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In Europe, the media is afraid that some redneck lunatic will kill Obama.

And why not? Many American presidents were shot in the past. Some survived, some didn’t.

I can imagine that an almost black person as a president is making sheet wearing ‘people’ very nervous.

I certainly hope that no one will kill or hurt Obama, but I’m afraid for his future.

What’s your idea?

The European media can't be bothered to investigate and write proper stories. That is what I think.

Poll is slanted.

No option for they won't kill him but not everyone likes Obama

Poll is slanted.

No option for they won't kill him but not everyone likes Obama

There's no option for people who like Obama but still want to kill him either.

I don't think so. His election was so apparent, that I doubt there's anyone out there who's competent enough to pose a serious threat would still be angry that a Black man won.
If he'd won a la GWB 2000 I would bet on it. But as it was, he won so comfortably that I think all but a very few totally insane racists still care about his skin colour.
Most ppl are more concerned with still having a job next year for one thing!

I also expect that the Secret Service has pumped up his protection because of this fear, so the opportunity to do something is severely diminished.

I don't think so. His election was so apparent, that I doubt there's anyone out there who's competent enough to pose a serious threat would still be angry that a Black man won.
If he'd won a la GWB 2000 I would bet on it. But as it was, he won so comfortably that I think all but a very few totally insane racists still care about his skin colour.
Most ppl are more concerned with still having a job next year for one thing!

I also expect that the Secret Service has pumped up his protection because of this fear, so the opportunity to do something is severely diminished.

The Secret Service can't prevent all. Ronald Reagan, to name one, was shot as well.
And some Monica managed to get closer to a president than one could imagine.
I mean, there will be always possibilities to kill a president.

I agree that most threats will come from totally insane racists. Let us hope they all keep their job the next 4 (or 8 ?) years.

You're citing Monica Lewinsky as a failure of the Secret Service?

You're citing Monica Lewinsky as a failure of the Secret Service?

No. But if Monica can get that close, other can do it as well.

I mean, the president is not locked in some safe room, he has to meet people. Which is a risk.

I think he'll be fine. There might be an attempt or two, but I don't think they're gonna be able to kill him.

There's only a small group of lunatics who'd go as far as killing him, no matter how much they dislike him. The Secret Service are aware of the danger, and if they do their job with anything nearing competence he'll be fine. There's a very small possibility someone will slip through, but it is exactly that: a very small possibility

No. But if Monica can get that close, other can do it as well.

I mean, the president is not locked in some safe room, he has to meet people. Which is a risk.

its not the secret services job to protect the president from a blow job. She was an intern with a security clearance

its not the secret services job to protect the president from a blow job. She was an intern with a security clearance

Her pass was reading: "Access to all areas"

Her pass was reading: "Access to all areas"

And she was vetted before being allowed to have such a pass. It's not like they hand those things out like candy.

The European media can't be bothered to investigate and write proper stories. That is what I think.


And the American media is just brilliant at reporting everything

And she was vetted before being allowed to have such a pass. It's not like they hand those things out like candy.

the president hand selects them.

And the American media is just brilliant at reporting everything

No I don't think they are, in fact the media world wide by and by are pretty crap.

And the American media is just brilliant at reporting everything

European news isn't that embedded. So we don’t know the facts and only the facts. ;)

Lets just say I wouldn't want to stand next to Obama.

Just as dangerous as standing next to Prince Harry in Afghanistan.

Lets just say I wouldn't want to stand next to Obama.

Just as dangerous as standing next to Prince Harry in Afghanistan.

The bodyguards will earn a triple salary.

the president hand selects them.

The Secret Service still performs their background checks and unless I'm much mistaken, are the ones who issue the passes.

Didn't the KKK say that they'd rather he live so his govt. can fail miserably?

Poll is slanted.

No option for they won't kill him but not everyone likes Obama

This.

Their have been many Presidents. None have been universally loved; indeed many, if not all have been widely hated. Some have been assassinated, others have been shot and lived. Some have died of other causes, and still others have made it through ok. I hope that the Secret Service is still doing their job, and as long as they are, Obama has some of the best protection out their. Obama certainly doesn't seem like the kind to take needless risks, regardless.

I'm wondering why so few people dare to enter the poll. :)

Didn't the KKK say that they'd rather he live so his govt. can fail miserably?

Since you're hoping for that too, does that make you a member of the KKK?

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I'm wondering why so few people dare to enter the poll. :)

Perhaps because it's an astoundingly dumb poll?

If there was an option for "no, but someone will try" I would vote.

There's no option for people who like Obama but still want to kill him either.

Duh.

Anyway, Obama is very likely to get into someone's crosshairs, if he does what he promised to do. But no rednecks. Rednecks are harmless. Mobsters, corporations, religious fundies, on the other hand...

Obama is a robot...the real one is in a cryogenic bunker underneath the Pentagon

Since you're hoping for that too, does that make you a member of the KKK?

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Perhaps because it's an astoundingly dumb poll?

If there was an option for "no, but someone will try" I would vote.


This was an astoundingly smart answer.

I prefer thinking that the poll is a little morbide. By putting some humour in it, I tried to make it less morbide.

Obama is a robot...the real one is in a cryogenic bunker underneath the Pentagon

Nah. The robot is more expensive as the real thing.

The Secret Service still performs their background checks and unless I'm much mistaken, are the ones who issue the passes.

actually the background checks are done by the FBI. All your security clearance and back grounds checks are done by them. they simply have the infrastructure for it.

as for hand selects comment I was playing off the sexually charged innuendo from earlier.

I prefer thinking that the poll is a little morbid. By putting some humour in it, I tried to make it less morbid.

There was a thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14196975&postcount=1) on the same subject, with a link to some twerp who was offering betting odds on Obamas assassination. (greed and death started that one.)

I don't think there IS any way of handling the question tastefully.

His assassination would be really terrible. Even if it reduces his public profile, I'd be a lot happier if he didn't appear so often in public.

How about

"No, but not because people like him."

Most assasinations have been because the SS thinks the president is popular and didn't use the toughest security measures possible. Look at Kennedy and Reagan (which almost worked.) Even Lincoln was not well protected in that theatre, certainly not as protected as he would have been during the civil war.

On the other hand, hugely unpopular presidents (like this one, love him or hate him, if you're in the former group you're outnumbered) are very well protected and even though more people try fewer succede.

Even if Obama has high approval ratings (for a while) there will be so much suspision it won't happen. And terrorists, who have the most means for assasination, certainly will want to keep a Democrat in the White House. (Screw the public endoursments, look at thier actions-- like the way Al Qaeda escalated Iraq bombings right before the 2006 midterms in order to help the Dems.)

There was a thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14196975&postcount=1) on the same subject, with a link to some twerp who was offering betting odds on Obamas assassination. (greed and death started that one.)

I don't think there IS any way of handling the question tastefully.

His assassination would be really terrible. Even if it reduces his public profile, I'd be a lot happier if he didn't appear so often in public.


In many countries you can bet on the death of the pope, movie stars and... presidents.

I don't like it and I would not consider doing it, but hey I prefer that low class people bet on such things instead they torture animals or children.

I hope that Obama will survive the presidential ride. Nobody, not even a Bush, deserves to be shot, just for his/her ideas or skin colour.

Once again, you don't need to get that close to Obama. Hell you don't even have to be anywhere near the crowd. All you need is a high powered sniper rifle with a powerful scope.

Once again, you don't need to get that close to Obama. Hell you don't even have to be anywhere near the crowd. All you need is a high powered sniper rifle with a powerful scope.

You can’t hit him from everywhere. They just check hideouts for snipers carefully. I remember when Bush was in my country that the roofs were loaded with Special Service, local policemen and other types.

Once again, you don't need to get that close to Obama. Hell you don't even have to be anywhere near the crowd. All you need is a high powered sniper rifle with a powerful scope.

not to mention they have been encasing Obama's stage with bullet proof glass.

Obama is too perfect to be real anyway. He's just a hologram.

yes, obama will be dead within 60 years, I can nearly guarantee it.

now sit down and shut up, he has some of the best security on the planet, he won't be dieing anytime soon.

im not sure if he will be killed or not there is deffenitly room for consern and on that note i think they should step up the sceret service but i hope he is not killed cause we will have race riots like crazy and it will be a scary place in america does anyone rememeber after martin luther king jr died

yes, obama will be dead within 60 years, I can nearly guarantee it.

now sit down and shut up, he has some of the best security on the planet, he won't be dieing anytime soon.

hes in his late 40's
advancing medical technology.
good health care due to money.
Id give him a 1% chance to 60 more years.

Once again, you don't need to get that close to Obama. Hell you don't even have to be anywhere near the crowd. All you need is a high powered sniper rifle with a powerful scope.

you don't think the secret service thinks about these things?

Once again, you don't need to get that close to Obama. Hell you don't even have to be anywhere near the crowd. All you need is a high powered sniper rifle with a powerful scope.

You don't actually know anything about shooting said rifle, do you.

Once again, you don't need to get that close to Obama. Hell you don't even have to be anywhere near the crowd. All you need is a high powered sniper rifle with a powerful scope.

Done to death. Swarms of RC aircraft laden with light shrapnel and explosives? Less so.

you don't think the secret service thinks about these things?

I'm sure they have.

You don't actually know anything about shooting said rifle, do you.

All I do know is that sniper rifles are used to hit targets far away from where you're at, depending on the range of said rifle.

Done to death. Swarms of RC aircraft laden with light shrapnel and explosives? Less so.

But would it actually cause lethal wounds?

I'm sure they have.

And yet you still think it's that easy?

All I do know is that sniper rifles are used to hit targets far away from where you're at, depending on the range of said rifle.

Wait, do you really think hitting a man sized target at long range with a scoped rifle is as easy as "put his head in the target" and "squeeze trigger"?

Done to death. Swarms of RC aircraft laden with light shrapnel and explosives? Less so.
But would it actually cause lethal wounds?
Who cares, it would be cool.

Unfortunately, assassination is always a real threat to every president. Obama is a very smart man; he knows the risks entailed in being president, especially such a controversial one, however, if the secret service does their job, he will be fine.

I feel like that fact that a black man is in office (with such an amazing vote) that maybe this country is getting over its racism, if ever so slowly.

And yet you still think it's that easy?

I never said it would be easy, I'm just pointing out the possibility of it.



Wait, do you really think hitting a man sized target at long range with a scoped rifle is as easy as "put his head in the target" and "squeeze trigger"?

Once again, I never said it was easy. I probably couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a sniper rifle. Then again, I don't intend to kill Obama, so it's a moot point of what I think. However, it's not a moot point to what the guy who is set on killing Obama thinks.

I'm wondering why so few people dare to enter the poll. :)

Probably because your poll sucks

And terrorists, who have the most means for assasination, certainly will want to keep a Democrat in the White House. (Screw the public endoursments, look at thier actions-- like the way Al Qaeda escalated Iraq bombings right before the 2006 midterms in order to help the Dems.)

Oh, man! This post of yours got its stupid all over my shirt!

He's already dead. The security services captured and killed the real Barack Obama, then replaced him with a non-socialist clone who isn't dedicated to the destruction of America and the victory of world jihad.

Just like they replaced Dubya with a replica so stupid that it would sign any document and agree to any policy, no matter how important or far-reaching, in return for a single pretzel.

