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Captain America: The first Avenger

SaintB
24-11-2008, 19:19
The Captain America movie Entitled The First Avenger was announced not long ago. As of my knowledge Joe Johnston, director of Jurassic Park III, Jumanji, and The Rocketeer. They haven't declared a leading man yet; so NSG, who do you think should play Captain America?


I would cast my vote for either Casper Van Dien or Mark Wahlberg.

Van Dien is to put it bluntly, a hunk, he looks like you would expect Captain America to. He can be a hardass no matter how stupid the movie is (alla Starship Troopers) on top of that.

Mark Wahlberg has "A good wholesome all American look" about him. He's also a good actor with the credit for many good titles behind his belt (see Invincible) and proved he could handle action in his recent lead role in the (not so great) film Max Payne.
Der Volkenland
24-11-2008, 19:25
America is Bad for we elect Barak O'bama.

But in all seriousness, Johnny Depp is my vote. Or Orlando Bloom. PoTC FTW!
The Alma Mater
24-11-2008, 19:28
Forget captain America. Go for Samtron Imperius (http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2994) !

But hmm. Hugh Laurie ;)
Lunatic Goofballs
24-11-2008, 19:34
Captain Chaos > Captain America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFW-PRNQFXk

:D
Neo Bretonnia
24-11-2008, 19:47
Too bad James Marsden has already been Cyclops. He'd have been a good choice.
Yootopia
24-11-2008, 19:54
Pierce Brosnan for the lols.
Wilgrove
24-11-2008, 20:25
Stephen Hawking, also for the lulz.
SaintB
24-11-2008, 20:34
Stephen Hawking, also for the lulz.

Prompting Hollywood to make an actual super serum!
Xomic
24-11-2008, 20:36
OBamaaaaaaaaaaa
Wilgrove
24-11-2008, 20:39
Prompting Hollywood to make an actual super serum!

and on that note, I present to you this SuperDickery page!

Captain America: Say no to drugs! (http://superdickery.com/index.php?view=article&catid=35%3Apropaganda-index&id=861%3Awar-on-drugs-hey-it-counts&option=com_content&Itemid=24)
Tolvan
24-11-2008, 21:11
I'll go with Mark Wahlberg myself.

I've heard rumors of Matthew McConaughey being considered for the role.
Rambhutan
24-11-2008, 21:19
Peter Fonda
Redwulf
24-11-2008, 21:21
and on that note, I present to you this SuperDickery page!

Captain America: Say no to drugs! (http://superdickery.com/index.php?view=article&catid=35%3Apropaganda-index&id=861%3Awar-on-drugs-hey-it-counts&option=com_content&Itemid=24)

Virus dickery. Don't click the link.
Wilgrove
24-11-2008, 21:56
Virus dickery. Don't click the link.

I'm not getting any viruses from SD.com I think it's just your computer.
Forsakia
24-11-2008, 23:31
The real first avenger- Patrick Macnee (http://www.freewebs.com/earthden/John_Steed.jpg)
Santiago I
24-11-2008, 23:33
David Hasselhoff
Verdigroth
25-11-2008, 01:54
Brent Spiner
New Manvir
25-11-2008, 02:29
Jackie Chan.
SaintB
25-11-2008, 06:05
Jackie Chan.

Jackie Chan?
Xenophobialand
25-11-2008, 06:54
No actor comes to mind. Matthew McConawhatsit would be travesty.

Although considering that they're calling it "The First Avenger" says something about the movie quality from the start. Captain America was not a part of the original four Avengers.
Wilgrove
25-11-2008, 06:55
Arnold Schwarzenegger?
SaintB
25-11-2008, 07:00
No actor comes to mind. Matthew McConawhatsit would be travesty.

Although considering that they're calling it "The First Avenger" says something about the movie quality from the start. Captain America was not a part of the original four Avengers.

No he wasn't, but he was the longest lasting. And he WAS the first member of The Ultimates (aka Ultimate Avengers)
Cannot think of a name
25-11-2008, 07:03
If it's Wahlburg I'm not watching. I have a strict "no Wahlburg" policy.
SaintB
25-11-2008, 07:07
If it's Wahlburg I'm not watching. I have a strict "no Wahlburg" policy.

