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NIC Report: The World in 2025

Barringtonia
21-11-2008, 04:34
So the last time they wrote such a report it was at the beginning of the Bush presidency and it could pretty much be summed up as: America, fuck yeah!

This time around, a little less optimism, some highlights...

"A Less Dominant Power"

"By 2025 the international system will be a global multipolar one with gaps in national power continuing to narrow between developed and developing countries," says the NIC report, entitled A Transformed World.

That is a dramatic shift away from the "unipolar moment" the US was said to enjoy after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the dissolution of the Soviet Union. That moment has now passed, the NIC concludes. Barack Obama's Democrats claim it was squandered by the hubris of the Bush administration. But whatever the cause, they are stuck with the consequences.

The rise of China

The biggest winner in the coming multipolar age will be China, according to the NIC report.

"China is poised to have more impact on the world over the next 20 years than any other country," it predicts. On present trends China will have the world's second largest economy by 2025, and could well be the largest importer of natural resources and the biggest polluter. It will be a leading military power, with a considerable navy to protect the sea lanes that deliver its raw materials, and at the same time wield hi-tech asymmetric tools.

A US congressional panel claimed on Wednesday night that China was already practising its cyber warfare skills.

They do kick ass at Counterstrike.

The triumph of the western democratic model in doubt

The shift from a unipolar world to one contested by several global powers has taken the form of a transfer of wealth from west to east that is unprecedented in its scale and speed, the NIC says. That transfer has been driven by high oil prices which have enriched producers in the Gulf and Russia, and the relentless drift of manufacturing to the low-wage economies of China and the rest of Asia.

That eastward movement has also entailed a shift in the world economy's centre of gravity from free-market capitalism to state-run structures. "For the most part, China, India and Russia are not following the western liberal model for self-development but instead are using a different model, 'state capitalism'," the report says.

This next one's pretty bad...

State collapse and the failure of international institutions

The NIC report predicts that there will be more Somalias - failed and lawless states. As power flows between nations, there will be another shift in some parts of the world: from the state to "nonstate actors" such as corporations, tribes, religious groups and criminal gangs.

"Several countries could even be 'taken over' and run by criminal networks. In areas of Africa or south Asia, states as we know them might wither away, owing to the inability of governments to provide for basic needs, including security," the report warns.

Pulled apart by conflicts over increasingly scarce water, food and fuel, states will begin to implode, and the international organisations such as the UN that are supposed to act as referees do not seem to be up to the job of dealing with this new world.

This one should be no surprise...

New conflicts driven by climate change and scarcity

The report envisages the return of a type of conflict "we have not seen for a while": the battle over resources. As energy supplies are perceived to be more endangered, states could go to war in an attempt to secure exclusive access. One possibility raised by the NIC is a conflict between China and India, two fast-growing economies competing for finite raw materials and energy. Lack of water and declining crops caused by global warming can also fuel conflicts within weakening states in Africa. In that sense Darfur, where nomads and farmers have clashed over resources, could be a sign of things to come.

A new arms race in the Middle East

The NIC does not believe Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons is inevitable, but the perception that the Islamic Republic is getting close to acquiring the bomb could lead other Middle East states to pursue their own nuclear ambitions, sparking a dangerous arms race.

The mostly stable mutual deterrent relationship that kept the cold war cold may not work in the Middle East, the report warns.

"Episodes of low-intensity conflict taking place under a nuclear umbrella could lead to an unintended escalation and broader conflict if clear red lines between those states involved are not well established," it says.

This one's open to contention I think, there seems to be a huge baby boom right now in the west, I'd be interested in this year's birth figures.

Demographics and the ageing of the west

Underlying the eastward shift of power is the ageing of the west. The world's population is expected to grow from 6.8 billion to 8 billion in 2025, and almost all that growth will take place in Asia, Africa and Latin America, with only 3% in the west.

The US, with its high rate of immigration, will be a partial exception, but the greying of Europe and Japan will increasingly hobble countries' economies, as fewer and fewer working-age adults support the massed ranks of pensioners.

"By 2010 there will be about one senior for every four working age people in the developed word. By 2025 this ratio will have climbed to one to three or possibly higher," the report says.

By contrast, "youth bulges" in the nations of Africa's Mahgreb region, Iran and Lebanon will mature into "worker bulges" before dissipating rapidly, giving those countries some added economic propulsion.

In troubled corners of the world such as the West Bank and Gaza, Iraq, Yemen and Saudi Arabia, the youth bulges are expected to persist, along with high unemployment, and more "volatility and violence".

Thoughts and comments?

Article Link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/21/nic-report-america-china)

Full NIC Report (http://www.dni.gov/nic/NIC_2025_project.html)
Knights of Liberty
21-11-2008, 04:37
Somehow, this is both Clinton and Obama's fault. Especially Obama's.
Gauntleted Fist
21-11-2008, 04:41
Thoughts and comments?...Wait, hasn't somebody done this before?
...Like, a lot of times? o_0
Barringtonia
21-11-2008, 04:44
...Wait, hasn't somebody done this before?
...Like, a lot of times? o_0

This report has just come out and is gleaned from the different intelligence agencies in the US so while this type of thread might not be new, this particular report, if I'm not highly mistaken, and I never am, hasn't been on NSG so far.