I think there will be attempts. Heck, there have supposedly already been plots to do it. Success? Maybe. Its very difficult to stop someone who is willing to die to accomplish his or her goal.

And as regards journalists, I don't care where they come from, America or Europe: few of them can be bothered with obtaining real facts and data and verifying it. Its much easier to stir up a hysteria and then drop a subject once it no longer gets ratings.

And terrorists, who have the most means for assasination, certainly will want to keep a Democrat in the White House. (Screw the public endoursments, look at thier actions-- like the way Al Qaeda escalated Iraq bombings right before the 2006 midterms in order to help the Dems.)

The stoopid! It burns!

Al Qaeda would hate Obama as well. He's an apostate in their eyes - even worse than being an infidel.

Which is not to say that they may not prefer a Democrat to a Republican in the White House. Just not that particular Democrat. It is more likely that a Democrat will reduce our efforts against the terrorists in Iraq and other places around the world, because there is a very vocal anti-war power base within the Democratic Party. However, once the President has full access to the data (which, sorry, no one else gets, not even Senators or CNN anchors), he may change his mind about withdrawal, etc.

Probably because your poll sucks

Gotta agree with that. The poll is seriously lacking in options.

It is more likely that a Democrat will reduce our efforts against the terrorists in Iraq

Never mind the fact that Iraq wasn't a hot-bed of terrorist activity before Dubya...

I never said it would be easy, I'm just pointing out the possibility of it.

Actually you did. Specifically you said:

All you need is a high powered sniper rifle with a powerful scope.

When the reality is, all you need is a high powered sniper rifle with a powerful scope, a clear line of sight, training to to calibrate the rifle, the scope, account of wind variations and distance traveled, keep cover to avoid the satellite imagery, and not be found by the secret service.

Which is ENTIRELY different from what you said.

When the reality is, all you need is a high powered sniper rifle with a powerful scope, a clear line of sight, training to to calibrate the rifle, the scope, account of wind variations and distance traveled, keep cover to avoid the satellite imagery, and not be found by the secret service.

Which is ENTIRELY different from what you said.

You're just being unbelievably pedantic, seriously I think you guys need to stop arguing with wilgrove for the sake of arguing.

Snip.

You say "vocal anti-war base" as if "anti-stupid-wasteful-terror-causing-war" was a BAD thing.

Has anyone considered that an attempted assassination would be just what Obama needs to win by a massive landslide in 2012, and for the dems to take a supermajority in the Senate? An assassination attempt would guarantee that Obama will be able to get whatever he needs done with no one questioning him.

A successful assassination? That would guarantee that republicans wouldn't be able to take office for a long long time. It would make a martyr out of him, and may even mark the end of the republican party. Yes, I realise this hasn't happened with past assassinations, but how many of them have been of an ideological first black president?

Just my thoughts.

Has anyone considered that an attempted assassination would be just what Obama needs to win by a massive landslide in 2012, and for the dems to take a supermajority in the Senate? An assassination attempt would guarantee that Obama will be able to get whatever he needs done with no one questioning him.

A successful assassination? That would guarantee that republicans wouldn't be able to take office for a long long time. It would make a martyr out of him, and may even mark the end of the republican party. Yes, I realise this hasn't happened with past assassinations, but how many of them have been of an ideological first black president?

Just my thoughts.

I've considered, yes.

Al Qaeda would hate Obama as well. He's an apostate in their eyes - even worse than being an infidel.

Yep. As I understand it they believe that because his father was born a Muslim Obama is also a Muslim by birth, and therefor betrayed Islam by becoming a Christian.

Which is not to say that they may not prefer a Democrat to a Republican in the White House. Just not that particular Democrat. It is more likely that a Democrat will reduce our efforts against the terrorists in Iraq and other places around the world, because there is a very vocal anti-war power base within the Democratic Party. However, once the President has full access to the data (which, sorry, no one else gets, not even Senators or CNN anchors), he may change his mind about withdrawal, etc.

In the long term, they want America out of the Middle East, if not out right taken over by their faith along with the rest of the world. Unfortunately for them, however, Democrats and Republicans alike will stand by Israel.

In the short term, however, they'd do better with a Republican in office. Can anyone honestly say that Al Quaida's movement has weakened since 911? The torture, the bombings, the deaths of civilians, all that has made America hated and inspired more Muslims to join the terrorists. Every time someone gets killed, their family will be more likely to join the terrorist for revenge. And America's problems in Iraq have made it seem weak, even as it overextends its military, pisses off its allies, and cripples its economy. Cattagorically, the GOP's ineptitude and corruption has given the terrorists the upper hand thus far in the War on Terror.

So tell me, what possible motive would the terrorists have to get the Democrats in power?

When the reality is, all you need is a high powered sniper rifle with a powerful scope, a clear line of sight, training to to calibrate the rifle, the scope, account of wind variations and distance traveled, keep cover to avoid the satellite imagery, and not be found by the secret service.

Which is ENTIRELY different from what you said.

Ever stop and think, "Wow, I am coming off like a dick."? I guess not.

I want you to be honest with me Neo, let's drop all the "I'm a lawyer so I'm better than you" crap and why don't you tell me why you feel the need to reply to my posts and threads? Do you just like coming off like an ass, is your girlfriend cheating on you with your best buddy? Maybe you have a case of the blue balls?

Anyways, back to your post.

You were right up till the satellite imagery. I doubt the satellite gives up to the minute updates. If it did, then Google Earth wouldn't have Fall and Summer in the same town.

Also, you are forgetting about the DC Sniper, who was able to elude the authorities for about what...two weeks? Of course, if you don't care about being captured and think that you'll be praised for destorying a "darkie", then you don't really need to avoid anything until after you taken the shot.

They will try, but fortunately, they will fail.

Didn't the KKK say that they'd rather he live so his govt. can fail miserably?

Boy are they in for a surprise.

yes, obama will be dead within 60 years, I can nearly guarantee it.

Say it ain't so, Joe! Er...pretend that's still fresh material, plz

Ever stop and think, "Wow, I am coming off like
You were right up till the satellite imagery. I doubt the satellite gives up to the minute updates. If it did, then Google Earth wouldn't have Fall and Summer in the same town.

I'd like to believe that the Secret Service could outdo Google Earth. I'd like to.

some insane redneck will blow his head off

Has anyone considered that an attempted assassination would be just what Obama needs to win by a massive landslide in 2012, and for the dems to take a supermajority in the Senate? An assassination attempt would guarantee that Obama will be able to get whatever he needs done with no one questioning him.

A successful assassination? That would guarantee that republicans wouldn't be able to take office for a long long time. It would make a martyr out of him, and may even mark the end of the republican party. Yes, I realise this hasn't happened with past assassinations, but how many of them have been of an ideological first black president?

Just my thoughts.
nope that makes no sense to me.

No, Obama is bought and paid for by the financial powers. He won't be assassinated because he'll do what he's told. *nods* Unless they need a martyr for martial law. At least, that's the conspiracy explanation.

Seriously, I doubt a "redneck" is going to shoot Obama. They don't really care who's in power - they'll ignore whoever is in power just the same. Name one president who was assassinated by a hick from the sticks.

*edit* But if he bans guns, places a high tax on ammunition, or otherwise infringes on the right to own and carry weapons, he'll be at significant risk. That would be due to actions, though, not his skin color.

Ever stop and think, "Wow, I am coming off like a dick."? I guess not.

I want you to be honest with me Neo, let's drop all the "I'm a lawyer so I'm better than you" crap and why don't you tell me why you feel the need to reply to my posts and threads? Do you just like coming off like an ass, is your girlfriend cheating on you with your best buddy? Maybe you have a case of the blue balls?

Lol. Believe me, he's not the only one who's thinking the things he posts.


Anyways, back to your post.

You were right up till the satellite imagery. I doubt the satellite gives up to the minute updates. If it did, then Google Earth wouldn't have Fall and Summer in the same town.

Also, you are forgetting about the DC Sniper, who was able to elude the authorities for about what...two weeks? Of course, if you don't care about being captured and think that you'll be praised for destorying a "darkie", then you don't really need to avoid anything until after you taken the shot.

Google Earth =/= satellite imaging system that the Secret Service has access to.

Assassinating random commuters across DC =/= assassinating the president of the United States.

I would think that even someone like you would realize these things.

Many? If memory serves, I think only four were shot and of them only two died. Now, that's still a 5% mortality rate which is pretty high for such a position, but given that the last successful assassination happened in 1963 and that security has tightened massively in the ensuing decades, the chance is far, far lower than ever before.

I mean, seriously, if some leftist nut hasn't assassinated Bush yet, what makes you think anyone will be able to assassinate someone who's a hell of a lot more popular?

To paraphrase the talk given to every incoming President by the Secret Service (as it was related in the excellent Inside Delta Force), for any President, half the voting population did not vote for him, countless people dislike him, many hate him and wish him no good at all, a not insignificant number would kill him if they could, and a few are actively plotting to do so. Fortunately, beyond the usual collection of hardcore partisans, anarchists, militia types, domestic or international terrorists and misguided glory seekers, the only additional group who'd like to see Obama dead are idiot hicks who can't countenance the idea of a black president but don't have the brains or the resources to do anything about it. For example, these guys (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5029959.ece).

The European media can't be bothered to investigate and write proper stories. That is what I think.

Yeah pretty much this.

I wonder if Europe would be worried about the assassination of a Turkish president if a Europian country elected him? Or is it impossible to convieve of for a Europian to assassinate a hated minority who was elected president, because we all know that only America is racist, and Europe is not at all.


But hey, ignore me. I had too much Thanksgiving wine.

Unlikely. There are a lot of people who would like to, but they'd probably fail.

If they did, his legacy as a great president would be assured.

Ever stop and think, "Wow, I am coming off like a dick."? I guess not.

No, I think he is totally aware hes coming off as a "dick", and I think its intentional. But hes saying what a lot of us are either thinking, or are being beaten to. So I think he provides a valuable service to the forum.

In all honosty, when people consistantly make the same mistakes and say the same wrong things, being a dick becomes the best way of dealing with em.


I want you to be honest with me Neo, let's drop all the "I'm a lawyer so I'm better than you" crap and why don't you tell me why you feel the need to reply to my posts and threads? Do you just like coming off like an ass, is your girlfriend cheating on you with your best buddy? Maybe you have a case of the blue balls?

We have no way of knowing, because unlike some among us, Neo Art does not use NSG as his own personal blog.

Going by past record, presidential assassination attempts seem to have little in relation to the popularity of the president or the ideology of the assassins. So I doubt that his popularity will reduce attempts or that his race will increase them. Somebody will probably try to kill him - every president since Nixon has had at least one possible attempt.

When one person is so critical to government I really question the wisdom of them going out in the open air AT ALL. Delivering speeches in person, meeting in person with anyone who hasn't been strip-searched, even going into non-government buildings like TV studios.

It's part of the "cult of personality" I suppose. But it's the decisions he makes that really matter, (President Joe Biden, anyone?) and there isn't any substantial difference between a televised interview or speech from within Yucca mountain and a press conference in the Rose Garden.

(yep, it's that again. A paranoid's dream, a network of bunkers under granite with a desert exclusion-zone around it. That could use widening perhaps. No gawking tourists out front; just blow crap out of anyone who even comes close, no questions asked.)

