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Inspired by the morality/legality thread...

What laws have you broken?
Do you believe that you did anything wrong?
Do you belive the law should exist?
What do you think the appropriate punishment should be?

I think most parking tickets are horseshit. But then I have many of them. Ditto speeding tickets in places like North fucking Dakota. Any cop writing a speeding ticket for less than 15 over on a sunny day in the middle of nowhere with no ice on the road needs to be examined for a stick that's way too far up a place it shouldn't be. Or at least admit that their rural county depends on the revenue of people just trying to get the hell THROUGH it.

I'm a committed recidivist in terms of crossing the road in defiance of the little red man.

I ran red lights a few times. Most of the time I was waiting at an intersection in the dead of night...I mean comon.

Oh, let's see. Jaywalking, running red lights and stop signs, speeding, going the wrong way on a one way street, adultery, buying, selling and smoking pot. Is that enough?

Laws I've broken:
trespassing
parking
running stop signs/red lights
speeding
illegal drug use
purchase of illegal drugs
ownership/posession of illegal drugs
underage drinking
vandalism
jaywalking

in the cases of parking, jaywalking, speeding, running stop signs and red lights, and drug/alcohol related ones, no...I don't think I did anything wrong.

In the case of trespassing, some of them, no, I didn't do anything wrong (we went cliffdiving at the reservoir a few times). Others, such as the one related to vandalism, yeah...my bad.

In the case of vandalism, yeah. That was wrong. What happened was, at my old job, there was a tradition to get the pools closed so we could have a paid day off. It was tradition for some old guards to take out all the new guards and make that happen...nothing major (throwing dog shit into the pools, roadkill as one case happened to be, opened garbage bags...nothing dangerous, but cost the town money in clean up and lost wages to guard staff). Mind you, that year, the town broke the law by not following proper cleaning procedure. This was also out of revenge for numerous broken laws, where they would not pay us overtime, and would not give us proper breaks. Better ways to handle it? Possibly, but not when you're a 16 year old working your first real job where they could just fire you if you make any noise. This was our way of getting back the money we were supposed to be paid in the first place (granted, one day of work came nowhere near covering my overtime for a season)
Appropriate punishment had I been caught would be loss of my job and owing the town the money lost in clean up and wages.

Inspired by the morality/legality thread...
Holy shit, a thread I started inspired another thread! Go me!

What laws have you broken?
Let's see...
1. Underage drinking
2. Supplying alcohol to a minor
3. use of marijuana
4. DDoS
5. not sure about California's exact laws on sexual relations with a minor when it's only a couple months difference in ages
6. speeding (many, many many times)
7. illegal left turns, u-turns
8. minor acts of vandalism and arson
9. my friends and I threw a medical cup of an absent friend's urine at people's windows. not sure what specific law that violates
10. theft (of a deck chair)
11. we'd probably be charged with something for stealing a different deck chair, pulverizing it with heavy pieces of wood, setting it on fire, throwing it off a bridge and then recovering it and putting it back on the porch of the hapless apartment from which we'd taken it. not sure what though, besides destruction of property
12. violation of noise ordinances
13. public intoxication
14. Jaywalking.
Do you believe that you did anything wrong?
1. and 2.: no, since it would have been perfectly legal in Europe.
3. No, I don't see anything wrong with weed.
4. It was Scientology's website. So no.
5. My girlfriend and I were a few months apart. I was slightly older. No big deal.
6. Sorta, not exactly. I think I was only over by a reasonable amount and was safe.
7. Yes, results of situations where I had screwed up really.
8. Yes. Wouldn't do most of this again.
9. Not really. The recipients deserved it and it was funny.
10. Perhaps a bit of an exaggerated response to earlier grievances. So yes, it was wrong.
11. Yes, it was wrong. I don't exactly regret it, but I wouldn't do it again.
12. No, I think the noise ordinances were unreasonable.
13. No, I was just trying to walk home. How you're supposed to get home from a party or a bar while drunk without being intoxicated in public is beyond me.
14. No, it's a very quiet street.
Do you belive the law should exist?
1. & 2. I believe that the drinking age should be lowered.
3. No, marijuana should be legal.
4. Perhaps, I couldn't say.
5. Yes, but with an exception made for couples who are very close in age.
6. Yes, they're good guidelines. Especially for Highway 17. It's not safe to go must faster than the speed limit there.
7. Yes, they improve road safety.
8. Yes
9. Probably
10. Yeah, stealing isn't good.
11. Yes. Destruction of property isn't good.
12. maybe, but not as strict
13. not when you're just walking home.
14. on some streets.
What do you think the appropriate punishment should be?
Except for the laws I find unjust, I think the punishments are pretty fair.

What laws have you broken?

Well sometimes when I am on the clock at work I don't check to see if the tower lights are on or off during clear days.

Do you believe that you did anything wrong?

No I don't. If an airplane pilot can't see a 100 foot tall BLAZE ORANGE tower in the middle of a sunny day because the lights are off they shouldn't have been flying in the first fucking place.

Do you belive the law should exist?

I believe its a legitimate concern on cloudy days and at night but the law should be less restrictive.


What do you think the appropriate punishment should be?

If I recall its usually a reckless endangerment charge.



I always make sure that during bad weather, fog, whiteouts, and at night that the lights are on however.

I think most parking tickets are horseshit. But then I have many of them. Ditto speeding tickets in places like North fucking Dakota. Any cop writing a speeding ticket for less than 15 over on a sunny day in the middle of nowhere with no ice on the road needs to be examined for a stick that's way too far up a place it shouldn't be. Or at least admit that their rural county depends on the revenue of people just trying to get the hell THROUGH it.

Where I live, I think that they purposely stake out areas that people wouldn't think of bothering about the speed limit/stopping entirely at a stop sign etc, just so the council gets the money from the fines.

I'm a committed recidivist in terms of crossing the road in defiance of the little red man.

Haha, me too.

Oh, let's see. Jaywalking, running red lights and stop signs, speeding, going the wrong way on a one way street, adultery, buying, selling and smoking pot. Is that enough?

Selling, aye? ;)

Holy shit, a thread I started inspired another thread! Go me!
*snip*

You sure did.

