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That's right. My opinion on Obama has changed. Having escaped the madness of the US election season, I can finally see everything clearly. Obama was the best choice.

but...Why CM? Are you teh ebil librulz now?
Ha! Hardly. But what we need right now, during this time in our nation, controversy everywhere and an upcoming depression, and countless other problems, is not a president I agree with, but a president who can unite the nation. And, excluding the racist rednecks who live next door to me, Obama can do that. He has the charisma, the intelligence, and the widespread appeal. I believe that he can, and hopefully will, unite this nation.

McCain could've united this nation!
Not really. McCain wouldn't have united this nation any more then most people. He would've been yet another forgotten Republican president that every fifth-grader struggles to remember during his history quiz. Unless he went off and did something really stupid, or died in office. Either way, he couldn't have done what I hope Obama will do.

What about third-parties?
Bob Barr, and other third-parties and independents, had about a snowball's chance in hell of winning this election.

What was the point of this thread?
Hmm? Just to announce my changed opinion on Obama to the rest of NSG. Oh, and to find out if anyone else has had their opinion changed about Obama.

Well?

Who's this Obama fella everyone keeps harping on about?

He's the new internet sensation, best buds with Gordon Brown.

He's the new internet sensation...
The old dude who wants to abolish money?

Just because President Obama says I unite you he cant unite liberal and conservative economic views. While the president who will never lie to you, lol. The president of change you can believe in, lol. has made many so called centrist Clinton democrat appointments to his cabinet. I think he thinks he can govern from the left no matter who is in his cabinet. As long as they carry out whatever Obama considers change. Change can mean alot of different things to many persons. The kind of change you get may not be the kind of change you voted for. At least is too early to say one can change their mind on Obama.

Oh right. I get my internet sensations and new world order mixed up all the time.

I'll give him a chance...many of his appointments, especially his economic team, look really good and I hope he'll be able to deliver the same successful formula that produced such massive economic gains in the 1990's. After all, remember how many people whined about Clinton at the beginning of his term and then ended up giving him the highest post-term approval rating of any president since WWII?

We shall see whether he delivers on his promises or fails and ends up as unpopular as his predecessor.

Just because President Obama says I unite you he cant unite liberal and conservative economic views. While the president who will never lie to you, lol. The president of change you can believe in, lol. has made many so called centrist Clinton democrat appointments to his cabinet. I think he thinks he can govern from the left no matter who is in his cabinet. As long as they carry out whatever Obama considers change. Change can mean alot of different things to many persons. The kind of change you get may not be the kind of change you voted for. At least is too early to say one can change their mind on Obama.
Oh, boy. Where do I start?

1. I never said he could unite Liberal and Conservative Economic views. I said he could unite the country.

2. I never said he wouldn't lie.

3. Fix your grammar, your post is hard to read.

4. Just because they're 'centrists' doesn't mean that they're spineless.

5. Really, fix your grammar.

6. I can change my mind whenever I want to. If you have a problem with that, too bad.

7. I didn't vote this election.

8. Stop using 'lol' so much.

9. No, really. Fix your grammar.

I'll give him a chance...many of his appointments, especially his economic team, look really good and I hope he'll be able to deliver the same successful formula that produced such massive economic gains in the 1990's. After all, remember how many people whined about Clinton at the beginning of his term and then ended up giving him the highest post-term approval rating of any president since WWII?

We shall see whether he delivers on his promises or fails and ends up as unpopular as his predecessor.

Well no-one is getting prosecuted under Obama. So I suppose that looks good.

Really though I'm not that impressed with the appointments.

Well no-one is getting prosecuted under Obama. So I suppose that looks good.

Really though I'm not that impressed with the appointments.

They look like a solid mix of people that are strong on the side of increased regulation but are also able to resist the foolish calls for protectionism and quotas in favor of free trade, which has been proven to work and which has enabled our economy to weather this crisis far better than it would have were we not as strongly integrated in to the world economy.

I mean, if people think this is bad, imagine if it happened when the US compromised 50% of the world economy as it did after WWII. The bigger, broader world economy of today leaves us more room to absorb economic shocks than it would have in years past.

They look like a solid mix of people that are strong on the side of increased regulation but are also able to resist the foolish calls for protectionism and quotas in favor of free trade, which has been proven to work and which has enabled our economy to weather this crisis far better than it would have were we not as strongly integrated in to the world economy.

I mean, if people think this is bad, imagine if it happened when the US compromised 50% of the world economy as it did after WWII. The bigger, broader world economy of today leaves us more room to absorb economic shocks than it would have in years past.