The White House, the houses of Congress, they're never going to be that degree of safe. Then there's the motorcades, walking in open air, speeches with or without a glass wall, the President-elect standing at a soup-kitchen, for christ's sake!

In any case, no matter what the Secret Service budget is, he'd be a lot safer with the same security spend and just not going out in open air.

Poll is slanted.

No option for they won't kill him but not everyone likes Obama

I second that option.

I second that option.

You're kidding right? Not even Exilia and Colonies was the second with that opinion. Get in the queue! :tongue:

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I second that option.You're kidding right? Not even Exilia and Colonies was the second with that opinion. Get in the queue! :tongue:

lol.

You were right up till the satellite imagery. I doubt the satellite gives up to the minute updates. If it did, then Google Earth wouldn't have Fall and Summer in the same town.

Ignoring the rest of your hyperboli laden little winge, are you seriously under the impression that the sattelite imagery that Google Earth has available (a private company without any security clearance) is equivalent to what is available to the United States Secret Service?

Seriously?

Of COURSE sattelite imagery gives up to the minute updates. Google Earth might not have access to up to the minute military sattelite network imagery (the US government might have a LITTLE problem with them sharing that imagery to the whole world, for free) but believe me, they can track your car with enough resolution to read your license plate.

Ignoring the rest of your hyperboli laden little winge, are you seriously under the impression that the sattelite imagery that Google Earth has available (a private company without any security clearance) is equivalent to what is available to the United States Secret Service?

Seriously?

Of COURSE sattelite imagery gives up to the minute updates. Google Earth might not have access to up to the minute military sattelite network imagery (the US government might have a LITTLE problem with them sharing that imagery to the whole world, for free) but believe me, they can track your car with enough resolution to read your license plate.

Nitpick: No they can't, not unless the license plate was facing upwards. A coin lying face up though, is quite easily discernible.

Nitpick: No they can't, not unless the license plate was facing upwards. A coin lying face up though, is quite easily discernible.

well, enough resolution to read it, if it happened to be facing upwards :p

Point being though, using Google Earth as a yardstick to estimate current military satelite capabilities is comparing a big rig to an Optimus Prime toy.

well, enough resolution to read it, if it happened to be facing upwards :p

Point being though, using Google Earth as a yardstick to estimate current military satelite capabilities is comparing a big rig to an Optimus Prime toy.

By that analogy, Google earth is cooler than current military satellite capabilities...
;)

I think there is a significant chance, unfortunately. It isn't probable, but it's quite possible.

I think there's definitely a possibility someone will attempt to kill him, however I think he would have obviously hired security to protect him. Although, who can really protect him if someone really wants him dead?

I think there's definitely a possibility someone will attempt to kill him, however I think he would have obviously hired security to protect him. Although, who can really protect him if someone really wants him dead?

The Secret Service, they're quite good at it, although obviously not infallible.

You were right up till the satellite imagery. I doubt the satellite gives up to the minute updates. If it did, then Google Earth wouldn't have Fall and Summer in the same town.
Up to the minute satellite imagery of the whole planet =/= up to the minute satellite imagery of the city the president is visiting.

Also, you are forgetting about the DC Sniper, who was able to elude the authorities for about what...two weeks?
Totally different scenario. When trying to prevent a potential assassination one knows who the target is before hand, and where he'll be at any given time. A shooter has to be within a given distance to hit the president, a bomb has to be within a given area to kill him.

A spree killer could target anyone, anywhere at any time. Apples and the space dust that makes up the crab nebula.
Of course, if you don't care about being captured and think that you'll be praised for destorying a "darkie", then you don't really need to avoid anything until after you taken the shot.
Eh, no. If you don't care about being captured/killed then you don't have to plan for escaping after you take the shot. You do have to avoid getting captured/killed up until you take the shot, or you'll be captured/killed beforehand.
I think there's definitely a possibility someone will attempt to kill him, however I think he would have obviously hired security to protect him. Although, who can really protect him if someone really wants him dead?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secret_Service
The U.S. Secret Service has two distinct and very different areas of responsibility:

* Treasury roles, covering missions such as prevention and investigation of counterfeiting of U.S. currency and U.S. treasury bonds notes and investigation of major fraud.
* Protective roles, ensuring the safety of national VIPs such as the President, past Presidents, Vice Presidents, Presidential candidates, their families, foreign embassies, etc.

i think there's a very good chance we may all be very lucky and obama won't get himself killed.

while there are striking parallels between obama and j f kennidy, there are equally so between him and jimmy carter, and even f d r, both of whome, somehow managed to survive, dispite the almost certain displasure of corporate economic intrests and a wide array of various prejudical loonies.

even castro has lived long enough to entire sinility and inferm health. a lot of world leaders whome it almost goes without saying have been targeted many many times, managed to some how escape assassination.

so i really don't see it as at all unlikely that our friend barak obama will as well.

i'm not saying the banana peal isn't there. of course it is. and the worst always CAN happen, but the point is, chances are as good or better that it won't.

and of course we don't really KNOW yet, what kind of president he's going to turn out to be either. his passion for bringing people togather in unity, well baha'u'llah tells us THIS IS the millinum of unity, and if you know about the things that happened in his life, not just his teachings, well, things do have the straingest, oddest, most interesting ways of working out sometimes.

of course there's a lot of old world forces that don't want to see a u.n. with teeth or universal recognition of an international criminal court, but the bad guys DON'T always win.

reality is far too diverse to let ANY one set of interests always do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secret_Service

What I meant was that if someone wants to kill him badly enough, no one can really stop them. There is still a minute chance that he could be assasinated. The secret service isn't infallible.

What I meant was that if someone wants to kill him badly enough, no one can really stop them. There is still a minute chance that he could be assasinated. The secret service isn't infallible.

No, they're not, but neither are determined assassins. Sometimes the underdogs win, sometimes the secret service fails, but most of the time they don't.

No, they're not, but neither are determined assassins. Sometimes the underdogs win, sometimes the secret service fails, but most of the time they don't.
precisely!

also i'll third, forth, fifth, whatever it is, that about the most logical option completely missing from the poll, and my abstaining form it untill it appears.

What I meant was that if someone wants to kill him badly enough, no one can really stop them. There is still a minute chance that he could be assasinated. The secret service isn't infallible.

No matter how badly you may want to, if you're shot in a vital organ, you're dead. Fervor and fanaticism can make up a lot for lack of equipment and training, but it's no magic bullet for replacing them against a well equipped, and well trained defender.

No matter how badly you may want to, if you're shot in a vital organ, you're dead. Fervor and fanaticism can make up a lot for lack of equipment and training, but it's no magic bullet for replacing them against a well equipped, and well trained defender.

I always wonder "who and/or what is protecting his head"? If I were a black president, I would wear a helmet. ;)

Obama can go two ways. Either he doesn't change things, in which case many people won't vote for him next time, or he'll change things and make powerful enemies. Not being American, I'm more sceptical about the integrity of the US Secret Service. The Pakistani ISI seems to have the job of encouraging terrorism and ensuring the assassinatioin of Pakistani presidents. And the US has been collaborating with the ISI since at least 1978. And didn't rogue government agents post anthrax a few years ago?

Well if you want to kill a guy who well armed. Why not outfit a small plane with machines guns and/or a small unguided bomb? I mean it not like the SS has stingers now do they?

Ann Coulter's been training herself up to kill Barrack Obama in a bout of surprise fisticuffs. Thats how she managed to break her jaw. But eventually she'll confront Obama and destroy him with one punch. And the newspaper headline will be "K.O.bama", because the media are witty like that.

Well if you want to kill a guy who well armed. Why not outfit a small plane with machines guns and/or a small unguided bomb? I mean it not like the SS has stingers now do they?

Somehow I think they've gotten the hint that bad guys use planes.

I always wonder "who and/or what is protecting his head"?

An inch or so of armored plexiglass around his speaking podiums.

I wouldn't put it past some of the less sophisticated members of the populace. There are some very pathetic and backwards people in this country that would love nothing more than to put a bullet in the man's head. Likely for a reason that they themselves can not understand. If I were Obama, I'd spend a lot of time inside. There are a lot of dejected reactionaries and ignorant people walking the political street.

In Europe, the media is afraid that some redneck lunatic will kill Obama.

And why not? Many American presidents were shot in the past. Some survived, some didn’t.

I can imagine that an almost black person as a president is making sheet wearing ‘people’ very nervous.

I certainly hope that no one will kill or hurt Obama, but I’m afraid for his future.

What’s your idea?
Those same rednecks are too stupid to think up a plan thorough enough to get near Obama.

Not being American, I'm more sceptical about the integrity of the US Secret Service. The Pakistani ISI seems to have the job of encouraging terrorism and ensuring the assassinatioin of Pakistani presidents.

Are you fucking kidding me?


And the US has been collaborating with the ISI since at least 1978.


Which makes them our dogs, not the other way around.

And didn't rogue government agents post anthrax a few years ago?

No.

Well if you want to kill a guy who well armed. Why not outfit a small plane with machines guns and/or a small unguided bomb? I mean it not like the SS has stingers now do they?

Isn't Washington pretty much a no-fly zone?

Besides, a civilian plane jury rigged with such weapons would have terrible accuracy wouldn't it?

Yes. In America, the kind of evil people we have are truly unique.

I did not vote this poll is flawed option #4 is needed for the people who did not vote for Barry O,dont like him,But wont even think of a thing like assassination.

Yes. In America, the kind of evil people we have are truly unique.

No, no they're not. I realize America bashing is trendy these days, but theocrats and racists exist around the world. As do corrupt businessmen and their polititian minions. America's villains may have a different flavor, but their hardly more evil or stupid than lots of other country's evil people.

No, no they're not. I realize America bashing is trendy these days, but theocrats and racists exist around the world. As do corrupt businessmen and their polititian minions. America's villains may have a different flavor, but their hardly more evil or stupid than lots of other country's evil people.

Be silent. The Übermensches in Europe would never think to assassinate anyone, let alone be racist or even prejudice.


Truly we are inferior.

America's villains may have a different flavor, but their hardly more evil or stupid than lots of other country's evil people.
Hence unique.

After such a dirty election, and during a time of war, economic collapse, and great partisanship, I'd approve of the glass weather he was black or not.

I would never seek the White House, but if I was President, I'd wear Kevlar and have the glass at every speech.

Everyone better hope not. Be a one way ticket to Civil War version 2.

If they couldn't get to GWB, they can't get to Obama.

Everyone better hope not. Be a one way ticket to Civil War version 2.

In the long run, perhaps. But that's true regardless if the extreem religious right remains a powerful force in American politics. In the short term you're exaggerating. Biden would become President, and likely ride to victory in 2012 on a sympathy vote.

If Obama had died during the election, or perhaps if he dies before inauguration, then it could lead to a great loss of hope and belief in the democratic system. A candidate of hope, the first viable black candidate being denied officer through violence. The result would likely be political apathy and despair from the majority, and political violence from the minority. Also, America would be reviled by the rest of the world.

Even after the inauguration it would be a devastating blow, and might even have the same results. However, I think the short-term disaster would probably be less severe. Its possible we could even avoid large-scale rioting, depending on how Biden handles the situation.

