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OK, so, I need advice. And it's not often I seek practical advice around here, but I figure, what the hell. There are folks with more work history and professional experience than I, and perchance I could partake of that wisdom.

First, a bit of background, and if this seems bloggish I apologize, but the background is necessary to elaborate upon my predicament. Prior to graduating law school I was offered a clerkship with a federal district judge. Now, clerkships are typically a set one year period, so I knew exactly when it was to begin, and when it was to end. As the year started to come to a close, I started applying for other positions, and was offered a second clerkship at the appellate level, so I did that for a year. Now as THAT started to close I, again, started job hunting, and was offered a position at a firm here in the city.

Flash forward a few years, and that is the position I am still in. Now, some time ago, I was contacted by a corporate headhunter asking me to apply for a different position at a different firm. It would be a higher salary, better hours, and more in line with my area of interest (it’s also under a strict NDA so that’s about all I can say about it). So I applied, and some time went by, and I didn’t think much of it.

Then a little while back, they called me in for an interview. I went, with little expectations. I had a job, and didn’t really need this one, and I was afraid my vague indifference would show through (don’t get me wrong, the position would be a good fit for me, and I would have liked to get it, but I wasn’t exactly hungry for it). Well I guess they liked me more than I thought they would, and brought me in for a callback, checked references, did the whole vetting process.

Then this morning I found out I got it . Now here’s where the concern comes in. between college and law school I worked two jobs. In one my position was eliminated, and the other was known I’d be leaving for law school Since law school I have had three jobs, the first two a specific, one year commitment with a known end date, the third is the one I have now. And it occurs to me. . .

I’ve never quit a job before. Now this position starts on the 8th so I have literally just two weeks to give notice. So, how the hell do I do that? Anyone been through this process that has any advice?

Can't help you there, I'm afraid. All my jobs have had set end-dates.

You still haven't replied to my emails, btw. *shakes fist in pretend anger*

Do you not have to give more notice than two weeks? If not just write a letter to whoever manages you now saying you are leaving on such and such a date.

OK, so, I need advice. And it's not often I seek practical advice around here, but I figure, what the hell. There are folks with more work history and professional experience than I, and perchance I could partake of that wisdom.

First, a bit of background, and if this seems bloggish I apologize, but the background is necessary to elaborate upon my predicament. Prior to graduating law school I was offered a clerkship with a federal district judge. Now, clerkships are typically a set one year period, so I knew exactly when it was to begin, and when it was to end. As the year started to come to a close, I started applying for other positions, and was offered a second clerkship at the appellate level, so I did that for a year. Now as THAT started to close I, again, started job hunting, and was offered a position at a firm here in the city.

Flash forward a few years, and that is the position I am still in. Now, some time ago, I was contacted by a corporate headhunter asking me to apply for a different position at a different firm. It would be a higher salary, better hours, and more in line with my area of interest (it’s also under a strict NDA so that’s about all I can say about it). So I applied, and some time went by, and I didn’t think much of it.

Then a little while back, they called me in for an interview. I went, with little expectations. I had a job, and didn’t really need this one, and I was afraid my vague indifference would show through (don’t get me wrong, the position would be a good fit for me, and I would have liked to get it, but I wasn’t exactly hungry for it). Well I guess they liked me more than I thought they would, and brought me in for a callback, checked references, did the whole vetting process.

Then this morning I found out I got it . Now here’s where the concern comes in. between college and law school I worked two jobs. In one my position was eliminated, and the other was known I’d be leaving for law school Since law school I have had three jobs, the first two a specific, one year commitment with a known end date, the third is the one I have now. And it occurs to me. . .

I’ve never quit a job before. Now this position starts on the 8th so I have literally just two weeks to give notice. So, how the hell do I do that? Anyone been through this process that has any advice?

First thing talk to your line manager, immeditate boss, whatever. A two week periiod seem a little light to me so you need to find out wether that is fine. Then hand in your written notice. You don't really have to give any reason, just say you are terminating your contract.

Ah dude you just have to do it. The first time, I took my best colleagues to dinner the night before and told them, I then told management.

I'm now in a situation where I'll tell management first, I'm writing a formal letter and I'll follow up with a call.

Quitting a job is like quitting anything else, it's the habit of the relationship, whether that's with a partner, home, job or cigarette, you're giving up a relationship that either contains you or benefits you.

If the decision is right, you'll only look back and approve.

Call your boss a fucker, and then storm off, never to return.

You only option is to firebomb.

Granted, most of my previous experience has been in the restaurant industry, but generally speaking you put something in writing "Consider this notice of my resignation, effective blah blah blah...thank you for the opportunity...blah blah blah...". You show up to work, ask to meet with your supervisor, hand him/her the letter and explain what's happening.

As a chef I had some more dramatic techniques, but I don't recommend them.

Get caught in the act with their spouse, works alright for me.

First thing talk to your line manager, immeditate boss, whatever. A two week periiod seem a little light to me so you need to find out wether that is fine. Then hand in your written notice. You don't really have to give any reason, just say you are terminating your contract.