I think marijuana should be legal too. I don't feel like breaking that law is wrong. In terms of speeding and running red lights, I do think it's wrong to break the law because most of those laws are there to stop people getting hurt, but I don't always think the punishments are fair. Fines are ridiculous. And yeah, also with you on the few months apart thing. I can't belive that at 15, my 16 year old boyfriend was technically breaking the law. I mean, come on.

Well sometimes when I am on the clock at work I don't check to see if the tower lights are on or off during clear days.



No I don't. If an airplane pilot can't see a 100 foot tall BLAZE ORANGE tower in the middle of a sunny day because the lights are off they shouldn't have been flying in the first fucking place.



I believe its a legitimate concern on cloudy days and at night but the law should be less restrictive.




If I recall its usually a reckless endangerment charge.



I always make sure that during bad weather, fog, whiteouts, and at night that the lights are on however.

*never flying again...*

There's only one thing I can say about this thread -

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a246/doomboy536/itsatrap.jpg

The police are watching us right now...

Oh, let's see. Jaywalking, running red lights and stop signs, speeding, going the wrong way on a one way street, adultery, buying, selling and smoking pot. Is that enough?

Are you married? Cause you cannot really commit adultery unless you're married. In that case it'd be bad cause you're unfaithful to your wife/husband. The rest - nope not enough.

You sure did.

I think marijuana should be legal too. I don't feel like breaking that law is wrong. In terms of speeding and running red lights, I do think it's wrong to break the law because most of those laws are there to stop people getting hurt, but I don't always think the punishments are fair. Fines are ridiculous. And yeah, also with you on the few months apart thing. I can't belive that at 15, my 16 year old boyfriend was technically breaking the law. I mean, come on.

Especially if activities that you were enjoying perfectly legally suddenly become illegal because it's one person's birthday.

From this thread I found out the following:

1. US actually has a drinking age.
2. Apparently there are speed limits.
3. Cannabis is illegal.
4. Jaywalking is a crime.

I find this thread quite informative.

Are you married? Cause you cannot really commit adultery unless you're married. In that case it'd be bad cause you're unfaithful to your wife/husband. The rest - nope not enough.

I was technically married at the time. We had already separated and agreed to divorce. He took it badly.

I also slept with a married man, though I didn't know he was married at the time.

What laws have you broken?

The laws of physics.

Or should the answer be: none, all my laws are still in one piece?

1) Speeding
2) Passing red lights/ stop signs - several times
3) Underage drinking
4) Smoking and buying marijuana.
5) Buying illegal prescription drugs
6) Theft/ stealing- mostly from a friend last year stealing some of his weed and money, sometimes small things
7) Damage to private/public property
8) Vandalism
9) Jaywalking

*never flying again...*

I do it when it would conceivably be a problem!

I was technically married at the time. We had already separated and agreed to divorce. He took it badly.

I also slept with a married man, though I didn't know he was married at the time.

Not adultery then. Unless you really, really love Jerry Fallwell's definition, which I somehow doubt. Thus my statement stays: nope, not enough.

Would peeing on a cop car be considered a crime?

Would peeing on a cop car be considered a crime?

assault on a police officer?

Breaking and entering, vandalism, theft, consumption of illegal narcotics, assault, animal cruelty, extortion and blackmail and a great deal more.

I have only been caught at one of these (breaking and entering) therefore that is the only one I regret - I should've planned it better.

You'd have to go to Iran, which legally requires everyone there to be christian, jewish, muslim, or zoroastrianism. I live in the US, though, so they can take their rule and suck it!

assault on a police officer?

The police officer wasn't there. The car was just there, and I was heavily buzzed, and I had to release. You know the feeling, when you just have to go. My friends were the only ones who saw me. I mean is it really assualt if I didn't touch a human being? Can't it be car wash with a very special fluid?

The police officer wasn't there. The car was just there, and I was heavily buzzed, and I had to release. You know the feeling, when you just have to go. My friends were the only ones who saw me. I mean is it really assualt if I didn't touch a human being? Can't it be car wash with a very special fluid?

Eh, I figured if hitting a police dog could be considered assault on a police officer, then why not peeing on a police car?

Eh, I figured if hitting a police dog could be considered assault on a police officer, then why not peeing on a police car?

Does the cop see you or not? But seriously, what can one be charged with?

Inspired by the morality/legality thread...

[QUOTE]What laws have you broken?

Jaywalking and speeding, off the top of my head

Do you believe that you did anything wrong?

No

Do you belive the law should exist?

No

What do you think the appropriate punishment should be?

There shouldn't be any.

1) Speeding
2) Passing red lights/ stop signs - several times
3) Underage drinking
4) Smoking and buying marijuana.
5) Buying illegal prescription drugs
6) Theft/ stealing- mostly from a friend last year stealing some of his weed and money, sometimes small things
7) Damage to private/public property
8) Vandalism
9) Jaywalking

Don't steal pot, man.
It's all about sharing and feeling the love.

No, really, stealing pot is mean.

Would peeing on a cop car be considered a crime?

Not in my books!

Breaking and entering, vandalism, theft, consumption of illegal narcotics, assault, animal cruelty, extortion and blackmail and a great deal more.

I have only been caught at one of these (breaking and entering) therefore that is the only one I regret - I should've planned it better.

You don't regret being cruel to animals? I can understand why you might not regret assault - they might have "deserved" it, but...animals? What did they do to you?

Eh, I figured if hitting a police dog could be considered assault on a police officer, then why not peeing on a police car?

Well, a police dog would be considered a police officer where as a car isn't.

Does the cop see you or not? But seriously, what can one be charged with?

Vandalism.

It would be easier to list the ones I haven't broken.

In fact, for years I was in violation of the law for at least an hour or two per day, every day. DOT hours of service violations, you see. A felony in a couple states, or so I've heard, and punishable by around $1000.00/hr in most. No way around it, though.

I should add that I have also broken the law by getting music illegally and recording TV broadcasts which only till 2004 was illegal in Australia.

Does the cop see you or not? But seriously, what can one be charged with?

Destruction of city property, or something similar.

As far as what laws I've broken, nothing really serious.

Although I think you should be allowed to shoot a_holes on site, given a medal even. Hey, if every moment could be proven in court I'm sure we would consider it.

You don't regret being cruel to animals? I can understand why you might not regret assault - they might have "deserved" it, but...animals? What did they do to you?

No, I don't regret it. I enjoyed it, even.

