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This wonderful plant...

Nilpnt
22-11-2008, 03:27
Weed, marijuana, pot, herb, green whatever you call it I don't care but what I am wondering is what is your opinion of it?

Personally I love it, can't get enough of it. Smoking right now actually, probally what made me do this thread.

Also another great idea, or question, whatever. Anyway whats the craziest name you've heard it called?
Der Volkenland
22-11-2008, 03:29
Wow... Get counseling is what I reccomend.
Free Soviets
22-11-2008, 03:29
Anyway whats the craziest name you've heard it called?

shawn
Nilpnt
22-11-2008, 03:29
Wow... Get counseling is what I reccomend.

Why?
SaintB
22-11-2008, 03:31
Its, green, its smells bad, it smells worse when it burns, and it makes people act stupid.

No I don't want anything to do with it.
Poliwanacraca
22-11-2008, 03:40
It smells fairly lousy, and like anything else you smoke, it's terrible for your respiratory system. Also, stoned people I've been around act really stupid in much less entertaining ways than drunk people do. Ergo, my opinion is a resounding "meh" coupled with an "and please keep it far away from me."
Zainzibar Land
22-11-2008, 03:48
Hypnotise yourself and you'll get the same effect, and no side effects
Well maybe some insanity, but we all are a little broken anyways
Neesika
22-11-2008, 03:52
I have to disagree with Poli. Most people I see smoking pot end up acting way less stupid than people who drink.

I have no problem with pot smokers. They, as a general rule, do not get violent, or do anything nearly as fucking idiotic as drinkers do...this coming, btw from a drinker. Nor are pot smokers all apathetic losers. I know some brilliant, and extremely successful people who smoke a shitload of pot.

My only complaint about pot is that it gives me the munchies. I love the smell, I love watching my man smoke it, I love watching my friends smoke it, and I'll generally partake a bit with those people. I'd encourage my kids to smoke pot rather than drink.
Neu Leonstein
22-11-2008, 04:04
As long as people don't overdo it, there's nothing wrong with it. But that's the same with pretty much everything.

I like it when people call it "Sweet Mary Jane". It's got something cute to it. :p
Korintar
22-11-2008, 04:06
I am a teetolater. Drugs and alcohol are big no-nos in my book. Smoke around me? Fine, but be prepared to take me to the emergency room if I get a reaction! That said, if tobacco is going to remain legal, legalize medicinal marijuana- cannabis is purported to have some redeeming qualities, tobacco lacks any. If marijuana remains illegal however, ban tobacco as well... imagine which I would prefer! Hint: it is not choice 1.
Neesika
22-11-2008, 04:09
Oh, also weed is fantastic for my motion sickness. Gravol doesn't help me, especially on planes, but weed keeps me from hurling.

I don't agree that it's only okay to smoke in moderation. For quite a few people, habitual use does not impair their function enough to interfere with their job/school/life.
Querinos
22-11-2008, 04:22
I don't do it and I really don't care so long as its not in my home. Its your choice so whatever. I have though, watched a guy do bong hits. He kept getting Star Trek and Stargate confused. It really harsh my geek vibe when he said Spock goes through wormholes.


And yeah you should probably seek help because what you described seemed like a developing emotional crutch (chemical dependency).

oh and... Whacky Tobaccy
Neu Leonstein
22-11-2008, 04:26
I don't agree that it's only okay to smoke in moderation. For quite a few people, habitual use does not impair their function enough to interfere with their job/school/life.
If habitual just means "fairly regularly" then you're right. But there are those people who, perhaps medicating other problems, do smoke way more than they should and at times when they should really be doing better things with their time. I went to a public school and worked at a pizza place for three years, I've seen my share of those.

I don't really thinks it's the weed that does it, but I think South Park phrased it really well in one episode: "Weed makes you feel okay with doing nothing". Obviously that can be taken too far, but as I said, the same principle applies to pretty much everything else.
Peisandros
22-11-2008, 04:41
Weed is okay in moderation. People can get pretty stupid with over-use. But a little here and there is fine.
Neesika
22-11-2008, 04:48
If habitual just means "fairly regularly" then you're right. But there are those people who, perhaps medicating other problems, do smoke way more than they should and at times when they should really be doing better things with their time. I went to a public school and worked at a pizza place for three years, I've seen my share of those.

I don't really thinks it's the weed that does it, but I think South Park phrased it really well in one episode: "Weed makes you feel okay with doing nothing". Obviously that can be taken too far, but as I said, the same principle applies to pretty much everything else.
I don't think weed is the problem...people who are likely to sit around doing nothing are probably going to do nothing regardless. Whether they smoke weed, drink a lot, gorge themselves on fatty foods or fap until the skin comes off their hands...

