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So, with the West-Indies team coming down on a tour to NZ soon, Otago Cricket decided a really good slogan would be 'It's all white here' and to encourage a 'white out' at the test in Dunedin. Hmm. I understand what they were trying to do, but it fails. The NZ Cricket team are not the All Blacks. Trying to link this with their 'black-outs' is pretty far-fetched**. It's tasteless and plain stupid. The fact that it's the West-Indies coming down makes it even sillier. Thoughts?
Link one.. (http://www.3news.co.nz/News/SportsNews/Otago-cricket-slogans-slammed-as-racially-insensitive/tabid/415/articleID/80757/cat/70/Default.aspx)
Link two.. (http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4767626a24035.html)



** Btw, this happened a few times when the All Blacks played at home. Basically, there was a whole lot of media trying to get people to go to the game in black. It kinda worked though, because there has always been this association with the black jersey and all it means. As for the NZ Cricket team? Pfft, every cricketing country identifies with white -- you have to wear it.

Nothin' but Whites, here!

Sounds like a stereotypical Alabaman baseball team from the 60s.

you crazy foreigners and your fake sports...:p

Must be the same geniuses who market the American Family Association lawn-cross

maybe you could put in some background as to where this "all white" thing came from? is one of the teams called white or black?

you crazy foreigners and your fake sports...:p

I didn't know New Zealand had a baseball team.

I have read both links and I am more so confused, what is going on over in Sha banga bang?

Now do they want people to come dressed in white when watching the Black Caps? While the cricketers should be wearing their cricket whites why do they want the spectators wearing all white?

maybe you could put in some background as to where this "all white" thing came from? is one of the teams called white or black?

Black is the national colour of the Kiwis. Their cricket team is known as the Black Caps, their Rugby Union team is known as the All Blacks. It may have something to do with that and the fact that cricketers usually wear All-white.

I'm just as confused as you as to what is going on over the Tasman.

Black is the national colour of the Kiwis. Their cricket team is known as the Black Caps, their Rugby Union team is known as the All Blacks. It may have something to do with that and the fact that cricketers usually wear All-white.

I'm just as confused as you as to what is going on over the Tasman.
ok. thanks. that didnt seem to be in the link i looked at. or at least not in a way that made sense to me...

what would possibly be the problem with "white out" besides not making much sense?

Really fucking stupid.

Otago cricket has apologised if anyone has taken offence, but says it won't be pulling the campaign. However it will contact the West Indies team to explain the slogans, and ensure next month's test remains "a gentleman's game".

I bet there's some late nights and heavy drinking, as Otago cricket try to come up with a better explanation than "um something about black outs."

ok. thanks. that didnt seem to be in the link i looked at. or at least not in a way that made sense to me...

what would possibly be the problem with "white out" besides not making much sense?

I would be surprised if anything coming out of NZ would make sense to non-kiwis:p

I don't know what would be the problem, but some people do get very sensitive about issues, most of the West Indies team (if you can call them one they have dropped from their status as a power house in the early 90's) would be black.

But then, as I say it may have to do with getting people to wear white rather than black to the game.

I would be surprised if anything coming out of NZ would make sense to non-kiwis:p

Not true. I meet plenty of sensible Kiwis. They live here.

Not true. I meet plenty of sensible Kiwis. They live here.

Yes but those that come across the Tasman are the smart ones.

What is it when they say a Kiwi comes to Australia? The IQ of both countries go down. :p

I would be surprised if anything coming out of NZ would make sense to non-kiwis:p

I don't know what would be the problem, but some people do get very sensitive about issues, most of the West Indies team (if you can call them one they have dropped from their status as a power house in the early 90's) would be black.

But then, as I say it may have to do with getting people to wear white rather than black to the game.
it doesnt make any sense on the racial level does it?

what would "white out" mean as a racist slogan?

it doesnt make any sense on the racial level does it?

what would "white out" mean as a racist slogan?

Well no, but the article did also talk about "We're all white here". But even then it doesn't make sense. I think people just twist words into what they want it to be and offend themselves.

It seems people are trying to make something of it and it isn't going to happen. Maybe they wanted more racism in cricket stories, but this is no where near as bad as the Indian cricket team, who btw are allowed to get away with it by the International Cricket Board.

Hmm, so how's the cricket ... going ... um.

Isn't NZ meant to be playing Australia soon in a test match or something? People shouldn't worry NZ lost to the NSW cricket team lol.

Now see, I'm not sure what the problem is. We have "white outs" all the time in the US, especially in college sports. When Michigan State plays Penn State for the Big 10 Title in Happy Valley this saturday, we're going to get "whited out". Perhaps theres some difference I don't understand. Please explain. Seriously.

Isn't NZ meant to be playing Australia soon in a test match or something? People shouldn't worry NZ lost to the NSW cricket team lol.