"Regret" has a very specific meaning to me - it is unrelated to remorse or guilt (feelings I've never experienced). I regret getting caught, I do not regret the acts, because my sole reason for committing those acts is invariably to enjoy myself. Why should I regret that?

Vandalism.

But it trickled down; doesn't vandalism have to be permanent? This would only last till the next carwash :P

No, I don't regret it. I enjoyed it, even.

"Regret" has a very specific meaning to me - it is unrelated to remorse or guilt (feelings I've never experienced). I regret getting caught, I do not regret the acts, because my sole reason for committing those acts is invariably to enjoy myself. Why should I regret that?

Lemme guess: you grew up in a violent household, right?

Lemme guess: you grew up in a violent household, right?

No, don't be daft. I grew up in a loving, compassionate household. Don't buy into stereotypes.

No, don't be daft. I grew up in a loving, compassionate household. Don't buy into stereotypes.

Then why torture innocent animals? I mean I actually enjoyed reading the posts in this thread, but your post kinda shocked me.

No, don't be daft. I grew up in a loving, compassionate household. Don't buy into stereotypes.

1 in 100 people exhibit Psycopathic tendencies, you however probably qualify as an actual psychopath. I really hope you enjoy prison because if you can reign yourself in you will go there.

Then why torture innocent animals? I mean I actually enjoyed reading the posts in this thread, but your post kinda shocked me.

Because it's easy. I don't have a justification because I don't bother justifying anything to myself. To me, it seems a pointless exercise. The best explaination I can give you is that it felt good.

1 in 100 people exhibit Psycopathic tendencies, you however probably qualify as an actual psychopath. I really hope you enjoy prison because if you can reign yourself in you will go there.

I do not identify as a psychopath. Largely, I am not criminally minded. I have no desire to be caught or imprisoned, why should I risk it? As for your 1 in 100 statistic, I think you'll find sociopaths are much more common than you hold, and the majority of them are undetectable. The semi-anonyminity of the internet allows me to be largely upfront here, but in real life, you would never guess what I am.

1 in 100 people exhibit Psycopathic tendencies, you however probably qualify as an actual psychopath. I really hope you enjoy prison because if you can reign yourself in you will go there.

Somehow I don't think that's true. No one can really be born purely evil or purely good. It's the personality + talents + education + societal influences that shape a person. He may just be hiding a deep scar, maybe not from family, maybe from someone else.

But it trickled down; doesn't vandalism have to be permanent? This would only last till the next carwash :P

Well maybe, but cops don't like people touching their car. And if someone pissed on my car I would want them to be punished for it.

I'm sure there would be something they could pin you on.

Because it's easy. I don't have a justification because I don't bother justifying anything to myself. To me, it seems a pointless exercise. The best explaination I can give you is that it felt good.

Shooting homeless people is easy. Yet somehow I don't think that'd be something I derive satisfaction from. I'd rather feed them, clothe them and send them off to community college. Most actually blend into society quite well. And then when voting comes around...let's just say I have an influence.

Well maybe, but cops don't like people touching their car. And if someone pissed on my car I would want them to be punished for it.

I'm sure there would be something they could pin you on.

If someone did it to my car, I wouldn't care enough to actually search for them and punish them. Take it to a $4 car wash, shish.

Edit: if I do catch them doing it, then they're getting bitch-slapped and losing $20, or I'm taking them to court. My guess is that most would choose to be bitch-slapped.

Shooting homeless people is easy. Yet somehow I don't think that'd be something I derive satisfaction from. I'd rather feed them, clothe them and send them off to community college. Most actually blend into society quite well. And then when voting comes around...let's just say I have an influence.

No, shooting homeless people is hard, quite simply because you'll be caught. I'm unsure if I'd derive satisfaction from killing a human, as I've never experienced it (and have no plans to).

What laws have you broken?


Causality. :p

The 1 in 100 statistic was pulled straight out of one of my psychology books from college.. I was reading it from boredom...

I've committed all the little, petty crimes (jaywalking, not paying bus/train fare, stealing little packets of nibblers, underage drinking) everyone else has. I would do them again (if it were possible for me to be under 21 again, which isn't likely).
That said, I actually support the laws I broke. If any idiot could just sneak on the back of a bus, and it was never punished, the public transportation system would collapse. Similarly, if there were never any speed limits, people would be flying along at 100 MPH all the time, rather than just when they didn't see any cops about. So, periodically an example has to be made in order to keep the majority of the people following that law most of the time.

Once, I did something quite horrible to someone I loved. That, I regret immensely, and fully deserve to be punished severely for.
Not that I'm going to throw my life away in pursuit of justice: let sleeping dogs lie, and all that.

EDIT: Oh, yeah, I've also committed one (1) assault with a deadly (ha) weapon. That was stupid, but I'd do it again. It probably should be illegal, what with the whole getting beaten up sucks, thing.

No, shooting homeless people is hard, quite simply because you'll be caught. I'm unsure if I'd derive satisfaction from killing a human, as I've never experienced it (and have no plans to).

Are you afraid because you don't want to kill humans, or because you are afraid of being caught?

hmmm
Crime/did I do anything wrong/should the law exist/punishment?

Public urination / well.. probably, but when the line to get into the club is 30 mins long, what do you expect? / probably, but they need options for people who need to piss at 2am in the morning
Drunken and disorderly in public/disorderly perhaps?/yeah
Minor traffic things - I avoid doing things that are plain stupid.
J-Walking / no/ has its' reasons, but there are places it shouldn't apply/
theft of various construction signs / yes / yes (not that i'm going to give them back, I still use them all the time!
public drinking / no / no
Supplying alcohol to a minor / no - he was 17, and his parents knew he was drinking / yes
Sexual harrasement of a cop / yes... fair enough 90% of people would just laugh it off, and I am lucky she did. There is still the small percentage of people that would have kicked my arse / yes / she could have handcuffed me ;)

The 1 in 100 statistic was pulled straight out of one of my psychology books from college.. I was reading it from boredom...

Damn. That means we have 67 million of them running around. That's crazy.

Are you afraid because you don't want to kill humans, or because you are afraid of being caught?

Afraid of being caught. I weigh things on a three axis scale - energy output versus consequences/chance of being caught versus accepted behavioural norms. If the chances of being caught are very low, I can override the other two variables and commit any act. As it stands, murder is off the table for this reason. However, I have no moral objection to it, because I have little concept of morality.