I tend to hang around motivated, intelligent and interesting people, so I those among that group who smoke dope clearly don't fit into the slacker mould.
Intangelon
22-11-2008, 05:49
I think many users need to get over the weed and over themselves. Old drug meme is old.
New Ziedrich
22-11-2008, 05:55
I don't think marijuana is wonderful at all.
Redwulf
22-11-2008, 06:56
Also another great idea, or question, whatever. Anyway whats the craziest name you've heard it called?

"Dangerous Narcotic".
Redwulf
22-11-2008, 07:01
It smells fairly lousy, and like anything else you smoke, it's terrible for your respiratory system.

That's why you don't SMOKE it.
Chumblywumbly
22-11-2008, 07:03
I have no problem with pot smokers. They, as a general rule, do not get violent, or do anything nearly as fucking idiotic as drinkers do...this coming, btw from a drinker.
"We gotta get the garage door open, so that Dominos knows we're home!"
The One Eyed Weasel
22-11-2008, 07:38
Oh man, I love these arguments....

First off, marijuana is the best drug, hands down. As stated before, I will give you 100 internet cookies to show me...

-A time where someone on marijuana got into a fight/charged with assault
-A time where someone on (strictly) marijuana killed a family happily driving in their car, or caused any accident for that matter.
-A time where someone on marijuana really gave you a problem.
-A time where someone on marijuana overdosed on THC. (http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/mj_overdose.htm)
-A time where someone who used marijuana (and only marijuana) regularly had developed lung cancer
-The list can go on.

People who criticize other people's marijuana use are ignorant. So what if it makes that person stupid. There's a 99 percent chance that you will not be affected by being around someone who is smoking or has smoked pot. Some of the smartest people you know more than likely smoke pot.

Anyway, I'm (obviously) a giant supporter of its use, and I don't even use anymore because of severe bouts of paranoia/panic attacks, but guess what. I quit. It's quite amazing what a hold it had on me.

Criminalization of it needs to be banished throughout the world.
Dyakovo
22-11-2008, 07:59
Oh man, I love these arguments....

First off, marijuana is the best drug, hands down. As stated before, I will give you 100 internet cookies to show me...

-A time where someone on marijuana got into a fight/charged with assault
-A time where someone on (strictly) marijuana killed a family happily driving in their car, or caused any accident for that matter.
-A time where someone on marijuana really gave you a problem.
-A time where someone on marijuana overdosed on THC. (http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/mj_overdose.htm)
-A time where someone who used marijuana (and only marijuana) regularly had developed lung cancer
-The list can go on.

People who criticize other people's marijuana use are ignorant. So what if it makes that person stupid. There's a 99 percent chance that you will not be affected by being around someone who is smoking or has smoked pot. Some of the smartest people you know more than likely smoke pot.

Anyway, I'm (obviously) a giant supporter of its use, and I don't even use anymore because of severe bouts of paranoia/panic attacks, but guess what. I quit. It's quite amazing what a hold it had on me.

Criminalization of it needs to be banished throughout the world.

http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20081121/NEWS/811219941/1001/NONE&parentprofile=1058&title=Minden%20accident%20results%20in%20arrest
http://www.macon.com/149/story/530964.html
http://www.mineralwellsindex.com/local/local_story_325100609.html
http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_10989837

Mind you I admit I did not read the articles, just did a quick google search for "marijuana related accidents" so the news pieces might not all be applicable.
Poliwanacraca
22-11-2008, 08:08
I have to disagree with Poli. Most people I see smoking pot end up acting way less stupid than people who drink.

I have no problem with pot smokers. They, as a general rule, do not get violent, or do anything nearly as fucking idiotic as drinkers do...this coming, btw from a drinker.

Just to be clear, I do agree with this. I just make a point of not hanging out with people who ever do really stupid things like turn violent, and so my experience is just with drinkers who come up with activities like "Let's see if I can sing 'Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious' in Pig Latin!" versus pot smokers who come up with activities like "Let's sit around and giggle at nothing in particular for several hours!" Of the two, I find the former more entertaining. :p
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
22-11-2008, 08:42
I think many users need to get over the weed and over themselves. Old drug meme is old.

^ This one.

I could care less what drugs people use, but you can't escape references to marijuana and its users no matter how little you care - not on t.v., not in music, not in movies, not anywhere can you tune it out. And while I've never used marijuana myself, it doesn't sound like anything special in terms of its effects.

Besides, what could be more beautiful than:

http://opioids.com/opium/papaver.jpg
New Ziedrich
22-11-2008, 09:14
Oh man, I love these arguments....