So far I'm fairly happy with the team he's putting together. I feel sorry for the far right-wingers though: If he picks someone who ever did anything whatsoever under Clinton, he's lied about change, if he picks someone else (The AZ Governor for example) they're not qualified. Who do they want? Bush appointees? I know they don't want Carter ones.....

I'll give him a chance...many of his appointments, especially his economic team, look really good and I hope he'll be able to deliver the same successful formula that produced such massive economic gains in the 1990's. After all, remember how many people whined about Clinton at the beginning of his term and then ended up giving him the highest post-term approval rating of any president since WWII?

We shall see whether he delivers on his promises or fails and ends up as unpopular as his predecessor.

I nominate Vetalia for President of the USA in 2012. If not a native born US citizen, nor a US American, lets make Vetalia elegible for President of the USA in 2012. Always wanted to RP with Vetalia, came close but Vetalia rejected my diplomatic efforts. So this endorsement is a compliment.

They look like a solid mix of people that are strong on the side of increased regulation but are also able to resist the foolish calls for protectionism and quotas in favor of free trade, which has been proven to work and which has enabled our economy to weather this crisis far better than it would have were we not as strongly integrated in to the world economy.

I mean, if people think this is bad, imagine if it happened when the US compromised 50% of the world economy as it did after WWII. The bigger, broader world economy of today leaves us more room to absorb economic shocks than it would have in years past.

I agree that the call to protectionism should be ignored.

But we do need an internal purging also.

The regulation thing is a red herring. My take is either let market discipline do it's job, or regulate. Obama's appointments are the same old same old that got us in this mess, because they like the market when it suits, and they like government intervention when that suits too.

You can't run an economy that way.

S&P below 600 next year, barring actual printing.

Congratulations on figuring out something most people did months ago.

You can't run an economy that way.

S&P below 600 next year, barring actual printing.

I think we're looking at that in the first half, with a bottom in the mid 500's stemming from capitulation. Substantial recovery will probably be deferred until 2010, although it's hard to tell if this will mark the start of a secular bear market (likely) or a new secular bull market; for the past eight years, the market has been caught between the two and it's time to get some real direction.

I'll suspend judgment for now, but if he pardons the Bushies for war crimes, him and me are going to war as far as our president and citizen relations are concerned.

Congratulations on figuring out something most people did months ago.
:rolleyes:

It is said their are alot of leftist liberals on the internet upset with the more moderate Clinton appointments of President Obama.

I was expecting Bill Richardson for Secretary of State. Sen Christopher Dodd for Secretary of Defense, perhaps Sen John Kerry. The only problem with Christopher Dodd who also happens to speak perfect fluent spanish is the governor of Connecticut is a Republican. Who might then appoint a Republican Senator to the seat.

Perhaps someone can make a thread on whom do you think President Obama should choose or have chosen for all his cabinet appointments. More than one option allowed. Secretary of Defense Gates is supposed to stay on for about a year.

A Public Poll with a few persons for, you think should be in President Obama's cabinet and an option for others. Without giving the positions for in the poll. That part you post.

Since I am not pro Obama I dont feel like making the thread myself, lol.

I'll suspend judgment for now, but if he pardons the Bushies for war crimes, him and me are going to war as far as our president and citizen relations are concerned.

Hold on, Nixon sure as hell never did anything about LBJ's war crimes, which were a hell of a lot worse than any of Bush's activities, so what leads you to believe anything would happen to Bush?

He's extremely intelligent and surrounds himself with extremely intelligent people. It's a good sign, but I'm keenly aware that he's an extraordinarily skilled politician and can pretty much sell ice cubes to eskimos.

Still, say what you want about the man, at least he's competent. That's a step up from what we have already. ;)

Hold on, Nixon sure as hell never did anything about LBJ's war crimes, which were a hell of a lot worse than any of Bush's activities, so what leads you to believe anything would happen to Bush?

For some reason the idea of Nixon chasing LBJ for war crimes makes me laugh. Just my weird sense of humor.

For some reason the idea of Nixon chasing LBJ for war crimes makes me laugh.

Yeah, but if Nixon didn't do it...who the hell would ever have the gall to do so? He was probably the most likely to do so because he had no moral scruples whatsoever.

I mean, "even Nixon didn't do it" is as good as saying something is 100% impossible.

I think we're looking at that in the first half, with a bottom in the mid 500's stemming from capitulation. Substantial recovery will probably be deferred until 2010, although it's hard to tell if this will mark the start of a secular bear market (likely) or a new secular bull market; for the past eight years, the market has been caught between the two and it's time to get some real direction.

I'm an optimist. So it is my contention that we have been in a secular bear market since 2000, with an extraordinary cyclical bull.

