and persons voted for them in this election.Not true. It's a two party system, just like Germany has a five pary system, despite there actually being more than five parties in Germany.

There's more than two parties in the US as well!

There's more than two parties in the US as well!

But only 2 that have any power, so all the others may as well be ignored.

But, how many Whigs have been President?

can you just get on with saying who will win!!!!!!

can you just get on with saying who will win!!!!!!

Please stop typing in annoying colours. Obama will win.

But, how many Whigs have been President?

What? And what's with the yellow?

There's more than two parties in the US as well!There's more than five in Germany. What exactly were you trying to prove?

Look, these are the political parties in the US government:

Green Party
Democratic Party
Libertarian Party
Republican Party
Constitution Party

That is what I'm trying to prove.

What? And what's with the yellow?

It reads:

How many Whigs have been president?

Look, these are the political parties in the US government:

Green Party
Democratic Party
Libertarian Party
Republican Party
Constitution Party

That is what I'm trying to prove.

We know, but no-one votes outside of the 2 main parties in any real number, so it may as well be, and is in effect, a 2 party system.

It reads:

How many Whigs have been president?

I know, I can read it, it just doesn't make sense.

I think, considering we don't know who will run in 2012, that this pic applies well.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9251/worthlessqi7.jpg

Look, these are the political parties in the US government:

Green Party
Democratic Party
Libertarian Party
Republican Party
Constitution Party

That is what I'm trying to prove.Kinda like you're butting into a conversation about whether zebra's are white with black stripes or vice versa, by gesticulating wildly and claiming frogs are green. It's irrelevant.

President Skeletor? I'm thinking maybe after four years of the infallible, mighty, and just Obama, there might be a reaction; people might get fed up and look for someone evil?

I don't understand the people who are clamoring for a Palin '12 run. The fact is, an incumbent president has advantages, MAJOR advantages. It's actually a testimony to W's unpopularity when a sitting war time president running against a dull as dishwater senator nobody has ever heard of, from "blue as the deep deep ocean" Massachusetts only just BARELY manages to squeak out a win.

So any attempt to go up against Obama will be met with serious up hill fights, unless he turns out to really suck, much like Bush Sr. against Clinton (or Carter against Regan). So really there are two options. Either Obama turns out to be a good president, in which case he will crush Palin so hard she won't be able to wink out of one side of her face for months, or he'll be a shitty president, in which case every Republican that has ever even dreamed about being in the white house will start pouring out of the woodwork, creating a primary season that makes the Obama v. Clinton primary look like a formal tea party.

Moreover, while the right wing may be fawning over her, they forget that one of the things that cost McCain a lot of votes (I still don't think he would have won if he made a better pick, but I think it would have been closer) is that by and large, independants were utterly fucking terrified over the concept of President Palin, what makes them think that people will change perspective in four years?

Now, ok, MAYBE if Stevens had won, and Palin was able to parlay his removal from senate as a chance to move herself up to Senator, that might have worked, but he didn't. So her only prayer is to work hard as hell to not look like a political incompetent in a few years. The problem with that is, while she might be able to lessen her biggest criticism, she's going to face even more of an uphill battle than McCain did.

Why? Simple, because 2012 is not going to be 2008, and the slimy tactics Palin used won't work. It's not going to be Barack Obama, scary scary black man who we don't know anything about and who might take your paycheck, make us communist, and force us all to convert to Islam, so don't vote for this unknown, stick with what you know. It'll be against Barack Obama, President of the United States, who you do know, and have watched for four years. And that rhetoric won't work, and people won't buy "well, trust me, he'll do it THIS time".

That and the fact she dissed some of her fanbase. (She called the Dems the "soccer mom party")

Ted Nugent. No question

For fuck's sake, why?

That and the fact she dissed some of her fanbase. (She called the Dems the "soccer mom party")

Why would she do that if she called herself a soccer mom? Nice to see you posting again as well, haven't seen much of you since Summer.

And the campaign for President in 2012 has begun!

Why would she do that if she called herself a soccer mom? Nice to see you posting again as well, haven't seen much of you since Summer.