In short: if I were presented with an opportunity to kill someone without risk to myself or my freedom, I'm not sure I would resist.

The 1 in 100 statistic was pulled straight out of one of my psychology books from college.. I was reading it from boredom...

As far as I was aware the statistic was something like 3%. In any case, sociopaths are adept liars and APD is very difficult to diagnose. Even the best psychotherapists can be fooled by an intelligent sociopath. There's likely a great deal of "us" who are undiagnosed, or have never been in contact with a psychiatrist. I am one of these people.

Afraid of being caught. I weigh things on a three axis scale - energy output versus consequences/chance of being caught versus accepted behavioural norms. If the chances of being caught are very low, I can override the other two variables and commit any act. As it stands, murder is off the table for this reason. However, I have no moral objection to it, because I have little concept of morality.

In short: if I were presented with an opportunity to kill someone without risk to myself or my freedom, I'm not sure I would resist.

Damn. Why don't you just join the army and get sent off to Afghanistan?

The 1 in 100 statistic was pulled straight out of one of my psychology books from college.. I was reading it from boredom...
What is the percentage of trolls in the general population? I find it hard to believe that someone as foaming at the mouth as Mindset claims to be would really waste his nights on NSG when there are perfectly good mailboxes to vandalize.

Damn. Why don't you just join the army and get sent off to Afghanistan?

Dur, self preservation.

What is the percentage of trolls in the general population? I find it hard to believe that someone as foaming at the mouth as Mindset claims to be would really waste his nights on NSG when there are perfectly good mailboxes to vandalize.

Hardly foaming, just bored.

Inspired by the morality/legality thread...

What laws have you broken?

None that I'm about to admit in a public forum! :p

Lemme guess: you grew up in a violent household, right?

No, don't be daft. I grew up in a loving, compassionate household. Don't buy into stereotypes.

I would not however be at all surprised if your neighbors would describe you as "someone who's quiet, keeps to him/herself" . . .

I would not however be at all surprised if your neighbors would describe you as "someone who's quiet, keeps to him/herself" . . .


Nope, I'm outgoing, funny, outwardly charming and all around likeable. Again, stereotypes.

Nope, I'm outgoing, funny, outwardly charming and all around likeable. Again, stereotypes.

Somehow I doubt the likable part. You are performing calculations in your head for every action you take, you have no impulse to follow, I wouldn't find a robot likable.

Mindset isn't a psychopath.

Mindset is a sociopath.

Inspired by the morality/legality thread...

What laws have you broken?
Do you believe that you did anything wrong?
Do you belive the law should exist?
What do you think the appropriate punishment should be?

Let's see... petty theft, solicitation of prostitution, public intoxication, simple assault, disorderly conduct, trespass, vandalism, jaywalking, littering, reckless driving, disturbing the peace, falsification of information, drug possession and use, loitering, unlawful assembly, homebrewing (illegal here in Japan), mopery, copyright infringement, criminal recklessness, tax evasion, smuggling, ummm... I'm quite sure I could come up with more...

Simple assault and petty theft were bad.
Littering, reckless driving, disturbing the peace, criminal recklessness, and trespass were grey areas.
The rest were fine by me.

Yep - the simple assault (I popped sombody in the nose) and petty theft should be illegal. Littrering, reckless driving, disturbing the peace, criminal recklessness, and trespass should depend. The others should be legal.

Simple assault shouldn't be a big deal - especially since I got my luumps. US$50 fine would have been about right...
Petty theft pay double the value to the victem (no more than a few dollars in any instance I committed).

None yet. Still many years ahead though! And, how many generalites have used drugs_

None yet.

I doubt that.

Ever been in a fist fight? Simple assault.

Ever crossed the street against the light or not at a crosswalk? Jaywalking.

Ever drop even a small scrap of something inm a public place? Littering.

Ever hang out with your friends in a public place? Loitering.

Ever walk around going nowhere special? Mopery.

I'm sure I could pinpoint more if I knew more about Finnish law...

And, how many generalites have used drugs

I'd say every last one. Illegal drugs may be a different question...

I went to prison for 3 months in Serbia, because I didn't have my address registered when I lived there. No, I personally didn't do anything wrong, it was my landlord's responsibility to register me. Stupid Balkan legal system :mad:

I doubt that.

Ever been in a fist fight? Simple assault.

Ever crossed the street against the light or not at a crosswalk? Jaywalking.

Ever drop even a small scrap of something inm a public place? Littering.

Ever hang out with your friends in a public place? Loitering.

Ever walk around going nowhere special? Mopery.

I'm sure I could pinpoint more if I knew more about Finnish law...



I'd say every last one. Illegal drugs may be a different question...

Well, yeah Ive broken laws. For Finnish law, Wikipedia can help you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Finnish_law
And, Im talking about illegal drugs.

Oh yeah, and I've done the illegal drugs thing

...
Ever walk around going nowhere special? Mopery.
...


Wow, mopery. :eek:

I had to look it up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mopery). At the risk of a slight derailment, has anyone who lives somewhere that has this ridiculous offence on the statute books ever been cautioned for it? Or know someone who has?

None yet. Still many years ahead though! And, how many generalites have used drugs_

Hurry up mate. You're 14 and you are yet to break a law?

Not even jaywalking?

Goody-two-shoes :p

Hurry up mate. You're 14 and you are yet to break a law?

Not even jaywalking?

Goody-two-shoes :p
Jaywalking is not actually an offence in most of the world. In the UK, for example, there is no law to stop pedestrians walking on the roads (with the exception of motorways).

Wow, mopery. :eek:

I had to look it up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mopery). At the risk of a slight derailment, has anyone who lives somewhere that has this ridiculous offence on the statute books ever been cautioned for it? Or know someone who has?
We have the stop and search laws, and the whole dispersal order thing means that groups of more than 3 in a public place can be moved on, even if they're not doing anything wrong. Looks like the same thing to me.

Well, yeah Ive broken laws. For Finnish law, Wikipedia can help you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Finnish_law
And, Im talking about illegal drugs.

So your claim of "none" is busted, yes?

Wow, mopery. :eek:

I had to look it up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mopery). At the risk of a slight derailment, has anyone who lives somewhere that has this ridiculous offence on the statute books ever been cautioned for it? Or know someone who has?

:D

I've been rousted by J-cops for more or less this.

Jaywalking is not actually an offence in most of the world. In the UK, for example, there is no law to stop pedestrians walking on the roads (with the exception of motorways).