First off, marijuana is the best drug, hands down. As stated before, I will give you 100 internet cookies to show me...

-A time where someone on marijuana got into a fight/charged with assault
-A time where someone on (strictly) marijuana killed a family happily driving in their car, or caused any accident for that matter.
-A time where someone on marijuana really gave you a problem.
-A time where someone on marijuana overdosed on THC. (http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/mj_overdose.htm)
-A time where someone who used marijuana (and only marijuana) regularly had developed lung cancer
-The list can go on.

People who criticize other people's marijuana use are ignorant. So what if it makes that person stupid. There's a 99 percent chance that you will not be affected by being around someone who is smoking or has smoked pot. Some of the smartest people you know more than likely smoke pot.

Anyway, I'm (obviously) a giant supporter of its use, and I don't even use anymore because of severe bouts of paranoia/panic attacks, but guess what. I quit. It's quite amazing what a hold it had on me.

Criminalization of it needs to be banished throughout the world.

Back when I was in high school, some asshole reeking of marijuana gave me crap because I accidentally insulted his singing skills. He brought in a CD of himself playing the guitar and singing, and he sounded terrible. I didn't know it was was him singing, so I said that it sucked, and he called me a bitch and threatened to fight me. I would've told him to go to hell if he wasn't so freaking huge.

What a talentless asshole that guy was.
Dyakovo
22-11-2008, 09:19
Oh man, I love these arguments....

First off, marijuana is the best drug, hands down. As stated before, I will give you 100 internet cookies to show me...

-A time where someone on marijuana got into a fight/charged with assault
-A time where someone on (strictly) marijuana killed a family happily driving in their car, or caused any accident for that matter.
-A time where someone on marijuana really gave you a problem.
-A time where someone on marijuana overdosed on THC. (http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/mj_overdose.htm)
-A time where someone who used marijuana (and only marijuana) regularly had developed lung cancer
-The list can go on.

People who criticize other people's marijuana use are ignorant. So what if it makes that person stupid. There's a 99 percent chance that you will not be affected by being around someone who is smoking or has smoked pot. Some of the smartest people you know more than likely smoke pot.

Anyway, I'm (obviously) a giant supporter of its use, and I don't even use anymore because of severe bouts of paranoia/panic attacks, but guess what. I quit. It's quite amazing what a hold it had on me.

Criminalization of it needs to be banished throughout the world.

Back when I was in high school, some asshole reeking of marijuana gave me crap because I accidentally insulted his singing skills. He brought in a CD of himself playing the guitar and singing, and he sounded terrible. I didn't know it was was him singing, so I said that it sucked, and he called me a bitch and threatened to fight me. I would've told him to go to hell if he wasn't so freaking huge.

What a talentless asshole that guy was.

Well, if we're including anecdotal evidence, back when I still smoked pot I came within a foot or two of rear ending a school bus...
New Ziedrich
22-11-2008, 10:36
anecdotal evidence

Yeah, sorry about that. Post just reminded me of a story I had, that's all.
Dyakovo
22-11-2008, 10:39
Yeah, sorry about that. Post just reminded me of a story I had, that's all.

nbd, mostly I just made use of it as an excuse to share a story of my own.

People who pretend that marijuana is a completely harmless drug annoy the crap out of me. There are certainly worse drugs out there but that is hardly the point.
The Alma Mater
22-11-2008, 10:48
Its, green, its smells bad, it smells worse when it burns, and it makes people act stupid.

But I like hemp ropes !
Call to power
22-11-2008, 11:49
its okay I guess but hardly a barrel full of monkeys

also it stays in your system for 6 months as opposed to cokes 3 days >.>

worked at a pizza place for three years, I've seen my share of those.

but thats like the only reason I now prefer dominoes to pizza hut :p

well that and pizza hut staff are getting like KFC in sick fuck levels

I tend to hang around motivated, intelligent and interesting people, so I those among that group who smoke dope clearly don't fit into the slacker mould.

your on NSG
Neu Leonstein
22-11-2008, 12:40
well that and pizza hut staff are getting like KFC in sick fuck levels
Lol. You have no idea.
Pure Metal
22-11-2008, 13:06
my opinion is that its awesome fun stuff, but you can overdo it. just be careful if you're depressed or have any other kind of mental illness, cos it can make it worse. other than that, as a recreational bit of fun, i feel its mostly harmless. looking forward to getting my hands on some again sometime :-D
i used to toke every day, but wound up pretty depressed and stopped. its been almost 5 years now :( i've had the occasionall joint (once or twice with friends, once in Amsterdam), so i'm a bit overdue for some more :P

as for names... these are some of the ones i'm familiar with. maybe some of them are colloquial to britain? bud, green, ganja, chronic, weed, pot (we don't say that one much, if ever), herb, puff, skunk (used as a general term); hash, resin, solid... that's about all i can think of off the top of my head :)
Lunatic Goofballs
22-11-2008, 13:50
I don't need it. I'm a goofball. :)
Call to power
22-11-2008, 13:54
Lol. You have no idea.