Well, who would you pick?
Cannot think of a name
25-11-2008, 07:50
Well, who would you pick?

An unknown. Captain America is an icon. Unlike most of the heroes, there isn't as much the reliance on the alter ego - you are not casting him in the same way that a Bruce Wayne, Peter Parker, Tony Stark, or Clark Kent is cast. In that respect, you could let an actor 'share' that space in the way that big name actors tend to do.

But Steve Rogers is Captain America in a way that even Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne is not. His 'man out of time' aspect and his ideology are even greater than Clark Kent's. Clark is still trying to fit in, to understand, to marry Lois. There is a greater attempt to seperate Clark the man from Superman, even if (as outlined in the Kill Bill monologue) Superman is Superman and Clark is the made up identity, the disguise.

Even when his alter ego had an existence that was separate he was a comic book artist. Even in his mundane life he created the heroic ideal.

I don't know that using a well known actor in that role is ideal. The closest comparison is Superman, and there when Superman has been cast it has been with people who were relatively unknown actors at the time. I think this is the way to go with Captain America.
Grave_n_idle
25-11-2008, 08:19
An unknown. Captain America is an icon. Unlike most of the heroes, there isn't as much the reliance on the alter ego - you are not casting him in the same way that a Bruce Wayne, Peter Parker, Tony Stark, or Clark Kent is cast. In that respect, you could let an actor 'share' that space in the way that big name actors tend to do.

But Steve Rogers is Captain America in a way that even Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne is not. His 'man out of time' aspect and his ideology are even greater than Clark Kent's. Clark is still trying to fit in, to understand, to marry Lois. There is a greater attempt to seperate Clark the man from Superman, even if (as outlined in the Kill Bill monologue) Superman is Superman and Clark is the made up identity, the disguise.

Even when his alter ego had an existence that was separate he was a comic book artist. Even in his mundane life he created the heroic ideal.

I don't know that using a well known actor in that role is ideal. The closest comparison is Superman, and there when Superman has been cast it has been with people who were relatively unknown actors at the time. I think this is the way to go with Captain America.

So, cast Nathan Fillion, then.
Fonzica
25-11-2008, 08:26
So, cast Nathan Fillion, then.

Hell yes.
Cannot think of a name
25-11-2008, 08:42
So, cast Nathan Fillion, then.

Not a horrible choice. Except for the unintentional irony of a Canadian playing Captain America, plus he's apparently the voice of Wonder Woman's boyfriend in an upcoming video.

(yep, I had to look him up, I didn't recognize the name) Though he's not entirely "unknown" and brings the the whole 'Firefly' thing with him.
DrunkenDove
25-11-2008, 16:23
If it's Wahlburg I'm not watching. I have a strict "no Wahlburg" policy.

The Departed?
Khadgar
25-11-2008, 16:33
Not a horrible choice. Except for the unintentional irony of a Canadian playing Captain America, plus he's apparently the voice of Wonder Woman's boyfriend in an upcoming video.

(yep, I had to look him up, I didn't recognize the name) Though he's not entirely "unknown" and brings the the whole 'Firefly' thing with him.

Fillion also voiced Vigilante on Justice League Unlimited. Though having given it further thought Fillion would probably be a bad choice after the whole Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Horrible%27s_Sing_Along_Blog) thing. No way to go from Captain Hammer to Captain America.
Rambhutan
25-11-2008, 17:01
Walton Goggins always strikes me as quintessentially American.
Ifreann
25-11-2008, 17:09
Get some Mexican to do it.
Grave_n_idle
25-11-2008, 17:17
Fillion also voiced Vigilante on Justice League Unlimited. Though having given it further thought Fillion would probably be a bad choice after the whole Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Horrible%27s_Sing_Along_Blog) thing. No way to go from Captain Hammer to Captain America.

Actually, it was Captain Hammer that convinced me. One is a hammy, unrealistic, thick-headed asshole fake hero... and the other is Captain Hammer.
Grave_n_idle
25-11-2008, 17:22
Not a horrible choice. Except for the unintentional irony of a Canadian playing Captain America, plus he's apparently the voice of Wonder Woman's boyfriend in an upcoming video.

