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Who in here would want to see a Republican Party without the Neocons?

Edit: shit - there was supposed to be a poll with this post, with the question above and Yes/No as the responses. What do I do?

Edit #2: Nevermind, figured it out.

I would.

See, I want the door to hit their asses on the way out.

There is no option for "I don't really care."

I think we need to get rid of political parties all together.

I think we need to get rid of political parties all together.

That would last....a month.


People will always form parties. Even if theyre unofficial.

Though I have a feeling you may not be as exact as I am in defining neoconservatism, I've got to say that if the Republican party is to become a party I could vote for, it needs to remove them as well as the religious fundies. I can deal with Goldwater-type conservatives.

That would last....a month.


People will always form parties. Even if theyre unofficial.

That is fine with me, because of the parties are unofficial than you still do not have the actual unity between those groups, and there will be a much greater tendency for the voters AND the politicians to think for themselves.

I'd like to see the Republicans clean out their corrupt members, regardless of what sub-ideology they claim to subscribe to.

Bribe-takers, influence-peddlers, election-manipulators and the rest need to go. I used to feel that way about the Democrats too, but then I realized it would never happen among them.

I kinda like the German Model, where the people vote directly for the party, and if the party lets them down, they vote it out of office. No excuses, such as "but the Democrats have Nancy Pelosi and she was mean to us!" The reason for the poll is that one of my Republican friends was bitching about how his party was hijacked, so I did the poll. Ike Conservatives - those I can vote for :P

Just create a new party for them - call it the Neo-Con Christian Fundamentalist Republican Asshat Party. As a Republican, I would love to see the insane, extremist fools leave. As a marginally not insane human being, I would love to see the same sort of people leave the Democrats as well. We can't pretend that the Republicans are the country's sole repository of idiots, fools and corrupt bastards, the Democrats have their share.

Neo-Con Christian Fundie Asshat Party.

A better name, or....

Asshat Party.

Just create a new party for them - call it the Neo-Con Christian Fundamentalist Republican Asshat Party. As a Republican, I would love to see the insane, extremist fools leave. As a marginally not insane human being, I would love to see the same sort of people leave the Democrats as well. We can't pretend that the Republicans are the country's sole repository of idiots, fools and corrupt bastards, the Democrats have their share.

NCCF-RAP! Got RAP in the name, we all know how much they hate rap. Those rappers, rapping about stuff on the street. They don't want to know actual voter woes. I'd also throw in the company heads that benefited as a result of Iraq and the Market Meltdown into that party. Then we can all send 'em to... Amsterdam. For a sex change, and then send them, as females to....

NCCF-RAP! Got RAP in the name, we all know how much they hate rap. Those rappers, rapping about stuff on the street. They don't want to know actual voter woes. I'd also throw in the company heads that benefited as a result of Iraq and the Market Meltdown into that party. Then we can all send 'em to... Amsterdam. For a sex change, and then send them, as females to....

You never heard of the Ronald Reagan Rap?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr4vQl8WIss

Yes. Preferably to a wide enough extent that the republican party has a civil war (so to speak) still going on from when they nominate candidates for 2010 until voting occurs.

You never heard of the Ronald Reagan Rap?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr4vQl8WIss

ROFL! Great Rap. But it's not really singing, just kind of a guy who smoked too much pot trying to rap.

i would like to see an HONEST 'loyal opposition'. one the didn't hide behind false pretentions of a morality they wouldn't know from a hole in the ground if it bit them where they sit.

Did I start a poll that everyone agrees on? Is this possible?

Niiiccce!Prefer Gerald Ford break-dancing tho' :)

wait wait wait but without the neocons . . .who would make up the members of the republican party?

Nice dream. The thing is that no matter how hard the party got or gets hit, the leadership remains essentially the same. Same think tank. Even as we speak they're already waiting to continue their adventures when and if the Democrats either ride a continuing downward spiral of the country, or if they fail to mystically repair everything in a few years. They'll be there with a cartoon grin when and if that happens, spouting the same Reaganomics and riling up the same jingoists, perhaps toned down or revised, but essentially the same ideology. They will not soften up with the same leadership running things and may possibly be too weak to attract sufficient people under such pretenses.

No. because you dumb asses are naming the wrong segment of the republican party as neo cons.
the fundies the religious groups are traditional conservatives. Not NEO cons.
Neo cons are basically libertarians that believe in foreign intervention.

No. because you dumb asses are naming the wrong segment of the republican party as neo cons.
the fundies the religious groups are traditional conservatives. Not NEO cons.
Neo cons are basically libertarians that believe in foreign intervention.

We can throw around useless terms all day. The fact is whatever segment was at the helm also deliberately rallied the fundies, so separating them is semantics.

