NationStates Jolt Archive

I was reading the news paper on the train yesterday and one article stated that that our leader Chairman Brown is considering bringing in a system whereby if someone dies it is presumed that s/he has given full permission for organ harvesting, I was wondering were others stood on this idea.

Personally I am in favour of this using the reasoning that when I am dead my corpse is simply a lump of useless dead flesh and if bits of said useless dead flesh can be made to benefit/save others lives then it is a good idea to have them harvested - but at the moment they wouldn't be simply because I have never had the opportunity to get an organ donor card.

I agree. Registering to not be an organ donor makes much more sense than registering to be a donor.

What I find especially puzzling is the fact that so many people who are anti-choice are also against compulsory organ donation. Why does a corpse's wishes trump the right to life, but a living woman's wishes doesn't?

I prefer a system in which you opt out of organ donation rather than opt in.

Granted, following death, all decisions are pretty much left up to the family, regardless of your personal desires.

I don't think it should be compulsory, but I DO think it's superstitious to demand the dead husk that once carried a soul or a spirit is anything but a husk. It's one of those things we're supposed to be "sensitive" about. I have no idea why.

I agree. Registering to not be an organ donor makes much more sense than registering to be a donor.

What I find especially puzzling is the fact that so many people who are anti-choice are also against compulsory organ donation. Why does a corpse's wishes trump the right to life, but a living woman's wishes doesn't?

So unassailably full of win.

I'm in favor of moving to an opt-out system. An opt-in system, in large part, tends to catch only those who feel strongly about donating organs. It misses those who don't care about it enough to actually opt-in, but wouldn't have a problem with it.

I don't think it should be compulsory, but I DO think it's superstitious to demand the dead husk that once carried a soul or a spirit is anything but a husk. It's one of those things we're supposed to be "sensitive" about. I have no idea why.

I have wondered this as well, I mean my body is very important to me now but when I'm dead what the hell does it matter what happens to my remains especially as in just 50 years there will probably be nothing left of them but bone fragments.

It just strikes me as efficiency irregardless of if you have a public or private health service to have as many organs donated as possible, most average people don't care enough/are too lazy to opt into organ donation and so they will be too lazy/not care enough to opt out of it, also there are a lot of people in my position who would register as a donor if they had ever been told how - an opt out system so it's not compulsory but is generally practiced could save me the hassle of finding out how and registering, lives and unnecessary beurocracy

So unassailably full of win.

Thank you. I can trade three of them for another taco. :)

Opt out. That way more transplants can be done & lives saved. If you don't want to donate, then you need to specify that.

i just need my heart to be weighed against a feather in one of the early parts of my journey to the after life you can have the rest.

If I'm dead they can take all they want... I am pretty sure its an opt out system here. When I go to the DMV to get my ID they always ask me right after taking my picture "Do you want to be an Organ Donor or not"

If I'm dead they can take all they want... I am pretty sure its an opt out system here. When I go to the DMV to get my ID they always ask me right after taking my picture "Do you want to be an Organ Donor or not"

If you're in the US, then it's an opt in system

If you're in the US, then it's an opt in system

I think doctors should take the organs they need anyway and replace em with plastic lookalikes. Nobody is gonna check. ;)

I think doctors should take the organs they need anyway and replace em with plastic lookalikes. Nobody is gonna check. ;)
Made all the better if it's done while people are still alive. It isn't like you need both kidneys anyway. Unless one of them fails...

It should stay the way it is: an opt in system. If someone didn't take the time to declare they wanted to have their body harvested after death then it shouldn't be assumed that they do.

Eh, I like the current "opt in" system that the USA have.

Made all the better if it's done while people are still alive. It isn't like you need both kidneys anyway. Unless one of them fails...

Rendundant back-up parts are for the weak. *nod*

Rendundant back-up parts are for the weak. *nod*

As are appendixes, tonsils, and the other things we don't really need, but still seem to have.

Rendundant back-up parts are for the weak. *nod*

*removes one of LG's testicles*

*removes one of LG's testicles*

:eek: *lists heavily to port* Give it back! :mad:

:eek: *lists heavily to port* Give it back! :mad:

*Hands him a plastic replica*

*Hands him a plastic replica*

The old one was titanium. :(

*Snatches the plastic one and hands him a Superball*

I don't think that it's fair that the government should assume ownership of my body (or at least parts of it) just because I died. I'd like to think of myself as the sole owner of my own body, and if I die, well, if anything it should go to my relatives, who will hopefully respect my wishes of what should be done with it.