Hmmm...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6251431.stm

It's claimed to be an offense in Northern Ireland, part of the UK....

:D

I've been rousted by J-cops for more or less this.

Ouch :(

It all sounds a bit draconian to me. Of course, that may just be because the only thing I know about it is what I've read on Wikipedia in the last 20 minutes, and its description -- "Mopery is a vague and obscure legal term, used in certain jurisdictions to mean "walking down the street with no clear destination or purpose"" -- sounds pretty much like my default state during my late teens :tongue:

Hmmm...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6251431.stm

It's claimed to be an offense in Northern Ireland, part of the UK....
Aye, you're right. They have a strange set of laws over there (although they probably say the same about us). My comment stands for the rest of the UK. :)

No, I don't regret it. I enjoyed it, even.

"Regret" has a very specific meaning to me - it is unrelated to remorse or guilt (feelings I've never experienced). I regret getting caught, I do not regret the acts, because my sole reason for committing those acts is invariably to enjoy myself. Why should I regret that?

You disgust me.

Because it's easy. I don't have a justification because I don't bother justifying anything to myself. To me, it seems a pointless exercise. The best explaination I can give you is that it felt good.

And because something feels good it's automatically "right"?
You need to weigh it out. If it felt good for you but hurt another being terribly, the amount of pain endured outweighs the good, therefore it's wrong. Simple maths, really...

I do not identify as a psychopath. Largely, I am not criminally minded. I have no desire to be caught or imprisoned, why should I risk it? As for your 1 in 100 statistic, I think you'll find sociopaths are much more common than you hold, and the majority of them are undetectable. The semi-anonyminity of the internet allows me to be largely upfront here, but in real life, you would never guess what I am.

You know what's pathetic? Is that you're trying to make it come under the umbrella of a psychiatric symptom.

I have a thousand pyshciatric symptoms.
I still think hurting animals or people is inherently wrong.

Shooting homeless people is easy. Yet somehow I don't think that'd be something I derive satisfaction from. I'd rather feed them, clothe them and send them off to community college. Most actually blend into society quite well. And then when voting comes around...let's just say I have an influence.

...Homeless people =/= people...?

No, shooting homeless people is hard, quite simply because you'll be caught. I'm unsure if I'd derive satisfaction from killing a human, as I've never experienced it (and have no plans to).

Oh, hoo-fucking-ray.


Once, I did something quite horrible to someone I loved. That, I regret immensely, and fully deserve to be punished severely for.
Not that I'm going to throw my life away in pursuit of justice: let sleeping dogs lie, and all that.

Owch, I smell rape?

snip

I've seen a lot of things on the internet (including stuff from gurochan my friend would set the background of the living room computer to last year) but so far the most disturbing is what I've read in this thread that was posted by Mindset.

So your claim of "none" is busted, yes?



:D


Yeah, it is busted.

Hurry up mate. You're 14 and you are yet to break a law?

Not even jaywalking?

Goody-two-shoes :p

Jaywalking isn't an offense here. And, I'm a law-abiding nerd.

You disgust me.


I've seen a lot of things on the internet (including stuff from gurochan my friend would set the background of the living room computer to last year) but so far the most disturbing is what I've read in this thread that was posted by Mindset.

Agreed, both counts...

Owch, I smell rape?

I was thinking maybe he cheated on her, or maybe some other form of broken trust.

I'm a law-abiding nerd.

Welcome brother, to the International Club of Law Abiding People's.

Also known as ICLAP!

Also known as ICLAP!

ICLAP? Isn't that what you get when you have cyber sex?

ICLAP? Isn't that what you get when you have cyber sex?

Only if your on a MAC. Its ECLAP otherwise.

But thats why you use a firewall.

Jaywalking isn't an offense here. And, I'm a law-abiding nerd.

Well you better get your arse in gear and start breaking some laws. :p

Actually one law I have broken and I kind of like this law, is that I have walked on the right hand side of the footpath rather than the left hand side.

There have been a few other laws I have broken come to think of it; public urination, assault (though minor), littering (as much as I regret it when I do it), and disturbing the peace.

Only if your on a MAC. Its ECLAP otherwise.

But thats why you use a firewall.

Yeah I sometimes forget to use the protection though.

Yeah I sometimes forget to use the protection though.

:eek: you mean you never took cybersex ed?

:eek: you mean you never took cybersex ed?

No, it's something the Human Development and science classes never taught us, not even phone sex. It's a travesty, all these kids not knowing to turn their firewall on when you are going to have cybersex.

No, it's something the Human Development and science classes never taught us, not even phone sex. It's a travesty, all these kids not knowing to turn their firewall on when you are going to have cybersex.

Well to be fair it is more fun without a firewall but the penalties can be nasty...

What, not even phone sex o.o, I'm so sorry for the youth of your nation...

Because it's easy. I don't have a justification because I don't bother justifying anything to myself. To me, it seems a pointless exercise. The best explaination I can give you is that it felt good.



I do not identify as a psychopath. Largely, I am not criminally minded. I have no desire to be caught or imprisoned, why should I risk it? As for your 1 in 100 statistic, I think you'll find sociopaths are much more common than you hold, and the majority of them are undetectable. The semi-anonyminity of the internet allows me to be largely upfront here, but in real life, you would never guess what I am.

I know what you are, either a blagger or a copper!

As far as I was aware the statistic was something like 3%. In any case, sociopaths are adept liars and APD is very difficult to diagnose. Even the best psychotherapists can be fooled by an intelligent sociopath. There's likely a great deal of "us" who are undiagnosed, or have never been in contact with a psychiatrist. I am one of these people.

Yep you are a blagger. This totaly contradicts your previous post where you claim not to be a socialpath.

Mindset isn't a psychopath.

Mindset is a sociopath.

Meh same thing.

Well to be fair it is more fun without a firewall but the penalties can be nasty...

What, not even phone sex o.o, I'm so sorry for the youth of your nation...

It is epidemic that has spread around our nation, all these kids have ICLAP and ECLAP. I got a girlfriend pregnant once from phone sex, if only they had taught us in school. *shakes head*

Now is it possible to get ECLAP from someone who has ICLAP?

:D

It is epidemic that has spread around our nation, all these kids have ICLAP and ECLAP. I got a girlfriend pregnant once from phone sex, if only they had taught us in school. *shakes head*

Now is it possible to get ECLAP from someone who has ICLAP?

