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The situation has got so shitty that the government in Zimbabwe is asking everyone around the world for help.

Zimbabwe's government has asked for urgent international help to tackle its cholera outbreak, the World Health Organisation (WHO) has said.

At a meeting with aid agencies, Health Minister David Parirenyatwa is reported to have asked for medicine, equipment and funds to pay medical staff.

Cholera has killed at least 565 people in Zimbabwe since August, the UN says.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7763397.stm

Is this a turning point for the Mugabe government? Your thoughts.

No tacky titles?

Mugabe apparently has to worry about his troops. At this point, anything he's paying them is worthless.

When they get tired of starving, and not getting paid, they'll hang his corpse from the nearest tree, and Zimbabwe can get on with another government.

No tacky titles?
No, because "shitty situation in Zimbabwe" would get taken down very quickly.

Mugabe apparently has to worry about his troops. At this point, anything he's paying them is worthless.

When they get tired of starving, and not getting paid, they'll hang his corpse from the nearest tree, and Zimbabwe can get on with another government.
Nearly happened already - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Zimbabwean_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt

The situation has got so shitty that the government in Zimbabwe is asking everyone around the world for help.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7763397.stm

Is this a turning point for the Mugabe government? Your thoughts.
I'm actually pondering whether the international community should make him stepping down a prerequisite before they help. Now this may sound callous, but he's been actively preventing aid work, and he could well do it again. In that case, any aid would be for naught.

I'm actually pondering whether the international community should make him stepping down a prerequisite before they help. Now this may sound callous, but he's been actively preventing aid work, and he could well do it again. In that case, any aid would be for naught.
He'd lose a couple of thosand people to stay in power.

No, because "shitty situation in Zimbabwe" would get taken down very quickly.

And, it's good that there's no tacky titles.

He'd lose a couple of thosand people to stay in power.Thing is, given his actions in the past, they'd probably die anyway because he blocked the aid on a whim. Again.

Thing is, given his actions in the past, they'd probably die anyway because he blocked the aid on a whim. Again.

It would certainly seem that all Mugabe does is on whims. I don't believe that I have heard any innovation that he has come up with except new ways to cripple his poor nation.

Mugabe apparently has to worry about his troops. At this point, anything he's paying them is worthless.

When they get tired of starving, and not getting paid, they'll hang his corpse from the nearest tree, and Zimbabwe can get on with another government.
or maybe when mama dies of cholera.

but surely we white imperialists would have caused the outbreak in the first place so we can snatch all their dust?

yeah lets help because it would be a pretty shitty thing if we didn't

but surely we white imperialists would have caused the outbreak in the first place so we can snatch all their dust?

yeah lets help because it would be a pretty shitty thing if we didn't
Very punny...

Very punny...

tbh Cholera outbreaks always make me shit bricks

I say lets trade with the government of Mugabe. Lets send him international loans $ and credits $. Lets send him 2,000,000 tourists a year. And in time he will become a great democratic leader. He will allow great economic, political and social democratic reforms in his nation.

I say lets trade with the government of Mugabe. Lets send him international loans $ and credits $. Lets send him 2,000,000 tourists a year. And in time he will become a great democratic leader. He will allow great economic, political and social democratic reforms in his nation.

Did you just try and make this about Cuba?


Anyway, I say we give them aid, and then the UN arrests his ass.

Anyway, I say we give them aid, and then the UN arrests his ass.

This still wouldn't even come close to fixing the problems Zimbabwe has, may help, may plunge it into civil war, who knows.

International Aid Shocker? Pardon me if i think that "two in the pink, one in the stink" is the last thing that Zimbabwe needs from the world right now.



Hey, it was this, or a crack about a B-villain from the Spiderman universe.

I say lets trade with the government of Mugabe. Lets send him international loans $ and credits $. Lets send him 2,000,000 tourists a year. And in time he will become a great democratic leader. He will allow great economic, political and social democratic reforms in his nation.

:O you mean in time Zimbabwe could have a world leading health care system like Cuba?

edit: I hereby declare that from now on Cuba is perfect in all shapes and forms

This still wouldn't even come close to fixing the problems Zimbabwe has, may help, may plunge it into civil war, who knows.

it would however get rid of that silly mustache which as world leaders go is a pretty good sign of which nation is going down the toilet

it would however get rid of that silly mustache which as world leaders go is a pretty good sign of which nation is going down the toilet

HEY! some of us like mustaches... I'm all for facial hair. Tho they are kinda uncanny on predicting bad leaders.

:O you mean in time Zimbabwe could have a world leading health care system like Cuba?

edit: I hereby declare that from now on Cuba is perfect in all shapes and forms

Tell that to my family still in Cuba who have to ask me to send them aspirins. And Cuban American family remittances $ just to get by. The Cuban government trades with many nations of the world.


[QUOTE]I say lets trade with the government of Mugabe. Lets send him international loans $ and credits $. Lets send him 2,000,000 tourists a year. And in time he will become a great democratic leader. He will allow great economic, political and social democratic reforms in his nation.

Knights of Liberty:
Did you just try and make this about Cuba?


My point is if the policy of trade, investments and relations is a good policy towards Cuba is a good policy towards any dictatorship government. Like Zimbabwe, North Korea, Pakistan under any military dictatorship.

Like Zimbabwe, North Korea, Pakistan under any military dictatorship.

Cuba doesn't currently have a cholera outbreak, famine, or random people blowing up people in the markets, unless the CIA is up to its tricks again. All in all, I'd say Cuba is better off than the three.

But the thread's not about Cuba, despite your one drum attempt at making it. It's about Zimbabwe. So there.

Cuba doesn't currently have a cholera outbreak, famine, or random people blowing up people in the markets, unless the CIA is up to its tricks again. All in all, I'd say Cuba is better off than the three.

