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This forum is politically unbalanced however do not fear some lizasaur from South Lizasauria is here to bring heterogeniuty and internet justice to the masses!

Many times I have played devil's advocate here in an attempt to bring balance to the forum however it was in vain. Then the thought occurred that maybe instead of just using my drama skills to play an opposing role on one sided threads maybe I try certain issues.

Please list as many underrepresented NSG issues for me to represent.

An a more serious level, I do believe this can actually be beneficial to the NSG environment, this whole "left wins and everyone else loses" attitude tends to make the environment here stagnant and boring.

Issues so far:
Whale hunting by Japanese
Star Trek would win against Star Wars
Opposition towards hate speech laws
Support of military intervention in other countries

"left wins and everyone else loses" The left only like to think they have won.

Issues not represented enough: The hunting of whales by the Japanese.

This forum is politically unbalanced however do not fear some lizasaur from South Lizasauria is here to bring heterogeniuty and internet justice to the masses!

Many times I have played devil's advocate here in an attempt to bring balance to the forum however it was in vain. Then the thought occurred that maybe instead of just using my drama skills to play an opposing role on one sided threads maybe I try certain issues.

Please list as many underrepresented NSG issues for me to represent.

An a more serious level, I do believe this can actually be beneficial to the NSG environment, this whole "left wins and everyone else loses" attitude tends to make the environment here stagnant and boring.

Issues so far:

Its cute if you expect me to believe that all the uninformed and frankly wrong bull on here wasnt 200% serious.

Well I personally argue against the NSG mainstream on quite a few issues. Might I suggest that you argue against hate speech laws, and in support of military intervention in various foreign countries.

Or, for something lighter, you can take the Star Trek side in Star Trek vs Star Wars. :)

For underrepresented issues, I don't have much. I'll second the whaling suggestion, but their's not a lot of big issues that don't get some coverage. Though genetic engineer/human cloning and nanotech/artificial intelligence are ones that come to mind. I love the tech debates. :)

Its cute if you expect me to believe that all the uninformed and frankly wrong bull on here wasnt 200% serious.

A) no threadjacking

B) You have let your misguided feelings blind your judgment, it's either that or you have to practice getting your percentages right. To think that even the humorous bits were serious is both sad and laughable. :wink:

C) To say that I haven't done what I have done over the years on NSG, and that NSG isn't predominantly left wing, and that NSG possesses political heterogenuity is the truly quite unmistakable wronge uninformed bull and if you tell me that YOUR libelous BS was 200% serious I'll laugh until I die, reanimate, laugh some more and repeat this cycle a few times.

One will be born among us who shall bring political balance to the NSG!

One will be born among us who shall bring political balance to the NSG!I shall go on a year-long journey that will end without a single trace of this 'chosen one'.
After this year of travel, I shall stumble across the chosen one as I return to the council as an abject fai-
...Wait. ...No Star Wars? :(

One will be born among us who shall bring political balance to the NSG!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjCK8tLucQo

:D

I shall go on a year-long journey that will end without a single trace of this 'chosen one'.
After this year of travel, I shall stumble across the chosen one as I return to the council as an abject fai-
...Wait. ...No Star Wars? :(

I'll include a giant world destroying space station at no extra cost just for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjCK8tLucQo

:D

How come people always want me to check out You Tube at midnight when all the whiny people are sleeping and will come out and complain at the slightest change in the ambient noise :(

I'll include a giant world destroying space station at no extra cost just for you. Yes! :D :fluffle:



How come people always want me to check out You Tube at midnight when all the whiny people are sleeping and will come out and complain at the slightest change in the ambient noise :(Your lack of punctuation is disturbing. :)

Your lack of punctuation is disturbing. :)

That's not a moon! Its a run on sentence!

That's not a moon! Its a run on sentence!I have a bad feeling about this.

Why do I have the feeling you retroactively became a devil's advocate in those threads in which you were, for lack of a better descriptor, getting pwned?

I prefer someone who plays a devil's advocate to be, you know, good at it.

I prefer someone who plays a devil's advocate to be, you know, good at it.

Remember that thread where people were actually supposed to play devil's advocate and argue for the other side? Remember how only the crazy left-wing intelligentsia participated? Funny, that.