(yep, I had to look him up, I didn't recognize the name) Though he's not entirely "unknown" and brings the the whole 'Firefly' thing with him.

He's unknown enough, but with a little bit of a resume.

Okay, he's not the greatest actor (being fair, he's like... the fifth best actor in Firefly, too)... but.. how good do you have to be, to play Captain America?
Khadgar
25-11-2008, 17:27
He's unknown enough, but with a little bit of a resume.

Okay, he's not the greatest actor (being fair, he's like... the fifth best actor in Firefly, too)... but.. how good do you have to be, to play Captain America?

Have to be good enough to be a completely over the top cheese-ball with a straight face... How about Shatner?
Intangelon
25-11-2008, 17:29
The Captain America movie Entitled The First Avenger was announced not long ago. As of my knowledge Joe Johnston, director of Jurassic Park III, Jumanji, and The Rocketeer. They haven't declared a leading man yet; so NSG, who do you think should play Captain America?


I would cast my vote for either Casper Van Dien or Mark Wahlberg.

Van Dien is to put it bluntly, a hunk, he looks like you would expect Captain America to. He can be a hardass no matter how stupid the movie is (alla Starship Troopers) on top of that.

No. The man cannot act, period. He is a "hunk" and that is ALL he is. He was God-awful in Starship Troopers, and it only worked because the whole film was turned into a B-movie.

Mark Wahlberg has "A good wholesome all American look" about him. He's also a good actor with the credit for many good titles behind his belt (see Invincible) and proved he could handle action in his recent lead role in the (not so great) film Max Payne.

Not tall enough. Cap has to be imposing. Wahlberg can certainly bulk up, but he hasn't got the full stature needed. I'm sure camera trickery and CG editing might fix that, but still.

I think Fillion is a great idea. Especialy if they let a small bit of his natural sarcasm seep into the role.
SaintB
25-11-2008, 20:01
An unknown. Captain America is an icon. Unlike most of the heroes, there isn't as much the reliance on the alter ego - you are not casting him in the same way that a Bruce Wayne, Peter Parker, Tony Stark, or Clark Kent is cast. In that respect, you could let an actor 'share' that space in the way that big name actors tend to do.

But Steve Rogers is Captain America in a way that even Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne is not. His 'man out of time' aspect and his ideology are even greater than Clark Kent's. Clark is still trying to fit in, to understand, to marry Lois. There is a greater attempt to seperate Clark the man from Superman, even if (as outlined in the Kill Bill monologue) Superman is Superman and Clark is the made up identity, the disguise.

Even when his alter ego had an existence that was separate he was a comic book artist. Even in his mundane life he created the heroic ideal.

I don't know that using a well known actor in that role is ideal. The closest comparison is Superman, and there when Superman has been cast it has been with people who were relatively unknown actors at the time. I think this is the way to go with Captain America.

I'm such a geek I got teary eyed.
New Manvir
25-11-2008, 20:12
Jackie Chan?

Hellz Yeah, with Chris Tucker as Bucky
Andaluciae
25-11-2008, 20:28
I'm looking forward to Watchmen far more than the Avenger's movies.
Wilgrove
25-11-2008, 20:32
Hugh Laurie!
Andaluciae
25-11-2008, 20:33
Hugh Laurie!

He must use his natural accent :)
Wilgrove
25-11-2008, 20:35
He must use his natural accent :)

lol! Could you imagine Dr. House being Captain America? lol!
The Alma Mater
25-11-2008, 20:35
Hugh Laurie!

Copycat :p

lol! Could you imagine Dr. House being Captain America? lol!

George from Blackadder fits even better ;)
Andaluciae
25-11-2008, 20:36
lol! Could you imagine Dr. House being Captain America? lol!
Identifying illicit drug use, or hidden sexual behaviors to defeat his enemies!
Wilgrove
25-11-2008, 20:40
Identifying illicit drug use, or hidden sexual behaviors to defeat his enemies!

Don't forget taking them down a peg with every insult he verbalize!
Andaluciae
25-11-2008, 20:43
Don't forget taking them down a peg with every insult he verbalize!