*sits in quiet circle waiting for NL's stories of why I will never buy dominoes again*

I don't need it. I'm a goofball. :)

have you ever had someone try to smoke you? because your probabaly just about ripe enough now :)
Lunatic Goofballs
22-11-2008, 13:57
have you ever had someone try to smoke you? because your probabaly just about ripe enough now :)

I am not for smoking, I am to be taken orally. :) :eek: :D
Hurdegaryp
22-11-2008, 14:41
As long as people don't overdo it, there's nothing wrong with it. But that's the same with pretty much everything.

I agree. I don't feel the need to consume the stuff myself, but I'm in favour of legalization. The war on drugs has been a giant waste of money and has only lead to the creation of significant sources of income for organized crime, guerilleros and religist radicals. If you're in favour of prohibitionism, you're siding with the terrorists! Think about it.
The One Eyed Weasel
22-11-2008, 15:22
nbd, mostly I just made use of it as an excuse to share a story of my own.

People who pretend that marijuana is a completely harmless drug annoy the crap out of me. There are certainly worse drugs out there but that is hardly the point.

How about every other street drug, and alcohol? Why is that hardly the point?

The articles sucked btw:p
Neesika
22-11-2008, 15:51
^ This one.

I could care less what drugs people use, but you can't escape references to marijuana and its users no matter how little you care - not on t.v., not in music, not in movies, not anywhere can you tune it out. And while I've never used marijuana myself, it doesn't sound like anything special in terms of its effects.



Nor can you escape references to alcohol consumption...references which by far outnumber references to marijuana use.

What has always annoyed me about the whole alcohol/marijuana dichotomy is that alcohol is by far more harmful, hands down...yet its status as a legal, and pervasive substance somehow erases all these ills in the eyes of the general public, while that same public can condemn pot more because of its illicit nature than any harmful results of its use. Non-sensical.
Neesika
22-11-2008, 15:53
your on NSG

Shit.

Well this isn't real life.:D
MenMindingTheirOwn
22-11-2008, 16:06
http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20081121/NEWS/811219941/1001/NONE&parentprofile=1058&title=Minden%20accident%20results%20in%20arrest
http://www.macon.com/149/story/530964.html
http://www.mineralwellsindex.com/local/local_story_325100609.html
http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_10989837

Mind you I admit I did not read the articles, just did a quick google search for "marijuana related accidents" so the news pieces might not all be applicable.

Then why comment? Not one of these accidents mentioned in any of these stories can be attributed to Marijuana.

I believe Marijuana to be a wonderful alternative to alcohol as both a stress reliever and as a social lubricant. I even believe it to be a safer alternative to prescription narcotics for pain relief. If you're not a teetotaler, and have seen how addictive pain killers can be, you will agree. I've also known people who suffer from depression that use it. I don't think I have to worry about them flipping out and going on killing sprees anytime soon... ahem PROZAC ahem akathisia ahem Mike Tyson.. As a matter of fact I am very close to someone who's smoked Marijuana for over 30 years, and if it weren't for the black-lights hes installed inside his car, you wouldn't know him to be a pot head . I know him as down to earth and a complete professional.

To each his own..

BTW, As far as Marijuana and driving :).. I once saw the man I mentioned above drive across Miami without losing a cup Coffee on his bumper. That's a feat that many of us couldn't pull completely sober.
Kirchensittenbach
22-11-2008, 18:45
reading threads like this make me even more content that marijuana is still illegal and I can get potheads arrested.

I just love the "im so f,,ked" look on their faces when police are questioning them
Nanatsu no Tsuki
22-11-2008, 18:59
Yeska, mota, pollo, hierba, pasto, ensalada, marijuana, ganja, mamfú, ect. These are just a few of the names I know it by in Spanish.

I smoke it occasionally. I don't see a problem with it as long as it doesn't interfere with your life.
Dalmatia Cisalpina
22-11-2008, 19:48
Pot? Not for me, thanks. Most drugs aren't for me, I get decent enough accidental highs off prescription medication. You do not want to see me after I've had 5 mg of muscle relaxants, my own boss told me I needed to go home and I didn't argue.
The One Eyed Weasel
22-11-2008, 20:03
reading threads like this make me even more content that marijuana is still illegal and I can get potheads arrested.