Massachusetts is a "free hire, free fire" state, meaning an employee can quit a position, at any time, for any reason, or no reason at all, without notice. Conversely an employee can be fired, at any time, for any reason, or no reason at all, without notice.

as such, two weeks is only a courtesy on my part, and I'm not under any obligation to do anything at all (two weeks is the standard notice period, I know that much)

As a chef I had some more dramatic techniques, but I don't recommend them.
Aye, splashing yer boss in the face with molten caramel is a classic.

Warning: This comes from someone NOT in your country, NOT familiar with the official way of doing things in your country, let alone your specific field or firm.

However, this is what I think I would do:

First, you check verbally/in person with your superior/boss whether a termination of your contract on such short notice is okay, and/or what the terms for it are. You follow that up with the appropriate written notice (no need to give specific reasons).

I'd also advise you to make your decision known to your coworkers immediately after (so they know it from you, and not from management), and if the work atmosphere has been at all nice, have a little leaving do (go out for drinks/a meal, or bring in cookies, or whatever).

Massachusetts is a "free hire, free fire" state, meaning an employee can quit a position, at any time, for any reason, or no reason at all, without notice. Conversely an employee can be fired, at any time, for any reason, or no reason at all, without notice.

as such, two weeks is only a courtesy on my part, and I'm not under any obligation to do anything at all (two weeks is the standard notice period, I know that much)
2 weeks is standard notice in the lawyer biz? seems short notice to me.

but do what barringtonia said. send an email, a letter and follow up with a phone call.

you are in a smallish industry. dont do anything dickish that will hurt your reputation with the group.

Aye, splashing yer boss in the face with molten caramel is a classic.

Throwing a pint glass against the door the owner's wife just passed through was a particular favorite....albeit a waste of perfectly good beer.

2 weeks is standard notice in the lawyer biz? .

well, specifically for lawyers, I have no idea. That's my problem, never done this before. However, again, Massachusetts is odd, being totally "free hire, free fire"

:confused:
Neo, you asking legal advice on NSG?

;)
In Italy I'd tell you do see a lawyer...In Czech Republic too...

If resignation is just a courtesy from your part as it looks I think you should notice your boss ASAP.
It will give him a little time to redistribute your work and find a substitute. Leaving without notice could leave hard feelings and I tend to avoid making unnecessary enemyes.

well, specifically for lawyers, I have no idea. That's my problem, never done this before. However, again, Massachusetts is odd, being totally "free hire, free fire"
the important thing is not to be a dick eh?

it will get around.

consult your boss or your best friend in the firm.

OK, let me rephrase, I have absolutely no intention of leaving without notice. It's a small town, and I don't feel like committing career suicide.

My problem then, is, what KIND of notice? Should I email him and explain? Email him and just say I want to talk to him? Write a formal letter? I don't know exactly how to go about having that conversation.

OK, let me rephrase, I have absolutely no intention of leaving without notice. It's a small town, and I don't feel like committing career suicide.

My problem then, is, what KIND of notice? Should I email him and explain? Email him and just say I want to talk to him? Right a formal letter? I don't know exactly how to go about having that conversation.

Small town, I'd say verbal is enough. Though written as a CYA.

Small town

Boston is...weird, although it is a major metropolitan area, the legal community is fairly insular, and I'm active in some of the same organizations that my managing partner is, so we will be seeing each other around...

edit: Did I seriously say "right a letter"? Sheesh

Massachusetts is a "free hire, free fire" state, meaning an employee can quit a position, at any time, for any reason, or no reason at all, without notice. Conversely an employee can be fired, at any time, for any reason, or no reason at all, without notice.

as such, two weeks is only a courtesy on my part, and I'm not under any obligation to do anything at all (two weeks is the standard notice period, I know that much)

Ahh then no problems. The only thing that you may want to keep in mind is, by doing it right, you can always refer back to them for a decent referance if ever needed.

Just a polite formal letter although I have always telegraphed it by telling my manager what I was planning to do. In my experience people normally wish you well and are very happy that you are progressing in your career.

OK, let me rephrase, I have absolutely no intention of leaving without notice. It's a small town, and I don't feel like committing career suicide.

My problem then, is, what KIND of notice? Should I email him and explain? Email him and just say I want to talk to him? Write a formal letter? I don't know exactly how to go about having that conversation.
do both.

call your boss and follow it up with a formal letter.

i was thinking that this was saturday...

go talk to your boss as soon as you can.

Just a polite formal letter although I have always telegraphed it by telling my manager what I was planning to do. In my experience people normally wish you well and are very happy that you are progressing in your career.

...or afraid the dynamite in your hand might go off, either way, you get what you want.

References are good though.

OK, let me rephrase, I have absolutely no intention of leaving without notice. It's a small town, and I don't feel like committing career suicide.

My problem then, is, what KIND of notice? Should I email him and explain? Email him and just say I want to talk to him? Write a formal letter? I don't know exactly how to go about having that conversation.

I'd say email him saying you need an appointment, explain about the wish to resign in person, write and hand in written notice the day after.

OK, let me rephrase, I have absolutely no intention of leaving without notice. It's a small town, and I don't feel like committing career suicide.

My problem then, is, what KIND of notice? Should I email him and explain? Email him and just say I want to talk to him? Write a formal letter? I don't know exactly how to go about having that conversation.

Talk to him in person, and let him know to expect a letter, that is a formal paper one.

"Me: Asta T-14 days, bitches!"