You should all become average Cuban citizens for a year, no family remittances $, ill send the raft - balsa.

The west's position should be:
No aid till Mugabe goes.

Mugabe has to go.

The west's position should be:
No aid till Mugabe goes.

Mugabe has to go.

Except that will very likely backfire as Bob the Bastard spins it to his propaganda advantage.

"You See? The West Hates Me So Much They Are Willing To Let The People of Zimbabwe Suffer."

At this point, it's about humanitarian aid, not who is in power.

I want Mugabe to step down as much as the next guy, but not at the cost of those who are suffering underneath him.

Can you be so sure that the aid won't go straight to Mugabe so that he will keep his army and police in pay whi;le they oppress the people?
He MUST GO!
This is now a matter of days. The Zimbabwean people will toss him out.

Can you be so sure that the aid won't go straight to Mugabe so that he will keep his army and police in pay whi;le they oppress the people?

Even Bob the Bastard realizes there's no point in ruling over Jonestown.

He MUST GO!
This is now a matter of days. The Zimbabwean people will toss him out.

Not when they're too busy throwing up and shitting themselves to death.

Even Bob the Bastard realizes there's no point in ruling over Jonestown.

Doesn't seem to bother North Korea that much, at least as long as they have their army fed.

The problem is that Mugabe is just part of the problem. If he goes, some general from the Zimbabwe army will just step up to fill the plate and keep in mind that the army is the one that goes around killing dissenters. You'd have to do some serious purging of the army if you want to affect any appreciable change.

The Thais stuck to their guns. They wanted their corrupt PM out - even if it meant ruining Thailand's economy in the short term.

Zimbabweans have to overthrow Mugabe AND the generals.
Hopefully the unpaid troops will do it.
The time for talking with Mugabe is over. He has proven himself to be another Pol Pot.

The Thais stuck to their guns. They wanted their corrupt PM out - even if it meant ruining Thailand's economy in the short term.They also want to curtail the democratic rights of the people they disagree with.

The story of the Scorpion's nature comes to mind. In this case, letting Mubabe's thugs eat from the same table they've served their own people strikes me as being rather more productive than sending aid that will only be diverted to maintaining his power-base.

They also want to curtail the democratic rights of the people they disagree with.

Seeing that the democratic rights of the people they disagreed with frittered it away by vote buying with taxpayer money, something that usually lands you in jail, it's hard to see why what they did was bad.

Isn't the government supposed to serve the people?

He'd lose a couple of thosand people to stay in power.

...without blinking. And as long as his cronies people stay ok, they won't be too bothered either. Let's hope somebody gets the chance and takes it.

...without blinking. And as long as his cronies people stay ok, they won't be too bothered either. Let's hope somebody gets the chance and takes it.

The only ones with any real chance of taking power is the army, and so far, I've not seen any evidence which puts them in a good light.

tbh Cholera outbreaks always make me shit bricks
lol that there is a repunzal

lol that there is a repunzal
Rapunzel.

It is a sign that he is listening to new advisers, one can only hope that includes the new cabinet, and that the trend continues

It is a sign that he is listening to new advisers, one can only hope that includes the new cabinet, and that the trend continues

Or maybe he's taking notes from North Korea, asking for aid and then taking it for himself and his buddies.

Or maybe he's taking notes from North Korea, asking for aid and then taking it for himself and his buddies.

.....to shore up the regime. Yep. They really are a pack of fucken bastards, at the end of the day. Presumably they feel that they've done so much harm now, they won't chance a change of regime regardless of the cost.

They also want to curtail the democratic rights of the people they disagree with.

So does the Cuban government dictatorship for life but know no-one cares about that issue.

So does the Cuban government dictatorship for life but know no-one cares about that issue.

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So does the Cuban government dictatorship for life but know no-one cares about that issue.

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Proves my point. My last post on this thread. I have made an excellent point.

Proves my point. My last post on this thread. I have made an excellent point.Does this mean you'll finally stop hijacking every thread?

Proves my point. My last post on this thread. I have made an excellent point.

Cuba cuba cuba cuba cuba cuba cuba.

You might as well replace every post you make with that. It would make the spam and hijacks more transparent and hopefully help the mods in deleting your thoroughly useless off-topic posts.

This thread is about Zimbabwe. You might need to consult an atlas, but Zimbabwe =/= Cuba.

Stop making everything about Cuba. No one cares. If you want to talk about Cuba, make a thread about it, but stop making every other thread about Cuba.

Or maybe he's taking notes from North Korea, asking for aid and then taking it for himself and his buddies.

Zimbabwe held democratic elections, and a new party took charge of the legislature, and now has power in the executive. Aid is supposed to be a stick and carrot deal, and now it's time to show Zimbabwe the carrot

I think they should force him to step down as a result...Not a prerequisite, cause he'd probably refuse, and the problem wouldnt be solved...

Just force him to anyway...and let them get a good government going...

I think they should force him to step down as a result...Not a prerequisite, cause he'd probably refuse, and the problem wouldnt be solved...

Just force him to anyway...and let them get a good government going...

Step down or you don't get aid? We've been doing that for years. How about congratulations on a democratic election, have some aid, hold more and you can have more.

Step down or you don't get aid? We've been doing that for years. How about congratulations on a democratic election, have some aid, hold more and you can have more.

Thats why it shouldnt be a prerequisite, just kick him out...and give aid anyway...

It wouldnt happen, so many snags and problems...But, if by some miracle it did, I think Zimbabwe would benefit...

Thats why it shouldnt be a prerequisite, just kick him out...and give aid anyway...

It wouldnt happen, so many snags and problems...But, if by some miracle it did, I think Zimbabwe would benefit...

So Zimbabweans should die because you think aid is a punishement, and not a reward?