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Yes. Dwarf Fortress. Either you like it, or you don't. If you don't know what I'm talking about:

1. Shame on you!

2. Google it.

So NSGers who've played or are starting to play DF, what do you think of it?

Already had a thread on this.

Already had a thread on this.
How long ago, four months? Bah, there needs to be a constant stream of these.:D

Eh it's not actually that good -_-

It's like very old game Knights and Merchants, but with more traps and less graphics.

How long ago, four months? Bah, there needs to be a constant stream of these.:D

2 and a half, maybe 3 weeks?

It's like very old game Knights and Merchants, but with more traps and less graphics.

I've just remembered that game. It was soooo good.

Eh it's not actually that good -_-

It's like very old game Knights and Merchants, but with more traps and less graphics.
Are we talking about the same game? DF is nothing like K&M, and is a newer game.
2 and a half, maybe 3 weeks?
I demand a link! *Slams boot on table*

I demand a link! *Slams boot on table*

Here you go: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=570226

It's actually a month old, back when I was Adunabar. *sighs*

I've just remembered that game. It was soooo good.
Damn right. Although it was more like an interactive screensaver than a real game.
Are we talking about the same game?
Yes we are.
DF is nothing like K&M
Aye it is.

"Eh gather resources and make things for an ever-increasing group of denizens, and occassionally defend your settlement with rubbish combat" - see also Settlers, all that kind of pish.

But no! Because it has crap graphics and not entirely inspiring gameplay which is still more than can be said for most roguelikes, it MUST be genius, eh?
and is a newer game.
I am oustandingly aware of this -_-

Damn right. Although it was more like an interactive screensaver than a real game.

Are you saying making sausages and beer, while occasionally fending off 3 attackers is not ridiculously challenging?

Are you saying making sausages and beer, while occasionally fending off 3 attackers is not ridiculously challenging?
Man making sausages was a pure ballache. Pigs took so long to mature.

Man making sausages was a pure ballache. Pigs took so long to mature.

Yeah, but it was worth it. And then there were the stonecutters that took about 3 hours to chip off a piece of gravel.

Yeah, but it was worth it. And then there were the stonecutters that took about 3 hours to chip off a piece of gravel.
Aye, christ. The worst, though, was probably making wine. Christ what a pain. A unit of wood for each square of vineyard? DAYLIGHT BLOODY ROBBERY.

Never heard.

Aye, christ. The worst, though, was probably making wine. Christ what a pain. a unit of wood for each square of vineyard? DAYLIGHT BLOODY ROBBERY.

And the bloke that stamped on it took fucking ages. I can remember being really pissed that it used so much wood as well. Good times.

Never heard.

You've never heard? You might wanna get your hearing tested then.

You've never heard? You might wanna get your hearing tested then.

I meant, I've never heard of Dwarf Fortress. Nor Knights & Merchants.

I meant, I've never heard of Dwarf Fortress. Nor Knights & Merchants.

Then you've never lived. It's forgivable though. You're only 14, so that rules out K&M, and Dwarf Fortress is (rightly) not well known.

Here you go: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=570226

It's actually a month old, back when I was Adunabar. *sighs*
Exactly! A month! Any forum that goes a month without a DF thread is...Is... UNTHINKABLE!


Aye it is.

"Eh gather resources and make things for an ever-increasing group of denizens, and occassionally defend your settlement with rubbish combat" - see also Settlers, all that kind of pish.

That was such an incredibly general description, it could apply to half the games in my computer.

But no! Because it has crap graphics and not entirely inspiring gameplay which is still more than can be said for most roguelikes, it MUST be genius, eh?
No. Because of the sheer freedom it grants you. I don't remember being able to drown entire rooms of people just because you got bored in Settlers or Stronghold. I don't remember being able to encrust swords with gems and then destroy your fortress, return to it in adventurer mode and claim it for yourself in any other game I've played. I don't remember any other game that gives the sheer amount of control and detail over your Dwarfs/People in any other games.