No, formalish letter delivered in person and let them know you'd help out as much as you can in the transition. Should be fine.

...or afraid the dynamite in your hand might go off, either way, you get what you want.

References are good though.

Who needs dynamite, you work anywhere for a few years and you know enough secrets to screw them up if they mess with you.

Boston is...weird, although it is a major metropolitan area, the legal community is fairly insular, and I'm active in some of the same organizations that my managing partner is, so we will be seeing each other around...

denny crane that shit

denny crane that shit

don't. even. say it. Do you know how many Boston Legal jokes I have endured over the years?

Too fucking many, that's how many.

OK, so, I need advice. And it's not often I seek practical advice around here, but I figure, what the hell. There are folks with more work history and professional experience than I, and perchance I could partake of that wisdom.

First, a bit of background, and if this seems bloggish I apologize, but the background is necessary to elaborate upon my predicament. Prior to graduating law school I was offered a clerkship with a federal district judge. Now, clerkships are typically a set one year period, so I knew exactly when it was to begin, and when it was to end. As the year started to come to a close, I started applying for other positions, and was offered a second clerkship at the appellate level, so I did that for a year. Now as THAT started to close I, again, started job hunting, and was offered a position at a firm here in the city.

Flash forward a few years, and that is the position I am still in. Now, some time ago, I was contacted by a corporate headhunter asking me to apply for a different position at a different firm. It would be a higher salary, better hours, and more in line with my area of interest (it’s also under a strict NDA so that’s about all I can say about it). So I applied, and some time went by, and I didn’t think much of it.

Then a little while back, they called me in for an interview. I went, with little expectations. I had a job, and didn’t really need this one, and I was afraid my vague indifference would show through (don’t get me wrong, the position would be a good fit for me, and I would have liked to get it, but I wasn’t exactly hungry for it). Well I guess they liked me more than I thought they would, and brought me in for a callback, checked references, did the whole vetting process.

Then this morning I found out I got it . Now here’s where the concern comes in. between college and law school I worked two jobs. In one my position was eliminated, and the other was known I’d be leaving for law school Since law school I have had three jobs, the first two a specific, one year commitment with a known end date, the third is the one I have now. And it occurs to me. . .

I’ve never quit a job before. Now this position starts on the 8th so I have literally just two weeks to give notice. So, how the hell do I do that? Anyone been through this process that has any advice?

At my last job, I asked my boss if I could talk to him. I sat down and said that I was offered a job and it was an amazing offer that I couldn't refuse. He asked what the offer was and I told him and he pretty much agreed that I had to take it. They were a small company and would never be able to come close to even matching the offer. I thanked him for hiring me and told him that that I enjoyed working for his company. He asked if I could help out with some web programming for his companies site once in a while and I said I would so I'm still on their payroll as a part time contractor type guy.

btw, I entered this thread because of the title... SO not what I thought it was about.

OK, let me rephrase, I have absolutely no intention of leaving without notice. It's a small town, and I don't feel like committing career suicide.

My problem then, is, what KIND of notice? Should I email him and explain? Email him and just say I want to talk to him? Write a formal letter? I don't know exactly how to go about having that conversation.

I've never had to do a letter/email, but then I've never worked in a law office. If you see your boss in person on a fairly regular basis, just ask to speak to him/her in their office. Then let all out. But be nice about it, a good reference is gold.

You've said your in a a free hire, fire state so the two weeks things a courtesy and nothing else. You get a salary and not a wage so there is no point in extending/shortening that period to get a full paycheck out if it.

Alright, Neo Art, as someone who deals directly with people leaving the company and its implications, in Massachusetts no less (I'm working in Natick now, btw), here's what you do.

Draft a formal resignation letter. Feel free to be as brief or as thorough as you see fit. Something as simple as "This letter is to inform you that I, (your name here), hereby resign my position as (your job title here) effective (your last day here)." If you're friendly with the people you work with, throw something in about how the past X years were the greatest of your life, how you'll miss them, etc. etc.

Here's an example of a good template.

http://jobsearchtech.about.com/od/resumesandletters/a/letrofresign.htm

Print it off (on your letterhead if you have one), sign it, and stick it in a folder. Next, schedule an appointment with your boss/manager/whatever. Make it a good half hour. Bring with you any information about your new position that you're comfortable and/or allowed to reveal to other people. Sit down with your boss in a nice setting and politely tell him that you are tendering your resignation, but that you are fully willing to stay on until X date. Give him the folder with the resignation letter.

Now, what happens next will depend on your position and how amicable things are between you and your co-workers. If you're in a sensitive position, expect that they might say thanks but no thanks to your 2 weeks, and ask you to leave that day. If that's the case, inquire about In Lieu of Notice pay to bridge the two weeks, unless the money isn't important to you. Then, go about tying up any loose ends you may have, including breaking the news to co-workers.

I deal with this sort of thing professionally, so if you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Oh yes, after my verbal notice my boss asked for a written one.

Its also free hire free fire here, its called Work at Will.

All you need to do is inform them you can no longer work there, they might ask you to agree to work a certain amount of time for them but you're under no obligation. A written notice is polite but not necessary however some places can require one. I have never quit a job either but I know my rights as an employee pretty well ;)

well, specifically for lawyers, I have no idea. That's my problem, never done this before. However, again, Massachusetts is odd, being totally "free hire, free fire"

Virginia is the same way. I don't see it as odd.