I just love the "im so f,,ked" look on their faces when police are questioning them

...Why?

In that case I hope someone gets you arrested while you're driving drunk:)
Dumb Ideologies
22-11-2008, 20:10
Weed causes near-instant death by spontaneous implosion. Not only does this lead to immediate death of the individual, if the person smoking it happens to be overweight, a black hole can be formed, destroying humanity. Drugs are bad, m'kay?
Hydesland
22-11-2008, 20:16
Oh, also weed is fantastic for my motion sickness. Gravol doesn't help me, especially on planes, but weed keeps me from hurling.

I don't agree that it's only okay to smoke in moderation. For quite a few people, habitual use does not impair their function enough to interfere with their job/school/life.

I was gonna clean my room until I got high
I was gonna get up and find the broom but then I got high
my room is still messed up and I know why (why man?) yea heyy,
- cause I got high [repeat 3X]

(La da da da da da da da da)

I was gonna go to class before I got high
I coulda cheated and I coulda passed but I got high
(La da da da da da da da da)
I am taking it next semester and I know why, (why man?) yea heyy,
- cause I got high [repeat 3X]

(La da da da da da da da da)

I was gonna go to work but then I got high
I just got a new promotion but I got high
now I'm selling dope and I know why (why man?) yea heayy,
- cause I got high [repeat 3X]

(La da da da da da da da da)

I was gonna go to court before I got high
I was gonna pay my child support but then I got high
they took my whole paycheck and I know why (why man?) yea heayy,
- cause I got high [repeat 3X]

(La da da da da da da da da)

I wasn't gonna run from the cops but I was high
I was gonna pull right over and stop but I was high
(La da da da da da da da da)
Now I am a paraplegic and i know why (why man?) yea heayy,
- because I got high [repeat 3X]

(La da da da da da da da da)

I was gonna pay my car note until I got high
I wasn't gonna gamble on the boat but then I got high
now the tow truck is pulling away and I know why (why man?) yea heyy,
- because I got high [repeat 3X]

(La da da da da da da da da)

I was gonna make love to you but then I got high
I was gonna eat yo pussy too but then I got high
now I'm jacking off and I know why, yea heyy,
- cause I got high [repeat 3X]

(La da da da da da da da da)

I messed up my entire life because I got high
I lost my kids and wife because I got high
now I'm sleeping on the sidewalk and I know why (why man?) yea heyy,
- cause I got high [repeat 3X]

(La da da da da da da da da)

I'm gonna stop singing this song because I'm high
I'm singing this whole thing wrong because I'm high
and if I dont sell one copy I know why (why man?) yea heyy,
- cause I'm high [repeat 3X]
Quarkleflurg
22-11-2008, 20:49
weed, ganj, grade, green, whatever you want to call it IMHO it is the single best narcotic known to man, others are good but weed is the best

http://leisureguy.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/intriguing-idea-classify-drugs-by-their-harm-potential/

I was looking at the UK government's list of relatively how harmful each narcotic actually is to the body, alcohol ranks at 5 after smack crack barbiturates and crystal meth and is legal, weed and other mind expansion agents are much lower in relative harm but are illegal. makes perfect sense to me!!!!

for one thing the effects are much more pleasant than alcohol, instead of turning the user into a potentially violent childish wreck prone to doing very stupid things your average stoned person is more likely to laugh like an idiot and harm no-one.

the link between weed and mental illness is described as a passive correlation by even the most damning research and compared to the harm done to our bodies by alcohol I think its worth the risk
Chumblywumbly
22-11-2008, 20:50
I just love the "im so f,,ked" look on their faces when police are questioning them
And you see this look... when?

Imagining being a police officer again, are we?
Free Lofeta
22-11-2008, 21:25
I wish everyone who got drunk on Saturday nights and started fights in the streets would stay home and smoke pot instead... Serious reduction in violent crime, I'm telling you.

Personally its not for me, but if other people want to take it its none of my business to judge, so long as they're not flying the plane I'm in.

Plus, the last four Beatles albums.
SaintB
22-11-2008, 22:16
In addition to my earlier post. I am currently in public wearing sunglasses and a santa hat, I don't need drugs...
Hurdegaryp
22-11-2008, 22:27
...Why?

In that case I hope someone gets you arrested while you're driving drunk:)

That would be nice, since it's currently not possible to arrest a nazi just because he or she is a nazi.
Hayteria
23-11-2008, 17:59
Why do people keep on talking about "smoking" it? What about vapourizers?