Not that I particularily like dwelling on such thoughts. But I do want to say this: if, God forbid, the worst comes to worst, I hope people will show the restraint not to destroy Obama's vission through needless violence, and the strength to continue believing in the democratic system.

Yep. As I understand it they believe that because his father was born a Muslim Obama is also a Muslim by birth, and therefor betrayed Islam by becoming a Christian.



In the long term, they want America out of the Middle East, if not out right taken over by their faith along with the rest of the world. Unfortunately for them, however, Democrats and Republicans alike will stand by Israel.

In the short term, however, they'd do better with a Republican in office. Can anyone honestly say that Al Quaida's movement has weakened since 911? The torture, the bombings, the deaths of civilians, all that has made America hated and inspired more Muslims to join the terrorists. Every time someone gets killed, their family will be more likely to join the terrorist for revenge. And America's problems in Iraq have made it seem weak, even as it overextends its military, pisses off its allies, and cripples its economy. Cattagorically, the GOP's ineptitude and corruption has given the terrorists the upper hand thus far in the War on Terror.

So tell me, what possible motive would the terrorists have to get the Democrats in power?

This is why it's believed Al Qaeda endorsed McCain for the presidency. On the Al-Hesbeh website which Al Qaeda uses, one of the contributors wrote the following:

Muhammad Haafid:

This requires presence of an impetuous American leader such as McCain, who pledged to continue the war till the last American soldier...

Then, al-Qaida will have to support McCain in the coming elections so that he continues the failing march of his predecessor, Bush...

If al-Qaida carries out a big operation against American interests... this act will be support of McCain because it will push the Americans deliberately to vote for McCain so that he takes revenge for them against al-Qaida. Al-Qaida then will succeed in exhausting America till its last year in it...

Naturally the McCain campaign refuted the implied endorsement. But it gives insight into the crazed fervor that Al Qaeda is still trying to engender among its diminishing organization.

I know this is old, but some of this is just too silly to ignore now that I've spotted it.:)

No, Obama is bought and paid for by the financial powers. He won't be assassinated because he'll do what he's told. *nods* Unless they need a martyr for martial law. At least, that's the conspiracy explanation.

I hope you're joking.

Yes, politians can be bought. But they aren't all "owned" by the same companies, and some have actually cracked down on certain major corporations without being killed.

Seriously, I doubt a "redneck" is going to shoot Obama. They don't really care who's in power - they'll ignore whoever is in power just the same. Name one president who was assassinated by a hick from the sticks.

Officially, JFK? Would Lee Harvey Oswald count as a hick?

*edit* But if he bans guns, places a high tax on ammunition, or otherwise infringes on the right to own and carry weapons, he'll be at significant risk. That would be due to actions, though, not his skin color.

Lots of polititians have restricted gun "rights" without dying for it. And an outright ban is impossible. It would never get through the steps nessissary for a Constitutional amendment, nor would the courts approve. Obama is too smart to waste his political capital like that even if he wanted a total ban.

Surely no Constitutional ammendment is need on gun control.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Well regulated militia. Not every yank with an itchy trigger finger desperate to shoot someone/something.

Dear God in Heaven, I actually agree with you on something.

And you know, it says "arms", not "in type of arms, in any number, in any situation, no regulation whatsoever." I can't, for example, keep a nuclear silo ready to launch in my backyard. For good reason.

Comedy option: restrict people to possession of weapons that were in use at the time the Bill of Rights was written.:)

Comedy option: restrict people to possession of weapons that were in use at the time the Bill of Rights was written.:)

That's a good choice and I support that.

In the long run, perhaps. But that's true regardless if the extreem religious right remains a powerful force in American politics.
True, It's sadly Ironic that the ones who support a "holy war" on terror are the most like the very terrorists they hate.


In the short term you're exaggerating. Biden would become President, and likely ride to victory in 2012 on a sympathy vote. Yes but expect one dead assassin as well as everyone who supported him\her dead from angry mobs. And I wouldn't be surprised if racists and Rightwing talk radio show hosts become an endangered species.


If Obama had died during the election, or perhaps if he dies before inauguration, then it could lead to a great loss of hope and belief in the democratic system. A candidate of hope, the first viable black candidate being denied officer through violence. The result would likely be political apathy and despair from the majority, and political violence from the minority.Yes, people would give up on the country.

And as for violence I have already heard from extremists on both sides saying if Obama goes "It's on".

Also, America would be reviled by the rest of the world. Yes I would expect the rest of the world to write off the US as a lost cause.


Even after the inauguration it would be a devastating blow, and might even have the same results. However, I think the short-term disaster would probably be less severe. Its possible we could even avoid large-scale rioting, depending on how Biden handles the situation. I would still pity Bush and Co in those riots.


Not that I particularily like dwelling on such thoughts. But I do want to say this: if, God forbid, the worst comes to worst, I hope people will show the restraint not to destroy Obama's vission through needless violence, and the strength to continue believing in the democratic system. It's a horrible thing to think about, but when you watch enough of the fanatical Religious right groups it's really easy become afraid, even if you know most of it is nothing more than hot air some might be sick enough to do it.

They are especially angry now because the moderates are rightfully blaming them for the Republican party being so messed up.

If they get kicked out they'll really be pissed.

I know many conservatives, and not one of them would ever attack somebody to enforce their beliefs. Refusing to support to kill unborn babies is hardlly radical who you change your perspective a bit. CALIFORNIA passed proposition 8, and we're not calling it radically conservative. Believing in limited government is the opposite of wanting to enforce your beliefs. Whether 'corporations' will kill Obama, why would they? He's going to give them billions and billions of other people's money! Bush and Obama are seeming closer and closer every day.

Believing in limited government is the opposite of wanting to enforce your beliefs. Wrong conservatives.

This is about the "Conservatives" who believe the government should regulate nothing in business, but regulate morals until everyone is wearing victorian clothing.

The false ones.

KOL, the two Bhuttos. President Tariki of Afghanistan (1978), and all the people killed by the Mujaheddin, the Northern Alliance and the Taliban. Long love the Saur Revolution!
End the opium war in Afghanistan!

BTW, i was not thinking of recent terrible events in Mumbai, although Pakistani involvement is being looked into.

I know many conservatives, and not one of them would ever attack somebody to enforce their beliefs. Refusing to support to kill unborn babies is hardlly radical who you change your perspective a bit. CALIFORNIA passed proposition 8, and we're not calling it radically conservative. Believing in limited government is the opposite of wanting to enforce your beliefs. Whether 'corporations' will kill Obama, why would they? He's going to give them billions and billions of other people's money! Bush and Obama are seeming closer and closer every day.

What a you on and can you please share the love?

Secret Service is the best its ever been, so no, any idiot trying to will be shot

I know this is old, but some of this is just too silly to ignore now that I've spotted it.:)

I hope you're joking.

Yes, politicians can be bought. But they aren't all "owned" by the same companies, and some have actually cracked down on certain major corporations without being killed.

Mostly. But Obama did get get 4x the wall street money of McCain and both candidates voted to bail out the bankers. Circumstantial evidence could be used to support the idea that either one is a corporate stooge :P

Officially, JFK? Would Lee Harvey Oswald count as a hick?

Not quite. Try again. He may not have been a Yale graduate, but he was hardly a redneck like those often accused of wanting to kill Obama.

Lots of polititians have restricted gun "rights" without dying for it. And an outright ban is impossible. It would never get through the steps nessissary for a Constitutional amendment, nor would the courts approve. Obama is too smart to waste his political capital like that even if he wanted a total ban.

The Constitution didn't stop ol' Dubya very well. Obama has proposed banning .223 and .308 rifles, and the 1993 "assault" weapon (aka scary looking regular carbines and rifles) ban has been re-proposed. It's not as impossible as you might think.

The Constitution didn't stop ol' Dubya very well. Obama has proposed banning .223 and .308 rifles, and the 1993 "assault" weapon (aka scary looking regular carbines and rifles) ban has been re-proposed. It's not as impossible as you might think.

That was everyone being scared post-911. Try taking those same scared people's guns, and it'll be a different story.

See, they think they need their guns to protect their freedom, so its ok if they lose their other freedoms so long as they keep their guns. Or something like that.;)

I'm expecting Secret Service Agents to be watching this thread right now

*snip*

You were right up till the satellite imagery. I doubt the satellite gives up to the minute updates. If it did, then Google Earth wouldn't have Fall and Summer in the same town.

Also, you are forgetting about the DC Sniper, who was able to elude the authorities for about what...two weeks? Of course, if you don't care about being captured and think that you'll be praised for destorying a "darkie", then you don't really need to avoid anything until after you taken the shot.

Don't judge what the US military has by what Google Earth has. And I am sure the Secret Service could tap into it in order to protect the pres. The DC sniper's method couldn't have nailed the pres...presidents don't pump gas or get out of their vehicles unless it is safe. The sniper also wasn't a great shot, and would prolly need a couple of shots to get through a target rich environment at to the pres. Plus once he took his shot you can bet that security would clamp down harder than a republican's butt in a San Fran bar.

Yes. In America, the kind of evil people we have are truly unique.

And here you make the same mistake that people who kiss America's feet often do: supposing we're special somehow. Sure, it's in the opposite direction--You say special is worse, they say special is better--but it's just as false no matter how it's spinned. Americans are people. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Hence unique.

No more unique than any country.

In retrospect I think the election of President Obama was ment to be. Obama the first black or African American candidate who had an excellent chance to be elected President of the USA. Even though the finacial crisis helped Obama win. History was not going to deny him the Presidency. So Obama will not be killed as history will not deny Obama a second term. As it was all ment to be in the first place. Please keep in mind I am no supporter of President Obama so this was not an easy post to post. But in retrospect I see it as a ment to be of history.

I absolutely hate Barack Obama and his socialist and marxist plans for our economy. I'm currently writing a paper on how I believe he's going to fail as president and why I disagree so strongly with every one of his major political beliefs. I did everything in my power to campaign for Senator Mike Huckabee in the primaries and later Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin during the general election.

I commend Obama on a race well run. I can't see more than one real mistake he or his campaign staff made. It was a well run, organized and clearly motivated campaign. I don't want anyone to think I don't salute him on a race well-run, because I do. I simply disagree with him on everything and want him to be immediately impeached after the economy falls greater and the deficit is raised again.

Now, onto the real subject. Will he be killed? I said from day 1 of his campaign yes. I DO NOT want him to be assassinated or die and I WOULD NOT commend anyone on such actions. Neither would my clearly Southern-based and Dixie-proud nation.

But I truly believe Barack Obama will not live to see the third year in his presidency. The safety of the president is a lot less secure than we all think. I do believe some crazy, insane, and chemically unbalanced person will attack Obama and kill him. I also believe that person will come from one of the original Confederate states.

I do not like Barack Obama. I wouldn't ever vote for such a man. I'd lose my life to protect the future of this country any day. I do not want him to die, but I can't see him living another 4 years.

I absolutely hate Barack Obama and his socialist and marxist plans for our economy. I'm currently writing a paper on how I believe he's going to fail as president and why I disagree so strongly with every one of his major political beliefs. I did everything in my power to campaign for Senator Mike Huckabee in the primaries and later Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin during the general election.


You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

And what is this paper for, might I ask?

I simply disagree with him on everything and want him to be immediately impeached after the economy falls greater and the deficit is raised again.

