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I just read the following article:



Fatwa Issued Against Italian Politician

A far right Italian politician -- nicknamed "The Sheriff" -- has reportedly been slapped with a fatwa in response to his anti-Islam, and anti-immigrant, rhetoric. But it may only encourage him.

He likes to express controversial opinions, like the notion that police should "ethnically cleanse" homosexuals or that immigrants in public parks should be "dressed up like rabbits" and used for target practice. But now Giancarlo Gentilini, the deputy mayor of the northeastern Italian city of Treviso, has reportedly had a fatwa declared against him.

"I defend my culture, my religion and civilization without any fear, and so it is natural that I will make some enemies," Gentilini, who belongs to the anti-immigrant, far-right Northern League party, told the Italian news agency ANSA Friday.

A anti-immigration poster for the Northern League in Italy reads: "Now they live on reservations. Think about it."
Gentilini's name can be found on a list of men to be killed on an Islamic Web site based in Lebanon, according to ilpadano.com, a news site with ties to the Northern League. The site's name is related to the term "Padania," which the party uses to denote northern Italy.

According to ilpadano.com, the fatwa was issued in response to Gentilini's "blaspheming" Islam. Police consider the reports credible, according to ANSA, which adds that the fatwa was issued several months ago.

Gentilini -- who served as mayor of Treviso for two terms before taking his current job -- has been no stranger to controversy. "I want to see a revolution against those that want to open mosques and Islamic centers," he told a Northern League gathering in Venice in September 2008. "This also includes the members of the church hierarchy here who say that we should leave them alone to pray. No, let them go pray in the desert. I'll open a factory to give them the carpets they need to pray on in the desert."

He has also advocated removing benches from public parks to keep immigrants from using them, saying "we should dress them up as rabbits and go bang, bang, bang with a rifle."

He even launched a crusade last summer against non-local dogs in Treviso, according to ANSA. "We don't want foreign breeds here," he said.

In response to the alleged fatwa, Gentilini's security detail has been augmented. His outspoken views have forced the deputy mayor -- who claims to be fearless and relishes his nickname "The Sheriff" -- to live under police protection for five years.

Mind you, I can't help feeling that the world might be better off without people like him, but I can't help wondering if fighting fire with fire is really a good idea.
He does entice to violence against random groups of people. Can that justify to entice to violence against him?

Edit : oops, forgot the link : http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,592416,00.html

Sorry, I'm getting distracted by the "singlemuslim.com" ads....

Sorry, I'm getting distracted by the "singlemuslim.com" ads....

*lol Same here...

Fatwas are silly. I'm glad that my religion does not have them.

Well, at least he's got balls, even if I don't agree with his message.

While I have no love of bigots, I also have no love of the idea of fatwa. As the saying goes, 'An eye for an eye makes the world blind'.

Well, at least he's got balls, even if I don't agree with his message.

The size of the balls being more important than the size of the brain?

let the bigots and the Islamic fundies fight it out. It doesn't concern the rest of Italian or Muslims civilization.

The size of the balls being more important than the size of the brain?

Send in the Brain Balls!

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Mind you, I can't help feeling that the world might be better off without people like him, but I can't help wondering if fighting fire with fire is really a good idea.
He does entice to violence against random groups of people. Can that justify to entice to violence against him?

Edit : oops, forgot the link : http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,592416,00.html

Quite honestly, if he's said some of those things, I don't see why he's in prison for inciting crimes. God knows the Caliph of Cologne has been extradited to Turkey for similar things.

Quite honestly, if he's said some of those things, I don't see why he's in prison for inciting crimes. God knows the Caliph of Cologne has been extradited to Turkey for similar things.

Italy might have different laws. And he is deputy mayor...

Maybe if we can get all the fundies to fight each other we wouldn't have to deal with them anymore.

Maybe if we can get all the fundies to fight each other we wouldn't have to deal with them anymore.

The problem being one side would win, and if you are not on their side then you are the enemy. That's fundementalism for ya.

Italy might have different laws. And he is deputy mayor...Then let us hope that immunity of his office is the only thing keeping him from a trial over that "target practice" blurb.

Cage death match anyone?

Cage death match anyone?

Thunderdome. :D

Thunderdome. :D

But....we don't need another hero?

Thunderdome. :D

Too bad Mills Lane had a stroke awhile back, he could referee the fight. He was the referee during the famous 1997 Holyfield Vs. Tyson fight. You know, the famous ear biting fight.

