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The assassination of John F. Kennedy, the thirty-fifth President of the United States, took place on Friday, November 22, 1963, in Dallas, Texas, USA at 12:30 p.m. CST (18:30 UTC). This high-profile assassination is probably what brings the most concern for the safety of president-elect Obama.

While this crime has an official explanation (the lone gunman from the Texas School Book Depository) there are many who hold to the Grassy Knoll gunman theory and others. Blame for the plan is placed on Chicago gangs, secret societies, the Bush family, the CIA, and who knows who else. A popular claim in some circles is that it was a Johnson coup d'etat.

All things considered, I think JFK was an above-average president, and I thoroughly enjoyed reading Profiles in Courage. I really don't know what to think about the assassination because there is so much information and misinformation about all aspects of that occasion. Let it be enough to say that no matter what our opinions may be about Barack Obama, let's do what we can to keep this sort of thing from happening again.

let's do what we can to keep this sort of thing from happening again.

Right, Obama should not go to Dealy Plaza in Dallas TX. Anywhere else in Dallas is fine, just not Dealy Plaza. *nod*

Right, Obama should not go to Dealy Plaza in Dallas TX. Anywhere else in Dallas is fine, just not Dealy Plaza. *nod*

As long as the Secret Service watches the Grassy Knoll, detains all tramps, guards the Book Depository site, and keeps the president in an armored car, even Dealy Plaza is OK.

Blame for the plan is placed on Chicago gangs, secret societies, the Bush family, the CIA, and who knows who else.

The Bush family? Seriously? Eight long, long years of Dubya certainly didn't do anything to make me reflect kindly upon the Bushes, but that's a new one.

The Bush family? Seriously? Eight long, long years of Dubya certainly didn't do anything to make me reflect kindly upon the Bushes, but that's a new one.

Bush Sr was the director of the CIA when JFK was shot. Many contemporary conspiracy nuts cream their pants when they think about that. *nod*

As long as the Secret Service watches the Grassy Knoll, detains all tramps, guards the Book Depository site, and keeps the president in an armored car, even Dealy Plaza is OK.Or at least one that isn't a convertible.... A roof is not transparent, it would be hard to get the right shot.

Bush Sr was the director of the CIA when JFK was shot. Many contemporary conspiracy nuts cream their pants when they think about that. *nod*

One of the rumors I've heard more frequently is that the CIA (and I was unaware that Bush Sr was the director at time) were the ones to blame for Kennedy's assassination.

Bush Sr was the director of the CIA when JFK was shot. Many contemporary conspiracy nuts cream their pants when they think about that. *nod*
pssst. he wasnt the director at that time.

Bush Sr was the director of the CIA when JFK was shot. Many contemporary conspiracy nuts cream their pants when they think about that. *nod*Bush Sr. wasn't director in 1976, and he didn't even hold that for a year.

John A. McCone was Director of the CIA in '63.

Bush was not Director of the CIA in 1963; that'd be John Alexander McCone. George H Bush became Director in 1976.

Sorry Luna you beat me to it!

As much as I despised his presidency, even I wish he hadn't been assassinated. RIP.

Or at least one that isn't a convertible.... A roof is not transparent, it would be hard to get the right shot.

The Presidential Limo is sure to have at least aluminum & kevlar armor and bulletproof glass. The undercarriage is probably bomb-resistant, too. It is an armored car, but a little more luxurious than a bank truck.

The assassination of John F. Kennedy, the thirty-fifth President of the United States, took place on Friday, November 22, 1963, in Dallas, Texas, USA at 12:30 p.m. CST (18:30 UTC). This high-profile assassination is probably what brings the most concern for the safety of president-elect Obama.

While this crime has an official explanation (the lone gunman from the Texas School Book Depository) there are many who hold to the Grassy Knoll gunman theory and others. Blame for the plan is placed on Chicago gangs, secret societies, the Bush family, the CIA, and who knows who else. A popular claim in some circles is that it was a Johnson coup d'etat.