You do know you cant be impeached for incompetence and can only be impeached for breaking the law, right?

Wait, no, you probably dont know that.

Now, onto the real subject. Will he be killed? I said from day 1 of his campaign yes. I DO NOT want him to be assassinated or die and I WOULD NOT commend anyone on such actions. Neither would my clearly Southern-based and Dixie-proud nation.


I also believe that person will come from one of the original Confederate states.

Id be more suprised if they didnt.

The paper is actually for pure pleasure. I have attempted to debate with avid Obama supporters and have thus memorized statistics that hurt Obama's stance. However, I never have the sources with me to prove it. I'm going to keep a copy of my paper and these sources in my car to give to everyone who disagrees with these facts.

I'm also going to send it to Mike Huckabee (my favorite candidate), John McCain, Sarah Palin, my local newspaper, my local city magazine, The American Conservative (magazine), my city mayor, all my peers, and Barack Obama himself. I've spoken to my English professor and am going to try to see how to get it, in some way, published.

I do mean exactly what I said with Socialism and Marxism. It's much easier to target Socialism on him than Marxism, and I actually don't believe the latter. But it is easy to make connections and one cannot deny his socialist economic tendencies. Can you add me to your Dossier or something? I want to send you a telegram and continue these talks, Knights of Liberty. I'll E-Mail you my paper sometime. It's 7 pages long so far, but I've only covered economics and still have all his social issues to cover.

The paper is actually for pure pleasure. I have attempted to debate with avid Obama supporters and have thus memorized statistics that hurt Obama's stance. However, I never have the sources with me to prove it. I'm going to keep a copy of my paper and these sources in my car to give to everyone who disagrees with these facts.

I'm also going to send it to Mike Huckabee (my favorite candidate), John McCain, Sarah Palin, my local newspaper, my local city magazine, The American Conservative (magazine), my city mayor, all my peers, and Barack Obama himself. I've spoken to my English professor and am going to try to see how to get it, in some way, published.

I do mean exactly what I said with Socialism and Marxism. It's much easier to target Socialism on him than Marxism, and I actually don't believe the latter. But it is easy to make connections and one cannot deny his socialist economic tendencies. Can you add me to your Dossier or something? I want to send you a telegram and continue these talks, Knights of Liberty. I'll E-Mail you my paper sometime. It's 7 pages long so far, but I've only covered economics and still have all his social issues to cover.

Sorry but I have a secret 8-page paper that proves everything you are saying is untrue.

Debate over.

Ann Coulter's been training herself up to kill Barrack Obama in a bout of surprise fisticuffs. Thats how she managed to break her jaw. But eventually she'll confront Obama and destroy him with one punch. And the newspaper headline will be "K.O.bama", because the media are witty like that.

At least nobody can accuse Coulter of "Hitting Like a Girl".

For all y'all that seriously don't believe I'm writing a paper on Obama's faults, don't believe he's economically socialist, think he'll actually do good, or are simply interested in my paper please telegram me. Add me to your Dossier. I'll give y'all my E-Mail (privately) and I'll give you my paper when I finish. I'm seriously writing it and will post it when I finish in, hopefully, a few days.

For all y'all that seriously don't believe I'm writing a paper on Obama's faults, don't believe he's economically socialist, think he'll actually do good, or are simply interested in my paper please telegram me. Add me to your Dossier. I'll give y'all my E-Mail (privately) and I'll give you my paper when I finish. I'm seriously writing it and will post it when I finish in, hopefully, a few days.

You could alway lay out a cliff notes version to actually make your arguement, rather than not really backing up any of your more...special...assertions.

I do mean exactly what I said with Socialism and Marxism. It's much easier to target Socialism on him than Marxism, and I actually don't believe the latter. But it is easy to make connections and one cannot deny his socialist economic tendencies....McCain is a socialist because he supported the bailout? :eek:
...Bush, too? :eek2:

...McCain is a socialist because he supported the bailout? :eek:
...Bush, too? :eek2:

Please, telegram me sir (or ma'am). McCain and Bush both supported the original bailout. The democrats screamed and whined because it didn't include enough money and wouldn't vote for it until over 700 BILLION dollars were added.

If you consider helping our banks not lose all of the nations money socialism, then McCain and Bush are both socialist. But by those standards, Obama is a greater one.

The democrats screamed and whined because it didn't include enough money and wouldn't vote for it until over 700 BILLION

Source?

In Europe, the media is afraid that some redneck lunatic will kill Obama.

And why not? Many American presidents were shot in the past. Some survived, some didn’t.

I can imagine that an almost black person as a president is making sheet wearing ‘people’ very nervous.

I certainly hope that no one will kill or hurt Obama, but I’m afraid for his future.

What’s your idea?

He's not even black. As a white person I enjoy having a half white person in charge of my neighbor to the south, very nice for a chan..same.

Please, telegram me sir (or ma'am). McCain and Bush both supported the original bailout. I'm sorry, what (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26980368/)? That one is for McCain and Obama.
For Bush.
(http://uk.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUKTRE48R0KS20080930)
They all have socialistic tendencies. Does this make them "OMG SOCIALIST!!1"?
No, it does not.

I don't think I want to read a paper about Obama's economic policies written by someone who doesn't know what the word "socialism" means.

Sorry but I have a secret 8-page paper that proves everything you are saying is untrue.

Debate over.

only until somebody comes up with a 9-page paper...like this one i have here.

how's the weather in lost debateistan?

I don't think I want to read a paper about Obama's economic policies written by someone who doesn't know what the word "socialism" means.

*raises hand*

Ooh! Ooo! I know! I know! Teacher, pick me!

*ahem*

The word socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society.

So we know that the Klan hopes that Obama will somehow add numbers to their ranks. Don't ask me how...I don't want to think about it.

But what about the Neo-Nazis?

Part of the charm of NationStates is you can instantly tell someone's not going to fare well in General, solely on the basis of their nation name.

Part of the charm of NationStates is you can instantly tell someone's not going to fare well in General, solely on the basis of their nation name.

Shh don't scare him off.

Ask Indira Gandhi who an executive should be more afraid of - common nutjobs, or the armed bodyguards standing next to you.

Ask Indira Gandhi who an executive should be more afraid of - common nutjobs, or the armed bodyguards standing next to you.

Well, if Obama dies assassinated, it will be the death knell of the Republican Party and of its war, its Christian state, and its recklessness... Not that I wish for Obama to die, mind you.

Hmmmmmm.

A ton of talk about "THE BLACK MAN", as if that's all Obama is. Not surprisingly and not unlike everything that's happened since he announced his candidacy, there's little in any of these posts about his policies or political beliefs.
How about this: An intelligent individual with a great deal of love and pride for his or her country doesn't want to see Lady Liberty shackled by the same fascist chains that evil men have tried to bind the world with since the begining of time. Oh, but this time it's been repackaged for the mentally weak. We now call those policies "Progressive". That's awesome isn't it? Progressive = moving forward. Who's not onboard with that?
How about someone with the audacity to think for himself, someone who takes a generic concept like "change" at face value. Someone who doesn't think Obama is going to "pay my bills" and doesn't want him to. Someone who looks at the writing on the wall and then looks a little deeper than those of us who rely on the so called media to spoon feed us facts...as if. And after weighing everything carefully concludes that whatever this man wants to do to our democracy(cause he's not saying much yet) it's not going to be good. In fact in his wife's own words, "Barrak will never allow you to go back to your usual lives."
Quick FACT for those interested in such things: The average span of any political system has historically, since the inception of government been 200 years. Look it up.
At this point we've surpassed that milestone and until quite recently, respectively speaking, it's been a hell of a run. Of course with the corruption WE'VE ALL allowed into our politics(SEE MEXICO), currently our system scarcely resembles the one which has brought us so far. The way I see it aside from political corruption, most of which lurks within the halls of Congress, America is the most powerful, charitable, inovative, enterpernual, tolerant, diversive, wonderful nation on earth...sorry for the rant.
The point I'm trying to make is that it's not the dipshit, redneck, bible thumper with a brush gun he needs to worry about as so many of you seem to think. Rather, it's the true thinking American who can pick up a history book and see alarming similarities between Obamamania and some pretty horrifying events in our past. The secret service will take care of the idiots. The intelligent free thinking American fearing for the future of his country is the one he needs to watch out for.

hmmmmmm.

A ton of talk about "the black man", as if that's all obama is. Not surprisingly and not unlike everything that's happened since he announced his candidacy, there's little in any of these posts about his policies or political beliefs.
How about this: An intelligent individual with a great deal of love and pride for his or her country doesn't want to see lady liberty shackled by the same fascist chains that evil men have tried to bind the world with since the begining of time. Oh, but this time it's been repackaged for the mentally weak. We now call those policies "progressive". That's awesome isn't it? Progressive = moving forward. Who's not onboard with that?
How about someone with the audacity to think for himself, someone who takes a generic concept like "change" at face value. Someone who doesn't think obama is going to "pay my bills" and doesn't want him to. Someone who looks at the writing on the wall and then looks a little deeper than those of us who rely on the so called media to spoon feed us facts...as if. And after weighing everything carefully concludes that whatever this man wants to do to our democracy(cause he's not saying much yet) it's not going to be good. In fact in his wife's own words, "barrak will never allow you to go back to your usual lives."
quick fact for those interested in such things: The average span of any political system has historically, since the inception of government been 200 years. Look it up.
At this point we've surpassed that milestone and until quite recently, respectively speaking, it's been a hell of a run. Of course with the corruption we've all allowed into our politics(see mexico), currently our system scarcely resembles the one which has brought us so far. The way i see it aside from political corruption, most of which lurks within the halls of congress, america is the most powerful, charitable, inovative, enterpernual, tolerant, diversive, wonderful nation on earth...sorry for the rant.
The point i'm trying to make is that it's not the dipshit, redneck, bible thumper with a brush gun he needs to worry about as so many of you seem to think. Rather, it's the true thinking american who can pick up a history book and see alarming similarities between obamamania and some pretty horrifying events in our past. The secret service will take care of the idiots. The intelligent free thinking american fearing for the future of his country is the one he needs to watch out for.

rofl.

Brilliant response.

Brilliant response.

Im sorry. Ive just defeated that tripe so many times from so many other people both here and in real life that I just dont feel like doing it anymore.


If you want to keep the tinfoil hat on, thats your right.


ps- You keep using the word "facism". I do not think it means what you think it means.

Brilliant response.

Considering for one moment that you're actively comparing Obama, who isn't even in office, to Fascists, and that after a President that can be compared to them way easier, did you REALLY think your post would DESERVE a better response? Bull! You make an unreasonable claim and then expect a reasonable answer.

Hmmmmmm.