:D

Well ever since they made the two operating systems compatible...

Meh same thing.

I'm sure there is a difference. One will just act out without warning, while the other will first plan what they are going to do and consider the option beforehand.

I'm sure there is a difference. One will just act out without warning, while the other will first plan what they are going to do and consider the option beforehand.

Naaa it's a label thing. We used to call them phsycopaths, now we call them socialpaths. Mind set though is not a socialpath, he is a liar.

Your socialpath would just not do or say what mindset has said and done here in an internet forum, knowing full well that he can be found as easy as my clicking my fingers. Nor would they consider that anything at all was wrong with them, nor would they bring such attention to their misdeeds.

Fair enough.

Naaa it's a label thing. We used to call them phsycopaths, now we call them socialpaths. Mind set though is not a socialpath, he is a liar.

Your socialpath would just not do or say what mindset has said and done here in an internet forum, knowing full well that he can be found as easy as my clicking my fingers. Nor would they consider that anything at all was wrong with them, nor would they bring such attention to their misdeeds.

So in other words, he's just trying to be controversial.

Of course, though, he could be deviously telling the truth while knowing full well that he would be assumed to be lying. Or he could be lying knowing that someone would think maybe he was telling the truth because everyone would assume he was lying. Then again, he could be... etc.

So in other words, he's just trying to be controversial.

Of course, though, he could be deviously telling the truth while knowing full well that he would be assumed to be lying. Or he could be lying knowing that someone would think maybe he was telling the truth because everyone would assume he was lying. Then again, he could be... etc.

Naaa I think he is just lying, he seems to know much about the workings of a socialpathic mind, which of course your socialpath, while quite possibly being able to have the same knowledge, would not equate this kind of person with themselves.

Causality. :p

In Soviet Russia, causality breaks you!

Naaa I think he is just lying, he seems to know much about the workings of a socialpathic mind, which of course your socialpath, while quite possibly being able to have the same knowledge, would not equate this kind of person with themselves.

Of course we do. You're thinking of narcissism. A narccist believes themselves to be normal, but superior. I know I'm different.

I don't particularly mind if people know what I am, even in real life. It doesn't bother me.

I not going to confess. I didn't do it, nobody saw me, you copas can prove anything.

I constantly break Newton's first law.

Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.

I stop and start moving at random intervals.

Of course we do. You're thinking of narcissism. A narccist believes themselves to be normal, but superior. I know I'm different.

I don't particularly mind if people know what I am, even in real life. It doesn't bother me.

Yeah right.

Yeah right.

I have nothing to prove to you.

I have nothing to prove to you.

Sweet.

Well you better get your arse in gear and start breaking some laws. :p

Actually one law I have broken and I kind of like this law, is that I have walked on the right hand side of the footpath rather than the left hand side.

There have been a few other laws I have broken come to think of it; public urination, assault (though minor), littering (as much as I regret it when I do it), and disturbing the peace.

I've broken the following: Minor assault, public urination, littering, walking on the other side of the footpath, downloading pirated stuff and jaywalking if it was an offence.

I don't think I've ever broken a law. I drank a little alcohol when I was underage, but if I remember correctly my parents bought it for me, and thats not illegal here. I technically maybe broke the Computer Misuse Act or something similar once by logging in as another person on the school computers. My classmates had found out the password to a teachers account and were misusing it, taking away the print credits and banning those they didn't like and spying on people's internet histories. I logged in to change the password of the compromised account and email the administrator to tell them what had been happening and what I'd changed the password to to stop them. I hardly think that really counts, as I was not really misusing it and was intervening to stop others from committing a criminal offence.

I have illegally downloaded three songs, after failing to find a legal way to acquire them. If I get a chance to, I will do so. If the RIAA catches me, I'll pay them double what I would normally pay for those songs.

Apart from that, I've only violated driving-related laws. I once drove unsupervised without a license (I was learning to drive, and my dad had me drive around a parking lot while he went inside briefly).

I think I've avoided jaywalking where it's illegal. Is jaywalking illegal in New York City?

Too much to list. And probably too incriminating on here...

*looks around suspiciously*

Loads. Assault. Assault with a weapon. Both of these could be classified as under the whole boys will be boys thing but seeing as I returned the favour with a hockey stick in one case....

Like all the drinking/drug ones, including driving. Like all the driving ones too. I drove a truck hauling fluids and I was constantly overweight for the roads I was on which is big, massive license losing offense. Ironically, I've only ever been pulled over twice (both for speeding) and both times I was waved because it was late at night and I had been just trying to get home from the job site I had been at for 14 hours.

Ummm, copyright infringement I guess. Musicwise it is still a grey area in Canada so I dunno where I fall in that whole shtick. But I've done it with other things like movies, including DRM protected ones that I don't own, software, etc...

I also blew up a car once. That would have it's own massive list of shit I could be put away for. But I was with friends and it was a lot of fun and is one of those moments I'll cherish and remember forever.


EDIT:

Yes and no on the whole was it wrong thing. Yes it was wrong, I broke the law it is as simple as that. But then no, many laws are rather retarded and go farther than protecting the public and attempt to protect people from their own actions. Actions have consequences and we have to learn how to deal with them.

Yes I believe some laws should exist, others no, and over all I think the whole system could be looked at and streamlined for the general and sane public.

As for the appropriate punishment? In Canada here, I'd be fined to death. Is that appropriate considering the number of crimes I've committed? Hell no. The lack of severity of punishment actually disturbs me here. And the fact the the public have to pay for the whole prison system, in essence the crimes of the criminals is another thing that disturbs me. I feel if the criminals actually worked their sentence instead if stuck in a cell all day or paying big bucks and getting off scott free we'd be a little better off.

I refuse to answer pursuant to my Fifth Amendment privilege.

:eek::$:D

Can I just say I am disgusted by the amount of jaywalking NSGers have been involved in, I am deeply disappointed with all of you.

Smoked a lot of pot, no regrets. Drove drunk, that was definitely wrong and I'm glad I was busted. Plus all the other laws people mention here.

1.Theft. Of 1 sweet in a shop when I was 7.
2. Murder.

Can I just say I am disgusted by the amount of jaywalking NSGers have been involved in, I am deeply disappointed with all of you.