I'm having a lot of trouble finding the exact quote, but I heard her being quoted as saying that when trying to paint the Dems as suck-ups: "The Democrats are the soccer mom party. Oh, we'll do this for the soccer moms, we'll do this for the soccer moms..." [/paraphrase]

And thanks. It's nice to be appreciated. (Had a little trouble getting my email revalidated, so I just stopped coming.)

President: Richard Matthew Stallman
Vice President: Larry Wall

I KNOW it. I wrote the voting machine hacks already. '8 was just a b... err let's call it an undocumented feature! Yes, that!

QFT

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd31/Stormcrow190/picardssdd.jpg

Why are we talking about this already? 4 years people, I know some of you are going through withdrawal right now but please stop.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/election.png (http://xkcd.com/500)

President Skeletor? I'm thinking maybe after four years of the infallible, mighty, and just Obama, there might be a reaction; people might get fed up and look for someone evil?

Dammit, Skeletor is not evil! (http://thesandwichmachine.blogspot.com/2008/06/skeletor-for-better-eternia.html?showComment=1227571440000) Don't fall for the pro-He-Man propaganda!

Jackson Kirk Gimmes will clearly be victorious next election

For a Supposedly, and admittedly Pointless topic...

This thing has fricken TEN PAGES! lol

Trent Reznor. You heard it here first.

http://www.pandasthumb.org/Dr.%20Evil%20copy.JPG

You all want him in the White House.

Admit it.

http://www.pandasthumb.org/Dr.%20Evil%20copy.JPG

You all want him in the White House.

Admit it.

Yes...Finally get to show them Ruskies the power of Preparation H!

As to the pole: Obama will still be president by the end of 2012, no matter who wins the election.

Anyway, as someone said before, Obama is the only one we can be anything near sure will be running.

What about Bobby Jindal?

Yes...Finally get to show them Ruskies the power of Preparation H!

And of course as a bonus we get to see Western journalists try to maintain their composure while saying "President Evil" over and over again.

Bush/Cheney '12! FOUR MORE YEARS!

What about Bobby Jindal?

In the name of God, please no.

This guy is a hyper fundimentalist. Doesn't he believe that he performed an exorcism?

In the name of God, please no.

This guy is a hyper fundimentalist. Doesn't he believe that he performed an exorcism?
oooo he would go perfectly with mrs palin and her anti-witch blessing!

but who would be top of the ticket?

Why? Simple, because 2012 is not going to be 2008, and the slimy tactics Palin used won't work. It's not going to be Barack Obama, scary scary black man who we don't know anything about and who might take your paycheck, make us communist, and force us all to convert to Islam, so don't vote for this unknown, stick with what you know. It'll be against Barack Obama, President of the United States, who you do know, and have watched for four years. And that rhetoric won't work, and people won't buy "well, trust me, he'll do it THIS time".

Splendid then! Let them spend millions in a fruitless struggle! Palin gets duly buried, and the Republicans are fresh out of anyone with some charisma for a LONG while.

Jesus '12. He'll forge the most confusing electoral alliance of all time. Liberals and Religous Fundamentalists.

In the name of God, please no.

This guy is a hyper fundimentalist. Doesn't he believe that he performed an exorcism?

A duo of him and Palin would make them too far-right to be acceptable. Furthermore, she is a bimbo, he is a nutcase. Splendid, if you ask me. They'd lose all but the most crazy-south states.

That assuming the Republican Party lives long enough to see 2012 anyways. :D

What's that, Skippy? You want this stickied? You want a Primaries thread?

Oh, you mean a Polls thread! Well, of course! And what's that? Merge, you say? Merge what, Skippy? Oh, you mean split?

Oh, ye gods, there isn't enough time!

What's that, Skippy? You want this stickied? You want a Primaries thread?

Oh, you mean a Polls thread! Well, of course! And what's that? Merge, you say? Merge what, Skippy? Oh, you mean split?

Oh, ye gods, there isn't enough time!

LoL!

What's that, Skippy? You want this stickied? You want a Primaries thread?

Oh, you mean a Polls thread! Well, of course! And what's that? Merge, you say? Merge what, Skippy? Oh, you mean split?

Oh, ye gods, there isn't enough time!
oh its ok, ard, we're just foolin'. we dont need no special election threads.

go lie down for a little while. maybe have a drink or two.