We can throw around useless terms all day. The fact is whatever segment was at the helm also deliberately rallied the fundies, so separating them is semantics.

Bush is not a neo con. bush a traditional conservative.

Though I have a feeling you may not be as exact as I am in defining neoconservatism, I've got to say that if the Republican party is to become a party I could vote for, it needs to remove them as well as the religious fundies. I can deal with Goldwater-type conservatives.

Indeed.

As a marginally not insane human being, I would love to see the same sort of people leave the Democrats as well. We can't pretend that the Republicans are the country's sole repository of idiots, fools and corrupt bastards, the Democrats have their share.

Indeed.

wait wait wait but without the neocons . . .who would make up the members of the republican party?



No. because you dumb asses are naming the wrong segment of the republican party as neo cons.
the fundies the religious groups are traditional conservatives.

Would those be the same fundi Christofascists that Barry "Mister Consevative" Goldwater said should get a good kick in the balls?

Neo cons are basically libertarians that believe in foreign intervention.

LOL - Necons are economically modereates and social authoritarians - not libertarians.

Bush is not a neo con. bush a traditional conservative.

And I'm the easter bunny.

LOL - Necons are economically modereates and social authoritarians - not libertarians.

A neo con is someone like Leo Strauss.
Small government, Atheist(though he was sometimes viewed as a Unitarian), limited morality legislation, and a aggressive foreign policy.


a quote on the matter


Neo-conservatism is a term almost exclusively used by the enemies of America's liberation of Iraq. There is no 'neo-conservative' movement in the United States. When there was one, it was made up of former Democrats who embraced the welfare state but supported Ronald Reagan's Cold War policies against the Soviet bloc. Today 'neo-conservatism' identifies those who believe in an aggressive policy against radical Islam and the global terrorists.

NCCF-RAP!
Or shorter: the Christian Republican Asshat Party, or CRAP!

No. I like my party winning easily, thanks.

I am a neocon. I am also pretty libertarian. I do not like the libertarian peacenik coddle the dictators approach to foreign policy. Thus if Republicans did not want me, where would I go? Anyway, I like the idea of getting the fundies out of our party.

I am a neocon. I am also pretty libertarian. I do not like the libertarian peacenik coddle the dictators approach to foreign policy. Thus if Republicans did not want me, where would I go? Anyway, I like the idea of getting the fundies out of our party.

Connecticut For Lieberman would probably take you.

I've never met a libertarian peacenik coddle the dictators policy supporter, but I suppose that if I did, I wouldn't really like them either.

I'd like to see the Republicans clean out their corrupt members, regardless of what sub-ideology they claim to subscribe to.

Bribe-takers, influence-peddlers, election-manipulators and the rest need to go.

That would effectively end the Republican party, theyd have to kick out all their members.

I used to feel that way about the Democrats too, but then I realized it would never happen among them.

Excuse me, who has been the party thats stolen two elections and regularly gets caught for bribes, gay sex in public places, and writing dirty letters to 15 year olds? Tom Delay anyone?

Really, the cognitive dissonance of the right...

I am a neocon. I am also pretty libertarian. I do not like the libertarian peacenik coddle the dictators approach to foreign policy. Thus if Republicans did not want me, where would I go? Anyway, I like the idea of getting the fundies out of our party.



You just subscribe to the neocon "set up and a fund dictators as long as theyre capitalist or close to it" foreign policy.

Yes. But I'd rather see the Religious Right get the boot - they do more damage.

And I'm the easter bunny.

Heeeey, I'm Santa Claus!:p

But yeah, bush is a Neocon.

Heeeey, I'm Santa Claus!:p

But yeah, bush is a Neocon.

We agree :D

And if Bush is not a Neocon, then Clinton definitely did not have sex with that woman, and he totally smoked but didn't inhale.

No. I like my party winning easily, thanks.

You mean by stealing elections?

Absolutely not. Those with conservative foreign policy views whether they be classic conservative non-interventionists or the newer, more aggressive approach deserve to have a place in the party that in theory at least, represents conservative ideals and goals.

I don't agree with neoconservatism, so I'd be happy to see fewer neocons in high party posts. But I don't really agree with any of the other factions of the party; the neoconservatives leaving is not going to make me more likely to vote Republican.

Also, the Bush Administration is being used as the textbook example of neoconservatism gone wrong, I feel a lot of his mistakes are not neoconservative or any other ideology. Invading Iraq? Neoconservative. Holding prisoners from Iraq without trial for an indefinate amount of time? Eh, that's just evil, and while a neoconservative may be more likely to defend such a measure, it's not a neocon idea.