Do you have a contract? If not, then you are only bound by the idea of not burning bridges (after all, you may want them as a reference one day).

Write a formal letter explaining that you've accepted a position that will further your career goals, put in a bit about how much you've enjoyed working with them, and the part about your last day being two weeks out.

Really, people do this every day, and it's not just lawyers.

Do you really have this much trouble with common professional behavior?

don't. even. say it. Do you know how many Boston Legal jokes I have endured over the years?

Too fucking many, that's how many.

doesn't it just make you want to shoot a guy in both kneecaps?

Alright, Neo Art, as someone who deals directly with people leaving the company and its implications, in Massachusetts no less (I'm working in Natick now, btw), here's what you do.

Draft a formal resignation letter. Feel free to be as brief or as thorough as you see fit. Something as simple as "This letter is to inform you that I, (your name here), hereby resign my position as (your job title here) effective (your last day here)." If you're friendly with the people you work with, throw something in about how the past X years were the greatest of your life, how you'll miss them, etc. etc.

Here's an example of a good template.

http://jobsearchtech.about.com/od/resumesandletters/a/letrofresign.htm

Print it off (on your letterhead if you have one), sign it, and stick it in a folder. Next, schedule an appointment with your boss/manager/whatever. Make it a good half hour. Bring with you any information about your new position that you're comfortable and/or allowed to reveal to other people. Sit down with your boss in a nice setting and politely tell him that you are tendering your resignation, but that you are fully willing to stay on until X date. Give him the folder with the resignation letter.

Now, what happens next will depend on your position and how amicable things are between you and your co-workers. If you're in a sensitive position, expect that they might say thanks but no thanks to your 2 weeks, and ask you to leave that day. If that's the case, inquire about In Lieu of Notice pay to bridge the two weeks, unless the money isn't important to you. Then, go about tying up any loose ends you may have, including breaking the news to co-workers.

I deal with this sort of thing professionally, so if you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

That is exactly what I was looking for, thanks man.

Well, Senpai, I cannot help you there. I have never had to quit my job. All I can say is that, at least, you're giving your patron the required 2 weeks so he/she starts looking for a replacement.

I thought Neo was good with Google...

http://jobsearchtech.about.com/od/resumesandletters/tp/Resignation-Letters.htm

I thought Neo was good with Google...

http://jobsearchtech.about.com/od/resumesandletters/tp/Resignation-Letters.htm

I thought you were good at trolling.

Found this one:

Dear <insert name of supervisor> and fellow co-workers,

As is custom, I am informing you that Dec 6 will be my last day. But before I leave, I wanted to take this opportunity to let you know what a great and distinct pleasure it has been to type this resignation letter.

For nearly as long as I’ve worked here, I’ve hoped that I might one day leave this company. And now that this dream has become a reality, please know that I could not have reached this goal without your unending lack of support. Words cannot express my gratitude for the words of gratitude you did not express.

I would especially like to thank all of my managers: in an age where miscommunication is all too common, you consistently impressed and inspired me with the sheer magnitude of your misinformation. It takes a strong man to admit his mistake - it takes a stronger man to attribute his mistake to me.

Over the past three years, you have taught me more than I could ever ask for and, in most cases, ever did ask for. I have been fortunate enough to work with some absolutely interchangeable supervisors on a wide variety of seemingly identical projects - an invaluable lesson in overcoming daily tedium in overcoming daily tedium in overcoming daily tedium.

Your demands were high and your patience short, but I take great solace knowing that my work was, as stated on my annual review, “mostly satisfactory.” That is the type of praise that sends a man home happy after even a 10 hour day, smiling his way through half a bottle of mostly satisfactory scotch.

And to most of my peers: even though we barely acknowledged each other within these office walls, I hope that in the future, should we pass on the street, you will regard me the same way as I regard you: sans eye contact.

But to those few souls with whom I’ve actually interacted, here are my personalized notes of farewell:

To Rudy: I will always remember sharing lunch with you, despite having clearly labeled it with my name.

To Steven: I will miss detecting your flatulence as much as you will clearly miss walking past my cubicle to deliver it.

To Eileen: Best wishes on your ongoing campaign to popularize these “email forwards.” I sincerely hope you receive that weekend full of good luck, that hug from an old friend, and that baby for your dusty womb.

To Felix: I left a new wristwatch on your desk. It is so that you might be able to still tell time even without your hourly phone call to let me know the copier is jammed. (Call Steven – he’ll come by.)

And finally, to Kat: you were right - I tested positive. We’ll talk later.

So, in parting, if I could pass on any word of advice to the individual who will soon be filling my position, it would be to cherish this experience like a sponge and soak it up like a good woman, because a job opportunity like this comes along only once in a lifetime.
Meaning: if I had to work here again in this lifetime, I would sooner kill myself.


Very truly yours,

I thought Neo was good with Google...

http://jobsearchtech.about.com/od/resumesandletters/tp/Resignation-Letters.htm

Funny how this is the same page that was linked to in this thread earlier already.

Funny how this is the same page that was linked to in this thread earlier already.

Exactly. And why the thread kept going after that, I don't know.