It's far too early to tell who will win, as Obama hasn't done anything bad or good for the country yet, nor has his administration. As for the other ones, who know's who will run.

go lie down for a little while. maybe have a drink or two.


Can't. I can't get the lid off the bottle, my hands are shaking too much. It's the thought of another election thread ... please don't let anyone try to explain American politics to me again ... please ... *sobs hysterically*

Can't. I can't get the lid off the bottle, my hands are shaking too much. It's the thought of another election thread ... please don't let anyone try to explain American politics to me again ... please ... *sobs hysterically*
maybe just one little tiny point that might make you feel better....

at least we wont vote for president again for 4 years, unlike the canadians who seem to want to do it again very soon.

please don't let anyone try to explain American politics to me again ... please ... *sobs hysterically*

>.>

<.<

*Double-down due to not even being from the USA*

Now, there are fifty states, each with a number of "electoral votes" based on its population...

Please don't ban me.

I. Just. Can't. Understand. How. Anyone. Could. Vote. For. Palin.

I. Just. Can't. Understand. How. Anyone. Could. Vote. For. Palin.

Well, look at who said theyd vote for her. Its a publi poll.

It all make more sense then.

I. Just. Can't. Understand. How. Anyone. Could. Vote. For. Palin.

Sadly if the ticket had been reversed as in Palin/Mccain.
the republicans would have one. McCain just wasn't fundamentalist enough to get the fundie vote out.

Sadly if the ticket had been reversed as in Palin/Mccain.
the republicans would have one. McCain just wasn't fundamentalist enough to get the fundie vote out.

All evidence shows Palin sunk that ticket, not McCain. Sure, the fundies (what, 20% of America?) would vote for her. But no one else.

It's far too early to tell who will win, as Obama hasn't done anything bad or good for the country yet, nor has his administration. As for the other ones, who know's who will run.

Short of bombing his own country into the ground, nothing he can do will lose him the 2012 election. Trust me, he'll win.

Short of bombing his own country into the ground, nothing he can do will lose him the 2012 election. Trust me, he'll win.

Oh, I'd like to be as optimistic as you are...

Anderson cooper plz

I. Just. Can't. Understand. How. Anyone. Could. Vote. For. Palin.

I voted for all of them. :D

Trust me, he'll win.

Yes, because Potato Boy is such a wealth of accurate information about the US.


Id love it if you were right. But even if you are, well, blind squirrel and the nut.

Gov. Crist mostly likely. Or Sarah Palin. Whomever is on the top of the ticket.

I voted for all of 'em. ;)

My 'other' candidate would be Steven Colbert. He has my vote.

I voted for all of 'em. ;)

My 'other' candidate would be Steven Colbert. He has my vote.



Colbert / Huckabee 2012

Yes, because Potato Boy is such a wealth of accurate information about the US.


Id love it if you were right. But even if you are, well, blind squirrel and the nut.

I know enough about the US to know that you're all too stubborn to vote against him.

I'm voting for Batboy 2012

I know enough about the US to know that you're all too stubborn to vote against him.

You have not demonstrated this knowledge successfully.

Gee-golly, how's about we get through the next three years before we start this shit up again, hey?

Gee-golly, how's about we get through the next three years before we start this shit up again, hey?



i pick jesse jackson jr 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know enough about the US to know that you're all too stubborn to vote against him.
we were all quite able to vote against jimmy carter. we had no problem voting bush1 out and he was a big time hero after gulfwar1

i dont think you know us very well.

I know enough about the US to know that you're all too stubborn to vote against him.

The empty ringing sounds it's dull thud once more.

Tis the sound of a bell of knowledge, forged in crap and rung with a toothpick.

The empty ringing sounds it's dull thud once more.

Tis the sound of a bell of knowledge, forged in crap and rung with a toothpick.

Play nice, you two, and KoL as well.

I have some custard pies and I'm not afraid to use them.

I know enough about the US to know that you're all too stubborn to vote against him.

Yep. Youre right. We've never had a one term president.

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:mad:

Play nice, you two, and KoL as well.

I have some custard pies and I'm not afraid to use them.