Today is the second day in Perth. Aus 214. NZ 5/125. It's on free-to-air TV.

NZ all out for 156. Note to Southee: don't try to hit over Andrew Symonds' head, noob. :p

Now see, I'm not sure what the problem is. We have "white outs" all the time in the US, especially in college sports. When Michigan State plays Penn State for the Big 10 Title in Happy Valley this saturday, we're going to get "whited out". Perhaps theres some difference I don't understand. Please explain. Seriously.

It's the fact that both slogans use the word "white" for no particular reason.

Then you consider that the NZ team, unlike the All Blacks who have Māori players (well, it's rugby and they're generally big), are mostly white. And the West Indies team are distinctly darker.

And THEN you consider that racial exclusion is a touchy subject in cricket, has been ever since the sporting embargo on the old South Africa for their policy of apartheid. Still quite an issue in Zimbabwe.

I think they need a better explanation than they've offered so far. It does look like an appeal to racial difference to stir up enthusiasm.

I can't speak for Kiwis, but the only sense I've ever heard "white-out" in is for very heavy snow or cloud which reduces visibility. What's in mean in college sport? (I checked urban dictionary and it said "putting only white players on the court" ...!)

And perhaps a Kiwi can tell me, is Otawa more "white" than the other venues for the Tests? That would make the slogans almost legally actionable I'd think.

Well, a white out is an -out using white. There can also be a green out, red out(OSU), etc. Its where all fans dress in a certain color to promote fan camaraderie and supposedly put the visiting team at a disadvantage. Penn State is famous for having nigh everyone participate, alumni and students.

Link (http://lh4.ggpht.com/_1aRRMlfyZao/Rw_RQYl_N-I/AAAAAAAABKQ/Kdut6q9ifu8/psu_nd_2007_whiteout.jpg)

Perhaps I am misunderstanding the term you're using.

Today is the second day in Perth. Aus 214. NZ 5/125. It's on free-to-air TV.

Yeah but I have an exam tomorrow morning and I am busy concentrating on that. Shouldn't even be on here really. But now I know what I'm going to be doing when I get home.

NZ all out for 156. Note to Southee: don't try to hit over Andrew Symonds' head, noob. :p

lol, nice to see since Symonds got a second chance he is doing something then.

Well, a white out is an -out using white. There can also be a green out, red out(OSU), etc. Its where all fans dress in a certain color to promote fan camaraderie and supposedly put the visiting team at a disadvantage. Penn State is famous for having nigh everyone participate, alumni and students.

Link (http://lh4.ggpht.com/_1aRRMlfyZao/Rw_RQYl_N-I/AAAAAAAABKQ/Kdut6q9ifu8/psu_nd_2007_whiteout.jpg)

Perhaps I am misunderstanding the term you're using.

No, from the article that is exactly what they were saying. Everybody should be wearing white.

They tried a play on words....didn't think it through...stuffed up. Back to the drawing board for that ad agency - eh?

Cricket sucks!

Cricket sucks!

Hey, hey you just watch your tounge there. I might just give you a clip over the ear for that.

And anyway you think it sucks because the Finns aren't any good at it :p

Blouman - why do you make me laugh?
Must be an Aussie thing - Oy! Oy! Oy! (Vey!)

My work here is done.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ehbMu-n3hBI

its people trying to be politically correct. Are we gonna ban black coffee next and white milk or anything with a colour in the name.

The meaning behind the word is what matters not what the word is simular to

So, with the West-Indies team coming down on a tour to NZ soon, Otago Cricket decided a really good slogan would be 'It's all white here' and to encourage a 'white out' at the test in Dunedin. Hmm. I understand what they were trying to do, but it fails. The NZ Cricket team are not the All Blacks. Trying to link this with their 'black-outs' is pretty far-fetched**. It's tasteless and plain stupid. The fact that it's the West-Indies coming down makes it even sillier. Thoughts?
Link one.. (http://www.3news.co.nz/News/SportsNews/Otago-cricket-slogans-slammed-as-racially-insensitive/tabid/415/articleID/80757/cat/70/Default.aspx)
Link two.. (http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4767626a24035.html)


I thought when you beat a country in a series of test matches in cricket (ie you win them all, they lose them all) it was referred to as a "whitewash" maybe that's what they were getting at? It's certainly what I first thought of when I heard the slogan.

Cricket sucks!

Hey, the current Australia/New Zealand Test is one of the better games of Test Cricket.

You know, it sometimes goes for five days and neither side wins. This one will be over by the third day, or perhaps Lunch on the fourth. Epic excitement!

Hey, the current Australia/New Zealand Test is one of the better games of Test Cricket.