But yeah, the 400-600 range is on the cards.

However if the corruption and mal-investment doesn't get washed out, i.e., the government keeps up supporting failed businesses, I think we could get back to 1982 levels.

Cocktail napkin charting: If the S&P breaks 700, then we are looking for an ultimate retest of the 1982 lows. (Pure technical stuff though, so your MMV).

I didn't believe that Obama would be able to accomplish what he set out to do. I am impressed by his accomplishment but I remain a tad concerned with some of his processes, but at this point in time, he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

As far as "change" is concerned, only time will tell whether he will be able to accomplish his lofty goals. I hope that he will lead America out of the dark days of the Bushies!!

Hold on, Nixon sure as hell never did anything about LBJ's war crimes, which were a hell of a lot worse than any of Bush's activities, so what leads you to believe anything would happen to Bush?

I'm unfamiliar with LBJ's war crimes, although I'm pretty sure they don't include violating the Geneva Conventions with respect to our own citizens.

Not to be blunt, but a racist S.O.B. like Nixon wasn't going to prosecute for LBJ's war crimes against a bunch of Vietnamese no-names because it didn't matter to Nixon. Obama not prosecuting people for what happened to our own people in Gitmo, however, is another matter entirely.

Oh, boy. Where do I start?

1. I never said he could unite Liberal and Conservative Economic views. I said he could unite the country.

2. I never said he wouldn't lie.

3. Fix your grammar, your post is hard to read.

4. Just because they're 'centrists' doesn't mean that they're spineless.

5. Really, fix your grammar.

6. I can change my mind whenever I want to. If you have a problem with that, too bad.

7. I didn't vote this election.

8. Stop using 'lol' so much.

9. No, really. Fix your grammar.

Ignore Miami Shores. Until Obama invades Cuba, offs both Castros and brings Elian Gonzalez back to Florida (against his will) via Delta Force, Miami Shores has nothing pleasent to say about the president-elect.

Im all about critizism of the leadership. As long as its, you know, valid.

Ignore Miami Shores. Until Obama invades Cuba, offs both Castros and brings Elian Gonzalez back to Florida (against his will) via Delta Force, Miami Shores has nothing pleasent to say about the president-elect.

Im all about critizism of the leadership. As long as its, you know, valid.

Who's this Alien Gonzo we're talking about here? I kid, I kid.

Ignore Miami Shores. Until Obama invades Cuba, offs both Castros and brings Elian Gonzalez back to Florida (against his will) via Delta Force, Miami Shores has nothing pleasent to say about the president-elect.

Im all about critizism of the leadership. As long as its, you know, valid.
What, no heart attack? No sarcastic remark? *looks over his OP again*

Are you sure you know that I, CM, posted that?:p

...LBJ's war crimes, which were a hell of a lot worse than any of Bush's activities...

Not a fan of LBJ by any means, but Im calling you for a source or explaination on this.

What, no heart attack? No sarcastic remark? *looks over his OP again*

Are you sure you know that I, CM, posted that?:p

Hey, youve come over to the light, and at least are giving the president elect the benefit of the doubt and not foaming at the mouth, making up insane accusations, doomsaying, and repeating debunked old lies from the election.


Why would I mock you for being rational?:p

Hey, youve come over to the light, and at least are giving the president elect the benefit of the doubt and not foaming at the mouth, making up insane accusations, doomsaying, and repeating debunked old lies from the election.


Why would I mock you for being rational?:p

Because its fun mocking CM? ;)

Hey, youve come over to the light, and at least are giving the president elect the benefit of the doubt and not foaming at the mouth, making up insane accusations, doomsaying, and repeating debunked old lies from the election.


Why would I mock you for being rational?:p

Well, you've done stranger things before...:tongue:

Well, you've done stranger things before...:tongue:Says the guy with the "Jacket if on fire!" avatar. :p

Says the guy with the "Jacket if on fire!" avatar. :p

Yeah, and now it's on my pants!Cookie if you get it

Yeah, and now it's on my pants!Cookie if you get it

No, but seriously. How can you like Obama? Hes a communist who will take all ur moneyz and institute shariah.


But worst of all, hes a ******!

(Happy now?)

Yeah, and now it's on my pants!Cookie if you get itWithout a cookie I be. :(

No, but seriously. How can you like Obama? Hes a communist who will take all ur moneyz and institute shariah.


But worst of all, hes a ******!

(Happy now?)NO! :mad:
I demand more wild and insane accusations, with absolutely no proof to back them up!

NO! :mad:
I demand more wild and insane accusations, with absolutely no proof to back them up!

Well, this forum is full of 'em.

Well, this forum is full of 'em.