But....we don't need another hero?

"Well ain't we a pair, Raggety man." -Auntie Entity

He does entice to violence against random groups of people. Can that justify to entice to violence against him?


Justify, no. Make it understandable, yes.
Gentilini is the guy who, while serving as mayor of Treviso, took away the benches from public parks "so the niggers cannot sleep on them" (sic! "così i negri non ci possono dormire"). He also spurs people into creating anti-immigrant vigilante squads.
Really, he's one of the biggest jerks Italy has ever produced, and that's saying a lot in the country of Mussolini and Berlusconi.

Thunderdome. :D

Whoa, I saw Mad Max just yesterday. I'd love Gentilini vs Bin Laden in the Thunderdome. Whoever wins, we all win.

The size of the balls being more important than the size of the brain?

We have two very vulgar ways of saying that a person is an idiot.
One is "testa di cazzo" (literally "dick-head"), the other one is "coglione" (literally "testicle"). Funny, isn't it?

We have two very vulgar ways of saying that a person is an idiot.
One is "testa di cazzo" (literally "dick-head"), the other one is "coglione" (literally "testicle"). Funny, isn't it?

Well, "he's a balls" isn't exactly a compliment in English either, is it? ;)

Well, "he's a balls" isn't exactly a compliment in English either, is it? ;)

Never heard of this one before, but it fits Gentilini nicely.

Among the vast group of such people there is also this politician, Borghezio of Lega Nord:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG3NVQNadxg
...one of the best (:p) parts: "...una banda di cornuti islamici di merda, detto con il massimo rispetto per gli imam, per tutte queste palandrane del cazzo ... covo di cornuti islamici bastardi che bisognava buttare fuori a calci nel culo..."

Translation: "a band of fucking shitty muslims, and I say this with the utmost respect for the imams, for these long vests of my arse... a hideout for fucking islamic bastards, we needed to kick their asses outta here..."

Borghezio, a MEP (a MEP!!! :headbang:), usually talks like that. Also he was one of the chief promoters of the (failed) anti-islam march at Koeln.

The problem being one side would win, and if you are not on their side then you are the enemy. That's fundementalism for ya.

They might be severely weakened though and no longer a viable political force.

Thunderdome. :D

A rollerball match inside the Thunderdome, now if only there was a way to have a Deathrace involved... *ponders*

Considering that he did everything he possibly could to get a fatwa issued against him, and then his local boys club announced it in their local paper, I would hazard the guess that he wants to incite violence from Muslims as well as against Muslims.

Real life troll, as it were.

Considering that he did everything he possibly could to get a fatwa issued against him, and then his local boys club announced it in their local paper, I would hazard the guess that he wants to incite violence from Muslims as well as against Muslims.

Real life troll, as it were.

Your guess wouldn't be very "hazardous", methinks.

Considering that he did everything he possibly could to get a fatwa issued against him, and then his local boys club announced it in their local paper, I would hazard the guess that he wants to incite violence from Muslims as well as against Muslims.

Real life troll, as it were.

Real life trolls aren't as fun as Internet ones. :(

Real life troll, as it were.

My thoughts exactly. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if there was no fatwa against him, he just made it up.

My thoughts exactly. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if there was no fatwa against him, he just made it up.A case of "GOD BIAS!!!11!!!11!!" ?

but I can't help wondering if fighting fire with fire is really a good idea.


Wondering? Fatwas are both completely retarded, and morally wrong. I can't see any possible defence for them.

Can that justify to entice to violence against him?


Of course not.

Italians are fucked up.

Understandable, if not justified. Still, it might well be counter-productive to issue a fatwa against him, as it lets him play the "Islamic fundamentalists trying to silence the truth through violence" card. I'd be very surprised if he didn't make any political capital out of this.

A dying man once declared one of these on my family O.o

Quite honestly, if he's said some of those things, I don't see why he's in prison for inciting crimes. God knows the Caliph of Cologne has been extradited to Turkey for similar things.
o.o Wait... what? How do you know he's in prison?

Anyway, people shouldn't be imprisoned for expressing their beliefs. The idea that immigrants "should" be used as "target practice" sounds terrible, but unless he actually threatens that they will, be, it's expressing a personal preference, (as in, preferring that they be used as target practice to not) which is, in turn an opinion. Unless, of course, something about the context suggests it isn't about what they would rather but could be considered a direct threat; in which case, freedom of speech does not apply. That said, I don't really quite understand what exactly a "fatwa" means...

o.o Wait... what? How do you know he's in prison?