Exactly. And why the thread kept going after that, I don't know.

Since you yourself have posted 4 times since I posted that link (and, in the process, gave Neo Art "exactly what [he] was looking for"), perhaps you could best explain why the thread keeps going?

Since you yourself have posted 4 times since I posted that link (and, in the process, gave Neo Art "exactly what [he] was looking for"), perhaps you could best explain why the thread keeps going?

Because this is NSG.

:confused:
Neo, you asking legal advice on NSG?

;)
In Italy I'd tell you do see a lawyer...In Czech Republic too...
Exactly. Look in the mirror, and advise yourself what you think is right.

OK, so, I need advice. And it's not often I seek practical advice around here, but I figure, what the hell. There are folks with more work history and professional experience than I, and perchance I could partake of that wisdom.

First, a bit of background, and if this seems bloggish I apologize, but the background is necessary to elaborate upon my predicament. Prior to graduating law school I was offered a clerkship with a federal district judge. Now, clerkships are typically a set one year period, so I knew exactly when it was to begin, and when it was to end. As the year started to come to a close, I started applying for other positions, and was offered a second clerkship at the appellate level, so I did that for a year. Now as THAT started to close I, again, started job hunting, and was offered a position at a firm here in the city.

Flash forward a few years, and that is the position I am still in. Now, some time ago, I was contacted by a corporate headhunter asking me to apply for a different position at a different firm. It would be a higher salary, better hours, and more in line with my area of interest (it’s also under a strict NDA so that’s about all I can say about it). So I applied, and some time went by, and I didn’t think much of it.

Then a little while back, they called me in for an interview. I went, with little expectations. I had a job, and didn’t really need this one, and I was afraid my vague indifference would show through (don’t get me wrong, the position would be a good fit for me, and I would have liked to get it, but I wasn’t exactly hungry for it). Well I guess they liked me more than I thought they would, and brought me in for a callback, checked references, did the whole vetting process.

Then this morning I found out I got it . Now here’s where the concern comes in. between college and law school I worked two jobs. In one my position was eliminated, and the other was known I’d be leaving for law school Since law school I have had three jobs, the first two a specific, one year commitment with a known end date, the third is the one I have now. And it occurs to me. . .

I’ve never quit a job before. Now this position starts on the 8th so I have literally just two weeks to give notice. So, how the hell do I do that? Anyone been through this process that has any advice?
I've quit tons of jobs. It's very simple. You just tell them you are leaving. Since you only have two weeks notice to give, do this asap. You are not required to give notice at all, but it is polite and considerate to give two weeks.

The entire matter can be done verbally. Just go to your immediate boss and tell him you have decided to take another job. He/she will send you through the firm's exit process, which is usually very minimal -- you might have to sign an NDA, and you will likely have to organize your cases/projects for someone else to pick up. No need for a memo or letter of resignation. You can slap a short one together if they ask for it. You do not have to give them any reason for leaving, but it's okay to just say you were contacted by someone you interviewed with a long time ago, and they offered you a position at significantly more money that you cannot turn down. This is completely true as well as neutral.

That's all there is to it. It's awkward at first, but once you do it, it amounts to nothing much, tension-wise.

Variations on this process include the firm asking you to stay longer to help train your replacement. You do not have to do this, and you cannot because you have to start your next job, so that's a simple no. Another variation is that, for confidentiality reasons, they might ask you to leave before your notice period is up. If they do that, they should pay you for the two weeks of your notice in lieu of letting you work for that last paycheck. However, this is unlikely in a law firm -- it tends to happen more often in companies where the exiting worker deals with proprietary information. You do not have to account for anything about your next job to the firm you are leaving.

well, specifically for lawyers, I have no idea. That's my problem, never done this before. However, again, Massachusetts is odd, being totally "free hire, free fire"
When you got hired by the firm, were you under contract, or did your paperwork say "employment at will"? If it's "employment at will" you don't have to give any notice at all unless you want to. Normally, attorneys give more than 2 weeks to ease the transition of their case load, but you don't have more than 2 weeks to give, so fuck it.

When you got hired by the firm, were you under contract, or did your paperwork say "employment at will"? If it's "employment at will" you don't have to give any notice at all unless you want to. Normally, attorneys give more than 2 weeks to ease the transition of their case load, but you don't have more than 2 weeks to give, so fuck it.

Careful. Sdaeriji says that he's finished the thread with his post, and any other posting past that is pointless.

Sdaeriji has spoken!

OK, let me rephrase, I have absolutely no intention of leaving without notice. It's a small town, and I don't feel like committing career suicide.

My problem then, is, what KIND of notice? Should I email him and explain? Email him and just say I want to talk to him? Write a formal letter? I don't know exactly how to go about having that conversation.
Walk into his office or contact his assistant and ask for some time to talk. If asked why, say it's a personal matter. I consider it far more polite to make the initial announcement verbally, face to face, in private to your direct boss.

When you got hired by the firm, were you under contract, or did your paperwork say "employment at will"? If it's "employment at will" you don't have to give any notice at all unless you want to. Normally, attorneys give more than 2 weeks to ease the transition of their case load, but you don't have more than 2 weeks to give, so fuck it.

Yes Mur, despite not knowing how to quit a job, I do know how to read a contract :p

Careful. Sdaeriji says that he's finished the thread with his post, and any other posting past that is pointless.

