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The guy who came up with "rudolph the red nosed reindeer" had an accent when he sang his song, changing the name of the reindeer from Donder to Donner. Please tell me someone else knows this? Or... :( does everyone falsely call him Donner now...

Eh it's Donner - Donner and Blitzen = Thunder and Lightning.

Eh it's Donner - Donner and Blitzen = Thunder and Lightning.I concurr.

so what goes in a Döner kebab?

Look it up!!! It was originally Donder in Twas the Night before Christmas, and other things. The one song "Rudolph" changed it.:mad:

Why don't they sing Rudolph the Red Nosed Caribou in the US?

Look it up!!! It was originally Donder in Twas the Night before Christmas, and other things. The one song "Rudolph" changed it.:mad:Why do you assume the Night Before Christmas got it right?

so what goes in a Döner kebab?
Rat.
Look it up!!! It was originally Donder in Twas the Night before Christmas, and other things. The one song "Rudolph" changed it.:mad:
Nein, Typ. It's Donner, because as I said, Donner and Blitzen, his reindeer pal, means Thunder and Lightning, which would make sense more than Donder and Blitzen, which wouldn't mean anything.

And if you're being all anal about this, it was originally Dunder rather than Donder.

I concurr.

I never understood where they got Blitzen from... what's with the -en???

Why don't they sing Rudolph the Red Nosed Caribou in the US?
Because they care more about alliteration and good lyrics than they caribou giving things 'proper' names.

http://german.about.com/library/blgermyth05.htm

Dunder and Blixem

I never understood where they got Blitzen from... what's with the -en???
The original was Blixem, and to keep it sounding good they put an -en in. That or they're emulating one of those hilarious Bavarian dialects where you put "'n" on things.

I never understood where they got Blitzen from... what's with the -en???You know. I just looked it up in Dutch. Turns out "Donder" is indeed Dutch for Thunder. Blitzen, however, is not Dutch.

I never understood where they got Blitzen from... what's with the -en???

Stuck it in at the end cos it's easy to rhyme with.

Because they care more about alliteration and good lyrics than they caribou giving things 'proper' names.

Ouch :D

Here is your proof

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/donner.asp

By the way, DONDER means thunder in dutch. Also, Dunder was before the guy actually wrote "Twas the Night Before Christmas." He wrote it as Donder

Ouch :D
My puns hurt so good :D

Here is your proof

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/donner.asp

By the way, DONDER means thunder in dutch. Also, Dunder was before the guy actually wrote "Twas the Night Before Christmas." He wrote it as DonderUm...
Claim: Two of Santa's reindeer were originally named 'Dunder' and 'Blixem,' not 'Donner' and 'Blitzen.'

Status: True.

I contest that reindeer don't exist so your all wrong.

Christmas is canceled

Christmas is canceledNot in the US!
There it got cancelled.

I contest that reindeer don't exist so your all wrong.

Christmas is canceled
Why do you hate freedom :(

Here is your proof

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/donner.asp

By the way, DONDER means thunder in dutch. Also, Dunder was before the guy actually wrote "Twas the Night Before Christmas." He wrote it as Donder
ahhhh

having read the link....

i officially dont give a damn.

Yes it says Dunder at the beginning, but READ the whole thing!!!!!!!!!

Yes it says Dunder at the beginning, but READ the whole thing!!!!!!!!!It said Dunder in the beginning, it reads Donner now.

Not in the US!
There it got cancelled.

don't make me send out Zwarte Piet

Why do you hate freedom :(

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2638/xmasiscancelled8qkoz4.jpg

don't make me send out Zwarte Piet
I'm busy flunking professional papers based on British and American spellings. I've earned the right to point stuff like that out.

It even makes sense in the song:
Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen.- A couple of these are varients of the other to my awareness. Maybe the guy had a "Vixen" who danced on his mind when naming them.

Comet, Cupid, Donner, Blitzen.- Celestial, an entity one looked to for many centuries, or entities in nature. A large celestial body that is rare and that burns brightly in the sky, one of many gods of love, thunder, and lightning. Either way, they're admired by several people because of their mystique, rarity, and raw power.

It is Donner, he was named after everyone's favorite cannibal family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_party). Yay!
The Donner's are a very traditional family, in that they don't leave the table until everyone's eaten.

You mean Jörn Donner?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6rn_Donner

donner were a bunch of fools who got snowed in near the eastern base of my sierra mountains one winter, quite a percentage of whome died and the survivors having done so by turning to canabalism.

this was somewhat before the building of railways and other infrastructure, and so could almost have been excused, except many had passed that way before and their expedition had been notoriously missmanaged.

don't know why a kids fanatasy about fat men crawling down chimneys would name one of its subsentient charicters after them. possibly the name might have been familiar at the time it was written or something, or maybe it just fit the meter of the passage in which it occurs.

donner were a bunch of fools who got snowed in near the eastern base of my sierra mountains one winter, quite a percentage of whome died and the survivors having done so by turning to canabalism.

this was somewhat before the building of railways and other infrastructure, and so could almost have been excused, except many had passed that way before and their expedition had been notoriously missmanaged.

don't know why a kids fanatasy about fat men crawling down chimneys would name one of its subsentient charicters after them. possibly the name might have been familiar at the time it was written or something, or maybe it just fit the meter of the passage in which it occurs.
pssst

it was just a joke.

pssst

it was just a joke.

undoubtedly. this IS nation states however.

Eh it's Donner - Donner and Blitzen = Thunder and Lightning.

Thunder would in fact be donder.

EDIT: nvm, this was already mentioned ;)

Thunder would in fact be donder.
In which case lightning is Bliksem, and the whole thing is rather a waste of time.

In which case lightning is Bliksem, and the whole thing is rather a waste of time.

Indeed. Then again, the pronounciations of bliksem and blitzen are awfully close ;)

Indeed. Then again, the pronounciations of bliksem and blitzen are awfully close ;)
Eh about as close as keeping the 'd' quiet in Donder and Donner, aye.

i like the idea of donder and bliksm as names for tame raindeer. more then the silliness about a fat man trying to clime down modern stove pipes. my own parents didn't even try to convince me of that one.

they did say, when they had to admit they couldn't really afford what i really wanted, "we'll just have to see what santa brings too". that was sort of like the same thing as the tooth fairy, who tended to leave dimes and quarters under my pillow in place of my teeth.

which isn't as bad as it sounds, as the buying power of a quarter then, was about where the dollar is now, or maybe more like a buck and a half.

this was before they were a sandwedge of copper between nickle-pewter or whatever that imitation silver stuff is they use now.

i think the critters WERE pretty much the best part, although eating the cookies and hot (cold by then) chocklet santa hadn't finished was ok too.

undoubtedly. this IS nation states however.Doesn't apply, since this is Fiddlebottoms we're talking about. If you're savvy enough to know that you can't tell sarcasm from fanatacism on NSG, you're savvy enough to know that Fiddles is one of the Grand Masters of sarcasm around here.

Doesn't apply, since this is Fiddlebottoms we're talking about. If you're savvy enough to know that you can't tell sarcasm from fanatacism on NSG, you're savvy enough to know that Fiddles is one of the Grand Masters of sarcasm around here.
i conceed the point :hail:

No, no, no. If you were going to put it in German, that would be Donner and Blitz. It's supposed to be Nederlandsk, so it's Donder and Blitzen.

Bliksem :p And us silly Dutchies do not put the letter k behind each word ;)

Now, since tonight is the TRUE festival of Saint Nicholas (Santa Clause in simple English), start singing.