True. By the end of it the villains will have been reduced from supervillains seeking to destroy the world, to petty criminals charged with jaywalking.

He may also make their mother's cry.
Wilgrove
25-11-2008, 20:44
True. By the end of it the villains will have been reduced from supervillains seeking to destroy the world, to petty criminals charged with jaywalking.

He may also make their mother's cry.

What about a cane? I'm a big fan of House and I just can't see Hugh without a cane.
Gift-of-god
25-11-2008, 21:03
Hellz Yeah, with Chris Tucker as Bucky

That would actually be really good. Awesome stunt work, postmodernist cultural irony, and some cheap satire. All I need is some Thai food and Sinuhue to make it perfect.

I'm looking forward to Watchmen far more than the Avenger's movies.

Are they doing this? Really?

They are. yesssssssssssssssssssss.
Dyakovo
25-11-2008, 21:21
Are they doing this? Really?

They are. yesssssssssssssssssssss.

Along with a bunch of others... (http://denofgeek.com/movies/147293/75_comics_being_made_into_films.html)
Grave_n_idle
25-11-2008, 22:26
lol! Could you imagine Dr. House being Captain America? lol!

You know that's not his natural accent, right?
Gift-of-god
25-11-2008, 22:48
I'd like to see Del Toro do Doctor Strange.
Santiago I
25-11-2008, 22:54
Nah.... Doctor House should be Doctor Strange
Neesika
25-11-2008, 22:56
That would actually be really good. Awesome stunt work, postmodernist cultural irony, and some cheap satire. All I need is some Thai food and Sinuhue to make it perfect.


*attack snuggles you from behind*
Neesika
25-11-2008, 22:57
The Departed?

Don't you mean The Depahted?
Poliwanacraca
25-11-2008, 23:02
The guy who played Brad on Boston Legal. He positively exudes all-American-osity. :tongue:
Heinleinites
25-11-2008, 23:29
I don't know...I think John Cena could do a decent Captain America. Nathan Fillion is a good choice too, although i could see him more as Hawkeye.
Xenophobialand
28-11-2008, 04:10
An unknown. Captain America is an icon. Unlike most of the heroes, there isn't as much the reliance on the alter ego - you are not casting him in the same way that a Bruce Wayne, Peter Parker, Tony Stark, or Clark Kent is cast. In that respect, you could let an actor 'share' that space in the way that big name actors tend to do.

But Steve Rogers is Captain America in a way that even Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne is not. His 'man out of time' aspect and his ideology are even greater than Clark Kent's. Clark is still trying to fit in, to understand, to marry Lois. There is a greater attempt to seperate Clark the man from Superman, even if (as outlined in the Kill Bill monologue) Superman is Superman and Clark is the made up identity, the disguise.

Even when his alter ego had an existence that was separate he was a comic book artist. Even in his mundane life he created the heroic ideal.

I don't know that using a well known actor in that role is ideal. The closest comparison is Superman, and there when Superman has been cast it has been with people who were relatively unknown actors at the time. I think this is the way to go with Captain America.

I thought it was a great point right up until you cited the Kill Bill monologue. That's a ripoff from a book written in the 1960's, about the Silver-Age Superman. The modern Superman stemming from The Man of Steel reboot is very, very different because it's Clark who's the real person and Superman who is the disguise.

Point of fact that it's the modern Batman who fits that description: if Bruce Wayne were ever forced to give up being Batman, it would tear his psyche apart, but if Bruce Wayne were to die leaving only Batman, he'd be just fine. By contrast, Superman's greatest wish is to be only Clark Kent.
Zombie PotatoHeads
28-11-2008, 04:53
I'm looking forward to Watchmen far more than the Avenger's movies.
aren't we all, albeit with a lot of worry and apprehension that they'll fuck it up totally.

As for Cap America roles: How about Stone Cold Steve Austin? He has the same name, which is a bonus (especialyl as his acting ain't too hot). And he knows all about taking drugs to become super-strengthed.
Failing that, Steve Coogan. Again the name thing helps. And I'd love to see him act the part as Alan Partridge.
Conserative Morality
28-11-2008, 05:09
Sean Connery.:D