Anyway, people shouldn't be imprisoned for expressing their beliefs. The idea that immigrants "should" be used as "target practice" sounds terrible, but unless he actually threatens that they will, be, it's expressing a personal preference, (as in, preferring that they be used as target practice to not) which is, in turn an opinion. Unless, of course, something about the context suggests it isn't about what they would rather but could be considered a direct threat; in which case, freedom of speech does not apply. That said, I don't really quite understand what exactly a "fatwa" means...

I think it was a typo and Laerod meant that he should be in prison for inciting violence based on race.

I declared vendetta on my best pal and then got him with a water balloon. Then he poured flour in my bag and we called it off.

Good times, good times.

I don't really quite understand what exactly a "fatwa" means... As much as I dislike political correctness, I'll be practical:
Since fatwas are simply religious decrees, the proper term would be "death fatwa," in this case.

A death fatwa is kind of like an assassination contract that pays in virgins once you die instead of cash. Personally, I'd demand half now, and half upon completion. :D

Wondering? Fatwas are both completely retarded, and morally wrong. I can't see any possible defence for them.

How so?

As much as I dislike political correctness, I'll be practical:
Since fatwas are simply religious decrees, the proper term would be "death fatwa," in this case.

How's that "political correctness"?

Quite honestly, if he's said some of those things, I don't see why he's in prison for inciting crimes.

Italian MP (hence italian MEPs also) cannot be prosecuted easily. Parliamentary commission for authorizing prosecutions etc.

How's that "political correctness"?
I suppose it can be seen as such, to be honest.

A death fatwa is kind of like an assassination contract that pays in virgins once you die instead of cash. Personally, I'd demand half now, and half upon completion. :D

You'd just run off with the downpayment.

You'd just run off with the downpayment.

Now that's totally uncalled fo....

...ah, who am I kidding? Of course I would. :D

It seems like getting a fatwa against oneself is the cool thing to do these days... Where do I sign up for one?

It seems like getting a fatwa against oneself is the cool thing to do these days... Where do I sign up for one?

If you really want one, buy a statue of the prophet Muhammad, go to Mecca, and do disturbing and sick things to the statue. Then you'll have more fatwa than you'll know what to do with!

If you really want one, buy a statue of the prophet Muhammad, go to Mecca, and do disturbing and sick things to the statue. Then you'll have more fatwa than you'll know what to do with!

They won't let me in Mecca. I'm not Muslim.

However making a statue of Mohammad, and then putting make up on him while listening to tears for fears, might do the job.

They won't let me in Mecca. I'm not Muslim.

However making a statue of Mohammad, and then putting make up on him while listening to tears for fears, might do the job.

There ya go! I also heard making cartoons mocking the prophet also helps. A couple of Danes did it a few years back.

They won't let me in Mecca. I'm not Muslim.

However making a statue of Mohammad, and then putting make up on him while listening to tears for fears, might do the job.

And if some really uptight fundie Muslims take it upon themselves to beat the shit out of you after that, you can then say that this is proof that all Muslims are an intolerant terrorist hivemind.

And if some really uptight fundie Muslims take it upon themselves to beat the shit out of you after that, you can then say that this is proof that all Muslims are an intolerant terrorist hivemind.

I have a good feeling that we sent Zilam on a magical journey. *nod*

And if some really uptight fundie Muslims take it upon themselves to beat the shit out of you after that, you can then say that this is proof that all Muslims are an intolerant terrorist hivemind.

Well, to be serious for a minute, when was the last time a Christian chanted death to "everyone under the sun" for a dirty/nasty/blasphemous picture of Christ?

Not all Muslims are intolerant terrorists, or vice versa. But there is a sure connection between action against people who blaspheme Mohammad, which is a funny statement in itself. Blasphemy is the act of speaking against a deity. To blaspheme against Mohammad would be to call him a god. Calling or treating a person as if they were God is shirk in Islam. I always wondered if Muslims considered this when they were raged about so called blasphemies against Mohammad. :D

I have a good feeling that we sent Zilam on a magical journey. *nod*

No, that was the marijuana that did that.

;)

Well, to be serious for a minute, when was the last time a Christian chanted death to "everyone under the sun" for a dirty/nasty/blasphemous picture of Christ?

Ann Coulter, but not for blasphemous pictures of Christ. Just for not being a Christian/Republican/sycophant.