A ton of talk about "THE BLACK MAN", as if that's all Obama is. Not surprisingly and not unlike everything that's happened since he announced his candidacy, there's little in any of these posts about his policies or political beliefs.
How about this: An intelligent individual with a great deal of love and pride for his or her country doesn't want to see Lady Liberty shackled by the same fascist chains that evil men have tried to bind the world with since the begining of time. Oh, but this time it's been repackaged for the mentally weak. We now call those policies "Progressive". That's awesome isn't it? Progressive = moving forward. Who's not onboard with that?
How about someone with the audacity to think for himself, someone who takes a generic concept like "change" at face value. Someone who doesn't think Obama is going to "pay my bills" and doesn't want him to. Someone who looks at the writing on the wall and then looks a little deeper than those of us who rely on the so called media to spoon feed us facts...as if. And after weighing everything carefully concludes that whatever this man wants to do to our democracy(cause he's not saying much yet) it's not going to be good. In fact in his wife's own words, "Barrak will never allow you to go back to your usual lives."
Quick FACT for those interested in such things: The average span of any political system has historically, since the inception of government been 200 years. Look it up.
At this point we've surpassed that milestone and until quite recently, respectively speaking, it's been a hell of a run. Of course with the corruption WE'VE ALL allowed into our politics(SEE MEXICO), currently our system scarcely resembles the one which has brought us so far. The way I see it aside from political corruption, most of which lurks within the halls of Congress, America is the most powerful, charitable, inovative, enterpernual, tolerant, diversive, wonderful nation on earth...sorry for the rant.
The point I'm trying to make is that it's not the dipshit, redneck, bible thumper with a brush gun he needs to worry about as so many of you seem to think. Rather, it's the true thinking American who can pick up a history book and see alarming similarities between Obamamania and some pretty horrifying events in our past. The secret service will take care of the idiots. The intelligent free thinking American fearing for the future of his country is the one he needs to watch out for.

So... We're supposed to be hoping some "Real American patriot" blows his brains out?

Obama will be a good president.Hard times awaits us...The only thing that we can do is wait and see how this gonna end.

Brilliant response.

it was more than you deserve

it was more than you deserve

It's the usual "Obama can inspire people, so could Adolf Hitler! Obama is Hitler!" bullcrap with a nice coat of paint. ROFL indeed.

The average span of any political system has historically, since the inception of government been 200 years. Look it up.

i did. you are wrong.

Well, if Obama dies assassinated, it will be the death knell of the Republican Party and of its war, its Christian state, and its recklessness... Not that I wish for Obama to die, mind you.

I actually think it's very, very unlikely.

I actually think it's very, very unlikely.

Meh.

I think that Presidend Elect Obama is lucky to have a dedicated team such as the Presidential Security Service of the US Secret Service. They don't care if the President is dem or rep, they take their job very seriously at protecting the President (and the VP and their immediate family members).

Keep in mind that the last two assasination attempts were Gerald Ford by Lynette "squeeky" Frome, an ex Manson cult member; and Hinckley wanting to impress Jodie Foster. Of course, the Kennedy assasination was "officially" done by a deranged lunatic called Oswald.

I truly hope that he is not assasinated, because that will tear the country apart. I guess when we look at the history of Presidential assasins, they are not rednecks, just crazy and deranged. Of course, there have been some done for political revenge such as Lincoln.

I truly hope that he is not assasinated, because that will tear the country apart. I guess when we look at the history of Presidential assasins, they are not rednecks, just crazy and deranged. Of course, there have been some done for political revenge such as Lincoln.

Suppressing the urge to tell you that you are being redundant...

I have to say, we cant write off the racist hick factor based on histroy, because we havent had a black president before.

Some haters might plan on killing him, but we pray for God's protection for President elect, Barack Obama.

Some haters might plan on killing him, but we pray for God's protection for President elect, Barack Obama.

But what if it's God's plan that he gets killed?

But what if it's God's plan that he gets killed?

Then God could do the shooting for a change instead of sending all these nutcases that claim He made them (kill the politician/bomb the abortion clinic/throw the plane on the building/invade Palestine/propose abstinence-only AIDS education/mix church and state/et motherfucking cetera). :p

But what if it's God's plan that he gets killed?

*pounces on Wil and captures him inside a potato sack*
Don't spoil it for teh GOD!:eek:

If they were going to kill him I think they would have already done it. They've had many oportunities.

Isn't Washington pretty much a no-fly zone?

Besides, a civilian plane jury rigged with such weapons would have terrible accuracy wouldn't it?


Well he doesn't have to be in Washington when the hits takes place now does he? Not to forget a civilian plane can hug the ground and just plain aviod radar stations altogether.

And the plane doesn't have to be jury rigged. A strazing attack out of nowhere at low attuide can at the very least kill many Secret Sevrice Agents and if the plane manged to launched a small bomb out the cockpit. If it goes off his dead. Those if the bomb didn't go off(or more likely because of how unrealistic a bomb is) the machines guns don't take him out on the first strazing run. Then I say a SS agent would have RPG in his hand and would take the plane out.

Whatever you may think of Obama supporters, I for one believe in the value of engaging even the most repulsive ideas in an honest public debate, and consider doing so an important part of democracy. So here's my response to what you just said:

Hmmmmmm.

A ton of talk about "THE BLACK MAN", as if that's all Obama is. Not surprisingly and not unlike everything that's happened since he announced his candidacy, there's little in any of these posts about his policies or political beliefs.
How about this: An intelligent individual with a great deal of love and pride for his or her country doesn't want to see Lady Liberty shackled by the same fascist chains that evil men have tried to bind the world with since the begining of time. Oh, but this time it's been repackaged for the mentally weak. We now call those policies "Progressive". That's awesome isn't it? Progressive = moving forward. Who's not onboard with that?

Tell me, what has Obama ever said or done that justifies these accusations? If you're arguing that Obama is a fascist, I would point out that traditionally fascism is associated with riling up the masses against a scapegoat or external enemy, fanatical patriotism, and extreme militarism. How does this fit Obama, who ran as a uniter, suffered attacks on his patriotism throughout the election, and campaigned largely as the anti-war candidate?

You're basically arguing that it would be understandable (patriotic, perhaps?) for a patriotic American to assassinate the President-Elect of the United States. That's coming dangerously close to inciting violence, which is I believe, a crime.

How about someone with the audacity to think for himself, someone who takes a generic concept like "change" at face value. Someone who doesn't think Obama is going to "pay my bills" and doesn't want him to. Someone who looks at the writing on the wall and then looks a little deeper than those of us who rely on the so called media to spoon feed us facts...as if. And after weighing everything carefully concludes that whatever this man wants to do to our democracy(cause he's not saying much yet) it's not going to be good. In fact in his wife's own words, "Barrak will never allow you to go back to your usual lives."
Quick FACT for those interested in such things: The average span of any political system has historically, since the inception of government been 200 years. Look it up.

You cannot expect anyone to take your arguments seriously if you are unwilling to provide evidence to support them. "Look it up" does not count. If you are going to try to label a Constitutional lawyer and democratically elected Senator and President as a fascist, you need to be able to support it. However, Obama's past actions, campaign management, and stated policies point to a uniter, patriot, and believer in democracy.

From what you've said above, your argument basically rests on the the notion that because we know little about Obama we should assume the worst, plus a questionable statistical average. Nevermind that Obama laid out his policies about as well as any candidate on the campaign trail and also wrote two books which reveal a great deal about his character and beliefs. And that going by your statistical average, any President elected in the last few decades could have been about to destroy our democracy. Based on such arguments, you apparently believe that we are justified in reducing American democracy to the level of Mafia thuggery?

At this point we've surpassed that milestone and until quite recently, respectively speaking, it's been a hell of a run. Of course with the corruption WE'VE ALL allowed into our politics(SEE MEXICO), currently our system scarcely resembles the one which has brought us so far. The way I see it aside from political corruption, most of which lurks within the halls of Congress, America is the most powerful, charitable, inovative, enterpernual, tolerant, diversive, wonderful nation on earth...sorry for the rant.

All these values would be destroyed if America falls to the level of using violence to settle political rivalries.

And you have a lot of nerve to to come near as close as you can to inciting assassination attempts against the President elect of the United States without the police knocking on your door while emphasizing your apparent Mexico phobia in ALL CAPS, and then apologise for ranting about America's values. Values that would be destroyed if Americans choose to meet political opposition with violent rather than legal or political means. But perhaps you are too bigoted to recognize your own hypochrisy.

The point I'm trying to make is that it's not the dipshit, redneck, bible thumper with a brush gun he needs to worry about as so many of you seem to think. Rather, it's the true thinking American who can pick up a history book and see alarming similarities between Obamamania and some pretty horrifying events in our past. The secret service will take care of the idiots. The intelligent free thinking American fearing for the future of his country is the one he needs to watch out for.

Their is nothing intelligent in plunging America into a bloodbath of political violence.

Did it ever occur to you that because Obama represents a historic first, he would probably inspire powerful emotions regardless of anything else? Besides, charisma and popularity is hardly proof of a sinister agenda. Should Regan have died because he was popular? Does every celebrity, priest or minister who can stir up a congregation deserve to die as well? If violence becomes the way of dealing with political opponents, everything that makes America worth living in, including its democratic process, will be faced with ruin and destruction.

I wouldn't be suprised, though perhaps I would be relieved, if you received a visit from the Secret Service to ask you just what you meant by these comments. I say this as a proud believer in freedom of speech: I support every human being's right to publicly express their hatred, bigotry, and ignorance without fear of legal reprisals. But once someone attempts to advocate violent action based on those beliefs, they have crossed a line, and at that point the law has a right to treat them the way it does any terrorist. You are very close to that line. You need to step back now.

They'll try, but they'll fail...whoever "they" are. The Secret Service, despite some of the problems they've been faced with, have learned a lot from their past experiences. They've learned how to react to on-the-ground attackers, they've learned how to respond to distance attackers, and they're highly protected from free radical attackers (see: flying a 747 into the White House). Obama is fairly safe.

*pounces on Wil and captures him inside a potato sack*
Don't spoil it for teh GOD!:eek:

Funny

It's the usual "Obama can inspire people, so could Adolf Hitler! Obama is Hitler!" bullcrap with a nice coat of paint. ROFL indeed.

Thing is, it's not all that similar. I mean, Hitler and his Nazis got their start by beating people up in the streets. What he ended up doing shouldn't have really been a surprise. Considering that Obama has also said we should work with other nations VS Hitler wanting to reclaim the Fatherland piece by piece... yeah. Not too similar.

Thing is, it's not all that similar. I mean, Hitler and his Nazis got their start by beating people up in the streets. What he ended up doing shouldn't have really been a surprise. Considering that Obama has also said we should work with other nations VS Hitler wanting to reclaim the Fatherland piece by piece... yeah. Not too similar.

The problem is, Obama isn't folksy, which scares people. *nods*

Thing is, it's not all that similar. I mean, Hitler and his Nazis got their start by beating people up in the streets. What he ended up doing shouldn't have really been a surprise. Considering that Obama has also said we should work with other nations VS Hitler wanting to reclaim the Fatherland piece by piece... yeah. Not too similar.

Hitler also didnt get the majority of the vote. He got like...33%, but there were something like 8 parties running.

The problem is, Obama isn't folksy, which scares people. *nods*

Was Hitler folksy? I...I think so. He supported traditional German values after all, right?

Hitler and his Nazis got their start by beating people up in the streets.