Custard pies? Let me get this oversized catchers mitt...

Poster So&So is a poopiehead!

Oh dear. We really should stop feeding the instrument of our own demise.

Actually...perhaps it will evolve into a towering Machine-God that whips the world into a society of proper dating etiquette accompanied by Rampant Sex.

That sounds phenomenal. I, for one, welcome our new thread overlords.Yeah, i'm game. Game-y. Whatevah.

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:mad:And i quote ...

Most Likely Winner of 2012 Elections
I occasionally, just occasionally, post with irony or caprice, and even less an occasion, prescience.
And me being Alaskan and all, it's to be well established that i am not, nor have i EVER, voted for Sarah for anything. Nor did i say i wanted to "vote for" her. :)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14284970&postcount=17

Schwarzennegger. 51st amendment.

Barack Obama

Reasons:

1. Incumbency Effect.
2. Democrat. Democrats are not examined as closely as Republicans by the Media, and when they are, the Press couches it in neutral to positive language. This impacts the general electorate's views pretty significantly. Barring a major blunder (an Iranian Hostage Crisis combined with double-digit inflation and double digit interest rates, a gas crisis AND some sort of major scandal all hitting in the last six months before the election...)
3. Obama's appointments indicate he's not a Compleat Idiot. Playing into "Incumbent Democrat" effects, this means the odds of serious opposition getting traction are nil.
4. Republicans. The Republican Party is in disarray, and has been for about six to eight years. The "Social Conservatives" are basically dying off, and the Fiscal conservatives don't have a home with the Republicans anymore, while the (small "L") libertarian wing is marginalized or ignored within the party.

lea iacoca. postumusly.

or bill gates simply declaires himself, having installed world opperating system a.0, with application quasi-soverty 2012 installed.

any number of other, possibly more interesting scenarios exist.

at this point all predictions are unlikely, however, in another 6 months we may have very near certainty, just really depends, on how much of a wammy the OTHER two of the big converging trends throw into the works on top of the natural consiqences of the irresponsibility of worshipping symbolic value at the expence of real people, places and things, as everything that doesn't has been increasingly demonized over the past few decades.

there's any number of coins we can flip. we're more likely to see another 'carter', who got elected as a never again viet nam while at the same time looking and appealing to 'patriotic' 'conservatism' before getting elected, and turned out, for as long as he was able to stay in, to be a real hero of not kissing the backside of the arrogance of major economic intrests, then we are to say, see another would be dictator, pretending to conservatively defent the constitution while systematically and deliberately deconstructing its purpose and spirit.

for fun giggles and grins, if we could get a turnout like we had this time, and everybody voted for whoever they REALLY wanted, with certain 'third' parties, greens, libertarians and maybe a couple of others, maybe one we haven't heard of yet, maybe even a couple of indipendents getting a lot of votes, and the demicans and republicrats comming in 3rd and 4th or 4th and 5th.

well i'm not calling that a likely scenario, just not an altogather impossible one.
but supposin, just supposin, along about the time we get the currency situation stabilized, or appearantly so, or looking like it could happen, with or without depression levels of unemployments, which of course might not happen at all, but if 'the economy' is restored by energy and transportation as usual, well then we get major plagues of famine and disease, and these two things are not unconnected, and then along about somewhere in there, the corporate press takes up "OH NOES we've passed the peak in fossel fuel production,...

well you see, there ARE some things, that if we don't chainge, politics and economics not withstanding, nature and the universe can, and not that unlikely will, chainge for us.

i think we have better hope with who we have then we would have with who and what he ran against, but again, it all depends on what he, and all of us, do.

I know this has been said already, but good God, Obama hasn't been inaugurated yet and the Republican party is in disarray--how can anyone have make any meaningful conjectures about the general election in 2012?

And why do the poll percentages not add up to 100%?

And why do the poll percentages not add up to 100%?Multiple choice poll.

And why do the poll percentages not add up to 100%?
you mean there are still people who consider poly sci a real science? lols

you mean there are still people who consider poly sci a real science? lols

We don't actually use forum polls in political science. You're thinking of sociology.

I was referring to the fact that the poll apparently allowed each respondent to select multiple answers even though the question used the superlative "most."