I am shocked the government feels the need in so many countries to dictate when and where people can cross roads, as if the population has no ability to consider the dangers of when is safe or not to do so.

1. What laws have you broken?
2. Do you believe that you did anything wrong?
3. Do you belive the law should exist?
4. What do you think the appropriate punishment should be?

1. Possessed, supplied (as in, someone asked me and I gave them a bud because they were out) and smoked pot; jaywalked, vandalism, trespassed, general mischief...

2. Only with the vandalism. I broke a neighbour's window out of ignorance. I knew there were possible consequences but I did it anyway.

3. The laws for everything but marijuana should exist in their current form. Marijuana laws need to be drastically reformed.

4. Uh... I don't know for vandalism because I was 11 when I did it. I wouldn't have qualified as a "young offender".

What laws have you broken?
Electronic Harassment, Sexual Harassment, Verbal Assault, Assault, General Misbehavior

Do you believe that you did anything wrong?
Yeah, but I think that authorities underreact to it and then overreact when I think I can get away with a second offense.

Do you belive the law should exist?
I don't think any laws should exist.

What do you think the appropriate punishment should be?
None, unless people form a lynch mob.

Would paid assassin be counted as an illegal profession?
If so then yes I have :p

Let's see, so far I have done:

Underage Drinking
Use of Illegal Drugs, specifically marijuana
Jaywalking
Speeding (but never above what is a safe speed for the current traffic.)
Illegal music downloads
Theft (VERY minor-- I once stole a peppermint from a store as a child.)
Illegal use of fireworks.

And others, I'm sure, but those are the ones that immediately come to mind. The theft, of course, was wrong, even if it was only a minor offense, and I agree in principle with speeding laws, but I often think that they get the specific limits wrong.

All the others? Bah. I have no regrets and will probably continue to commit such crimes. I have no moral compulsion against breaking the law itself, only against breaking just laws.

Pretty much just speeding and jaywalking, and not even much of either. I'm fairly boring. :tongue:

I've broken the following: Minor assault, public urination, littering, walking on the other side of the footpath, downloading pirated stuff and jaywalking if it was an offence.

Our little WMU is growing up. Today minor assault, public unrination. Tomorrow, Grand larceny, murder, kidnapping *wipes tear from eye* :p

Yeah downloading priated stuff, everybody has done that. While I know it is a law I don't even think about it when I do it as breaking the law.

Can I just say I am disgusted by the amount of jaywalking NSGers have been involved in, I am deeply disappointed with all of you.

I had to jaywalk to get to this computer.

I don't see how jaywalking is a big deal and why it is illegal. As long as people are safe when crossing the road or walking down the middle of the street, then what is the problem?

Probabaly some I'm forgetting...
Jaywalking (Seems like everyone does that....)
Speeding (On a bicycle! Woo!)
Illegal downloading (Stopped doing that though, I prefer buying CDs now)

Torching an orphanage, blowing up a bus full of nuns, and smoking in a public building.

Internet piracy, file sharing shouldn't be illegal, its just the sharing of information!

speeding, I was on my bike so it doesn't matter but yeah speeding should be illegal for a good reason, even if some speed limits should be raised

class A,B and C drugs(I've never done crack Heroine or crystal meth or anything that involves needles), government research states that alcohol is the fourth most harmful/ addictive substance available in the united kingdom (funnily enough after crack heroine and meth, in that order too) and its legal so to be perfectly honest deregulate it all - the quality of what is available would go up, drug related deaths would decline and there would be far less gang violence on our streets.

noise pollution laws, I like loud music but yeah this is probably wrong and regulated for a reason.

a whole host of stupid by laws

public urination, I needed a pee and there are no toilets available in most of the UK that you don't have to pay for so I'll pee were I want until there are

assault & GBH, I was attacked by a group of chav delinquents and defended myself accordingly, I walked off with cracked teeth and those three didn't walk off, it served them right for trying to beat me up just for looking different and having some piercings. I don't think that kind of defence should be illegal

and finally ........ wait for it .... riding my bike on the pavement not in the street - I'm not risking my life around car drivers just because I may slightly injure a pedestrian

I hope I havent made myself look like a nut-case to anyone

I hope I havent made myself look like a nut-case to anyone

Well not with this post :p

Good on you for getting those chavs though.

assault & GBH, I was attacked by a group of chav delinquents and defended myself accordingly, I walked off with cracked teeth and those three didn't walk off, it served them right for trying to beat me up just for looking different and having some piercings. I don't think that kind of defence should be illegal


Psssst... it's not

I coveted my neighbour's ox :(

I coveted my neighbour's ox :(

mmmmm.. sexy ox

I coveted my neighbour's ox :(

You shouldn't feel envious because your neighbour has an ox.

I coveted my neighbour's ox :(

I coveted his wife. And her ass. :(

I have broken a crapload of laws. Do I feel bad? Nah.

I coveted his wife. And her ass. :(

I actually put it in her ass.

Universal gravitation. The attraction between New Limacon and another mass is inversely proportional to the cube of the distance between their centers. Ha, take that, Mr. Universe!

illegal drug use


I'm not going to list the laws I've broken, cuz I'm squeaky clean folks.

Also, I don't think the actual use of illicit or illegal drugs is in itself illegal in most places. The offences are usually possession, obtaining a substance etc. It's like how having sex for money is not per se illegal...but rather all the conduct surrounding such an act has been criminalised.

I'm firmly in the 'lex iniusta non est lex' camp, which means (given my wobbly sense of justice) that my list would be fairly substantial. :tongue:

Shoplifting candy together with my no good friends when I was a kid. We did it many times, none of us were ever caught, we eventually stopped doing it, and I regret it.

Today the only thing I do except jaywalking and such is massive amounts of copyright infringement, and I'm not sorry for that.

By the way, in what counties is jaywalking illegal, because a lot of you have posted it as an offence.

I killed a guy in Reno

I killed a guy in Reno

Just to watch him die.

Which laws?

I've had a couple of parking tickets, and a couple of minor speeding tickets in my entire life.

making a christmas Pudding and dancing on Sundays

I'm not going to list the laws I've broken, cuz I'm squeaky clean folks.