All things considered, I think JFK was an above-average president, and I thoroughly enjoyed reading Profiles in Courage. I really don't know what to think about the assassination because there is so much information and misinformation about all aspects of that occasion. Let it be enough to say that no matter what our opinions may be about Barack Obama, let's do what we can to keep this sort of thing from happening again.

Here's why I'm not worried about Obama getting assassinated:

1. Presidential security is very thorough now. They wouldn't even consider Obama riding in a convertible, the danger would be so inherent. They (the secret service) are all well trained and well-equipped.

2. The only people that really would go after Obama right now, besides terrorists, are idiotic ultra-racist KKK guys, who are so dumb that there is no way they could make a plan good enough to even get near Obama.

Look at the skin-heads that tried to off him before the election. EPIC FAIL.

The Bush family? Seriously? Eight long, long years of Dubya certainly didn't do anything to make me reflect kindly upon the Bushes, but that's a new one.

The Bush family killed all the dinosaurs by firing a giant space laser into a crystal in the Earth's core.

The Bush family killed all the dinosaurs by firing a giant space laser into a crystal in the Earth's core.

Damn, they are crafty.

RIP. Whatever your flaws as a man and as a President, you were the only President who ever seemed to prioritize the Space Program. Regardless, no one should have such a fate, and politics should be conducted in the media, the voting booth, in the court house, and on the streets, but never through the barral of a gun.

As for the conspiricy, I just don't know. Their's always lot's of people with the motive to kill a President I suppose, and the accused killer died before he could go on trial. But I haven't made researching the Kenedy assassination a priority, so I hesitate to comment further.

Here's why I'm not worried about Obama getting assassinated:

1. Presidential security is very thorough now. They wouldn't even consider Obama riding in a convertible, the danger would be so inherent. They (the secret service) are all well trained and well-equipped.

2. The only people that really would go after Obama right now, besides terrorists, are idiotic ultra-racist KKK guys, who are so dumb that there is no way they could make a plan good enough to even get near Obama.

Look at the skin-heads that tried to off him before the election. EPIC FAIL.

Famous last words.

The Bush family killed all the dinosaurs by firing a giant space laser into a crystal in the Earth's core.

The Bush in question would have to have been Senator Prescott Bush (R-CT, 1952-1963), and a quick Googling showed no immediate links to the JFK assassination. I think Prescott would have been far too patriotic. Besides, he supported Planned Parenthood and the United Negro College Fund. Hardly the resume of a Kennedy foe. The Bush and Walker families were indeed powerful and wealthy, but I can't see any connection on the face of things.

pssst. he wasnt the director at that time.

Bush Sr. wasn't director in 1976, and he didn't even hold that for a year.

John A. McCone was Director of the CIA in '63.

Bush was not Director of the CIA in 1963; that'd be John Alexander McCone. George H Bush became Director in 1976.

That's just what they want you to think!

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wikipedia says that he was the president of an oil company at the time...

the perfect cover!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html

Prescott Bush was tangentially linked to supporters of Nazi Germany though, if you believe these sometimes-reliable sources.

As much as I despised his presidency...

...and have yet to provide a convincing, soundly defended reason for doing so...

As much as I despised his presidency, even I wish he hadn't been assassinated. RIP.

He probably deserved it.

I suppose we could continue the thread into the next days.

For today, November 23rd, we have three famous births.

Franklin Pierce (1804), Billy the Kid (1859), and Harpo Marx (1888).

Also, the first issue of Life Magazine was published on this day in 1936.

He probably deserved it.

Cute troll is cute.

...and have yet to provide a convincing, soundly defended reason for doing so...

Actually, I have. His blockade of Cuba was both unnecessary and dangerous. One of the times we were unbelievably close to Nuclear war, and JFK escalates the situation.

He also started the Vietnam war, a long and utterly useless war that never should've started.

Cute troll is cute.

I plan on adopting him.

RIP. Whatever your flaws as a man and as a President, you were the only President who ever seemed to prioritize the Space Program. Regardless, no one should have such a fate, and politics should be conducted in the media, the voting booth, in the court house, and on the streets, but never through the barral of a gun.

