NationStates Jolt Archive

Right now the United States is supposedly going into the biggest recession it's had...ever. Every day more and more people blame the Bush Administration because of his bad policies. However, what many people don't realise is that we are part of a fluxuating system called capitalism. Sure a lot of blame can be put on Bush but it's not like this isn't something expected in Capitalism. Just like Communism it's a pretty good theory, but when put into practice it's not the perfect Utopia people think it will be. We don't put human nature into the equation, our greed and our over-ambition force us to try and rise up above all others and push down everyone else, which is exactly what happens.

Fluxuating? I think you mean fluctuating, pal.

Is there a question at the end of this statement or are we just stating the obvious?

I sometimes wonder why we bother to do anything since everything is some sort of large cosmic cycle for which no one is to blame...

...unless it's the other side, in which case it's all their fault and hanging's too good for them.

Fluxuating? I think you mean fluctuating, pal.

Sorry I was writing fast

Nyet, we must bring glorious people's revolution to our oppressed comrades. Crush the bourgeois pigs who shackle us with their oppressive...uh...shackles.

Is there a question at the end of this statement or are we just stating the obvious?

Stating the obvious to open up the way for opinions that shhow the not so obvious.

Fluxuating? I think you mean fluctuating, pal.

I think Fluxuating looks better....X doesnt get enough use, lol...

Stating the obvious to open up the way for opinions that shhow the not so obvious.

It's often better to open with a thoughtful question or end with one to open up the floor for discussion. If you provide your ideas without any kind of question, one's left to attack your theories. If you provide a question with no reasoning, the debate becomes generalized. A question and a statement provide a good starting point for argumentation.

However, that was also a bit of my irritation from a linear calculus lecture today showing through, so... yeah. :tongue:

Fluxuating? I think you mean fluctuating, pal.

maybe it was in reference to the flux capacitor.....

It's often better to open with a thoughtful question or end with one to open up the floor for discussion. If you provide your ideas without any kind of question, one's left to attack your theories. If you provide a question with no reasoning, the debate becomes generalized. A question and a statement provide a good starting point for argumentation.

However, that was also a bit of my irritation from a linear calculus lecture today showing through, so... yeah. :tongue:

Thank you haha it was my first thread so I didnt really know what to say

Thank you haha it was my first thread so I didnt really know what to say

Yeah, we've all been there, so it's not like I'm going to go batshit over your first post, anyway. :D

maybe it was in reference to the flux capacitor.....

Eeew! Physics! Take it away!

Yeah, we've all been there, so it's not like I'm going to go batshit over your first post, anyway. :D

Well....He's not anyway :mad:

Now there's an angle no one's ever explored. :rolleyes:

Right now the United States is supposedly going into the biggest recession it's had...ever. Every day more and more people blame the Bush Administration because of his bad policies. However, what many people don't realise is that we are part of a fluxuating system called capitalism. Sure a lot of blame can be put on Bush but it's not like this isn't something expected in Capitalism. Just like Communism it's a pretty good theory, but when put into practice it's not the perfect Utopia people think it will be. We don't put human nature into the equation, our greed and our over-ambition force us to try and rise up above all others and push down everyone else, which is exactly what happens.

Just because it's cyclic, doesn't mean that it is immune to our interactions. The lack of regulation in markets (especially in the US), and the idea that 'hands-off is better' may have looked nice in the short term - when the boom cycle was in swing, and the peaks were higher than ever... but it just stood to make the drop on the other side all the more intense.

I said it before, in another thread - if we're going to deal in this kind of 'hands-off' market model, it is essential that everyone consider the boom-bust mechanism, and factor the downturn as a cost, which they can spend towards in the up-turns.

the economy can be improved or worsened by government policy.

yes things go in cycles but the ups and downs can be dampened by proper managemnt. that is why the federal reserve is constantly tinkering with interest rates.

the problems of communism were made far worse by the policies of mao and stalin. the problems of capitalism have been made worse by george bush.

capitolism's reality check bounces at least once a century, usually, as now, as a resault of forgetting the need for at least a little bit of social responsibility.

it's no longer one nation or even a closely linked few, as this time arround, all the worlds monetary economic systems are tied togather into one big gordian knot.

there HAVE been deeper recessions and higher unemployment rates and so on, yes in living memory. its the trends that are of concern and the scam of leveraging credit secured by more leveraging of credit that has created a vulnerable house of cards that no one WANTS to call in, but reality sooner or later inevitably does anyway.

so is it the end of the world? hardly. the end of monetary economics? who knows, wouldn't break my heart if it were, but i'm damd sure not holding my breath either.

one of those demises that's been predicted before. but at the same time that's no guarantee it won't, eventually either.

at this point all we can be sure of is that ignoring probably won't make it go away. but do we really need to care whether it does or not?

that really depends entirely on how dependent you are on symbolic value being at your core way of looking at things, which i for one, don't see as all the sensible, let alone natural.

it isn't money i'm paranoid of. its people who pretend its the foundation of the universe, who can't immagine anything else that didn't involve beating each other over the head, procustianism, or some other form of unpleasantness.

(which is all a really big scam anyway, however much everyone most of us know, seems to have been taken in by)