Also, I don't think the actual use of illicit or illegal drugs is in itself illegal in most places. The offences are usually possession, obtaining a substance etc. It's like how having sex for money is not per se illegal...but rather all the conduct surrounding such an act has been criminalised.

the act of using drugs isn't illegal neither is having them in your system, just possessing them, so if you ever get caught by any police just take all the drugs you have on your person straight away and there is literally nothing they can do to you

making a christmas Pudding and dancing on Sundays

You fiend!

assult when a juvenile, littering, speeding, illegally parking, driving in a defected veichle, drinking near the bus interchange, road rage and breaking a working contract. i think that is about it. Never been found guilty for any of them except illegally parking tho

When I was 12 I got a repremand for supplying the village kids with fake scottish (Clydesdale) £5 notes.

the act of using drugs isn't illegal neither is having them in your system, just possessing them, so if you ever get caught by any police just take all the drugs you have on your person straight away and there is literally nothing they can do to you
That's "public intoxication".

That's "public intoxication".

It's also fucking stupid, especially if the drugs you're dealing with are little white pills.

Hmm, must have been a few...

Under-age sex and drinking, drinking in public, drug use, speeding, threatening a police officer, vandalism, theft.

Man, I sound semi-bad-ass, but in reality I'm really, really not.

I was thinking maybe he cheated on her, or maybe some other form of broken trust.

Oh.
Is adultery actually illegal...?

Can I just say I am disgusted by the amount of jaywalking NSGers have been involved in, I am deeply disappointed with all of you.

:(

Let's see, so far I have done:

Underage Drinking
Use of Illegal Drugs, specifically marijuana
Jaywalking
Speeding (but never above what is a safe speed for the current traffic.)
Illegal music downloads
Theft (VERY minor-- I once stole a peppermint from a store as a child.)
Illegal use of fireworks.

And others, I'm sure, but those are the ones that immediately come to mind. The theft, of course, was wrong, even if it was only a minor offense, and I agree in principle with speeding laws, but I often think that they get the specific limits wrong.

All the others? Bah. I have no regrets and will probably continue to commit such crimes. I have no moral compulsion against breaking the law itself, only against breaking just laws.

Here there's a difference between "shoplifting" and "theft".

And ooh, fireworks. Dangerous, but cool.


I hope I havent made myself look like a nut-case to anyone

Not really, no.

It's also fucking stupid, especially if the drugs you're dealing with are little white pills.

Torturing animals = good.
Drugs = bad.



I think my IQ just dropped ten points.

A little story I just remembered:

When I was in college, my criminology professor asked us to list the number and type of crimes we had committed, much like what everyone's doing here in this thread, except that it was anonymous and we had a list of crimes to choose from off of a checklist. The purpose was to compare the results of our little self-report study with the data listed in our text and with past classes' results. Kinda fun, right? Well, the fun kinda dies when you have an anonymous rapist in the room, I can tell you. :tongue: Awkward.

A little story I just remembered:

When I was in college, my criminology professor asked us to list the number and type of crimes we had committed, much like what everyone's doing here in this thread, except that it was anonymous and we had a list of crimes to choose from off of a checklist. The purpose was to compare the results of our little self-report study with the data listed in our text and with past classes' results. Kinda fun, right? Well, the fun kinda dies when you have an anonymous rapist in the room, I can tell you. :tongue: Awkward.

Wow. That would ruin the fun.

Oh.
Is adultery actually illegal...?

I don't think it is.

I think my IQ just dropped ten points.

That's your issue then. Where did I say drugs were bad? I said downing your entire supply of drugs in one go is bad. Which it is, for the person taking them.

Is adultery actually illegal...?

In some places, although prosecution for it is extremely rare.

Inspired by the morality/legality thread...

What laws have you broken?

...mmmhhh... speeding (not fined for it), parking without paying the fee (fined for it), driving without having the car's documents in it (fined for it), occupation of public buildings (protests at school, not prosecuted), interruption of public services (protests at school, again, not prosecuted), illegally attaching political posters (the party's local secretary has been fined, but that's standard).

Do you believe that you did anything wrong?Yea. Expecially speeding.
Do you belive the law should exist?Law as an absolute should exist. Some of the laws I've broken are not very reasonable.
What do you think the appropriate punishment should be?Fines work better than anything else for non-violent crimes.

I am shocked the government feels the need in so many countries to dictate when and where people can cross roads, as if the population has no ability to consider the dangers of when is safe or not to do so.

I had to jaywalk to get to this computer.

I don't see how jaywalking is a big deal and why it is illegal. As long as people are safe when crossing the road or walking down the middle of the street, then what is the problem?

Come now, crossing the road is what separates us from the chicken.

Just to watch him die.

Actually I just really didn't like his pants. Seriously, only MC Hammer can pull off parachute pants.


As for what I've actually done, the usual petty crimes, underage drinking, supplying alcohol to minors, a little theft(silly family members, abandoning alcohol around me), trespassing, maybe B&E(it was an abandoned house). Nothing too exciting.

[/I]Wow. Jaywalking is AGAINST THE LAW!!! Dude, it's a daily thing where I live. even on the freakin' main roads. I'm sorry, but living in Indonesia, I sorta had to rofl. Literally.

Well, lets see, anything else...

Smoking: Well, its Shisha, the arabic thing where you suck in smoke from a tube. You can have either tobacco or cannabis with a flavor of your choice! I tried tobacco with honey. lol and my dad was there with me. Yeah i've tried cigarettes, but I just don't like 'em.

Drinking: As a Muslim, it's strictly forbidden, but every New Years i've seem to have gotten a sip of wine or two...

Speeding: I'm only 14 ffs. I was practicing on a parking lot, and went a little to fast. No problem.

Anything else involved with a car: wrong turns, etc. Hey, i'm still practicing :p

Adultry: HOW? I mean, if a 14 year old could do it, then... :eek::eek::eek:

Theft: Actually no, i'm a goodie-good when it comes to dares, and almost always chicken out.

Littering: well duh, who doesn't? (Unless you live in Singapore, the rules there are strict as hell. Can't even chew gum on the street!)

EDIT: The buying off illigal pirated movies is so common that if the rule is enforced in Indonesia 3/4 the nation would have to be arrested (including the President) - and the rest are like living onless than $5 a day

Oh yeah, and pornography and masturbation here are illigal - and are actually enforced. I've actually never done those stuff - it makes me sick whenever anyone mentions it.

yes

still waiting for a few SOLs to run out

My local grocery store used to offer free cookies for kids 10 and under (one cookie per kid). I took two once (only once). Does that count? :(