You know, it sometimes goes for five days and neither side wins. This one will be over by the third day, or perhaps Lunch on the fourth. Epic excitement!

Over by tomorrow? Well that might be alright I can catch the last few over. Lunch by the fourth would be alright too.

it doesnt make any sense on the racial level does it?

what would "white out" mean as a racist slogan?

Are you serious? The team we're playing against are all black... Go figure.

Well, a white out is an -out using white. There can also be a green out, red out(OSU), etc. Its where all fans dress in a certain color to promote fan camaraderie and supposedly put the visiting team at a disadvantage. Penn State is famous for having nigh everyone participate, alumni and students.

Link (http://lh4.ggpht.com/_1aRRMlfyZao/Rw_RQYl_N-I/AAAAAAAABKQ/Kdut6q9ifu8/psu_nd_2007_whiteout.jpg)

Perhaps I am misunderstanding the term you're using.

No, that's exactly right. It's just this has never been done before and the NZ Cricket team has no association with the colour white, except for the clothing -- which all countries wear anyway. It's an unfortunate time to try and start it, I think that's the problem.

I thought when you beat a country in a series of test matches in cricket (ie you win them all, they lose them all) it was referred to as a "whitewash" maybe that's what they were getting at? It's certainly what I first thought of when I heard the slogan.

That is true, but not what they were meaning.. It was definitely about coming all dressed in white.

Today is the second day in Perth. Aus 214. NZ 5/125. It's on free-to-air TV.

NZ all out for 156. Note to Southee: don't try to hit over Andrew Symonds' head, noob. :p

Note to Hayden, Katich, Ponting and Lee: Don't get owned by a 19yr old in his 3rd test... Opps! Already happened. ;)

Over by tomorrow? Well that might be alright I can catch the last few over. Lunch by the fourth would be alright too.

You'll be lucky to see any of it after your exam! Could be all over by tea depending on how Katich goes tomorrow morning.. NZ doing great though :tongue:

Are you serious? The team we're playing against are all black... Go figure.


it still means nothing to me.

what would "white out" mean as a racist slogan?

it still means nothing to me.

what would "white out" mean as a racist slogan?

You honestly need this to make sense, eh?

Cricket sucks anyway.

You honestly need this to make sense, eh?
yeah i do.

referring to color is not automatically racist.

what would "white out" mean as a racist slogan?

It's not obvious enough? It means no whites.

It's not obvious enough? It means no whites.
dont joke with me, i really dont understand it.

the nz team IS white so what does "white out" mean? and if everyone wore white to the cricket match would the other team feel that it was a racial statement? its cricket eh?

now i think that i dont understand the OP at all and that he couldnt have been implying that its a racial thing. it must be some "you have to know something about cricket to understand it" thing.

Okay, here's my take on it:The "All Blacks" are Nuh Zealund's rugby team - they're prutty good and they have been playing a lot lately - earning fame and glory for Nuh Zealund.
So there is this game thut is played with a bat and ball that is known as crucket where they wear white - so they are using the phrase "all white" to say,"Don't forget that it's crucket season now"
Nobody would have thought twice about it if the opposing crickut team hadn't been the We who happened to be not all white.
But don't worry about it Kiwis - Australians are notorious for their cultural gaucheries too. This will all be forgotten in a while an dAustralians can go back to telling sheep jokes at your expense!

Okay, here's my take on it:The "All Blacks" are Nuh Zealund's rugby team - they're prutty good and they have been playing a lot lately - earning fame and glory for Nuh Zealund.
So there is this game thut is played with a bat and ball that is known as crucket where they wear white - so they are using the phrase "all white" to say,"Don't forget that it's crucket season now"
Nobody would have thought twice about it if the opposing crickut team hadn't been the We who happened to be not all white.
But don't worry about it Kiwis - Australians are notorious for their cultural gaucheries too. This will all be forgotten in a while an dAustralians can go back to telling sheep jokes at your expense!
which makes it completely ridiculous.

the west indies team knows its not "all white" and i doubt that it is a sore spot that must not accidentally be referred to.

which makes it completely ridiculous.

the west indies team knows its not "all white" and i doubt that it is a sore spot that must not accidentally be referred to.

Well, as the second link shows, a West-Indian kiwi said he would take it is a racist slogan.

End of your questioning.

dont joke with me, i really dont understand it.

the nz team IS white so what does "white out" mean? and if everyone wore white to the cricket match would the other team feel that it was a racial statement? its cricket eh?

now i think that i dont understand the OP at all and that he couldnt have been implying that its a racial thing. it must be some "you have to know something about cricket to understand it" thing.

In future, read the links, thanks.

obvious racism America needs to intervene militarily.

you crazy foreigners and your fake sports...:p
Imaginary, not fake. ;)

In future, read the links, thanks.
in the future make your own arugment, thanks.