Oh? o_O

the nazis arent dumb there gonna wait till he starts doing some good 4 the contry then wack him off they want him to f up reely bad so they can get a canident they like whos carismatic. how do u think hitler got in power they blamed evry thing on the jews but this time it will bee on the blacks and they will have a '' LIGIT'' reson as they will say

oh goodness . i mean hes the first black{well half black} president and i mean if anyones going to get shot its going to be us blacks unless its us shooting first, u no what im sayin

monica is a perfect example of how good assasins have got and weve come out with a truck load of new technology to help them get the job done

point blank hes almost black and hes going to get shot

Snip. u no what im sayin Snip

No I don't and I don't wanna.

the nazis arent dumb there gonna wait till he starts doing some good 4 the contry then wack him off they want him to f up reely bad so they can get a canident they like whos carismatic. how do u think hitler got in power they blamed evry thing on the jews but this time it will bee on the blacks and they will have a '' LIGIT'' reson as they will say

One, that borders on... no it crosses the border into incoherency. Two, America now is not Germany in the thirties, and most voters will not take any failiures on Obama's part as an excuse to kill all blacks.

In any case, an attack on Obama would likely generate sympathy for him and a backlash against the racists.

point blank hes almost black and hes going to get shot

What is it about this topic that attracts semi-coherent noobs with vapid, air-headed posts?

God, the way you talk about it, you'd think you found the idea of his assassination a source of humor.:rolleyes:

point blank hes almost black and hes going to get shot

Wow...just wow....if the FBI, CIA and SS weren't watching this thread, they are now.

the nazis arent dumb there gonna wait till he starts doing some good 4 the contry then wack him off they want him to f up reely bad so they can get a canident they like whos carismatic. how do u think hitler got in power they blamed evry thing on the jews but this time it will bee on the blacks and they will have a '' LIGIT'' reson as they will say

What? Seriously, What did you say?

oh goodness . i mean hes the first black{well half black} president and i mean if anyones going to get shot its going to be us blacks unless its us shooting first, u no what im sayin

No, I don't know what you're saying, and I have a feeling I don't want to know.

monica is a perfect example of how good assasins have got and weve come out with a truck load of new technology to help them get the job done

Wait...so an assassin job is to give President BJs?

Also, to the three posters that I quoted above.

http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/english-do-you-speak-it-demotivational-poster.jpg

i know were i live theres alot racies ppl and they want him dead but they want him to f up first

possibul "Wait...so an assassin job is to give President BJs?"

possibul "Wait...so an assassin job is to give President BJs?"

Funniest. Post. EVER! :D

i know were i live theres alot racies ppl and they want him dead but they want him to f up first

Have these individuals said anything specific that would constitute a threat to Obama? If so, its your responsibility to report it to law enforcement.

Funniest. Post. EVER! :D

I'd have to agree.

Then you have to wonder, how is giving someone a BJ killing them?

hiding a knife in her snach has been done before

no they wish it were to lasy in tx

Incidentally, as a result of this thread, I am considering officially petitioning the Admins to add a "wanker" smiley.

I'd have to agree.

Then you have to wonder, how is giving someone a BJ killing them?

She did kill All Gore... :p

"Have these individuals said anything specific that would constitute a threat to Obama? If so, its your responsibility to report it to law enforcement." ur pro obama rite i personaly voted for bob barr

"Incidentally, as a result of this thread, I am considering officially petitioning the Admins to add a "wanker" smiley." lol yea start a petision

no they wish it were to lasy in tx

Ok, please repeat that in clear English.

I don't mean to be rude, but you might as well realize that forums are a literary form of communication, and that you should at least be able to post in an understandable fasion. And this is coming from a guy who gets regularily criticized for poor spelling.;)

meanwile -> wanker

"Have these individuals said anything specific that would constitute a threat to Obama? If so, its your responsibility to report it to law enforcement." ur pro obama rite i personaly voted for bob barr

I don't have to support a candidate for office to consider a threat against them a serious matter. I am disgusted by the implication that you must be an Obama supporter to care about weather someone kills him.

as do i i have problems translating my ideas into legabal writing or typing so its ok

hiding a knife in her snach has been done before

That must either be one small knife or one big snatch.

no they wish it were to lasy in tx

huh? Honestly, grammar and spelling are your friends. Use Firefox, it has a spell checker.

"Have these individuals said anything specific that would constitute a threat to Obama? If so, its your responsibility to report it to law enforcement." ur pro obama rite i personaly voted for bob barr

Ok, that's great, but that wasn't what he asked.

"Incidentally, as a result of this thread, I am considering officially petitioning the Admins to add a "wanker" smiley." lol yea start a petision

Once again, grammar and spelling.

i relly dont care what happens in this contry im moving out asap

i relly dont care what happens in this contry im moving out asap

Sorry, but America is a superpower, and that means its politics effect the rest of the world. Tough realities, and all that.

Sorry, but America is a superpower, and that means its politics effect the rest of the world. Tough realities, and all that.

Yea, but I think China will take over that spot pretty soon.

Until China becomes a nation of sexually repressed males, and then we're...just all screwed.....

not 4 long if the chinese have there say

not 4 long if the chinese have there say

China is running into a dead end. They are utterly destroying their environment, and they don't have the resources to provide a decent standard of living to all their people. And its not like they're untouched by the current economic problems. China's reign will be very short and end very badly, I fear.

look ppls usa polcy is over 100 years old the only reson were a super power is becaus of spanih american war

look ppls usa polcy is over 100 years old the only reson were a super power is becaus of spanih american war

No. No its not.

WWII. Spanish American war didnt really do that much.

look ppls usa polcy is over 100 years old the only reson were a super power is becaus of spanih american war

The way the environment and economy are going, their are not going to be any superpowers much longer.

The way the environment and economy are going, their are not going to be any superpowers much longer.

The economy is going to recover.

"No. No its not.

WWII. Spanish American war didnt really do that much."
without s vs a we would of been torn to bits by japan

No, they won't kill him. Because a large percentage (not a majority, but a sizable minority) of the people who opposed him are apathetic know-nothings who voted solely because of nonsense they heard on the internet and from the McCain campaign and haven't given a thought to politics since; and a large portion of the remainderare probably too stupid to feed and clothes themselves in the morning, as evidenced by their lunatic continued support of Snowmobile McGee. While they doubtless would love to kill Obama because Jebus told them to, their laughable antics will be either amusing in their comical failures or they'd provide an excuse to purge the nation of them in the (perishingly unlikely) event of success. For instance, dressing up like penguins and killing black people in a tristate binge planned over beer and myspace? That's not an assassination plot, that's the latest Harold and Kumar vehicle.

There are, of course, a large number of people who based their opposition to Obama on genuine policy issues as opposed to the Jebus or because Snowmobile McGee is 'one of them' and would gladly kill him given the chance. Luckily, the Clinton clan has appeared to have reconciled with Barack Obama, and I don't think we need to fear any assassinations from that quarter.

It's worth noticing that not a single presidential assassination (apart from JFK, which was a fluke anyway) has succeeded since the inception of the Secret Service, and at present the Secret Service is more than prepared for a lone nut with a gun.

"No. No its not.

WWII. Spanish American war didnt really do that much."
without s vs a we would of been torn to bits by japan

No we wouldn't have. America is a huge country, population and resource wise. It wasn't some islands in the Pacific that ultimately won the war. It was America's industrial production capabilities.

No we wouldn't have. America is a huge country, population and resource wise. It wasn't some islands in the Pacific that ultimately won the war. It was America's industrial production capabilities.

Yep.

Oh? o_O

Er...yeah? We just finished a unit about Weimar Germany. We did a simulation, pretending to be party members or citizens who were voting in the--IIRC--1933 election. I got to be Hugo. A 30-year old factory worker who'd been laid off 10 years previously and--when I couldn't find work, slept on benches. In doing the research, we learned about how Hitler's Nazis would roam the streets looking for "communists"--which basically included everyone they wanted to beat up in addition to the communists.

Er...not that the communists were all that much better.

have you ever hered of doppelkrige aka germans on one side of the world winning the war at time of our entrance and also japaness winning there wars if we didnt have s and a war panama canal woldof not been bulit = no costemers in china at the time world war one would of ended up the same exept we would not bee there becaus little navy and ww2 would be in hitlers favor becaus wed be a big contry with basicly no army becaus s and a war started ameraicn imperialism

have you ever hered of doppelkrige aka germans on one side of the world winning the war at time of our entrance and also japaness winning there wars if we didnt have s and a war panama canal woldof not been bulit = no costemers in china at the time world war one would of ended up the same exept we would not bee there becaus little navy and ww2 would be in hitlers favor becaus wed be a big contry with basicly no army becaus s and a war started ameraicn imperialism

I cant decide if your ideas seem awful because youre on crack, are ignorant, or dont use punctuation.

i don use puncuation lol i dont do that stuff sry

i don use puncuation lol i dont do that stuff sry

Punctuation or crack?

Punctuation or crack?

Both.

Punctuation sucks.

Anyway he said puncuation not punctuation.

No we wouldn't have. America is a huge country, population and resource wise. It wasn't some islands in the Pacific that ultimately won the war. It was America's industrial production capabilities.

Also the fact that the Japanese failed to destroy the US aircraft carriers had a hand in it as well.

Both.

Punctuation sucks.

Anyway he said puncuation not punctuation.

Some Secret Service guys are loling right now.

Also the fact that the Japanese failed to destroy the US aircraft carriers had a hand in it as well.

To be fair, that was because everyone thought it would come down to battleships.

To be fair, that was because everyone thought it would come down to battleships.

I seem to remember from a documentary IIRC it was "The World at War" that the Japanese did want to destroy the US aircraft carriers as they knew it would help greatly their plans to take the Pacific. Unfortunately for them the carriers were out of the harbour December 7th.

I seem to remember from a documentary IIRC it was "The World at War" that the Japanese did want to destroy the US aircraft carriers as they knew it would help greatly their plans to take the Pacific. Unfortunately for them the carriers were out of the harbour December 7th.

Congratulations. This has now been turned into a Pearl Harbour conspiracy thread.

Congratulations. This has now been turned into a Pearl Harbour conspiracy thread.

Hang on, what?

Hang on, what?

You brought up the carriers being out of the harbour that day. It is now inevitable.

You brought up the carriers being out of the harbour that day. It is now inevitable.

Oh ok, I thought you were saying I was proposing a conspiracy theory.

I seem to remember from a documentary IIRC it was "The World at War" that the Japanese did want to destroy the US aircraft carriers as they knew it would help greatly their plans to take the Pacific. Unfortunately for them the carriers were out of the harbour December 7th.

They probably wanted to destroy them as well, but I seem to recall reading that not only did we turn to our carriers out of desperation--being that we just didn't have the battleships anymore--but also that the Japanese were holding back an impressive number of battleships in preparation for a naval battle that never happened.

They probably wanted to destroy them as well, but I seem to recall reading that not only did we turn to our carriers out of desperation--being that we just didn't have the battleships anymore--but also that the Japanese were holding back an impressive number of battleships in preparation for a naval battle that never happened.

Well I think that that naval battle that never happened was because Midway happened where the two fleets never actually saw each other. I am just trying to remember it exactly, I have read up a lot on WWII (back in my infatuation days) but I don't have any of the respectable documentaries or books near me, but the Japanese did have a large fleet of aircraft carriers also.

No, although not because everyone likes him...

Its just that security is alot tighter than in the Sixties...itd require a level of organization that the majority of US nutjobs dont have...

Afterall, if it were so easy, dont you think Bushd be dead by now?

With the secret service around, its a bit impossible to kill Obama.

With the secret service around, its a bit impossible to kill Obama.