Anyway, while I stay away from cannabis just to be on the safe side, I can't help but think that much of what people attribute to cannabis use probably has more to do with society's response to it. Like with the cliched "gateway argument" where people claim that "something about" the cannabis use "causes" people to do harder drugs; something about it, such as perhaps how when people hear many of the same things said about pot turn out not to be true, they might be less inclined to listen to society when it comes to what it says about harder drugs? Perhaps society simply needs to be more careful about crying "wolf"...

So long as alcohol and tobacco are legal, cannabis should be as well, if only for consistency; tobacco is arguably more pointless than cannabis anyway. One "moral argument" I've heard is that cannabis "distorts our senses"; as if to imply that our senses AREN'T distorted when we AREN'T high? The sciences of physics and chemistry have revealed many things that our senses do not perceive yet are proven to exist; so if we're "distorting" our senses, just what are we distorting? I've heard that much of the pressure for making cannabis illegal came from lobbying from paper businesses that saw competition from hemp paper; that would make sense to me...
Neesika
23-11-2008, 18:07
"Just like marijuana leads to heroin...."
Dyakovo
23-11-2008, 18:10
How about every other street drug, and alcohol? Why is that hardly the point?

The articles sucked btw:p

They are hardly the point because you are trying to paint marijuana as harmless when it is not.
The One Eyed Weasel
23-11-2008, 18:37
They are hardly the point because you are trying to paint marijuana as harmless when it is not.

How is it not harmless?
Daistallia 2104
23-11-2008, 19:32
Why do people keep on talking about "smoking" it? What about vapourizers?

http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/jolt/icons/icon14.gif

I've heard that much of the pressure for making cannabis illegal came from lobbying from paper businesses that saw competition from hemp paper; that would make sense to me...

My understanding is that the first three major waves of US prohibition laws are based in racism and economics. I've posted the links repeatedly, and will do so on request, but here are the basics.

The first prohibition laws were racially motivated against the Chinese in California, who worked hard and relaxed with Opium. The newspapers created a white slavery issue, suggesting that those damned dirty Chinamen were getting proper, virtuous white women hooked on opium.

The next wave was the 1910s anti-cocaine campaign aimed at the emerging black industrial workers, who were thougfh t to use coke as a competitive advantage. This led to the newspaper campaign against the coked up niggers (wondering if Adams' stupid filter is still functioning) who were going on rape and murder sprees, and took 10 bullets and kept coming (which latewr morphed into the PCP urban legends).

The final wave was cannabis. Same story, different ethnic group - damned dirty spics (wasn't until this time period that cannabis started being called "marijuana", from the Mexican Spanish.
Articoa
23-11-2008, 19:40
Never had it, never will.

I've heard it called "sweetfern."
Hayteria
23-11-2008, 19:40
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My understanding is that the first three major waves of US prohibition laws are based in racism and economics. I've posted the links repeatedly, and will do so on request, but here are the basics.

The first prohibition laws were racially motivated against the Chinese in California, who worked hard and relaxed with Opium. The newspapers created a white slavery issue, suggesting that those damned dirty Chinamen were getting proper, virtuous white women hooked on opium.

The next wave was the 1910s anti-cocaine campaign aimed at the emerging black industrial workers, who were thougfh t to use coke as a competitive advantage. This led to the newspaper campaign against the coked up niggers (wondering if Adams' stupid filter is still functioning) who were going on rape and murder sprees, and took 10 bullets and kept coming (which latewr morphed into the PCP urban legends).

The final wave was cannabis. Same story, different ethnic group - damned dirty spics (wasn't until this time period that cannabis started being called "marijuana", from the Mexican Spanish.
I dunno... that tendency to chalk it up to "racism" sounds kinda politically-correct to me... I don't think that leading to the prohibition in the first place is relevant to whether or not it stays put. Paper manufacturers, on the other hand, would have just as much reason to keep the ban put as to establish it in the first place...
Daistallia 2104
23-11-2008, 19:50
I dunno... that tendency to chalk it up to "racism" sounds kinda politically-correct to me... I don't think that leading to the prohibition in the first place is relevant to whether or not it stays put. Paper manufacturers, on the other hand, would have just as much reason to keep the ban put as to establish it in the first place...

I'll drag up the links again if ya want, but the headlines of the day from when opium, coke, and cannabis were prohibited make it crystal clear that there was a racial motivation.

(Just noticed that ****** made it through the filter. Wonder about ****....)
Daistallia 2104
23-11-2008, 19:52
(Just noticed that ****** made it through the filter. Wonder about ****....)