Sdaeriji has spoken!
I think that was you, champ-
Exactly. And why the thread kept going after that, I don't know.

Trolling yourself? What kind of weird desperation circle is that...

Careful. Sdaeriji says that he's finished the thread with his post, and any other posting past that is pointless.

Sdaeriji has spoken!
Well, I realize that Sdaeriji works in this area (I assume he meant HR), but I happen to disagree about the necessity of a formal written resignation notice. I daresay I have been on the quitting end of leaving a job at least as often if not moreso than even he, and it is my experience that some companies want that paper trail and others don't or don't care. I tend to have one drafted but not let on that I have it unless asked for one. I especially do it that way if I do not want the employer I'm leaving to think I was secretly planning to for a long time.

Yes Mur, despite not knowing how to quit a job, I do know how to read a contract :p
Don't get snide, Mr. I only asked because you didn't make it clear whether you were a contract hire or not.

Well, I realize that Sdaeriji works in this area (I assume he meant HR), but I happen to disagree about the necessity of a formal written resignation notice. I daresay I have been on the quitting end of leaving a job at least as often if not moreso than even he, and it is my experience that some companies want that paper trail and others don't or don't care. I tend to have one drafted but not let on that I have it unless asked for one. I especially do it that way if I do not want the employer I'm leaving to think I was secretly planning to for a long time.

I don't bother anymore. Giving them the formal written one has gotten the "oh, so you've been secretly planning to leave all along.." response more than once.

Being the person behind the successful delivery of software on time makes them panic if they even hear a rumor that you're going to leave, and garners the response that you're a fucking traitor for leaving (panic ensues).

Don't get snide, Mr. I only asked because you didn't make it clear whether you were a contract hire or not.

aww I like being snide with you, it's fun. But no, I made absolutely certain, before I even entertained the idea of a new job, that this would be workable, now it's just trying to figure out the best way of doing it.

Don't get snide, Mr. I only asked because you didn't make it clear whether you were a contract hire or not.

This was fun to watch just now.

This was fun to watch just now.

only because you wouldn't dare say that yourself :tongue: I let her get away with it because it's occasionally amusing to have someone stand up to me, heh

aww I like being snide with you, it's fun. But no, I made absolutely certain, before I even entertained the idea of a new job, that this would be workable, now it's just trying to figure out the best way of doing it.
Well, I recommend the face-to-face private meeting with your boss to start with. Depending on how formal your office or relationship with your boss is, have a letter prepared, but let him ask for it. If in doubt, you can ask him if the firm will want a letter.

You'll be nervous and unhappy and want to apologize for doing this, and that's fine. Go with that if you feel the urge. I've hated it every time I've done it, even when I was desperate to get out of the job in question.

only because you wouldn't dare say that yourself :tongue: I let her get away with it because it's occasionally amusing to have someone stand up to me, heh

I'm greatly offended that you believe:

a) I truly wouldn't dare to say it myself and
b) you've forgotten the many times I've 'stood up' to you.

I'm not some simpering sub and you know it.

What I have done the in past is write a letter, thanking them for my time there, you know, kiss ass to get a good reference, and explain why I am leaving. In your case, since your leaving in part for more money, sugar coat it and focus more on the new oppertunities it would open up for you. Focus more on the "better fit" aspect.

Then, send that letter (or drop it in the office mailbox) to your immediate boss and give a copy to HR just in case.

At least thats what Ive done.

I'm not some simpering sub and you know it.

I know. Still, nice to get you pissed off now and then :p

only because you wouldn't dare say that yourself :tongue: I let her get away with it because it's occasionally amusing to have someone stand up to me, heh
Huh? When do people not stand up to you? Or do you mean that it's just occasionally amusing, not that it only happens occasionally? :p

EDIT: Oh, by the way, congrats on the better job offer. Being offered more money in this economy is a good thing. I hope it works out for you.

Well, I realize that Sdaeriji works in this area (I assume he meant HR), but I happen to disagree about the necessity of a formal written resignation notice. I daresay I have been on the quitting end of leaving a job at least as often if not moreso than even he, and it is my experience that some companies want that paper trail and others don't or don't care. I tend to have one drafted but not let on that I have it unless asked for one. I especially do it that way if I do not want the employer I'm leaving to think I was secretly planning to for a long time.

I don't think a formal letter is necessary, but its a very professional way to go about it. If Neo Art is on good terms with his current place of employment, I doubt they will think "That SOB! He's been planning this for a long time!"

Its better to cross your "t's and dot your i's" when you leave your job. I don't see why typing a letter of resignation would be a bad thing.

I don't think a formal letter is necessary, but its a very professional way to go about it. If Neo Art is on good terms with his current place of employment, I doubt they will think "That SOB! He's been planning this for a long time!"

Its better to cross your "t's and dot your i's" when you leave your job. I don't see why typing a letter of resignation would be a bad thing.
I didn't say it would be a bad thing. I said that some employers don't want one for various reasons. I tend to let them ask for it, even if I have one prepared. But that's just me.

I wasn't saying you said it was a bad thing, it was just me randomly using the word bad. I need sleep. Being on call =/= sleep for me.