Define 'a bit impossible'?

Reminds me of the Sex Panther fragrance in Anchorman ...
"They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time."

Or not, and I just wanted to get my first Anchorman quote on these boards ... :rolleyes:

Define 'a bit impossible'?

Reminds me of the Sex Panther fragrance in Anchorman ...
"They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time."

Or not, and I just wanted to get my first Anchorman quote on these boards ... :rolleyes:

>.>

*Blames Canada*

>.>

*Blames Canada*

Why, what did they do now?

Why, what did they do now?

I dunno... :p

Well I think that that naval battle that never happened was because Midway happened where the two fleets never actually saw each other. I am just trying to remember it exactly, I have read up a lot on WWII (back in my infatuation days) but I don't have any of the respectable documentaries or books near me, but the Japanese did have a large fleet of aircraft carriers also.

The japanese had built a defense doctrine for 30 years in plans for then the Americans and Japanese contested the Pacific. they believed a large American Armada of battleships would steam from Hawaii into Tokyo bay and there would be a big battleship showdown.

the aircraft carrier began to make that obsolete.

The sudden appearance of noobs in this thread is odd.

The sudden appearance of noobs in this thread is odd.

And yet they're not too bad.

Poll is slanted.

No option for they won't kill him but not everyone likes Obama

I agree.

The sudden appearance of noobs in this thread is odd.

Meaning me and Miskonia?

Everyone has to start sometime, right?

The japanese had built a defense doctrine for 30 years in plans for then the Americans and Japanese contested the Pacific. they believed a large American Armada of battleships would steam from Hawaii into Tokyo bay and there would be a big battleship showdown.

the aircraft carrier began to make that obsolete.

Well I have never heard about that before, not saying ti isn't true but considering that I have read up a lot on the subject I am sure I would have read or heard about it somewhere. They certainly knew that the fleet of battleships amongst other US warships would hinder their plans in controlling the Pacific, but not just steaming into Tokyo.

Meaning me and Miskonia?

Everyone has to start sometime, right?

Yeah, but it's the concentration that's a bit odd. Meh.

Well I have never heard about that before, not saying ti isn't true but considering that I have read up a lot on the subject I am sure I would have read or heard about it somewhere. They certainly knew that the fleet of battleships amongst other US warships would hinder their plans in controlling the Pacific, but not just steaming into Tokyo.

As I understand it, the strike at Pearl Harbor was crucial to the master strategist. He knew that Japan could never hope to match American war industry potential, and the only way to win a war would be to make a lethal first blow to its Pacific fleet, ensuring near uncontested control for the first few years and force America to sign a peace treaty if they could take the US controlled Pacific islands.

FASCISM
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator,

This one is kind of a stretch. I understand that the fact that Obama’s solution to virtually every problem we currently face revolves around a new government agency, legislation or a handout of some kind is pretty weak. So I guess I’ll just rely on the documented quotes from those whom for some reason believe an Obama presidency will mean the end of paying their bills.

Oh yeah, and these guys:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pledge+to+Obama&search_type=&aq=f

stringent socioeconomic controls,
Does taxing the coal industry out of existence qualify? If not, I’ve got nothing.

suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship,
Again, hard to make a case on this aspect of fascism . PASS. Besides I’m watching FAUX news, waiting for Barbara West to interview Obama…and waiting…and waiting…

and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
Yet again, you’ve got me KNIGHT. But since you seem know a lot about Obama, maybe you can tell me how long until we get this “civilian defense force”? I’m thinking if he’s serious about arming and equipping this force as well as our military I’ll hold on to my money and wait for the civilian issue fully auto M4.Maybe I can join up with these guys:
http://www.youtube.com/results?
search_query=pledge+to+Obama&search_type=&aq=f

Oh, yeah, can anyone let me know who I’ll be defending and from whom will I be defending them. I know, details details. Thanx :D

Well I guess when all is said and done KNIGHTS you are right about my confusion with Obama and fascism. Thanks for the eye opener. But you’ve got to admit of some of his promises and policies, though I realize he’s revealed few, that there is an ever so slight air of Socialism. HAHAHA jk

As to the haters here, I can’t say I’m shocked at the small minded insults presented as responses. Nor do I care. I understand, that’s what you do. The good news is you’re free give your opinions, regardless how infantile, for at least another couple months.

And to the guy who asked if we should sit around and wait for an intelligent thinking American to kill Obama I say HELL NO!!! You clearly misunderstand. My point was simply that while the mentally inept toss around rhetoric and clichés about “Bible thumping, redneck racists are gonna try and kill the Savior”, I chose to read the entire thread and give my honest opinion.
Lol
Sorry ‘bout that.

And to the guy who thinks I need some attention from the Secret Service for my post I can only say that once again, you misunderstand. At the risk of sounding repetitive, try to understand. If you want to buy into all the small minded rhetoric implying that only Jesus freaks with guns and racist hillbillies cast votes for anyone other than Obama then you’re simply fooling yourself OR you’re so incredibly ignorant that you need things dumbed down to little tiny concepts you can wrap you head around. You know, the kind of idiot who thinks 53% of the popular vote is a mandate. My intent was not to incite violence against Obama any more than was that of the person who started this ridiculously provocative thread in the first place. If you still don’t get the point don’t worry, it clearly doesn’t concern you. Why not go start your own little thread called “Say Stuff I Like”.

FASCISM
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator,

This one is kind of a stretch. I understand that the fact that Obama’s solution to virtually every problem we currently face revolves around a new government agency, legislation or a handout of some kind is pretty weak. So I guess I’ll just rely on the documented quotes from those whom for some reason believe an Obama presidency will mean the end of paying their bills.

Oh yeah, and these guys:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pledge+to+Obama&search_type=&aq=f

I've never heard anyone say they won't have to pay their bills under Obama. But regardless, its what he actually does that matters, not what a few jackasses say he'll do.

stringent socioeconomic controls,
Does taxing the coal industry out of existence qualify? If not, I’ve got nothing.

I'm pretty sure that's an exaggeration. He might want to get rid of the coal industry in the long run (and frankly the enviroment would probably be better for it), but I haven't heard about any plans to eliminate coal anytime soon. Obama's energy plan involves a variety of sources, including nuclear and oil. I haven't heard much about coal specifically, but the above sounds like GOP election propoganda and I will consider it such until I see a specific source. No offense, but their are so many unsubstantiated claims getting thrown around by both sides during an election that I'd be a fool to take that claim at face value.

suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship,
Again, hard to make a case on this aspect of fascism . PASS. Besides I’m watching FAUX news, waiting for Barbara West to interview Obama…and waiting…and waiting…

Obama has said he will have a Republican on his cabinate, and he's keeping Bush's defense secretary on for a while as well. He's shutting down Guantanamo. Nor can I recall a single instance of Obama advocating censorship. He did vote for immunity for warrentless wiretapping if I recall, but frankly he would have been attacked by the opposition for not doing so, and its likely their were other things he supported attached to that bill as well (as is often the case, forcing politicians to compromise on some things to get other things).

and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
Yet again, you’ve got me KNIGHT. But since you seem know a lot about Obama, maybe you can tell me how long until we get this “civilian defense force”? I’m thinking if he’s serious about arming and equipping this force as well as our military I’ll hold on to my money and wait for the civilian issue fully auto M4.Maybe I can join up with these guys:
http://www.youtube.com/results?
search_query=pledge+to+Obama&search_type=&aq=f

I too would like to here about the "civilian defense force". Obviously their are some nasty images associated with a name like that, but since Obama doesn't have a history of supporting fascism, I'll wait to panic until I've heard more than just the name and vauge speculation.

Oh, yeah, can anyone let me know who I’ll be defending and from whom will I be defending them. I know, details details. Thanx :D

Well I guess when all is said and done KNIGHTS you are right about my confusion with Obama and fascism. Thanks for the eye opener. But you’ve got to admit of some of his promises and policies, though I realize he’s revealed few, that there is an ever so slight air of Socialism. HAHAHA jk[/QUOTE]

Only by American standards. In much of Europe or even Canada, he'd probably be considered right of center.

As to the haters here, I can’t say I’m shocked at the small minded insults presented as responses. Nor do I care. I understand, that’s what you do. The good news is you’re free give your opinions, regardless how infantile, for at least another couple months.

We'll all be free to give our opinions for the next four to eight years at any rate, as free as we ever have been. Obama is a Constitutional lawyer, and he has expressed his determination to work with his political opponents. Frankly its probably the Christian right that is most likely to restrict what Americans can say.

And to the guy who asked if we should sit around and wait for an intelligent thinking American to kill Obama I say HELL NO!!! You clearly misunderstand. My point was simply that while the mentally inept toss around rhetoric and clichés about “Bible thumping, redneck racists are gonna try and kill the Savior”, I chose to read the entire thread and give my honest opinion.
Lol

I think comparatively few people think of Obama as "the Savior". One does not have to be the second coming to be far, far better than the last eight years. Plus he's a historic first, and that always gets people excited. Oh, and I accidentally cut out the last bit of the above quote, sorry.

And to the guy who thinks I need some attention from the Secret Service for my post I can only say that once again, you misunderstand. At the risk of sounding repetitive, try to understand. If you want to buy into all the small minded rhetoric implying that only Jesus freaks with guns and racist hillbillies cast votes for anyone other than Obama then you’re simply fooling yourself OR you’re so incredibly ignorant that you need things dumbed down to little tiny concepts you can wrap you head around. You know, the kind of idiot who thinks 53% of the popular vote is a mandate. My intent was not to incite violence against Obama any more than was that of the person who started this ridiculously provocative thread in the first place. If you still don’t get the point don’t worry, it clearly doesn’t concern you. Why not go start your own little thread called “Say Stuff I Like”.

I'll presume this was directed at me, so I just have to say that I am fully aware their are others who might want to kill Obama. As a short list: Muslim fanatics who view him as apostate, businesses that might get more regulated, and just your random nut with no real motive outside their own mental illnesses. However, the fact that he's black, and was the target of racist rhetoric throughout much of the campaign, means the racist hick threat is probably a lot higher than usual.

As to weather you were trying to incite violence against Obama, well I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Miscommunications in an on-line discussion are hardly a new occurrence. However, when you describe a likely Obama assailant as intelligent, patriotic, and a "true-thinking American", surely you can see where people might get the idea that you endorse such actions. If that wasn't your intent, then I'm damn glad to hear it, and I regret any misunderstanding. I do suggest, however, that when dealing with such an emotional, provocative, and dangerous topic, that you first get your facts strait with supporting sources, and second, that you take the time to consider very carefully how you word what you say, simply to prevent misunderstandings of that sort.

i certainly hope that they dont kill him but i'm afraid somebody is willing to do time in prison for killing obama

i certainly hope that they dont kill him but i'm afraid somebody is willing to do time in prison for killing obama

They'll have to be willing to die, or at least do life with no possibility of parole if the Secret Service doesn't kill them.

Meaning me and Miskonia?

Everyone has to start sometime, right?

And others less rational, I'm afraid.;)

They'll have to be willing to die, or at least do life with no possibility of parole if the Secret Service doesn't kill them.

yes but i think there are such creatures in america

yes but i think there are such creatures in america

There are some everywhere. Its why Presidents have armed security.

I'm not willing to give up yet.