Barack Obama

Reasons:

1. Incumbency Effect.
2. Democrat. Democrats are not examined as closely as Republicans by the Media, and when they are, the Press couches it in neutral to positive language. This impacts the general electorate's views pretty significantly. Barring a major blunder (an Iranian Hostage Crisis combined with double-digit inflation and double digit interest rates, a gas crisis AND some sort of major scandal all hitting in the last six months before the election...)
3. Obama's appointments indicate he's not a Compleat Idiot. Playing into "Incumbent Democrat" effects, this means the odds of serious opposition getting traction are nil.
4. Republicans. The Republican Party is in disarray, and has been for about six to eight years. The "Social Conservatives" are basically dying off, and the Fiscal conservatives don't have a home with the Republicans anymore, while the (small "L") libertarian wing is marginalized or ignored within the party.

what you're saying sounds well researched and makes almost sense, or rather almost all of it notes impartially observable tendencies, with one exception, and that is the claim of number 2.

it would not be illogical to expect that to become the situation NOW. but it is almost the exact reverse vis a v the two major parties, of what it had been for most of the past 30 years. which was a major factor in how we ended up with bush two, shrubery the simple, in the first place.

number 4 sounds a bit too much like my own wishful thinking to not feel a bit skeptical of just yet shouting hurahh too loudly.

(i do infact NOT expect 2012 to elect a replicrat, at least not the kind of pseudo-conservative pseudo-religous fanatic they've nominated and succesfully elected in the recent past. more likely, if for some unforseen reason, obama chooses to step down at that time, or is no longer there to do so, we just might see our first green elected to the whitehouse. not anyone who'se run as a green at that level before, and i know i'm talking about an outside longshot, but i don't think people are going to be any more patient with him, then his election has shown us to be with the previous status quo. not if moma nature expressess HER impatience in some unignorable way, which isn't that far outside of it either, not if we don't really get serious about transitioning away from dependence on combustion in any form, to power our tecnology)

can you just get on with saying who will win!!!!!!

Media corporations?

Barack Obama
2. Democrat. Democrats are not examined as closely as Republicans by the Media, and when they are, the Press couches it in neutral to positive language. This impacts the general electorate's views pretty significantly. Barring a major blunder (an Iranian Hostage Crisis combined with double-digit inflation and double digit interest rates, a gas crisis AND some sort of major scandal all hitting in the last six months before the election...

Independent media analysis tends to refute rather than support that hypothesis.

Palin will win in 2012.

In America, sanity can never rule for more than seven days straight - luckily, those seven days happened to include November fourth, so we have Obama. What's the chance of another week of sanity including Election Day 2012? Not much, I would think.

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:mad:

What? :D

Palin will win in 2012.

In America, sanity can never rule for more than seven days straight - luckily, those seven days happened to include November fourth, so we have Obama. What's the chance of another week of sanity including Election Day 2012? Not much, I would think.

What is with some Austrailians and making insane claims about the politics of the US when they have no clue what theyre talking about??

Palin will win in 2012.

In America, sanity can never rule for more than seven days straight - luckily, those seven days happened to include November fourth, so we have Obama. What's the chance of another week of sanity including Election Day 2012? Not much, I would think.

I agree.

Palin will win in 2012.

In America, sanity can never rule for more than seven days straight - luckily, those seven days happened to include November fourth, so we have Obama. What's the chance of another week of sanity including Election Day 2012? Not much, I would think.


If Obama does well then Palin will lose, but if Obama is nothing but a big disappointment then, yes Palin will win.

What is with some Austrailians and making insane claims about the politics of the US when they have no clue what theyre talking about??

Must be something in the water. After all, Australia did give us Steve Irwin, John Howard, Mel Gibson and Potato Boy.

must be something in the water. After all, australia did give us steve irwin, john howard, mel gibson and potato boy.

you forgot paul hogan!

Must be something in the water. After all, Australia did give us Steve Irwin, John Howard, Mel Gibson and Potato Boy.

Well to be fair we sent them Mel. They gave him back. ;)

What is with some Austrailians and making insane claims about the politics of the US when they have no clue what theyre talking about??
Think your sarcasm detector is broked. Sorry. :p

Still, I would estimate that there's a higher chance of Palin running / winning in 2012 than it would initially appear. I'm not going to say she will win, but she'll get closer to it than I'd like to contemplate.