LOL Ooops... :$
Andaluciae
23-11-2008, 20:51
I've no problem if one smokes pot, but please, refrain from smoking it around me, and don't get violently angry when I ask you to lay off when you're in my house, and I ask you to cut it out. In the same way that tobacco smoke gives me a headache, pot is worse. I've tried tolerating it, but I just can't.
Hayteria
23-11-2008, 23:28
I'll drag up the links again if ya want, but the headlines of the day from when opium, coke, and cannabis were prohibited make it crystal clear that there was a racial motivation.

(Just noticed that ****** made it through the filter. Wonder about ****....)
o.o Where are they?
Intangelon
24-11-2008, 03:05
Back when I was in high school, some asshole reeking of marijuana gave me crap because I accidentally insulted his singing skills. He brought in a CD of himself playing the guitar and singing, and he sounded terrible. I didn't know it was was him singing, so I said that it sucked, and he called me a bitch and threatened to fight me. I would've told him to go to hell if he wasn't so freaking huge.

What a talentless asshole that guy was.

Was it Valentasia?

No wait, of course not. You said the guy was huge. As in imposing. Right.
Dyakovo
24-11-2008, 03:14
Was it Valentasia?

No wait, of course not. You said the guy was huge. As in imposing. Right.

Well, maybe NZ is a midget?
Cameroi
24-11-2008, 03:26
personally i could give a rat about anything that even might empare my judgement, but i am utterly against outlawing the possession of anything in personal quantities.

meh, i've smoked it. no big deal that i can see.

i think a lot of people like to exagerate BOTH sides of everything, just so they can have something to argue about.

there are a lot of things wrong with this world people could easily fix if they wanted to, if other things at cross purpose to doing so weren't higher on their list of what they care about.

well the herb isn't very high on my that list either.
it shouldn't be illegal, but it just isn't the biggest and most important thing in the world to me that it is.

of course all the really rotten stuff that goes on because it is, well that's why i do support legalizing it. all the waste and corruption as a resault of trying to fight people wanting to have it. and for what?

no, its just one of the stupid things people mindlessly have set up, all these problems banning its possession has created.

but other then that, there really are bigger fishes to fry.
Rynyl
24-11-2008, 05:02
:eek:

Let's see...it'll make me crazy, destroy my body, cost me God knows how much money each year, possibly get me arrested, and have fits when I don't have any.

Oh, let's not forget the awful smell it makes.

No thanks. I suggest you seek counseling. And next time, don't make it public that you're smoking it.
Ssek
24-11-2008, 05:09
:eek:

Let's see...it'll make me crazy

Unlikely.

, destroy my body

Nonsense.

, cost me God knows how much money each year

Not a penny more than you are willing to part with.

, possibly get me arrested

Very unlikely. Most police forces don't waste their time going after pot users, what with having actual crimes to deal with.

, and have fits when I don't have any.

Hogwash. Marijuana isn't heroin.

Oh, let's not forget the awful smell it makes.

Well, now you have an objection. But a minor one.

No thanks. I suggest you seek counseling.

I suggest you seek education.
New Ziedrich
24-11-2008, 05:13
Was it Valentasia?

No wait, of course not. You said the guy was huge. As in imposing. Right.

Well, maybe NZ is a midget?

For the record, I'm about 5'8" or so. The other guy was at least 6'3" an had a good 50 pounds on me. Anyway, Intangelon, what are you getting at?
FreedomEverlasting
24-11-2008, 05:18
Weed, marijuana, pot, herb, green whatever you call it I don't care but what I am wondering is what is your opinion of it?

Personally I love it, can't get enough of it. Smoking right now actually, probally what made me do this thread.

Also another great idea, or question, whatever. Anyway whats the craziest name you've heard it called?

I hate like the smell of it, it's smells so much worst than cigarettes. As far as marijuana brownies, capsule, or other non smoke marijuana products? Those should just be legalized. They don't stink, they don't mess up your lungs, and they even give a better high for the same amount.
The Song of Joy
24-11-2008, 05:18
"Just like marijuana leads to heroin...."
That's not true. The process is:
Pot leads to munchies which lead to being really, really fat, which then leads to Crystal Meth as a way to lose the weight.
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
24-11-2008, 05:23
Hogwash. Marijuana isn't heroin.


Heroin isn't even heroin (as it's represented in the media, that is). :tongue:

Still, simple observation tells me that marijuana won't do your health any favors, even if it isn't seriously damaging.
Ssek
24-11-2008, 05:26
Heroin isn't even heroin (as it's represented in the media, that is). :tongue:

Still, simple observation tells me that marijuana won't do your health any favors, even if it isn't seriously damaging.