As for the conspiricy, I just don't know. Their's always lot's of people with the motive to kill a President I suppose, and the accused killer died before he could go on trial. But I haven't made researching the Kenedy assassination a priority, so I hesitate to comment further.
Which is why the aliens had to have him killed. Our TV broadcasts are annoying enough already, without a bunch of humans bothering them in person.

Which is why the aliens had to have him killed. Our TV broadcasts are annoying enough already, without a bunch of humans bothering them in person.

I forgot that angle - but according to Futurama, some aliens like soap operas. They only cause trouble if the transmission was interrupted.

He probably deserved it.

Anyone want to place bets on how long it is until this guy is banned?:headbang:

the parallels between the first roman catholic president and the first 'black' president are indeed interesting.

i wish there WERE something we could all do to make sure it can't or won't happen.
the only thing i can think of is to try and pesuade him not to do what kennidy did.
i mean not about the town so much as riding down the middle of it in an open top car instead of something more resembling an armoured popemobile.

i really don't believe the kennidy thing was the tenth floor of any building, and while i do believe there were hitmen there, they didn't fire the fatal shot either, though the grassy knoll IS still one real possibility.

i think that he needs to make sure either the back of the front seat is armoured or that the part of the front seat he sits behind isn't occupied by a well meaning protector with a hair triggered handgun with no saftey in a hip holster.

the parallels between the first roman catholic president and the first 'black' president are indeed interesting.

i wish there WERE something we could all do to make sure it can't or won't happen.
the only thing i can think of is to try and pesuade him not to do what kennidy did.
i mean not about the town so much as riding down the middle of it in an open top car instead of something more resembling an armoured popemobile.

i really don't believe the kennidy thing was the tenth floor of any building, and while i do believe there were hitmen there, they didn't fire the fatal shot either, though the grassy knoll IS still one real possibility.

i think that he needs to make sure either the back of the front seat is armoured or that the part of the front seat he sits behind isn't occupied by a well meaning protector with a hair triggered handgun with no saftey in a hip holster.

Obama's security is taken seriously. Wasn't he behind bullet-proof glass at his acceptance speech? As long as the Secret Service is still willing to do their jobs, he's got some damn good protection. Also, Obama doesn't strike me as the type to take risks with this sort of thing.

And I should point out that I've never seen evidence that Kenedy's Catholicism played a significant role in the motives for his assassination. If anyone can correct me on that, please do so.

If someone seriously wants to assassinate Obama, they will. The Secret Service can't block off everything.

Obama's security is taken seriously. Wasn't he behind bullet-proof glass at his acceptance speech? As long as the Secret Service is still willing to do their jobs, he's got some damn good protection. Also, Obama doesn't strike me as the type to take risks with this sort of thing.

And I should point out that I've never seen evidence that Kenedy's Catholicism played a significant role in the motives for his assassination. If anyone can correct me on that, please do so.

well i didn't say, nor mean to imply, anything to the contrary of any of that.
my reference to kennidy's catholicism, was that, like obama's racial heiritage, were reasons frequently cited before each of their elections, for claims they could, would, never happen.

however, if what i've come to think most like to have actually happened in the kennidy case were what actually did, there really wasn't any way a secret service agent COULD have stopped the bullet with his body. not unless he was faster then a bullet to have somehow gotten into that particular very small amount of space first.

i'm sure kennidy's security forces were taking their jobs just as seriously too.

failure may sometimes not be an option, but it IS a reality of life.

even if, what i conjecture to have happend, might still have happend in a closed top car, well i do think kennidy's choice to ride in an open top car was a risk. an understandable, legitimate tradoff risk, but none the less one that may have been a contributing factor that proved fatal.

i think it pretty much goes without saying, that when you've got someone who wants to chainge a few things, that intrenched and not neccessarilly all that honest intrests might prefer to not have chainged, that attempts are almost inevitable. i really hope and pray that none of them succeed, and that we have an obama presidency for at least four years, maybe even eight, and that, with all our help, a lot of things that really need chainging, do.