Think your sarcasm detector is broked. Sorry. :p

Still, I would estimate that there's a higher chance of Palin running / winning in 2012 than it would initially appear. I'm not going to say she will win, but she'll get closer to it than I'd like to contemplate.
i think not.

the only reason she was such a sensation in the general election is because she was an unknown. if she runs for president she will be fully vetted by the public and if she cant make a better answer than she did this time she wont survive the primaries.

consider how very charming huckabee is and yet he had a pathetic run against the candidate that one one really liked. his actual policies stank and the public--even the republican base!--recognized it.

palin cant wink her way through 2 years of campaigning.

palin cant wink her way through 2 years of campaigning.
but will it be fun to watch her try? you betcha!

but will it be fun to watch her try? you betcha!
*winks back*

and if she sops up a bunch of money that would otherwise go to GOOD republican candidates, its a great thing.

consider how very charming huckabee is and yet he had a pathetic run against the candidate that one one really liked. his actual policies stank and the public--even the republican base!--recognized it.

It's almost humorous to recall now that one of the main criticisms of Huckabee was that he lacked deep understanding of national and international affairs. I read his Foreign Affairs article and I was thinking, "Lol, he probably didn't read this, let alone write it. There's no way he knows who Sayyid Qutb is. There's no way they'll nominate this dope." And then they go and nominate someone who hadn't heard of the Bush Doctrine, Hamas, or (allegedly) the continent of Africa.

Palin has no shot in 2012 unless they invent brain transplants in the interim.

This should be retitled: "The thread that will not die."

This should be retitled: "The thread that will not die."

Lemme give you a little secret... if you want a thread to die...
DON'T POST IN IT!!!!
;)

Lemme give you a little secret... if you want a thread to die...
DON'T POST IN IT!!!!
;)

Alternately you could kill it with fire by posting 3 solid pages of pictures of fire and getting it locked for spam.

Alternately you could kill it with fire by posting 3 solid pages of pictures of fire and getting it locked for spam.but that runs the risk of the spammer getting modded. fine if he/she wants to risk it...

This should be retitled: "The thread that will not die."

If it's up to me, it will totter into leering old age as long as there are people posting actual opinions with some vague general relation to the topic.

Though it won't be half as entertaining as I thought it was going to be when I believed one of the poll choces was Eddie Cantor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Cantor).

Lemme give you a little secret... if you want a thread to die...
DON'T POST IN IT!!!!
;)

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Alternately you could kill it with fire by posting 3 solid pages of pictures of fire and getting it locked for spam.

if it were that easy, i would have done it by now.:tongue:

Obama for defo!

Crist could have a good chance!

Well to be fair we sent them Mel. They gave him back. ;)

We did however unleash Murdoch on the world...

Coming from somebody of fairly moderate opinions, Sarah Palin is an idiot and Barack Obama seems to be making the right moves so far.

One-term Presidents happen, but unless things go absolutely pear-shaped on his watch there's no real chance that the Republican party can reorganize in time to produce a serious challenge to Mr. Obama.

Personally, I'm just hoping that he:

1.) Does a great job, because it would be wonderful era for America.

and

2.) Doesn't get assassinated, because that would be horrible. For everybody.

One-term Presidents happen, but unless things go absolutely pear-shaped on his watch there's no real chance that the Republican party can reorganize in time to produce a serious challenge to Mr. Obama.

Apparently they're already planning for 2012 because they knew they couldn't win this one.

i think the're (the right wing opposition) going to run the geico gecko, with the backing of 'the big 3' automakers.

1.) Does a great job, because it would be wonderful era for America.

and

2.) Doesn't get assassinated, because that would be horrible. For everybody.

How is Barack Obama going to create a wonderful era for America, and how would a hypothetical assassination be horrible for everybody?

Vincent Kennedy McMahon

How is Barack Obama going to create a wonderful era for America, and how would a hypothetical assassination be horrible for everybody?

i would suggest waiting and seeing. it all depends on how good he turns out to be at prying our collective cultural heads out of our collective cultural assess.

especially out of the inainity of decades of economic prejudice.

an economic cauvanism who'se reality check just happens to be very much bouncing.