Well, neither will posting on NSG, or a lot of good and enjoyable things in life.
But the whole "DESTROYS MY BODY!!!11!!!" thing was silly.
DogDoo 7
24-11-2008, 05:29
Cannabis is one of the most amazing plants in the world. In addition to its aforementioned neurological effects, it has numerous medical uses (from a sleep-aid to painkiller to alzheimer's prevention). Its fibers can be used to make rope and paper at a fraction of the carbon footprint of traditional woody trees, its seed oils can be refined into biofuels, shampoo, lubricants, and inks (or eaten, as hemp seed oil contains the exact ration of omega 3 to omega 6 fatty acids required by the human body). Oh yeah, and did I mention it gets you high?
Haplo Voss
24-11-2008, 05:30
Years ago I would have said no way, there's no real use for the stuff, and the hemp argument is null because there's non THC versions of hemp for rope and clothing stuffs.

However, a few years ago because of an incident that occured in my life, my doctors actually prescribed me marijuana via a very weird and cumbersome medical device after trying several pain relievers / Anti-Epileptic Drugs.

Lo and behold.... no more seizures, no more pain. I really hate to be an advocate, but for medical use.. yeah, I have to day it is actually useful for some things in recommended doses.

My old stoner friends... nah not so much. Nice guys, but wow... loopy. lol No offense to those that use it. I don't really have a problem with those that do, but have seen some of the bad results of people that don't handle it well so I don't hang around those that do use it recreationally as I've gotten older.
FreedomEverlasting
24-11-2008, 05:31
Heroin isn't even heroin (as it's represented in the media, that is). :tongue:

Still, simple observation tells me that marijuana won't do your health any favors, even if it isn't seriously damaging.

Actually in food/capsule form, cannabis is a great pain relieve with no real known negative side effects.

Besides if we want to talk about doing your health a favors, then wouldn't we need to ban most fast food and processed food?
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
24-11-2008, 05:31
Well, neither will posting on NSG, or a lot of good and enjoyable things in life.
But the whole "DESTROYS MY BODY!!!11!!!" thing was silly.

Well yes, that *was* a little '80s PSA-ish. :tongue:
Dyakovo
24-11-2008, 05:47
For the record, I'm about 5'8" or so. The other guy was at least 6'3" an had a good 50 pounds on me. Anyway, Intangelon, what are you getting at?

He was making fun of Valentasia
Dimesa
24-11-2008, 06:14
I tried it, didn't see what the big deal with it. Also, most potheads are lame and uninteresting hosers.
New Ziedrich
24-11-2008, 06:30
He was making fun of Valentasia

And I have absolutely no idea who that is, unfortunately.

Edit: Okay, now I get it. I need to pay more attention to the forums.
Daistallia 2104
24-11-2008, 07:01
o.o Where are they?

Here ya go:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11770256&postcount=60

Also, from the NYTimes archive:

NEGRO COCAINE "FIENDS" ARE A NEW SOUTHERN MENACE; Murder and Insanity Increasing Among Lower Class Blacks Because They Have Taken to "Sniffing" Since Deprived of Whisky by Prohibition.
By Edward Huntington Williams, M.D.

February 8, 1914, Sunday

Section: Magazine Section, Page SM12, 2998 words

FOR some years there have been rumors about the increase in drug taking in the South -- vague, but always insistent rumors that the addiction to such drugs morphine and cocaine was becoming a veritable curse to the colored face in certain regions. Some of these reports of alleged conditions read like the wildest flights of a sensational fiction writer.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9901E5D61F3BE633A2575BC0A9649C946596D6CF
Dyakovo
24-11-2008, 07:02
And I have absolutely no idea who that is, unfortunately.

Edit: Okay, now I get it. I need to pay more attention to the forums.

I'm sorry I educated you on the matter... :(
New Ziedrich
24-11-2008, 07:12
I'm sorry I educated you on the matter... :(

No harm done; I thought it was pretty hilarious. A "virtuoso level musician" doing bar mitzvahs? And that picture on his site is an obvious edit, too.

Edit: Holy crap, I just clicked on that "The Moon" thread.
Intangelon
24-11-2008, 07:39
For the record, I'm about 5'8" or so. The other guy was at least 6'3" an had a good 50 pounds on me. Anyway, Intangelon, what are you getting at?

I'm getting at the fact that Valentasia is about as imposing as a mayfly. I've handled gossamer with more substance, and heard better better self-promotion from a rat with an inferiority complex and throat cancer.
New Ziedrich
24-11-2008, 07:57
I'm getting at the fact that Valentasia is about as imposing as a mayfly. I've handled gossamer with more substance, and heard better better self-promotion from a rat with an inferiority complex and throat cancer.

Yep, I missed a key reference there. Been rectified now, with hilarious results.