Would it be NSG without them?

Well, this forum is full of 'em.Way to ruin my fun. Now I have to actually look for the things.

Oh, and CM, welcome to the light side. (In which I am frequently denied cookies. Grrr.):)

Not a fan of LBJ by any means, but Im calling you for a source or explaination on this.

AFAIK, Bush never approved the use of chemical warfare in Iraq; the use of the "rainbow agent" defoliants were an unacceptable action that caused untold suffering and damage to innocent civilians and soldiers on all sides. It's also highly possible other nerve agents and some biological weapons were tested during the war, although it's not something that can be confirmed due to the difficulty of separating them from conventional deaths from combat and disease. Nor has the Iraq war resulted in the deaths of over 5.5 million civilians, many of whom were lost as part of indiscriminate bombing campaigns. Plus, the US is at least attempting to build a democratic regime in Iraq whereas in Vietnam we were basically buddying up with a brutal, corrupt dictatorship that did nothing but oppress its people and kill many innocents for opposing it.

Plus, if you thought the justification for the Iraq War was bad...just look at the Gulf of Tonkin. I mean, at least they were lying about real threats like WMDs and Al Qaeda before the Iraq war whereas Johnson and his cronies managed to make a case for war based on absolutely nothing.

And I mean nothing. We're talking a single bullet's worth of damage fired by the, ahem, "North Vietnamese Navy" on a US destroyer with aircraft carriers and other ships in the vicinity. Even Bush had more reason for war than that...

AFAIK, Bush never approved the use of chemical warfare in Iraq; the use of the "rainbow agent" defoliants were an unacceptable action that caused untold suffering and damage to innocent civilians and soldiers on all sides. It's also highly possible other nerve agents and some biological weapons were tested during the war, although it's not something that can be confirmed due to the difficulty of separating them from conventional deaths from combat and disease. Nor has the Iraq war resulted in the deaths of over 5.5 million civilians, many of whom were lost as part of indiscriminate bombing campaigns. Plus, the US is at least attempting to build a democratic regime in Iraq whereas in Vietnam we were basically buddying up with a brutal, corrupt dictatorship that did nothing but oppress its people and kill many innocents for opposing it.

Plus, if you thought the justification for the Iraq War was bad...just look at the Gulf of Tonkin. I mean, at least they were lying about real threats like WMDs and Al Qaeda before the Iraq war whereas Johnson and his cronies managed to make a case for war based on absolutely nothing.

And I mean nothing. We're talking a single bullet's worth of damage fired by the, ahem, "North Vietnamese Navy" on a US destroyer with aircraft carriers and other ships in the vicinity. Even Bush had more reason for war than that...


Yeah, the minute you posted all this, I remembered. Had a brain fart.

All though I wouldnt say what Bush has done wasnt as bad. LBJ never took a steaming dump on the Constitution.

Yeah, the minute you posted all this, I remembered. Had a brain fart.

All though I wouldnt say what Bush has done wasnt as bad. LBJ never took a steaming dump on the Constitution.

Plus, he did do some good things like pass and enforce the Civil Rights Act, greatly expand the scope of scientific and technological research, expand infrastructure and create the Medicare/Medicaid system as part of the Great Society.

With Bush, we got a bunch of deficits, a huge spike in income inequality and absolutely no meaningful progress on infrastructure, healthcare, science and technology except the revitalization of NASA, which was one of the few bright spots in his administration. What a goddamn good deal. We got all the war but none of the progress.

Just because President Obama says I unite you he cant unite liberal and conservative economic views. While the president who will never lie to you, lol. The president of change you can believe in, lol. has made many so called centrist Clinton democrat appointments to his cabinet. I think he thinks he can govern from the left no matter who is in his cabinet. As long as they carry out whatever Obama considers change. Change can mean alot of different things to many persons. The kind of change you get may not be the kind of change you voted for. At least is too early to say one can change their mind on Obama.

Oh boy, another Miami Shores rant.

Oh boy, another Miami Shores rant.

Boy, what I wouldn't do to hear Cuba televise Elian Gonzalez saying "I don't want to go to Miami, STFU" or something to that effect.

Boy, what I wouldn't do to hear Cuba televise Elian Gonzalez saying "I don't want to go to Miami, STFU" or something to that effect.

Let's just give Miami to Cuba. Problem solved.

Boy, what I wouldn't do to hear Cuba televise Elian Gonzalez saying "I don't want to go to Miami, STFU" or something to that effect.There was that article (http://havanajournal.com/culture/entry/elian_gonzalez_now_11_years_old/) about him back in 2005.