I think Sdaeriji gave good advice and you gave good advice. Neo Art should do some combination of both.

EDIT: Oh, by the way, congrats on the better job offer. Being offered more money in this economy is a good thing. I hope it works out for you.

Thanks, its the real reason I just can't pass it up, the economy is shaky and, really, it's too good to say no to.

Well, I realize that Sdaeriji works in this area (I assume he meant HR), but I happen to disagree about the necessity of a formal written resignation notice. I daresay I have been on the quitting end of leaving a job at least as often if not moreso than even he, and it is my experience that some companies want that paper trail and others don't or don't care. I tend to have one drafted but not let on that I have it unless asked for one. I especially do it that way if I do not want the employer I'm leaving to think I was secretly planning to for a long time.

The positions I've had (granted, hardly considered professional) did request written letters of resignation. I personally prefer to have one because it makes sure that everything is very clear...no chance of "Wait...I thought you said you were here for two more days" when your letter says "I'm gone 11/30".

I'd also suggest, given what I've heard of the Boston legal community, make sure you make it clear to your current boss that you are greatful for the time with them. It wouldn't be bad form to consider giving a gift and/or thank you note. I know that kind of thing is actually considered vital within the education community, another very small one.

Pfft, don't quit, just stop showing up. You might be able to get another paycheck or two out of them before they notice :tongue:

So, apparently I should clarify. Neo Art is under absolutely no obligation to give any sort of written notification of his intent to leave his position. In fact, the only obligation he really has is to tell his boss at closing time on his last day that he will not be returning to work the following Monday. As Massachusetts is an at-will state, there will be no breach of contract if Neo Art simply stops showing up.

However, in the interests of professionalism, and assuming that Neo Art may intend to list his current employer as a reference if his career ever moves beyond this new position (which I assume it will), he would strongly consider going through the process of resigning as professionally and amicably as possible.

And sitting down with his boss will allow Neo Art to explain to him the details of the circumstances that led to the resignation. That way, Neo Art's boss can be informed that the position was offered last minute, hence the last minute resignation notice. This keeps his boss (if his boss is a reasonable man) from having the mistaken assumption that Neo Art had been planning this for a period of time, setting him at ease about any potential damage Neo Art might have had the ability to do. It's all completely unnecessary in the strictest technical sense, but it is considered professional courtesy. Something, given the very tight-knit community Neo Art works in, that would be an intelligent thing to follow.

As for some of the posts here.


Careful. Sdaeriji says that he's finished the thread with his post, and any other posting past that is pointless.

Sdaeriji has spoken!

Sorry, no, you were the one who said the thread was finished, in reference to my post. I appreciate your usual dismal attempt at trolling.

Perhaps you could go back to lying about being a lawyer so you could lie about quitting your lawyer job for another lawyer job. Then you could lie about having a hard time figuring out how to break the news, and you could lie about my advice being exactly what you were looking for.

Well, I realize that Sdaeriji works in this area (I assume he meant HR), but I happen to disagree about the necessity of a formal written resignation notice. I daresay I have been on the quitting end of leaving a job at least as often if not moreso than even he, and it is my experience that some companies want that paper trail and others don't or don't care. I tend to have one drafted but not let on that I have it unless asked for one. I especially do it that way if I do not want the employer I'm leaving to think I was secretly planning to for a long time.

With all due respect, I know for a fact that I have dealt with termination of employment more than you have, regardless of your life experiences. Even if your anecdotal experiences have shown you that a written letter is not necessary, which in many cases they are not, it is still considered a professional courtesy to provide it for any employer you intend on listing as a professional reference later on. Even if Neo Art's current employer simply shreds his letter, at least providing his resignation in writing is the correct thing for him to do.

Call your boss a fucker, and then storm off, never to return.

I second this motion, never fails.

I’ve never quit a job before. Now this position starts on the 8th so I have literally just two weeks to give notice. So, how the hell do I do that? Anyone been through this process that has any advice?
Advice is worth what you pay for it, so be forewarned...

If you want the new job, write a nice resignation letter to your boss. If he wants you to stay, he'll offer more money. If you really want to stay, take it. Most of the time, that doesn't work out and the employee is gone within a year.

You don't owe them anything besides an orderly turnover with your replacement. They should congratulate you and offer their best wishes for your success. After all, you can never be sure that they won't come to you, looking for a job in the near future.

Freelance translator here, Neo. Good luck, though.

I would go in to your supervisor, and be straight with them -- that you were offered another job and that you're taking it, that you enjoyed working with them (if you did) and you're giving notice, and that you'll do whatever is appropriate to tie up your current projects and/or pass them on.

Don't be surprised, though, if you're asked to pack and leave immediately. It won't be personal -- they may want to make sure you don't get the opportunity to grab anything sensitive that could be of use at the other position.

Oh, and yes, in writing. You lawyerly types are good with words, so it shouldn't be too hard. :)

OK, so, I need advice. And it's not often I seek practical advice around here, but I figure, what the hell. There are folks with more work history and professional experience than I, and perchance I could partake of that wisdom.

First, a bit of background, and if this seems bloggish I apologize, but the background is necessary to elaborate upon my predicament. Prior to graduating law school I was offered a clerkship with a federal district judge. Now, clerkships are typically a set one year period, so I knew exactly when it was to begin, and when it was to end. As the year started to come to a close, I started applying for other positions, and was offered a second clerkship at the appellate level, so I did that for a year. Now as THAT started to close I, again, started job hunting, and was offered a position at a firm here in the city.