Hey, the current Australia/New Zealand Test is one of the better games of Test Cricket.


I think the Border-Gavaskar series is the most intensely fought series in the world now...over and above the Ashes and Indo-Pak rivalry.

And this gives me a chance to gloat..

We won. :tongue::D

I think the Border-Gavaskar series is the most intensely fought series in the world now...over and above the Ashes and Indo-Pak rivalry.

And this gives me a chance to gloat..

We won. :tongue::D

I was pleased that India beat Australia. I'm also pleased when England does well. I'm really pleased when the Kiwis win and I look forward to the West Indies doing well.

Cricket can bring nations together - and I like to think of it as a "gentleman's sport" still - even though that seems a little quaint.

Sometimes my Aussie compatriots embarass me when they "sledge" (in the US that is known as "trash-talking" - insulting one's opponent to put him off his game.:$

Note to Hayden, Katich, Ponting and Lee: Don't get owned by a 19yr old in his 3rd test... Oops! Already happened. ;)

It's on now :)

But just don't mention the rugby league :$

Cricket can bring nations together - and I like to think of it as a "gentleman's sport.

Hardly a gentlemen's sport when you have the Indians threatening the game after they are told off for racism.

Yeah Blue, but I'm always worried that "we" started it.
Sure India cheats! The grass is green and the Pope's Catholic! But Aussies are no choir boys.
And one of the reasons that India has turned the corner in cricket is that Aussie cricketers are out there chasing the rupees!

Yeah Blue, but I'm always worried that "we" started it.
Sure India cheats! The grass is green and the Pope's Catholic! But Aussies are no choir boys.
And one of the reasons that India has turned the corner in cricket is that Aussie cricketers are out there chasing the rupees!

I was actually referring to the poor actions made by the Indian cricket team and the BCCI when they were told off for racist abuse and said that they didn't want to play, and the spineless actions of the ICB.

I was actually referring to the poor actions made by the Indian cricket team and the BCCI when they were told off for racist abuse and said that they didn't want to play, and the spineless actions of the ICB.

I thought that was all quite comical. It's like they thought they could hold the international game to ransom or something. Crazy Indians. What's not so funny is that they were taken seriously.

Oh, and did I mention the league?!? :) ;)

I thought that was all quite comical. It's like they thought they could hold the international game to ransom or something. Crazy Indians. What's not so funny is that they were taken seriously.

Well the ICB has no guts and allow the indians to to do what ever the fuck they want. If they had left they should have been sued for everything. It was a fucking joke.

The ICB piss me off because they are the weakest sport governing body in the world and allow the Indians and the BCCI to walk all over the sport and treat it like shit. Hence why allowing them to have control it is no longer the gentleman's game it once was.

Oh, and did I mention the league?!? :) ;)

Yes, thank you. *looks away*:p

Well the ICB has no guts and allow the indians to to do what ever the fuck they want. If they had left they should have been sued for everything. It was a fucking joke.

The ICB piss me off because they are the weakest sport governing body in the world and allow the Indians and the BCCI to walk all over the sport and treat it like shit. Hence why allowing them to have control it is no longer the gentleman's game it once was.

Hold on, when you say ICB, you do mean ICC right?

But anyway, yes. They are ridiculously bad. No control over anything and because the market for cricket is so massive in India, they just assume India=right. Money has taken over unfortunately.

The problem is damned 20/20, I'm telling you. Without it, the IPL wouldn't be so massive and the ICL wouldn't have fucked with so much. I didn't mind the Stanford 20 for 20, because that's based in the West Indies where the people are so poor.. Injecting that kind of money into the game over there ain't so bad. But the Indian based leagues are shitty. It gave the ICC more reason to love India. Bastards.

Yes, thank you. *looks away*:p

Beautiful game. It fuelled our drinking for a solid few hours. :tongue:

Hold on, when you say ICB, you do mean ICC right?

But anyway, yes. They are ridiculously bad. No control over anything and because the market for cricket is so massive in India, they just assume India=right. Money has taken over unfortunately.

The problem is damned 20/20, I'm telling you. Without it, the IPL wouldn't be so massive and the ICL wouldn't have fucked with so much. I didn't mind the Stanford 20 for 20, because that's based in the West Indies where the people are so poor.. Injecting that kind of money into the game over there ain't so bad. But the Indian based leagues are shitty. It gave the ICC more reason to love India. Bastards.

Yeah sorry the ICC. Yes money has taken over the game and the ICC will refuse to do anything about it. Maybe if they restricted the game the cash flow may slow down a bit but it would come back up and the BCCI will be left with egg on their faces.

Beautiful game. It fuelled our drinking for a solid few hours. :tongue:

Yeah I bet it did *pouts* :p Every time I went to look at it in the pub I watched NZ get another try.