If I am mistaken, it's probably a Jolt glitch.
Gauntleted Fist
21-11-2008, 04:48
This report has just come out and is gleaned from the different intelligence agencies in the US so while this type of thread might not be new, this particular report, if I'm not highly mistaken, and I never am, hasn't been on NSG so far.

If I am mistaken, it's probably a Jolt glitch.No, I meant the whole 'We think the world will be this way in [insert year here]'.

No prediction survives application of the human element. :p
Barringtonia
21-11-2008, 05:06
Still, there's some good news, more funny videos like this are expected across the board...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7lJpFwAcCs&eurl
Rambhutan
21-11-2008, 10:20
The latest Global Trends report from the NIC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/21_11_08_2025_Global_Trends_Final_Report.pdf

The NIC is a US body but this report is predicting that US dominance will decline. I haven't had time to more than glance at it yet but it is not really a comforting picture of the future. What do people think?
Wilgrove
21-11-2008, 10:24
Sorry, someone beat you to it. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=573665)
Barringtonia
21-11-2008, 10:24
I think my thread on this was better but, as luck will have it, yours will be filled with erudite debate, witty banter and deep insight and mine will languish slowly down through the pages into the pit of Modly despair.

I even added 'cute kid leads celebration' video but the heartless bastards of NSG are not moved by cute kids.

Bah humbug!

Sorry, someone beat you to it. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=573665)

Someone? What, the cat's mother? You will henceforth refer to me as Mi'Lord,

kthxbai
Rambhutan
21-11-2008, 10:26
I think my thread on this was better but, as luck will have it, yours will be filled with erudite debate, witty banter and deep insight and mine will languish slowly down through the pages into the pit of Modly despair.

I even added 'cute kid leads celebration' video but the heartless bastards of NSG are not moved by cute kids.

Bah humbug!

Sorry, I had a quick look but didn't see yours, must be senility on my part. Will ask the mods to delete mine.
Barringtonia
21-11-2008, 10:28
Sorry, I had a quick look but didn't see yours, must be senility on my part. Will ask the mods to delete mine.

Although I consider mine to be a work of art, yours does have a certain popular appeal, I don't mind being 'unappreciated in his time'.
Rambhutan
21-11-2008, 10:29
The BBC article suggests Brazil might become a major economy alongside China and India. Is that really likely? As we all know US intelligence is not all that reliable.
Vetalia
21-11-2008, 10:31
The US has only been "dominant" in the truest sense of the term for 15-20 years. Prior to that, we were either more or less tied with the Soviet Union or before that in second or third place behind other major powers. That being said, the US has much stronger footing than any of its potential rivals, especially China; their economy is facing serious problems that could make our own look like a walk in the park.

Russia's also facing huge difficulties from the massive decline in commodities prices, although they've got a solid amount of money in reserve to continue funding their current level of government spending.
Vetalia
21-11-2008, 10:32
The BBC article suggests Brazil might become a major economy alongside China and India. Is that really likely? As we all know US intelligence is not all that reliable.

They don't call the strongest emerging markets the BRIC countries for nothing. (Brazil, Russia, India and China). Personally, I'd be happy to see Brazil and India over China and Russia any day, since the former two are actual democracies that attempt to preserve human rights and freedoms. This is also why I think those two are far more likely to achieve lasting global economic influence; the lack of democracy and moves towards a free market will ultimately stifle growth in Russia and China, since their rapid growth is coming from a low base and is heavily reliant on investment rather than domestic consumption.

That being said, who knows? China's leadership is going to become a lot more liberal, at least economically, as the new generation of post-Cultural Revolution, post-reform leaders, many of whom are businessmen and entrepreneurs rather than engineers and party men, take control.
Rambhutan
21-11-2008, 10:38
They don't call the strongest emerging markets the BRIC countries for nothing. (Brazil, Russia, India and China). Personally, I'd be happy to see Brazil and India over China and Russia any day, since the former two are actual democracies that attempt to preserve human rights and freedoms. This is also why I think those two are far more likely to achieve lasting global economic influence; the lack of democracy and moves towards a free market will ultimately stifle growth in Russia and China, since their rapid growth is coming from a low base and is heavily reliant on investment rather than domestic consumption.

That being said, who knows? China's leadership is going to become a lot more liberal, at least economically, as the new generation of post-Cultural Revolution, post-reform leaders, many of whom are businessmen and entrepreneurs rather than engineers and party men, take control.

Just looked them up on wikipedia. Seems somewhat ironic that a country invests heavily in biofuels then discovers oil.
Lackadaisical2
21-11-2008, 10:41
That transfer has been driven by high oil prices

fail

Although I do think the shifting demographics one is pretty pertinent, although they don't mention that china is also going to have something similar happening. (EDIT: in the actual report they do mention this)

I find it strange, they way they say it its like we own the world or something, but it seems to me that already no one in the west has really been able to meddle in the affairs of the stronger eastern powers like China and India, at least not for some time now. I guess the only difference is that that sphere of influence will get larger for the both of them.
Barringtonia
22-11-2008, 07:02
Here's how current policies are tied into two of the predictions.