Why do I have the feeling you retroactively became a devil's advocate in those threads in which you were, for lack of a better descriptor, getting pwned?

Because I stated that I did in the OP???

I prefer someone who plays a devil's advocate to be, you know, good at it.

Wouldn't want to strain any of you guys.

Intentional follies should indicate that I am pretending to hold a belief rather than actually believing it.

Remember that thread where people were actually supposed to play devil's advocate and argue for the other side? Remember how only the crazy left-wing intelligentsia participated? Funny, that.

it's actually pretty sad, that, from my experience, when a leftist tries to "play" right wing, they actually make better arguments than the right wing themselves, whereas in the converse, the right wing seems to think that most liberal arguments boil down to "I want to do what feels good, fuck everyone else, nyah!"

Intentional follies should indicate that I am pretending to hold a belief rather than actually believing it.

Yeah, right, "intentional" :rolleyes:

Yeah, right, "intentional" :rolleyes:

I thought you were the kind of man who liked to get all the facts first rather than jumping to hasty conclusion. You disappoint me.

I shouldn't blame you though, only a few noticed them. Like those posts that contradicted themselves, its unbelievable how many people interpreted them as a single lone argument.

I thought you were the kind of man who liked to get all the facts first rather than jumping to hasty conclusion.

I am. You've provided about 5,318 of them. I'm with Rydan on this. You never "played devil's advocate". Just a stream of nonsensical BS from South "men are like toasters" Lizasauria and, when you got called on it, decided it'd be awful clever of you to try and hit some reboot button while yelling "devil's advocate, I didn't REALLY mean that men can't help but rape women!" The problem is, the motivation is blatantly obvious.

In short, A good arguer doesn't need to point out when he's making his own arguments and when he's playing devil's advocate. A good arguer can stand on the strength of the argument. You, on the other hand, have demonstrated absolutely no ability to make even the slightest bit of a comprehensible argument, thus your "offer" to do so is, at best, laughable, and the fact that you are sitting here trying to convince us that you're really some wonderfully skilled manipulator and you had us all fooled, when you're trying to recover (poorly) from having your ass handed to you so many times, and you actually think we're going to fall for it is, frankly, a little pathetic.

The left may win the arguments but the right has won the world (sadly).

I have a bad feeling about this.

Gauntleted Fist! Why didn't you tell me?

You told me SaintB betrayed and murdered my
father.

I have a bad feeling about this.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c272/smi-o/New%20pix/its-a-trap-cat.gif

I am. You've provided about 5,318 of them. I'm with Rydan on this. You never "played devil's advocate". Just a stream of nonsensical BS from South "men are like toasters" Lizasauria and, when you got called on it, decided it'd be awful clever of you to try and hit some reboot button while yelling "devil's advocate, I didn't REALLY mean that men can't help but rape women!" The problem is, the motivation is blatantly obvious.

In short, A good arguer doesn't need to point out when he's making his own arguments and when he's playing devil's advocate. A good arguer can stand on the strength of the argument. You, on the other hand, have demonstrated absolutely no ability to make even the slightest bit of a comprehensible argument, thus your "offer" to do so is, at best, laughable.

No your not. Your argument is mathamatically flawed. It is unbeleiveable that you'd say that my character hasn't changed one bit over the course of four years and that EVERY SINGLE post was false. That statement alone is nonsensical and childish, and furthermore based on the fact that I know what kind of tactics you use and what kind of people use them, and given that you have recently displayed pompous behavior I believe it is safe to say that you sir are quite childish. Also your "this one thread was nasty so logically because I'm the high and mighty lawyer with a degree and I say so all threads and posts by the poster in question must be equally false even if they state universal facts(including ones preceeding said nasty thread)" And to make sure your zealous mind isn't "confused" I'll make certain the meaning of universal facts are clear (ie, the sky is blue, gravity attracts celestial objects to one another, plants produce food via photosythesis ect ect.)

When you say comprehensive there's the twisted left wing NSG zealot comprehension (which is highly limited) and there's normal comprehension, I am curious as to which kind you speak of.

Gauntleted Fist! Why didn't you tell me?

You told me SaintB betrayed and murdered my
father.

Together we shall rule the Forums!