I am oustandingly aware of this -_-
Good, good. Are you aware it's still in alpha form?
I meant, I've never heard of Dwarf Fortress. Nor Knights & Merchants.
You should find it. Namely here. (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/)

That was such an incredibly general description, it could apply to half the games in my computer.

Get better games then.

You should find it. Namely here. (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/)

I don't want to find DF.

Exactly! A month! Any forum that goes a month without a DF thread is...Is... BLESSED!

Fixed

I don't want to find DF.
Fixed
Heresy!

*Marks WMU and Dyakova for slaughter. Waits as Butcher Dwarf throws a tantrum, enters a fey mood, slaughters a dwarf, makes gloves out of him and drowns self in river*

*Marks WMU and Dyakova for slaughter. Waits as Butcher Dwarf throws a tantrum, enters a fey mood, slaughters a dwarf, makes gloves out of him and drowns self in river*

*sends army of 3 blokes with spears and one on a horse, dies of boredom before they destroy the dwarves and knock down solid stone structures with small implements*

That was such an incredibly general description, it could apply to half the games in my computer.
GZ, you may too now have commercial success in games development.
No. Because of the sheer freedom it grants you.
Oh of course -_-
I don't remember being able to drown entire rooms of people just because you got bored in Settlers
Quite true. On the other hand the effort required to drown them is less than to Alt-F4 and play something better.
or Stronghold.
No, but then you can fling diseased cows at your plebs in Stronghold, which is always a lol.
I don't remember being able to encrust swords with gems
BOOOOORING.
and then destroy your fortress
Can just knock things down in any game of this kind...
return to it in adventurer mode and claim it for yourself in any other game I've played.
Adventurer mode is crap and dull.
I don't remember any other game that gives the sheer amount of control and detail over your Dwarfs/People in any other games.
Space colony, my good man. Also allowed you to turn of the oxygen if you got bored.
Good, good. Are you aware it's still in alpha form?
Aye, not really a redeeming feature in my opinion.

"Aye this is pure pish"
"Is an alpha"
"Eh why not just test it within the dev team a few others until you make something good, then?"

*sends army of 3 blokes with spears and one on a horse, dies of boredom before they destroy the dwarves and knock down solid stone structures with small implements*

Which version have you been playing?

Which version have you been playing?

I'm talking about the insane, high octane fun that was warfare in K&M.

I'm talking about the insane, high octane fun that was warfare in K&M.
Damn right. Crap death animations and all.

*drops some Armored Paratrooper Bears to eat the Dwarven children*

Damn right. Crap death animations and all.

Is it possible to download K&M? I'm getting interested in it, just because of the bashing.

Damn right. Crap death animations and all.

You call dissolving, while surrounded by what appears to be steam, crap? I think not my man.

GZ, you may too now have commercial success in games development.

:confused:

Oh of course -_-

I see. Why do you hate freedom?

Quite true. On the other hand the effort required to drown them is less than to Alt-F4 and play something better.

Something better? Like what? I can't think of any better PC games to play, except maybe World In Conflict. My only problem with DF is that it's a little slow near the beginning.

No, but then you can fling diseased cows at your plebs in Stronghold, which is always a lol.

As opposed to trapping dwarves in a room full of diseased, dead cows?

BOOOOORING.

Bah.

Can just knock things down in any game of this kind...

Knock down? I'm talking about flooding the entire fortress with water and later coming back to it and finding it full of dead dwarves.

Adventurer mode is crap and dull.

I liked setting a human village on fire and watching everyone suffocate in the smoke.

Space colony, my good man. Also allowed you to turn of the oxygen if you got bored.

Did it allow you to make boots out of the skin of your comrades? That's what I thought.

Aye, not really a redeeming feature in my opinion.

"Aye this is pure pish"
"Is an alpha"
"Eh why not just test it within the dev team a few others until you make something good, then?"

"This is an awesome game!"
"It's only an alpha!"
"Holy crap! Imagine how incredible it'll be when it's a beta!"
"Or finished!"