Rich governments and corporations are triggering alarm for the poor as they buy up the rights to millions of hectares of agricultural land in developing countries in an effort to secure their own long-term food supplies.

The head of the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation, Jacques Diouf, has warned that the controversial rise in land deals could create a form of "neo-colonialism", with poor states producing food for the rich at the expense of their own hungry people.

At a food security summit in Rome, in June, there was agreement to channel more investment and development aid to African farmers to help them respond to higher prices by producing more. But governments and corporations in some cash-rich but land-poor states, mostly in the Middle East, have opted not to wait for world markets to respond and are trying to guarantee their own long-term access to food by buying up land in poorer countries.

Where governments are happy to sell of their prime arable land, will the people benefit or the government officials?

Sudan is trying to attract investors for almost 900,000 hectares of its land, and the Ethiopian prime minister, Meles Zenawi, has been courting would-be Saudi investors.

"If this was a negotiation between equals, it could be a good thing. It could bring investment, stable prices and predictability to the market," said Duncan Green, Oxfam's head of research. "But the problem is, [in] this scramble for soil I don't see any place for the small farmers."

Alex Evans, at the Centre on International Cooperation, at New York University, said: "The small farmers are losing out already. People without solid title are likely to be turfed off the land."

Less land, more poverty, it all adds up to more trouble than there already is. The prediction of criminal states is probably spot on.

Rising food prices have already set off a second "scramble for Africa". This week, the South Korean firm Daewoo Logistics announced plans to buy a 99-year lease on a million hectares in Madagascar. Its aim is to grow 5m tonnes of corn a year by 2023, and produce palm oil from a further lease of 120,000 hectares (296,000 acres), relying on a largely South African workforce. Production would be mainly earmarked for South Korea, which wants to lessen dependence on imports.

...and not just Africa.

According to diplomats, the Saudi Binladin Group is planning an investment in Indonesia to grow basmati rice, while tens of thousands of hectares in Pakistan have been sold to Abu Dhabi investors.

Arab investors, including the Abu Dhabi Fund for Development, have also bought direct stakes in Sudanese agriculture. The president of the UEA, Khalifa bin Zayed, has said his country was considering large-scale agricultural projects in Kazakhstan to ensure a stable food supply.

Even China, which has plenty of land but is now getting short of water as it pursues breakneck industrialisation, has begun to explore land deals in south-east Asia. Laos, meanwhile, has signed away between 2m-3m hectares, or 15% of its viable farmland. Libya has secured 250,000 hectares of Ukrainian farmland, and Egypt is believed to want similar access. Kuwait and Qatar have been chasing deals for prime tracts of Cambodia rice fields.

Link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/22/food-biofuels-land-grab)
James_xenoland
22-11-2008, 07:21
In other news. A super viral outbreak is likely (0.001%) to wipeout 95% of humanity within the next ten years. Tinfoil hat experts warn of impending alien invasion. While scientists predict for the 17492 time, but with high probability now, (02.4%) that we will soon start to deplete all of our natural resources. They sound pretty sure this time. And today environmentalists predict that *blah blah blah*. Truly frightening!!! It sounds as if we are all doomed.




This thing makes it sound like we should start getting ready for the next world war or something. dOOmEd!!1!
Cooptive Democracy
22-11-2008, 10:39
A return to multipolarity is certainly a very worrisome tend. Multipolar systems are unstable and likely to erupt into war. If, indeed, the NIC is correct, we are looking at a very bleak world indeed. Resource wars, multi-polar balance of power, high state instability, ineffective international regimes, regional instability leading to arms races, and a growing unstable population in the least developed world. Can anyone else say "powder keg"?

I'll be buying the first available Vault from Vaulttech, then...
Rambhutan
22-11-2008, 10:47
I wonder if, when states like Zimbabwe and Somalia collapse, their neighbours will take advantage of the power vacuum and invade. Could we see a kind of expansionism in Africa?

I agree that the idea of rogue states is a worry. Let's hope the World Bank gets its act together.
Cooptive Democracy
22-11-2008, 11:06
I wonder if, when states like Zimbabwe and Somalia collapse, their neighbours will take advantage of the power vacuum and invade. Could we see a kind of expansionism in Africa?

I wouldn't worry so much about expansionism as neo-colonialism. Not from the West, but from the East. China's Africa policy may well be much more forward-looking than even the CCP predicted.

I agree that the idea of rogue states is a worry. Let's hope the World Bank gets its act together.

Not just the World Bank. Let's hope that China joins the world in confronting these states. Let's hope that President Elect Obama carries through on his promises to multilaterally, unilaterally, and internationally engage these states, and that non-oil energy sources cause the decline of the Oiligarchies, in particular, Iran.