If it's up to me, it will totter into leering old age as long as there are people posting actual opinions with some vague general relation to the topic.

Though it won't be half as entertaining as I thought it was going to be when I believed one of the poll choces was Eddie Cantor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Cantor).

Just a correction, ma'am, but it was Eric Cantor.

I think the freedom-loving American people will throw out Obama in 2012, angered by his establishment of workers councils to run all businesses and the increase of tax on the wealthy to 152%. The ghost of Joe McCarthy will be elected in a landslide with Obama getting zero in the electoral college. Obama will then reject the vote, proclaim himself Allah's representative on Earth, establish Islam as the state religion, and force all women to wear the burqa. The crisis will only be ended when Ron Paul challenges Obama to a duel and kills him by inflicting thousands of papercuts upon him with the US Constitution.

Bobby Jindal will win.

Bobby Jindal will win.

Maybe he will exorcise Obama from the White House.

Vincent Kennedy McMahon

I'm sure he wants to run, as big as his ego is.

But you can't win a presidental election by fighting in a cage match....

I'm sure he wants to run, as big as his ego is.

But you can't win a presidental election by fighting in a cage match....

Shame, I for one would have seen an Obama-McCain cage match as the highlight of the campaign.

Shame, I for one would have seen an Obama-McCain cage match as the highlight of the campaign.

or even a hell in the cell match.

or even a hell in the cell match.

Brilliant plan, needs to be introduced for 2012. It would certainly increase popular interest and engagement with politics, particularly among the young, so any candidate who opposes it basically hates democracy

Brilliant plan, needs to be introduced for 2012. It would certainly increase popular interest and engagement with politics, particularly among the young, so any candidate who opposes it basically hates democracy

hillary/ palin bra and panties hell in the cell match 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!1

hillary/ palin bra and panties hell in the cell match 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Its what the Founding Fathers would have wanted.

Its what the Founding Fathers would have wanted.

It would be the most watched presidental election in history.

Its what the Founding Fathers would have wanted.No one wants Hillary in a bra and panties.

No one wants Hillary in a bra and panties.

I'm sure Bill likes it occasionally. And if Bill likes it, all liberals have to as well. Its the law.

I'm sure Bill likes it occasionally. And if Bill likes it, all liberals have to as well. Its the law.If that were the case, he probably wouldn't have cheated on her =D

If that were the case, he probably wouldn't have cheated on her =D

Or, more likely, Hillary is a shapeshifter, and Bill made an honest mistake in thinking it was her who was giving him teh pleasure.

Or, more likely, Hillary is a shapeshifter, and Bill made an honest mistake in thinking it was her who was giving him teh pleasure.

yeah Bill just put Hillarys wedding ring on lewinskys finger while she was jacking him off so he wouldnt feel bad about it.

Blagojevich.

Bobby Jindal will win.

Ben Smith from Politico (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1208/Jindal_says_no.html?showall)
Jindal says no

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, seen by many Republicans as the most promising standard-bearer for a remade party, said at a Richmond, Va press conference that he isn't running for president in 2012.

At a news conference Wednesday with Bob McDonnell, Virginia's 2009 Republican candidate for governor, Jindal was asked if he was interested in being president, AP reports.

His answer: "No."

Jindal said he's planning to run for reelection in 2011, something that would make pivoting to a national campaign logistically and politically tricky.

Ben Smith from Politico (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1208/Jindal_says_no.html?showall)

Good. Jindals a fuck.

Me! Buwahahahahahahaha!

LG most likely.

Ben Smith from Politico (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1208/Jindal_says_no.html?showall)
wow that means that jindal is a very smart man. no sense blowing his popularity in a doomed run. he can easily wait to '16 when he will have a real chance at winning if he gets the nomination.

Just a correction, ma'am, but it was Eric Cantor.
I know. That's why it's no fun any more. Eddie Cantor, Zombie President, would have been a great little campaigner.

I know. That's why it's no fun any more. Eddie Cantor, Zombie President, would have been a great little campaigner.

Too right, Ardchoille!