Thank you. I can trade three of them for another taco. :)

I'll make the guacamole for you. My specialty is that and enchiladas. I guess I'm just a flour tortilla kinda guy.

And, just for you and this thread:

Something completely different (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enAfO3XezA8).

It should stay the way it is: an opt in system. If someone didn't take the time to declare they wanted to have their body harvested after death then it shouldn't be assumed that they do.

why should we sacrifice savable lives for the sake of indifference?

I don't think that it's fair that the government should assume ownership of my body (or at least parts of it) just because I died. I'd like to think of myself as the sole owner of my own body, and if I die, well, if anything it should go to my relatives, who will hopefully respect my wishes of what should be done with it.

But the government is more obliged to respect your wishes than your relatives, since they can't make you donate organs if you refuse (regardless of the organ donation system), but your relatives can often prevent you from donating organs even if you've previously agreed to do so.

There shouldn't be any "opting" to it. You die, and your ass (as well as any other organs you may have, I'm mainly interested in expanding my enormous collection of asses) is ours.

I was reading the news paper on the train yesterday and one article stated that that our leader Chairman Brown is considering bringing in a system whereby if someone dies it is presumed that s/he has given full permission for organ harvesting, I was wondering were others stood on this idea.

Personally I am in favour of this using the reasoning that when I am dead my corpse is simply a lump of useless dead flesh and if bits of said useless dead flesh can be made to benefit/save others lives then it is a good idea to have them harvested - but at the moment they wouldn't be simply because I have never had the opportunity to get an organ donor card.

It's a good idea, but it has already been defeated.

I'll make the guacamole for you. My specialty is that and enchiladas. I guess I'm just a flour tortilla kinda guy.

And, just for you and this thread:

Something completely different (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enAfO3XezA8).

Yay! :D

I don't think that it's fair that the government should assume ownership of my body (or at least parts of it) just because I died. I'd like to think of myself as the sole owner of my own body, and if I die, well, if anything it should go to my relatives, who will hopefully respect my wishes of what should be done with it.

Whether it's an opt-in or an opt-out system, the family of the deceased is still contacted (if possible) and does have the ability to make those decisions.

there arnt enough organs going round. Why not assume ownership unless someone can state they dont want too. All you need is a data base with names that opt out. Do an ID check and if they have opted out dont do anything else.

The way a body is stored now days an efficient system should not be a problem to do a check on all people if all you need to do is type the name which you see on the drivers liscence

[A photo of the Emperor Haile Selassie hangs on the wall of a
suburban house. Upstairs 'Hava Nagila' is being played on a lone
violin. The door bell rings.]

Mr Bloke: Don't worry dear, I'll get it!

[He opens the door.]

Mr Bloke: Yes!

First Man: Hello, er can we have your liver...?

Mr Bloke: My what?

First Man: Your liver... it's a large glandular organ in your
abdomen... you know it's a reddish-brown and it's sort of -

Mr Bloke: Yes, I know what it is, but I'm using it.

Second Man: Come on sir... don't muck us about.

[They move in.]

Mr Bloke: Hey!

[They shut the door behind him.]

[The first man makes a grab at his wallet and finds a
card in it.]

First Man: Hallo! What's this then...?

Mr Bloke: A liver donor's card.

First Man: Need we say more?

Second Man: No!

Mr Bloke: Look, I can't give it to you now. It says 'In The Event
of Death'...

First Man: No-one who has ever had their liver taken out by us has
survived...

[The second man is rummaging around in a bag of clanking
tools.]

Second Man: Just lie there, sir. it won't take a minute.

[They throw him onto the dining room table and, without
any more ceremony, start to cut him open. A rather sever
lady appears at the door.]

Mrs Bloke: 'Ere, what's going on?

First man: He's donating his liver, madam...

Mr Bloke: Aarrgh... oh!... aaargh ow! Ow!

Mrs Bloke: Is this because he took out one of those silly cards?

First Man: That's right, madam.

*snip*

I see what you did there... quite amusing.

I see what you did there... quite amusing.

What was that about hats again?

It should stay the way it is: an opt in system. If someone didn't take the time to declare they wanted to have their body harvested after death then it shouldn't be assumed that they do.

if someone didn't take the time to declare that they don't want to have their body harvested after death, than it shouldn't be assumed that they don't.

if someone didn't take the time to declare that they don't want to have their body harvested after death, than it shouldn't be assumed that they don't.

Oh God! We agree.:eek2: *looks outside for the apocalypse*