I remember hearing how games like this and games like The Sims disprove the concept of a loving God. With how much fun we all seem to take in finding creative ways to torture and kill the people in the game, I'm inclined to see that as the strongest anti-God argument I've ever heard. :p

As opposed to trapping dwarves in a room full of diseased, dead cows?

Can you actually do that? And even if you can, it's not as fun as throwing things at them.

Can you actually do that? And even if you can, it's not as fun as throwing things at them.

Yes you can. I've done it too many times to count. *Curses worthless immigrant dwarfs*

Yes you can. I've done it too many times to count. *Curses worthless immigrant dwarfs*

I still stand by my 2nd point.

Is it possible to download K&M? I'm getting interested in it, just because of the bashing.

Not sure, but here's a page on it (http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/knights-merchants)

I see. Why do you hate freedom?
I don't hate freedom, I hate adding minor, pointless additions to games in lieu of actual polish, and claiming that you've giving people freedom.
Something better? Like what? I can't think of any better PC games to play, except maybe World In Conflict. My only problem with DF is that it's a little slow near the beginning.
Eh the whole Homeworld series (esp the first), Max Payne, World of Warcraft, Sins of a Solar Empire, almost any Source engine game, Silent Hunter III or IV and so, so much more.
As opposed to trapping dwarves in a room full of diseased, dead cows?
Eh being mean to dwarves is less funny and takes more effort than a spot of class warfare à la Stronghold.
Bah.
Aye exactly.
Knock down? I'm talking about flooding the entire fortress with water and later coming back to it and finding it full of dead dwarves.

I liked setting a human village on fire and watching everyone suffocate in the smoke.
In crappy adventure mode which is like a pissweak Zangband.
Did it allow you to make boots out of the skin of your comrades? That's what I thought.
See earlier comment about worthless features.
"This is an awesome game!"
"It's only an alpha!"
"Holy crap! Imagine how incredible it'll be when it's a beta!"
"Or finished!"
Aye the inherent weakness of your argument is that it's not actually an awesome game. It's a passable toybox of very minor features for the sake of 'freedom' combined with a pretty dull overall game.

Just looks like a bunch of random symbols to me. Yes I've played various Roguelike games (ADOM, Nethack) so it's not that. It's just very confusing.

The closes I got to any of that stuff was Majesty. A pretty amusing game, but no real economic complexity.
Still, watching those gnomes run around getting eaten by giant rats and trolls was pretty fun. Substantially less fun was shouting in frustration while a level 30 Death Priestess fried herself on a Vampire's spell-reflecting shield. QUIT TRYING TO CURSE HIM, YOU IDIOT! THE SPELL IS ONLY BOUNCING BACK AND HITTING YOU!
But she'd just keep going, assuming (I guess) that the vampire would become embarrassed for her and go away. Then I'd have to spend another $10,000 to resurrect her sorry butt.

The closes I got to any of that stuff was Majesty. A pretty amusing game, but no real economic complexity.
That the one which was basically like a fantasy Jagged Alliance, albeit with you being their paymaster?

I don't hate freedom, I hate adding minor, pointless additions to games in lieu of actual polish, and claiming that you've giving people freedom.

Name one minor, pointless addition.

Eh the whole Homeworld series (esp the first), Max Payne, World of Warcraft, Sins of a Solar Empire, almost any Source engine game, Silent Hunter III or IV and so, so much more.

Never played homeworld, Max Paine is kinda meh. WoW, well, I'd much rather be spring-cleaning then playing that monstrousity. It's about the same, except WoW requires a little less exercise and has thousands of idiots running around yelling about how great they are, and all that crud. Sins of a Solar Empire is okay, not my favorite game, but not as good as World In Conflict or DF. I'm unfamiliar with Source Engine and Silent Hunter.

Eh being mean to dwarves is less funny and takes more effort than a spot of class warfare à la Stronghold.

Says you. It takes more effort but is far more rewarding.

In crappy adventure mode which is like a pissweak Zangband.