And this one, (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/17/world/main4185799.shtml) where he joined the Young Communist Union in 2008 (June.).

this one, (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/17/world/main4185799.shtml) where he joined the Young Communist Union in 2008 (June.).

A child in a Communist country joining the Young Communist organization? This is unheard of! Seriously, you could hate Communism as much as anybody but joining the communist youth organizations was and always will be a really, really good idea if you like some degree of freedom and getting a good job.

A child in a Communist country joining the Young Communist organization? This is unheard of! Seriously, you could hate Communism as much as anybody but joining the communist youth organizations was and always will be a really, really good idea if you like some degree of freedom and getting a good job.

Yes, but if Elian joined of his own free will and proudly declared himself a Commie without coercion the irony at the expense of the Exile Community would be lulz.

A child in a Communist country joining the Young Communist organization? This is unheard of! Seriously, you could hate Communism as much as anybody but joining the communist youth organizations was and always will be a really, really good idea if you like some degree of freedom and getting a good job.I hold nothing against him for doing it.

Yes, but if Elian joined of his own free will and proudly declared himself a Commie without coercion the irony at the expense of the Exile Community would be lulz.Yes, it would.

I have nothing against him for doing it.

I'd be more worried if he didn't, because that means he'll have one hell of a lousy life. At least now he has a future.

I'd be more worried if he didn't, because that means he'll have one hell of a lousy life. At least now he has a future.Exactly.

He's the new internet sensation, best buds with Gordon Brown.

Last I saw, he was on The Cobra Snake with Corey Kennedy.

i share much of the scepticism with many of his appointments going in, but i never doubted and don't doubt now, that he was the best realistically available choice.

i would have named a very different cabinet. i would like to have seen a number of the even less likely candidates win. NOT bob barr, but kussenich or gravell or cynthia mckenney. there are even one or two who never threw their hats in the ring, whome i know wouldn't have stood a chance, whome i would like to have seen.

i also think its too early to tell about a lot of things, about how a lot of policy dicisions are going to shape up and fall out. and i AM looking forward to actually seeing what the're going to turn out to be. i KNOW the're not going to completely please me. i seriously doubt there is any one of us any decision maker is ever going to entirely please, probably even themselves. so i'm just going to have to wait on see on a lot of it, and as i said, i AM looking forward to doing so.

i would have named a very different cabinet. i would like to have seen a number of the even less likely candidates win. NOT bob barr, but kussenich or gravell or cynthia mckenney. there are even one or two who never threw their hats in the ring, whome i know wouldn't have stood a chance, whome i would like to have seen.

Kucinich? You mean the guy who drove Cleveland so far in to the ground that he has the reputation of presiding over the first city to ever default on its debt?

I watched his interview with Barbara Walters on 20/20 and i was impressed with the way he held himself. He didnt ever have to stop and think about his answers, he was very smooth and confident and self assured. Just what we need right now for a President.

Not a fan of LBJ by any means, but Im calling you for a source or explaination on this.

Google the following:

For Foreign Goodness:
Pheonix Program
Pentagon Papers

Domestically:
FBI COINTELPRO (FBI's bugging of MLK and other domestic opposition elements), There were a huge number of others, but most of them remain (surprise) Classified.

There's a reason the tinfoil-hats sometimes point at Johnson as the man who made sure Kennedy died. The main difference in Domestic terms being that Unlike Johnson, Bush had someone watching over his shoulder, which makes getting away with it much more difficult.

For some reason the idea of Nixon chasing LBJ for war crimes makes me laugh. Just my weird sense of humor.

Now I'm picturing a series of scenes of LBJ hiding in a cheesy disguise (trenchcoat/hat, glasses/mustache, etc.), Nixon chasing him and holding papers, sped up, all to Benny Hill music.

Awesome. Now I can't even take them seriously anymore. :tongue:

Now I'm picturing a series of scenes of LBJ hiding in a cheesy disguise (trenchcoat/hat, glasses/mustache, etc.), Nixon chasing him and holding papers, sped up, all to Benny Hill music.

Awesome. Now I can't even take them seriously anymore. :tongue:

*Has vision of a paper falling out of Nixon's coat, which then picked up by a FBI agent, who then goes chasing after both Nixon and LBJ*

*Has vision of a paper falling out of Nixon's coat, which then picked up by a FBI agent, who then goes chasing after both Nixon and LBJ*

Don't forget to have Jerry Ford in there-as master of pratfalls he's GOT to be in there somewhere!

Don't forget to have Jerry Ford in there-as master of pratfalls he's GOT to be in there somewhere!


And LG with a catapult full of pies! Now who can forget that?!!? :tongue:

*Suddenly Harry Truman bursts into the vision cussing at everyone*