Flash forward a few years, and that is the position I am still in. Now, some time ago, I was contacted by a corporate headhunter asking me to apply for a different position at a different firm. It would be a higher salary, better hours, and more in line with my area of interest (it’s also under a strict NDA so that’s about all I can say about it). So I applied, and some time went by, and I didn’t think much of it.

Then a little while back, they called me in for an interview. I went, with little expectations. I had a job, and didn’t really need this one, and I was afraid my vague indifference would show through (don’t get me wrong, the position would be a good fit for me, and I would have liked to get it, but I wasn’t exactly hungry for it). Well I guess they liked me more than I thought they would, and brought me in for a callback, checked references, did the whole vetting process.

Then this morning I found out I got it . Now here’s where the concern comes in. between college and law school I worked two jobs. In one my position was eliminated, and the other was known I’d be leaving for law school Since law school I have had three jobs, the first two a specific, one year commitment with a known end date, the third is the one I have now. And it occurs to me. . .

I’ve never quit a job before. Now this position starts on the 8th so I have literally just two weeks to give notice. So, how the hell do I do that? Anyone been through this process that has any advice?

I would go in to your supervisor, and be straight with them -- that you were offered another job and that you're taking it, that you enjoyed working with them (if you did) and you're giving notice, and that you'll do whatever is appropriate to tie up your current projects and/or pass them on.

Don't be surprised, though, if you're asked to pack and leave immediately. It won't be personal -- they may want to make sure you don't get the opportunity to grab anything sensitive that could be of use at the other position.

I can sympathize with your position, Neo Art, better than I can give any advice. Although I held and left many positions prior to law school, my legal career prior to my disability was much like yours, so I haven't ever left one open-ended firm position for another one.

I also understand how important one's reputation can be in the legal profession.

FWIW, I agree with Kat's advice. I think the key is to be open and honest as soon as possible. I'd talk to the managing partner or who ever it is most appropriate to notify ASAP and then follow up with written notice. I think the length of notice will be less critical than your ability to transition any projects you are working on.

Congratulations on the new job and best of luck in handling the transition. :)

Write a short resignation letter/memo to the personnel person and to the partner(s) who is /are the head of the department to which you are assigned. In effect, the letter should state: "This is to advise you that I have accepted a position with XYZ Law Firm, where I will commence working on X date. I have enjoyed my associate position here at ABC firm, and working with the ABC -- unit, its partners and associates." I would then hand deliver the letter to the partner first, before going to personnel, so the partner in your unit knows first. If there is a discussion about the time period in which you are leaving, it will occur then. In my opinion, they will simply wish you luck and start assigning your cases to other associate immediately. Good Luck!

I’ve never quit a job before. Now this position starts on the 8th so I have literally just two weeks to give notice. So, how the hell do I do that? Anyone been through this process that has any advice?

Just tell your boss that you have found a better job, i.e. tell him what you told us about your new job. Also, I've found apologizing when putting in notice seems to make a good impression.

I’ve never quit a job before. Now this position starts on the 8th so I have literally just two weeks to give notice. So, how the hell do I do that? Anyone been through this process that has any advice?

When I left my job, I just informed my boss and his boss that I was leaving the company. I explained to them why and told them when my last day would be. I then printed off the relevant forms and got my boss to sign up on them and sent them through to HR.

I imagine Neo that, many firms would see some turnover of staff anyway and I don't really know why this would be a big deal to hand in your notice. They may ask you a few questions on where you are going and why, just tell them that the job is more interesting and suits in with your interests. You never know they may want to retain you and offer you a higher salary or something. But regardless what are they going to do, if they don't like it?

I wasn't saying you said it was a bad thing, it was just me randomly using the word bad. I need sleep. Being on call =/= sleep for me.

I think Sdaeriji gave good advice and you gave good advice. Neo Art should do some combination of both.
Oh, I get it now. Thanks.

I would go in to your supervisor, and be straight with them -- that you were offered another job and that you're taking it, that you enjoyed working with them (if you did) and you're giving notice, and that you'll do whatever is appropriate to tie up your current projects and/or pass them on.

Don't be surprised, though, if you're asked to pack and leave immediately. It won't be personal -- they may want to make sure you don't get the opportunity to grab anything sensitive that could be of use at the other position.

Oh, and yes, in writing. You lawyerly types are good with words, so it shouldn't be too hard. :)

This is pretty much exactly what you should do.

How you communicate, writing v. oral, should be based on your relationship with your boss. There have been bosses in my past where telling them I was leaving in writing would have been like punching them in the face (which incidentally one of them actually asked me to do... long story). Make sure that you're being kind to the relationship you have with this company and with your individual bosses. It sounds like you like them, but it just wasn't a good fit.

Moreso, make sure that you're cool about the transition. It's not that unusual for me to agree to do a little extra work even after I've left a company to make the transition easier. At one company, I trained my replacement on a Saturday because it took them longer to find someone than I had for notice.

You don't HAVE to do it, but I have very loyal former employers because I've been loyal to them. This can only benefit you in the long run.