Because I stated that I did in the OP???

You may want to look up the meaning of the word "retroactive".

Intentional follies should indicate that I am pretending to hold a belief rather than actually believing it.

That's quite handy.

Gauntleted Fist! Why didn't you tell me?

You told me SaintB betrayed and murdered my
father.It was for your own good.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c272/smi-o/New%20pix/its-a-trap-cat.gifAll ships, turn and face the enemy fleet!

No your not. Your argument is mathamatically flawed. It is unbeleiveable that you'd say that my character hasn't changed one bit over the course of four years and that EVERY SINGLE post was false. That statement alone is nonsensical and childish, and furthermore based on the fact that I know what kind of tactics you use and what kind of people use them, and given that you have recently displayed pompous behavior I believe it is safe to say that you sir are quite childish. Also your "this one thread was nasty so logically because I'm the high and mighty lawyer with a degree and I say so all threads and posts by the poster in question must be equally false even if they state universal facts"

How do you expect people to believe that you're capable of giving a good argument in devil's advocate when you can't even write a fucking paragraph that's not so horrifically mangled as to leave me unable to reply because, frankly, I can't even figure out what the fuck you are trying to say?


And to make sure your zealous mind isn't "confused" I'll make certain the meaning of universal facts are clear (ie, the sky is blue, gravity attracts celestial objects to one another, plants produce food via photosythesis ect ect.)

I will respond to this only because by very point it amuses me:

1) the sky is not blue. The sky, being made up of mostly invisible vapors, has no color what so ever. The blue tint you see is a result of dust particles in the atmosphere being the right size to scatter blue wavelengths. But "the sky" being comprised primarily of nitrogen and oxygen, is quite transparent.

2) while it is true that all "green" plants use photosynthesis, it is not a requirement for ALL plants, and not all plants do so.

Hell, two of your three "universal" facts are wrong.

As for the third, jury's still out on that one.

So we're arguing over how/what we're arguing...?

Isn't that a tad bit passe?

How do you expect people to believe that you're capable of giving a good argument in devil's advocate when you can't even write a fucking paragraph that's not so horrifically mangled as to leave me unable to reply because, frankly, I can't even figure out what the fuck you are trying to say?




I will respond to this only because by very point it amuses me:

1) the sky is not blue. The sky, being made up of mostly invisible vapors, has no color what so ever. The blue tint you see is a result of dust particles in the atmosphere being the right size to scatter blue wavelengths. But "the sky" being comprised primarily of nitrogen and oxygen, is quite transparent.

2) while it is true that all "green" plants use photosynthesis, it is not a requirement for ALL plants, and not all plants do so.

Hell, two of your three "universal" facts are wrong.

As for the third, jury's still out on that one.

Your original argument that claimed that every single post of mine remains false, childish, uninformed, mathematically and logistically flawed. How can the deliberately warped toaster thread magically make all posts before and after automatically false?

So we're arguing over how/what we're arguing...?

Isn't that a tad bit passe?

Yeah Rayd and Nart are threadjacking. This is supposed to be a simple list but no, those two had to come in here and commit thread arsen. :rolleyes:

Ive argued the other side on occasion, though it was serious, i wont pretend that i dont believe what i post...

However, Losing arguments are losing arguments...You have to accept defeat and move on to the next Debate...

Complaining about the Political Leanings of the forum members themselves, regardless of what they may be...

Is a waste of time....

The left may win the arguments but the right has won the world (sadly).

Um, no. Didn't you watch the US election? And most of Europe (as well as Canada) are probably more liberal than Obama.

God I'm so tired of defeatism.

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Hey, Rayd (sorry, couldn't resist), know you and I have never been one for the long chats, but between this and the other thread...y'alright? Everything ok tonight?

The left is not a monolith. We don't all agree on everything, and there are varying left wing ideologies that are almost diametrically opposed to each other.

I can list a whole bunch of things I think we need to stop talking about for awhile?

The left is not a monolith. We don't all agree on everything, and there are varying left wing ideologies that are almost diametrically opposed to each other.

Just like the right, honestly. I don't think you're going to find a classical liberal that will ever agree with a neoconservative, or paleoconservatives and neoliberals, and so on.