The Adventurer mode is much better then Zangband, which sucks. Just like Angband. And all of it's variants.

See earlier comment about worthless features.

See earlier inquiry about which features were worthless.

Aye the inherent weakness of your argument is that it's not actually an awesome game. It's a passable toybox of very minor features for the sake of 'freedom' combined with a pretty dull overall game.
The inherent weakness of your argument (And now that I look at it, mine too) is that you're assuming a game that might be as boring as hell for one person can't be one of the greatest games of all time for another.

Name one minor, pointless addition.

The entire game?

The entire game?

That's a pretty major pointless addition.

That's a pretty major pointless addition.

true

The entire game?

That's a pretty major pointless addition.

true

:rolleyes:

Name one minor, pointless addition.
Eh adding gems, all that skinning and boots pish, the entirety of the Adventurer mode, the whole Nobles thing etc.
Never played homeworld
Well worth it.
Max Paine is kinda meh.
It's great times.
WoW, well, I'd much rather be spring-cleaning then playing that monstrousity. It's about the same, except WoW requires a little less exercise and has thousands of idiots running around yelling about how great they are, and all that crud.
You ever actually play WoW?

It's genuinely not people running about and yelling how great they are, it's more a way to kick about with yer pals without spending a load of money at the pub etc.
Sins of a Solar Empire is okay, not my favorite game, but not as good as World In Conflict or DF.
Rather different kettle of fish to WiC, which I'll admit is pretty great. Excellent online.
I'm unfamiliar with Source Engine and [QUOTE]
The Source engine = Half Life 2, Portal, the newer Vampire game, Counter-Strike : Source and Day of Defeat : Source plus that Team Fortress 2 lark.
[QUOTE]Silent Hunter.
Well worth a look.
Says you. It takes more effort but is far more rewarding.
Eh they all die either way, reward is the same.
The Adventurer mode is much better then Zangband, which sucks. Just like Angband. And all of it's variants.
You are wrong and mad.
The inherent weakness of your argument (And now that I look at it, mine too) is that you're assuming a game that might be as boring as hell for one person can't be one of the greatest games of all time for another.
It's pure pish.

Eh adding gems, all that skinning and boots pish, the entirety of the Adventurer mode, the whole Nobles thing etc.

Amazing, it's almost like it's simulating a dwarf fortress. Who would have ever guessed that?

Eh adding gems, all that skinning and boots pish, the entirety of the Adventurer mode, the whole Nobles thing etc.

The adding gems is a neat addition, the skinning and all is interesting, even more so when they kill their fellow dwarves and name their items, adventurer mode is great, the nobles...

Well, fine, I'll give you that. The nobles are pointless.

Well worth it.

I'll look into it sometime.

It's great times.

Meh.

You ever actually play WoW?

It's genuinely not people running about and yelling how great they are, it's more a way to kick about with yer pals without spending a load of money at the pub etc.

If I wanted to spend time with my pals without spending a load of money, I'd start up Warcraft Three, which is a few thousand times better.

Rather different kettle of fish to WiC, which I'll admit is pretty great. Excellent online.

Yeah. Only problem is once someone gets the tactical nuke, your drop zone is instantly reduced to a pile of smoking debris, right after you called in those extra three heavy artillery units.

The Source engine = Half Life 2, Portal, the newer Vampire game, Counter-Strike : Source and Day of Defeat : Source plus that Team Fortress 2 lark.

Ah, yes, Portal. Great game.

Well worth a look.

I'll look into it.

Eh they all die either way, reward is the same.

Except for the fact that in one they go insane before hand, which is rather amusing. One moment they'll adopt a pet, the next moment it's limbs are strewn all over the room.

You are wrong and mad.

Angband is possible the worst Roguelike ever.

Minus that piss-poor ToME module with the pop singers.

It's pure pish.
It's the best roguelike.

Amazing, it's almost like it's simulating a dwarf fortress. Who would have ever guessed that?

Holy crap! I thought the name was just for show!:headbang: