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So, this isn't anything official, but I stumbled across this article on MSN, about teen girls revealing their sex secrets on Tyra Banks (American model/TV host)web site. Here is what was revealed:

Parents, brace yourselves: The survey results are in, and you may not like what they reveal about girls and sex.

More than 10,000 teenage girls and young women took part in an anonymous survey over the summer on TyraShow.com, the Web site of “The Tyra Banks Show.” Survey questions focused on sexuality, sexually transmitted diseases and teen pregnancy, as well as drinking, drugs and violence among females. Here are some findings from the survey:

* On average, girls are losing their virginity at 15 years of age.
* 14 percent of teens who are having sex say they’re doing it at school.
* 52 percent of survey respondents say they do not use protection when having sex.
* One in three says she fears having a sexually transmitted disease.
* 24 percent of teens with STDs say they still have unprotected sex.
* One in five girls says she wants to be a teen mom.
* About 50 percent acknowledge that they’ve hit someone.
* One out of three teens has tried drugs.

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What surprised me most on the survey is that the girls were so honest, and I think the reason why they were so honest is because the survey was anonymous,” retired model and daytime TV host Tyra Banks told TODAY co-anchor Matt Lauer on Friday. But when some of girls surveyed came onto her show and described their sexual activities, “I was shocked again,” she added. "I don’t think they were trying to be sensational. I really do believe that they were telling the truth.”

Open talk about diseases, pregnancies
On “The Tyra Banks Show” airing Friday, eight girls ranging in age from 14 to 17 discuss the survey findings and share their own personal experiences. Seven of the eight say they are sexually active; of those seven, just one says she uses protection when having sex.

“A lot of the guys, if I didn’t have unprotected sex with them, they would get mad at me and I still wanted that closeness with them,” one girl say during the show. “I was afraid if I didn’t do what they wanted, they wouldn’t be my friend.”

The same girl talks about how she tested positive for chlamydia twice and also contracted genital herpes.

“I’m ashamed that I have it, but it’s something I want other people to be aware of,” she says.

Another girl, a 17-year-old mother of a 7-month-old boy, says she lost her virginity on a school lunch break and deliberately planned her pregnancy by monitoring her menstrual cycle.

“I had helped teach a sex-ed class to a class of freshmen my sophomore year,” she explains. “We taught how … there’s a week [in] the month you are more likely to get pregnant than any other time of the month. I had calculated that out and I decided on two days I was most likely to get pregnant.”

Girls on the show also talk about experimenting with the drugs salvia and Ecstasy and getting into violent fights with other girls.



The article continues here: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/27706917/?GT1=43001

I, personally am not shocked that girls are losing their virginity at such a young age. Although, I do admit I am worried about my own little sister, in that regards. What I am shocked by is how many girls are having sex at school, and how many want to be a teenage mother, along with the fears of STDs, and still doing unprotected sex. I don't think its education's fault. I come from Southern Illinois, and even I had sex education, not abstinence, since I was about 10.

My question is this: As society what do we do about such a problem? Sex isn't bad, and it shouldn't be treated as so. However, the reckless behavior that is being allowed to go on from such early ages surely cannot be healthy for these girls, nor society, in the future. Do we allow them to continue in such behavior, for the sake of freedom, or do we draw a line some where? Where would we even draw a line at?

How are they having sex in school and not getting caught?

was this a self selected survey?

I think that the article and the statistics are probably fairly sensationalist. That said, there does seem to be an issue with communicating both the values of safe sex and smart family planning in our schools these days.

I think that the article and the statistics are probably fairly sensationalist. That said, there does seem to be an issue with communicating both the values of safe sex and smart family planning in our schools these days.


Yes, I admit in the OP that this is nothing official, and it probably is a bit sensationalist. But there is going to be some truth behind whatever is sensationalized.


As far as your last sentence, I might actually agree with this. While I was taught all about the horrors of unprotected sex, there was never any talk about how to plan for families. Perhaps if teens were introduced to this idea, they would more likely think about using safer sex methods.

How are they having sex in school and not getting caught?

depends on who they're having sex with? other students or the faculty?

Also, the girls who want to be teen moms, are they umm... "Special"?

depends on who they're having sex with? other students or the faculty?

Maybe not everyone is a screamer in bed then....

All those girls who say they want to be a teen mom should be put on the next DeLorean bound for the middle ages.

Maybe not everyone is a screamer in bed then....

unless the teach left the thumbtacks out on the desk... again...

Also, the girls who want to be teen moms, are they umm... "Special"?
its pretty common for teen girls to want babies.

most decide that its a bad idea but some dont see a good reason to wait.

All those girls who say they want to be a teen mom should be put on the next DeLorean bound for the middle ages.
Ahem. My mother was only 18 when I was born - not actually intentional as far as I know, but still.

unless the teach left the thumbtacks out on the desk... again...

I dunno though, I can't imagine a teenager not making noise during sex in school. Whether it's be "Oh God Mr. Thurwood!" or "Oh yes Mary, take it all!" Ooorr "Ow, that hurts Andy, go easy on my ass."

Ahem. My mother was only 18 when I was born - not actually intentional as far as I know, but still.

My respect to your mother, then, for raising you, whether or not she was married. My problem is with those girls who seem to romanticize the issue and get all misty-eyed when they think of having a baby, without considering the consequences. A few weeks of serfdom might burn that out of them.

I dunno though, I can't imagine a teenager not making noise during sex in school.
Eh why not just do it behind some bushes where nobody will see you, and try to be a wee bit discreet? Just because you're obviously too loud in bed doesn't mean it's the same case for everyone.

Sex is never something that should be rushed. It disapoints me that kids think they should screw around as much as they can.

My respect to your mother, then, for raising you, whether or not she was married. My problem is with those girls who seem to romanticize the issue and get all misty-eyed when they think of having a baby, without considering the consequences. A few weeks of serfdom might burn that out of them.


I agree. A bit of thoughtfulness on my mother's behalf and I wouldn't be here gracing these forums with my presence.

you mean teenagers do stupid things? you're shitting me.

you mean teenagers do stupid things? you're shitting me.

That's not the point. The point is that so many teens are doing the same exact thing. There is a trend going on, and its not a positive trend. Thus, something needs to be done about it.

Sex is never something that should be rushed. It disapoints me that kids think they should screw around as much as they can.
The whole not using condoms if you have an STI thing is such a débâcle.

The whole not using condoms if you have an STI thing is such a débâcle.

Indeed it is.

was this a self selected survey?Seems to be the case yes; from the OP it sounds like an online survey. So really, it only says something about Tyra Banks' TV and online audience.
Which makes it much less surprising.

I think if, say, the Mythbusters team put a survey on their website, the results would be radically different.

My question is this: As society what do we do about such a problem? Sex isn't bad, and it shouldn't be treated as so. However, the reckless behavior that is being allowed to go on from such early ages surely cannot be healthy for these girls, nor society, in the future. Do we allow them to continue in such behavior, for the sake of freedom, or do we draw a line some where? Where would we even draw a line at?

Before we get too worried about the fabric of society, let's get a little perspective.

Teen pregnancy and teen birth rates are both down significantly from historical highs in the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s. See, e.g., link (http://www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/t990629b.html), pdf (http://www.thenationalcampaign.org/national-data/pdf/birthrates_Dec2007.pdf), link (http://www.faqs.org/childhood/So-Th/Teen-Pregnancy.html).

That's not the point. The point is that so many teens are doing the same exact thing. There is a trend going on, and its not a positive trend. Thus, something needs to be done about it.

There's no 'trend' going on. This is called reality, and it's been happening the whole time. Show me a point in history where teen girls weren't having sex? And the less information they have, the more likely they are to do something they end up regretting.

Sex is never something that should be rushed.I'd agree that starting with sex in a relationship should never be rushed. As for sex itself, it depends. I've been told both sexes appreciate a quicky every now and then. Although I suppose one can argue whether that's rushing it, or just a quicker variation that is likewise not rushed.
Oh, what the fuck do I know anyway; not like i have any experience whatsoever.

I dunno though, I can't imagine a teenager not making noise during sex in school. Whether it's be "Oh God Mr. Thurwood!" or "Oh yes Mary, take it all!" Ooorr "Ow, that hurts Andy, go easy on my ass."

Willy, the list of things you can't imagine is likely a very long one indeed. Trust me -- stay with your fiancee at her stepmother's house overnight and have her get VERY turned on by having to have sex quietly. You'll be able to imagine very little else for a while.

As for the OP, this is not really a new phenomenon. I think that about once every couple of years, another survey is done and the same results show up but with more graphic detail. That's what's so "shocking" is that there's less impetus to cover up one's youthful indiscretions. Teens seeming more likely to be up front and frank about their experiences than they were in the past is the only "trend" I see.

That's not the point. The point is that so many teens are doing the same exact thing. There is a trend going on, and its not a positive trend. Thus, something needs to be done about it.

They were saying the same thing about a trend thirty years ago - if it was true we would be worried about foetuses having sex.

Before we get too worried about the fabric of society, let's get a little perspective.

Teen pregnancy and teen birth rates are both down significantly from historical highs in the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s. See, e.g., link (http://www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/t990629b.html), pdf (http://www.thenationalcampaign.org/national-data/pdf/birthrates_Dec2007.pdf), link (http://www.faqs.org/childhood/So-Th/Teen-Pregnancy.html).

Take in context at the time. Wars were going on. People were having sex before going off to die in WW2, Korea, or Vietnam. Furthermore, a lot of people were teens and married at that point. So a teen pregnancy then is a bit different from now, correct?

There's no 'trend' going on. This is called reality, and it's been happening the whole time. Show me a point in history where teen girls weren't having sex? And the less information they have, the more likely they are to do something they end up regretting.


The big difference is that kids now are much more reckless with the way they are handling the situation. Its one thing if Suzy and Johnny go behind a woodshed and get it on after senior prom, in the 1950s, and a completly different thing when Suzy sleeps with Tony, Troy, Tom, and the football team, without using protection,and under the influence of drugs. I think that is the big difference. There is less control, and more of the "if it feels good, then do it" mentality.

That's not the point. The point is that so many teens are doing the same exact thing. There is a trend going on, and its not a positive trend. Thus, something needs to be done about it.

no there isn't. On the whole, teenage sex is down. Teenage pregnancy is down. STD infections among teenagers is down. There is no trend. There's just kids being kids.

Take in context at the time. Wars were going on. People were having sex before going off to die in WW2, Korea, or Vietnam. Furthermore, a lot of people were teens and married at that point. So a teen pregnancy then is a bit different from now, correct?
No, it's the very same. Person has sex with teenage girl, teenage girl has child.
The big difference is that kids now are much more reckless with the way they are handling the situation. Its one thing if Suzy and Johnny go behind a woodshed and get it on after senior prom, in the 1950s, and a completly different thing when Suzy sleeps with Tony, Troy, Tom, and the football team, without using protection,and under the influence of drugs. I think that is the big difference. There is less control, and more of the "if it feels good, then do it" mentality.
Any statistics to back up your statement?

Take in context at the time. Wars were going on. People were having sex before going off to die in WW2, Korea, or Vietnam. Furthermore, a lot of people were teens and married at that point. So a teen pregnancy then is a bit different from now, correct?




The big difference is that kids now are much more reckless with the way they are handling the situation. Its one thing if Suzy and Johnny go behind a woodshed and get it on after senior prom, in the 1950s, and a completly different thing when Suzy sleeps with Tony, Troy, Tom, and the football team, without using protection,and under the influence of drugs. I think that is the big difference. There is less control, and more of the "if it feels good, then do it" mentality.
when do you think that didnt happen?

i graduated highschool in '75 and it was happening then.

The big difference is that kids now are much more reckless with the way they are handling the situation. Its one thing if Suzy and Johnny go behind a woodshed and get it on after senior prom, in the 1950s, and a completly different thing when Suzy sleeps with Tony, Troy, Tom, and the football team, without using protection,and under the influence of drugs. I think that is the big difference. There is less control, and more of the "if it feels good, then do it" mentality.

why would you presume that's actually happening to any great extent, and, if it is, that it's happening more than any other time in recent history?

The big difference is that kids now are much more reckless with the way they are handling the situation. Its one thing if Suzy and Johnny go behind a woodshed and get it on after senior prom, in the 1950s, and a completly different thing when Suzy sleeps with Tony, Troy, Tom, and the football team, without using protection,and under the influence of drugs. I think that is the big difference. There is less control, and more of the "if it feels good, then do it" mentality.
Suzy may well have had several partners, but things were like that when I was at secondary school (UK, mid 80s) too, and I've not seen or heard anything to make me believe that the situation is any different these days.

Also, where are you getting the "under the influence of drugs"? I don't see any mention of it in the article you linked originally, other than the throwaway line that "Girls on the show also talk about experimenting with the drugs salvia and Ecstasy" which wasn't even linked to the sex angle.

The big difference is that kids now are much more reckless with the way they are handling the situation. Its one thing if Suzy and Johnny go behind a woodshed and get it on after senior prom, in the 1950s, and a completly different thing when Suzy sleeps with Tony, Troy, Tom, and the football team, without using protection,and under the influence of drugs. I think that is the big difference. There is less control, and more of the "if it feels good, then do it" mentality.

There is no 'big difference'.

That's what has always happened. Maybe the drugs are different, maybe the public willingness to talk about it is a little more pronounced, but everything else is exactly as it has always been.

The only difference is - we don't let them (force them to) marry at 12 any more.

People who talk about these 'trends' in history, or about the 'morality of today', or about 'returning to classical values'... have no idea what they are talking about, because they have never actually considered what history really looked like, or tried to find real evidence of the 'golden age of morality' that they are all talking about.

The 'Golden Age of Morality', is a myth. Look at lauded 'moral' agents like C. H. Spurgeon, and then look at the actual history of the times... the epidemic alcoholism, the rampant prostitution, the ubiquitous pornography, the commonplace acceptance of the fact that a man would have a wife AND a mistress, the prevalence and (often fatal) intensity of sexual disease, the sky-high infant mortality...

There is no 'trend' towards teen sexuality, or teen pregnancy.

Can we not all agree that a self-selected, non-random survey conducted on Tyra Banks' website is NOT a representative sample? Let's save our hand wringing for well conducted studies. Of course, there are plenty of those to choose from - but most of those seem to indicate that things are getting better, not worse. So I suppose, for the time being, I'll get my information on teenage sexual activity from the CDC, and not Tyra.

I am strongly aginst Teenage sex but in Brittain there was a huge fight in schools because there where fourms of Contraseption in the bathrooms of the schools! I think that is going to far!
please forgive me for spelling mistakes!

I am strongly aginst Teenage sex but in Brittain there was a huge fight in schools because there where fourms of Contraseption in the bathrooms of the schools! I think that is going to far!
please forgive me for spelling mistakes!

So you'd rather they were screwing without protection?

I am strongly aginst Teenage sex but in Brittain there was a huge fight in schools because there where fourms of Contraseption in the bathrooms of the schools! I think that is going to far!
please forgive me for spelling mistakes!

That is a rather bold statement in more ways than one. I don't remember any huge fight on this. Makes a lot of sense, the problem is them not using contraception not that they are having sex.

Can we not all agree that a self-selected, non-random survey conducted on Tyra Banks' website is NOT a representative sample? Let's save our hand wringing for well conducted studies. Of course, there are plenty of those to choose from - but most of those seem to indicate that things are getting better, not worse. So I suppose, for the time being, I'll get my information on teenage sexual activity from the CDC, and not Tyra.

That's kinda what many of us have been saying, in uor own ways.

Can we not all agree that a self-selected, non-random survey conducted on Tyra Banks' website is NOT a representative sample?It's probably impossible to get all of us to agree on anything. But for what it's worth I agree.

But at least now, if we ask and find out that someone is Tyra Banks fan, we have some indication that (s)he has an above average likelihood of having an STD. ;)

Tyra Banks...

You're taking this as information? Zilam, I thought better of you.

Being a teen, I would think that I would notice all of this rampant sexual activity. Rumors around school and all that.
Sadly, it seems that I am rather out of the loop.
Because I hardly ever hear of anything like this. Damn, I'm out of touch. :p

I am strongly aginst Teenage sex but in Brittain there was a huge fight in schools because there where fourms of Contraseption in the bathrooms of the schools! I think that is going to far!
please forgive me for spelling mistakes!

I haven't seen 'a huge fight in schools'... but then, I didn't see contraceptives in school bathrooms, either.

Maybe not everyone is a screamer in bed then....

Oh they are, but the screaming is rarely investigated. Its because schools are performing their functions so well that students each experience several intellectual orgasms per day, caused by crucially important, life changing knowledge penetrating their skull and filling the brain with the happiness and joy of learning.

Currently there is no easy way to tell the difference between the scream from an intellectual orgasm and an orgasm of the other type. Sending staff round to check each scream would be far too costly in terms of extra staff.

So, the truth is revealed: People who take part in Tyra Banks' surveys are either sluts or pretend to be.

I do believe the virginity figure. I lost mine at 13, and the girl I did it with was 13 as well.

Doing it in school isnt nearly as difficult as it would seem. Auditoriums, libraries, classrooms, the places and opportunities abound.

I haven't seen 'a huge fight in schools'... but then, I didn't see contraceptives in school bathrooms, either.

I'm still marvelling at the Forums in the bathroom thing... :D

Where were are these sexed up lassies when I was younger.

Where were are these sexed up lassies when I was younger.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Lassie.jpg/220px-Lassie.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Lassie.jpg/220px-Lassie.jpg ?

Kids should be having sex in school, that way they can learn not to be lousy lays when they get older.

I'm still marvelling at the Forums in the bathroom thing... :D

Fairly common in English schools. What else is there to do?

;)

Being a teen, I would think that I would notice all of this rampant sexual activity. Rumors around school and all that.
Sadly, it seems that I am rather out of the loop.
Because I hardly ever hear of anything like this. Damn, I'm out of touch. :p
oh hun, you must not take the bus.

it was on an oprah show a couple years ago where it was revealed that ALL the jr high girls were giving out blowjobs on the bus. (well at least the girls who rode the bus)

it puzzles me that as teens start having LESS sex suddenly they are horrifying sluts who are having sex in all sorts of semi-public places. yould think that it had something to do with too many talk shows and ratings sweeps or something....

So, this isn't anything official, but I stumbled across this article on MSN, about teen girls revealing their sex secrets on Tyra Banks (American model/TV host)web site. Here is what was revealed:




The article continues here: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/27706917/?GT1=43001

I, personally am not shocked that girls are losing their virginity at such a young age. Although, I do admit I am worried about my own little sister, in that regards. What I am shocked by is how many girls are having sex at school, and how many want to be a teenage mother, along with the fears of STDs, and still doing unprotected sex. I don't think its education's fault. I come from Southern Illinois, and even I had sex education, not abstinence, since I was about 10.

My question is this: As society what do we do about such a problem? Sex isn't bad, and it shouldn't be treated as so. However, the reckless behavior that is being allowed to go on from such early ages surely cannot be healthy for these girls, nor society, in the future. Do we allow them to continue in such behavior, for the sake of freedom, or do we draw a line some where? Where would we even draw a line at?

Maybe less focus on "abstinence only" as they do in the Bible Belt, and more focus on "safe sex". That, and further, if not mandatory education on STDs, how to prevent them, what their symptoms are, etc. And also maybe some explanation of the responsibilities of being a "teenage mother", as well as the effects of pregnancy and child-rearing on the rest on one's life.

Anyways, I'm not sure how the 50% said they had hit someone is quantified, but if we're talking about malicious/hard strikes against someone, that's kind of saddening. I really don't see the need of people being so violent in schools (if that's how hitting is defined). At the very least, this is far more of an issue than 1/3 trying (trying is the key word) drugs. It's addiction, particularly to hard drugs, that's a real problem. And I wonder if cigarettes are included in the drugs department. Anyways, that's just my thoughts on it.

I used to like Tyra Banks until she started talking so damn much. Seriously, her shows suck.

Still, I graduated from high school a few years ago, and I didn't see any of this. Of course, I was an insufferable nerd back then, but still...

Tyra = evil. Obviously that's the main thing we can deduce from this article.

But seriously, that much sex at school?
I mean, sex before school, sure. Sex off-grounds at lunch time, of course. Lots of sex afterwards too. But wow, maybe it's my single sex schooling, but I could never imagine having sex at school.. I suppose the urge is always there at co-ed schools -- I guess these teens just decided to go for it? Still, I find it pretty crazy.

Ah the Tyra Banks Show. Take a stupid woman and surround her with even stupider people to make her look smart.

Willy, the list of things you can't imagine is likely a very long one indeed. Trust me -- stay with your fiancee at her stepmother's house overnight and have her get VERY turned on by having to have sex quietly. You'll be able to imagine very little else for a while.

I have a fiancee? When the Hell did this happen?

I have a fiancee? When the Hell did this happen?

No, you had a fiancee, now you're married.

Don't you remember? It was that drunken night in Vegas

Seems to be the case yes; from the OP it sounds like an online survey. So really, it only says something about Tyra Banks' TV and online audience.
Which makes it much less surprising.

^This, considering this is the Tyra Banks show and considering the audience that watches this show, I am not surprised at all by these results.

I used to like Tyra Banks until she started talking so damn much. Seriously, her shows suck.

Still, I graduated from high school a few years ago, and I didn't see any of this. Of course, I was an insufferable nerd back then, but still...

I liked her before she started talking so much too.

I graduated from high school a few years ago, and I did see this, as did the nerds, because I thought the nerds were cute.

Well, not sex on schoolground or teenage pregnancy or not using condoms when you have an STI, but the whole teen sex thing, yeah it existed.

oh hun, you must not take the bus.

it was on an oprah show a couple years ago where it was revealed that ALL the jr high girls were giving out blowjobs on the bus. (well at least the girls who rode the bus)

it puzzles me that as teens start having LESS sex suddenly they are horrifying sluts who are having sex in all sorts of semi-public places. yould think that it had something to do with too many talk shows and ratings sweeps or something....I'm don't ride the bus, I drive. :p

I'm don't ride the bus, I drive. :p

See, now there's your problem. It's frustratingly hard to convince a girl to give road head.

See, now there's your problem. It's frustratingly hard to convince a girl to give road head.I wouldn't know, I've never tried.

don't think its education's fault. I come from Southern Illinois, and even I had sex education, not abstinence, since I was about 10.


Oh, well then, your little personal story refutes the mountian of evidence that shows that abstinance only sex education is still very prevelent in the US (and has gotten extra funding from the Bush Administration).:rolleyes:


Anyway, education is the problem. The other one is a lack of accessability to contraceptives.


As to teen girls having consentual sex? Whatever. Its their choice. I dont really care. As to it happening at school, fuck if two students can get away with it, good on them, well done:p

I have a fiancee? When the Hell did this happen?

An example. :rolleyes:

It happened to me, silly.

So, this isn't anything official, but I stumbled across this article on MSN, about teen girls revealing their sex secrets on Tyra Banks (American model/TV host)web site. Here is what was revealed:




The article continues here: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/27706917/?GT1=43001

I, personally am not shocked that girls are losing their virginity at such a young age. Although, I do admit I am worried about my own little sister, in that regards. What I am shocked by is how many girls are having sex at school, and how many want to be a teenage mother, along with the fears of STDs, and still doing unprotected sex. I don't think its education's fault. I come from Southern Illinois, and even I had sex education, not abstinence, since I was about 10.

My question is this: As society what do we do about such a problem? Sex isn't bad, and it shouldn't be treated as so. However, the reckless behavior that is being allowed to go on from such early ages surely cannot be healthy for these girls, nor society, in the future. Do we allow them to continue in such behavior, for the sake of freedom, or do we draw a line some where? Where would we even draw a line at?

The media and pop-culture are to blame.

The media and pop-culture are to blame.

:rolleyes:



Of course they are. Avoid blaming the real problem, and make up boogey-men.

An example. :rolleyes:

It happened to me, silly.

Oh...I thought I was knocked out for two years and someone did a "Weekend with Bernie" with my body and now I'm awake and I'm engaged.

It's not the prerogative of the government to get involved. If the parent considers it important, it's their job to take it up with the child.

It's not the prerogative of the government to get involved. If the parent considers it important, it's their job to take it up with the child.

Agreed.

It's not the prerogative of the government to get involved. If the parent considers it important, it's their job to take it up with the child.

Agreed.


Yeah, no. Considering the fact that there are real social consequences to teen mothers that everyone in society must deal with, it is very much the responsibility of the government to mandate that effective sex education is taught to prevent such occruances. The most effective sex education is the comprehensive kind.

If parents want their kids to remain ignorant of safe sex, thats too damn bad. Society should not have to suffer the consequences of a parent's biblical delusions.

Hiding in your shell like a turtle wont make the problem go away.

:rolleyes:



Of course they are. Avoid blaming the real problem, and make up boogey-men.

Oh yeah well what (according to your wild and rabid imagination) would be the real problem eh?

Yeah, no.

What, you don't trust the parents? Why should government get any more involved in our daily lives than they currently are?

What, you don't trust the parents? Why should government get any more involved in our daily lives than they currently are?

They're parents, it's their job to ensure a proper upbringing of course. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah well what (according to your wild and rabid imagination) would be the real problem eh?

Lack of comprehensive sex education and inadequate access to contraception.

What, you don't trust the parents? Why should government get any more involved in our daily lives than they currently are?

No, I dont trust all parents. See my edit.

Oh yeah well what (according to your wild and rabid imagination) would be the real problem eh?Being a teen, I can tell you that pop-culture means nothing to me. That's just my personal experience, though. The only time I even turn on the TV is to watch UFC with my dad, or to record a movie I might want to watch for later.

I could just be the odd one out, of course.

They're parents, it's their job to ensure a proper upbringing of course. :rolleyes:

See, this is what I find funny. When kids do something dumbassed enough to make the news, we ask "Where the Hell are the parents?". Then we have people like Knights of Liberty who wants government to be responsible for kids....it just seems contradictory to me. Either get the parents more involved in their kids lives, or don't.

You can't have it both ways!

Yeah, no. Considering the fact that there are real social consequences to teen mothers that everyone in society must deal with, it is very much the responsibility of the government to mandate that effective sex education is taught to prevent such occruances. The most effective sex education is the comprehensive kind.

If parents want their kids to remain ignorant of safe sex, thats too damn bad. Society should not have to suffer the consequences of a parent's biblical delusions.

Hiding in your shell like a turtle wont make the problem go away.

You know it just isn't biblical reasons why parents don't talk to their kids about safe sex or any sex for that matter. Some may feel they are to young, some may feel icky when talking about sex to their children.

See, this is what I find funny. When kids do something dumbassed enough to make the news, we ask "Where the Hell are the parents?". Then we have people like Knights of Liberty who wants government to be responsible for kids....it just seems contradictory to me. Either get the parents more involved in their kids lives, or don't.

You can't have it both ways!



:rolleyes:


You have utterly missed the point. When it comes to issues were their are societal costs, it is the roll of the government to mak sure that kids are taught what they need to know to prevent said situation.

Some parents will teach their kids abstinance only education. A very recently famous female politician advocated that approach. Howd that work out for her kids? Now, that family is wealthy, so there isnt an issue. What if they werent? Thats another single mother on welfare. Id imagine you libertarians would be all about having the government take measures that would keep people off social serveces. Single mothers are one of the largest welfare recipiants.

A kid buying a CD with swear words is different from a kid learning about safe sex.

You know it just isn't biblical reasons why parents don't talk to their kids about safe sex or any sex for that matter.

No, but it is the most common.

Some may feel they are to young,

Whats too young? If youre not bright enough to know when you should talk to them, then, yeah, I dont trust you to ever do it.

some may feel icky when talking about sex to their children.

Then they need to grow the fuck up.

Lack of comprehensive sex education and inadequate access to contraception.



No, I dont trust all parents. See my edit.

The problem is that the largest influence on teen lives is unremittingly bombarding our youth with sexual propaganda at an early age. We wouldn't need as much contraception if teenagers weren't being influenced on a massive scale. If pop culture stopped there'll be less teen infidelity which in turn lowers contraception demand.

Also I'd like to see a source for your sex ed claim. Don't worry I have on on standby for my pop culture claim.

No, but it is the most common.

Maybe in America but I suppose.

Whats too young? If youre not bright enough to know when you should talk to them, then, yeah, I dont trust you to ever do it.

Don't ask me what is to young maybe 6. I'm not saying I disagree with you but there are parents like that. I remember one girl I went to school with who was taken out of the class when we were discussing Sex Ed for that reason, it meant she also missed out on the last few weeks of Year 8 science, but that was the reason. Of course what her mum didn't know was that she was sexually active already :tongue:

Then they need to grow the fuck up.

Well yes they should or they could just leave it to the government. But there are other reason other than because they believe that kids shouldn't have sex before marriage

The problem is that the largest influence on teen lives is unremittingly bombarding our youth with sexual propaganda at an early age. We wouldn't need as much contraception if teenagers weren't being influenced on a massive scale. If pop culture stopped there'll be less teen infidelity which in turn lowers contraception demand.

Also I'd like to see a source for your sex ed claim. Don't worry I have on on standby for my pop culture claim.

Um, infidelity doesn't cause you to need more contraception. Contraception is to avert pregnancy, no matter if just one guy or thirty are shooting their loads inside you.

The problem is that the largest influence on teen lives is unremittingly bombarding our youth with sexual propaganda at an early age. We wouldn't need as much contraception if teenagers weren't being influenced on a massive scale. If pop culture stopped there'll be less teen infidelity which in turn lowers contraception demand.

Really? Pop culture is the only reason kid want to fuck? Care to prove it? Because kids have been fucking long before there was the "immoral" mainstream media.

Also I'd like to see a source for your sex ed claim. Don't worry I have on on standby for my pop culture claim.

Source for which claim?

That abstinance only sex ed does jack?
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Sex/story?id=3048738
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/67979.php

Or that its still very common?
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/issues-action/sex-education/abstinence-6236.htm

None of these were hard to find. A quick google search revelead these as the first four options. You have no excuse other than willful ignorance or ideological bias not to know this. Or both. I wonder what your excuse is. I have an idea.

And Id like to see yours.

Then they need to grow the fuck up.

Indeed. It's an inevitable part of being a parent.

And, like yourself, I don't trust all parents to be responsible. Since for some, being irresponsible might be why they have kids in the first place.

:rolleyes:


You have utterly missed the point. When it comes to issues were their are societal costs, it is the roll of the government to mak sure that kids are taught what they need to know to prevent said situation.

Some parents will teach their kids abstinance only education. A very recently famous female politician advocated that approach. Howd that work out for her kids? Now, that family is wealthy, so there isnt an issue. What if they werent? Thats another single mother on welfare. Id imagine you libertarians would be all about having the government take measures that would keep people off social serveces. Single mothers are one of the largest welfare recipiants.

A kid buying a CD with swear words is different from a kid learning about safe sex.

You either trust the parents to raise their own children, or you don't. You can't pick and choose.

Really? Pop culture is the only reason kid want to fuck? Care to prove it? Because kids have been fucking long before there was the "immoral" mainstream media.


Agree with this also.

There are millions of years of evolution driving teenagers to fuck.

Um, infidelity doesn't cause you to need more contraception. Contraception is to avert pregnancy, no matter if just one guy or thirty are shooting their loads inside you.

When more people surrender to the urge more people need contraception. Heck more people need protection in general because STDs are also a key concern.

You can't pick and choose.

Who the fuck says I cant? Wilgrove?


Sorry, not buying it. In instances were parents making piss poor decisions wont cause huge societal costs, I may not trust them but I dont care enough to loose any sleep over it.


Instances such as this, were society has to pay for the parents fuck ups, you damn well better believe I think the government should be picking up the parents slack.

When more people surrender to the urge more people need contraception. Heck more people need protection in general because STDs are also a key concern.

"More people surrender to the urge"?


Whats wrong with that? What are we, monks?

When more people surrender to the urge more people need contraception. Heck more people need protection in general because STDs are also a key concern.

How is this related to infidelity? A girl doesn't need more contraception if she's fucking more than one guy.

Wait, you have no idea how OBC works, do you?

Wait, you have no idea how OBC works, do you?

Among other things, it seems.

Wait, you have no idea how OBC works, do you?

OBC???

Oceania Badminton Confederation, a governing body of badminton in Oceania
Officer Basic Course, the U.S. Army's initial training for officers
Old Boys Club, an on-line gaming community
Old Baseball Cards, an on-line sportscard collecting community
Olympiacos Basketball Club, a Greek basketball club widely known as
On Board Computer
Ontario Building Code
Order of British Columbia (Canadian decoration post-nominal letters)
Organic and Biomolecular Chemistry, a fortnightly journal of organic and biomolecular chemistry published by the Royal Society of Chemistry
Oriental Bank of Commerce
Oriental Bird Club
Original Broadway Cast
Ormond-By-The-Sea
Osaka Broadcasting Corporation (Radio Osaka)
Other Backward Class in India's caste system.
Ottmar Beckman Cars AB

snip playing dumb

The term relevant to this thread... oral birth control... if basic reading comprehension is not your forte, I can't help you there.

Really? Pop culture is the only reason kid want to fuck? Care to prove it? Because kids have been fucking long before there was the "immoral" mainstream media.



Source for which claim?

That abstinance only sex ed does jack?
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Sex/story?id=3048738
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/67979.php

Or that its still very common?
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/issues-action/sex-education/abstinence-6236.htm

None of these were hard to find. A quick google search revelead these as the first four options. You have no excuse other than willful ignorance or ideological bias not to know this. Or both. I wonder what your excuse is. I have an idea.

And Id like to see yours.

Here we go (http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/teens/media_influence_on_youth.htm)
Yup, the media does influence teen behavior (http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13988151)
Want more? (http://www.saviodsilva.net/r/xs53.htm)
#4 want s'more? (http://teammag.free.fr/Influence.html)
source #5 (http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/117/4/1018)
#6 (http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P3-217552421.html)

Many proffessionals agree that media influence and pop culture are a key problem.
What good will protection do if all the influenced teens want to get on? It'll raise the demand of protection that is already in short supply, that's what.

Here we go (http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/teens/media_influence_on_youth.htm)
Yup, the media does influence teen behavior (http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13988151)
Here's #4, need s'more? (http://www.saviodsilva.net/r/xs53.htm)

Oh boy, a source war.

The term relevant to this thread... oral birth control... if basic reading comprehension is not your forte, I can't help you there.

It was a legitimate question, though the rest wasn't. While I have heard of the term oral birth control and "the pill" before I had not heard it referred to as OBC.

Nothing on mine eh? Ready to admit your ignorance about the "effectiveness" of abstinance only sex ed?

Here we go (http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/teens/media_influence_on_youth.htm)

I never said the media didnt influence behavior. However, its not the big bad boogey man the right wants to pretend it is. In fact, there are worse culprits.

In source:

Three out of four teens say ‘TV shows and movies make it seem normal for teenagers to have sex.

Because it is.

Young teens (ages 13-15) rank entertainment media as the top source of information about sexuality and sexual health

Four out of ten teenagers say they have gotten ideas for how to talk to their boyfriends and girlfriends about sexual issues from the entertainment media.

Which if anything speaks worse about the sex ed system we have.

The American Psychological Association estimates that teens are exposed to 14,000 sexual references & innuendos per year on TV.

A recent report from the Center for Media & Public Affairs found music videos to contain more sex per minute than any competing media genre.

A study of 4,294 network television commercials found that nearly one in 4 commercials includes some type of sexual attractiveness as a base for the message.


Sex sells. This is hardly news. Or relevent. In fact, if sex sells, it means tha humans, especially teens, are predisposed to be drawn toward sex. Its human nature. Not the big bad media programing them to like sex.

Young teens (13-15) indicate that a major source of sex education is from tv. "

Again, this is because our sex ed system is so piss poor.

Your other sources all say the same things I have mentioned above.

Oh boy, a source war.

His sources dont even refute mine. Because you cant refute them, or my claim. The evidence is simply overwhelmingly on my side.

"More people surrender to the urge"?


Whats wrong with that? What are we, monks?

If more people exercised self control our society wouldn't be plagued by the issues mentioned in the OP.

The problem is that the largest influence on teen lives is unremittingly bombarding our youth with sexual propaganda at an early age.

I disagree with that. While I think the sexualisation of children is a problem, it's not Chingy singing about booty that's the biggest problem. I believe that children, particularly young girls, are being targeted by companies because every child wants to grow up, and they can capitalise on that. Companies can capitalise on size XXS T-shirts that say "These are real" or Bratz doll who wear mini skirts. However, even though kids are being targeted to buy products, the only reason why it works is because kids want to grow up in the first place. 13 year old boys and girls want to experiment, and no amount of media saturation or "sexual propaganda" is going to change the simple facts of puperty. Sure, it may expose them to things they didn't know about before; sure, it might teach them sex is "cool"; but honestly, I wouldn't go so far as to say that this:


We wouldn't need as much contraception if teenagers weren't being influenced on a massive scale. If pop culture stopped there'll be less teen infidelity which in turn lowers contraception demand.

I mean, seriously, what?

1. The contraceptive pill is taken once a day, no matter how many people you screw.
2. Isn't it good if they use more condoms than not using any at all?
3. Since when is the problem teen infidelity? Isn't the issue that teenagers are having sex? And even if they are cheating, see point 2.
4. I'm pretty sure that pop culture can't stop. There will always be fashions, there will always be trends. Take the corset, for example. Everyone craps on about how the pressure to be "perfect" is new: It's not new. It's just different.
5. Less TV won't mean less sex.
6. What is WRONG with a demand for contraception?

etc. etc.



Maybe in America but I suppose.
That's what I was thinking.



Don't ask me what is to young maybe 6. I'm not saying I disagree with you but there are parents like that. I remember one girl I went to school with who was taken out of the class when we were discussing Sex Ed for that reason, it meant she also missed out on the last few weeks of Year 8 science, but that was the reason. Of course what her mum didn't know was that she was sexually active already :tongue:


Lol, parents are so blind.

If more people exercised self control our society wouldn't be plagued by the issues mentioned in the OP.

Why should they have to? Why should they give up personal pleasur because it makes moralists squemish?

Kids are going to fuck. At least teach them and allow them to be safe about it.

The evidence is on my side. You can argue from ignorance and flat out wrongness all you want. It wont change anything.

That's what I was thinking.




Ok, give me the main reason magical non-American parents dont teach their kids about safe sex?

Its either Jesus-centric reasoning or squemishness*. Just like it is in the states. How do I know? Humans are the same everywhere, no matter which lines on a map youre born into.


*- Saying thats the reasoning for "most of them" may have been hyperbole on my part.

If that media influence wasn't there the sex ed might have gone somewhere.

See what sex it? Thats the point. The sex ed in the US tends to suck. Which is why we tend to have 3 times or more teen pregnencies and STD infections than other first world countries.


Now, either their media isnt as "sexy", or they teach comprehensive sex ed and have easier access to contraceptives.


Which do you think it is? Because I know the answer.


Im going to bed. Ill be back tomorrow.

I disagree with that. While I think the sexualisation of children is a problem, it's not Chingy singing about booty that's the biggest problem. I believe that children, particularly young girls, are being targeted by companies because every child wants to grow up, and they can capitalise on that. Companies can capitalise on size XXS T-shirts that say "These are real" or Bratz doll who wear mini skirts. However, even though kids are being targeted to buy products, the only reason why it works is because kids want to grow up in the first place. 13 year old boys and girls want to experiment, and no amount of media saturation or "sexual propaganda" is going to change the simple facts of puperty. Sure, it may expose them to things they didn't know about before; sure, it might teach them sex is "cool"; but honestly, I wouldn't go so far as to say that this:



I mean, seriously, what?

1. The contraceptive pill is taken once a day, no matter how many people you screw.
2. Isn't it good if they use more condoms than not using any at all?
3. Since when is the problem teen infidelity? Isn't the issue that teenagers are having sex? And even if they are cheating, see point 2.
4. I'm pretty sure that pop culture can't stop. There will always be fashions, there will always be trends. Take the corset, for example. Everyone craps on about how the pressure to be "perfect" is new: It's not new. It's just different.
5. Less TV won't mean less sex.
6. What is WRONG with a demand for contraception?

etc. etc.




That's what I was thinking.





Lol, parents are so blind.

All kids want to be cool right?

5) Less negative influences will result in less premature sex
6) if the demand is high accessibility becomes low because of prices and lower supply.

Ok, give me the main reason magical non-American parents dont teach their kids about safe sex?

Its either Jesus-centric reasoning or squemishness*. Just like it is in the states. How do I know? Humans are the same everywhere, no matter which lines on a map youre born into.


*- Saying thats the reasoning for "most of them" may have been hyperbole on my part.

You're always so fighsty.

I think that in Australia, less (not but not SIGNIFICANTLY) less people are Christian. Or at least, they are more relaxed with their religion.

I think you find that people here don't teach their kids about sex for the following reasons:
They feel they're too "young". Or
It's an akward discussion.

Of course many parents would also hold the belief that sex should be saved until marriage, even those who aren't Christian.

I just think that here, in Australia, there is slightly less hype over the issue.

I think I got my sexual information from magazines, friends and school science/health classes, although at school I already knew most of the stuff.

All kids want to be cool right?

5) Less negative influences will result in less premature sex

Different outside influences won't stop natural urges.

6) if the demand is high accessibility becomes low because of prices and lower supply.

What? Commas, please.

Different outside influences won't stop natural urges.



What? Commas, please.

My point is influences can effect how one chooses to react to said urges. One who is exposed to sexual propaganda is less likely to suppress the urge and move on.

I don't think that is a particularly bad thing to have sex, nor do I think parenthood is a bad thing. I do think that many teenagers have unprotected sex because they are either poorly educated on the subject of using contraception. Another problem being that many parents refuse to give their children access to contraceptives with the misled belief that their teenagers will just not have sex.

Stupid stupid parents.

All kids want to be cool right?

5) Less negative influences will result in less premature sex
6) if the demand is high accessibility becomes low because of prices and lower supply.

5) Right. That's how Bristol Palin (and many other boys and girls across the nation who are shielded) got knocked up. All those negative influences. Like church. :rolleyes:

6) What? If demand is high, accessibility becomes low because the price goes up? How does that change accessibility? Those with money will still spend it. It will price a certain segment out, but certainly not everyone.

My point is influences can effect how one chooses to react to said urges. One who is exposed to sexual propaganda is less likely to suppress the urge and move on.

Meanwhile, sheltering kids doesn't seem to stop them from having sex. In fact, those who aren't taught anything are more likely to act irresponsibly about sex because they don't know any better. Given the choice between safER sex and wholly UNsafe practices, I'll chose the former.

Meanwhile, sheltering kids doesn't seem to stop them from having sex. In fact, those who aren't taught anything are more likely to act irresponsibly about sex because they don't know any better. Given the choice between safER sex and wholly UNsafe practices, I'll chose the former.

Thats where the sex ed comes in. ;)

5) Right. That's how Bristol Palin (and many other boys and girls across the nation who are shielded) got knocked up. All those negative influences. Like church.

Source?

6) What? If demand is high, accessibility becomes low because the price goes up? How does that change accessibility? Those with money will still spend it. It will price a certain segment out, but certainly not everyone.

Less people will be able to afford it as prices rise.

Thats where the sex ed comes in. ;)



Less people will be able to afford it as prices rise.

I don't think so. Less POOR people will be able to afford it.

As for your first sentence, you seem to be opposed to such education. If you're opposed to the "sex sells" trope, then I have to ask: why do you hate freedom and capitalism?

As an aside:

Is anyone but me sick to death of the damned "IMVU" banner ads? "Live the lifestyle you've always dreamed of"? Really? I've always dreamed of fapping to poorly-animated and badly-rendered 3D gangsta bitches simulating a faux-lesbian scene? Who are those ads FOR?

I don't think so. Less POOR people will be able to afford it.

As for your first sentence, you seem to be opposed to such education. If you're opposed to the "sex sells" trope, then I have to ask: why do you hate freedom and capitalism?

Exactly, less poor people will afford it, poor people are people do. It looks like the proper protection is not accessible to them.

LOL blatant liberal word twist. AAHAHAHAHAH *takes breath* ahahahaha wait were you being serious???

Freedom and capitalism were originally meant to be beneficial, somehow I find the "sex sells" trope detrimental to the health of America's posterity and happiness. Maybe it's because a bunch of kids feel inadequate because of corporate propaganda that makes them sex beasts at an early age.

Ok, give me the main reason magical non-American parents dont teach their kids about safe sex?

Its either Jesus-centric reasoning or squemishness*. Just like it is in the states. How do I know? Humans are the same everywhere, no matter which lines on a map youre born into.


*- Saying thats the reasoning for "most of them" may have been hyperbole on my part.

Yes, it was hyperbole. Now I know what you are going to say and there may be some basis to it but both me and AP are in Australia, and religion does not play as large a role on society as in America, and there is not the same religious overtone to people's decisions, after all only about 15% of the population goes to church once a week unlike in the US where it is closer to 60%. Now some will be based on religion, some will be based on squemishness, some will be based because they don't think they are old enough yet and some will be on some other reasons.

Exactly, less poor people will afford it, poor people are people do. It looks like the proper protection is not accessible to them.

LOL blatant liberal word twist. AAHAHAHAHAH *takes breath* ahahahaha wait were you being serious???

Freedom and capitalism were originally meant to be beneficial, somehow I find the "sex sells" trope detrimental to the health of America's posterity and happiness. Maybe it's because a bunch of kids feel inadequate because of corporate propaganda that makes them sex beasts at an early age.

Liberal? Who runs the corporations using that tactic? They sure as hell aren't liberals. If a kid is that vulnerable to a damned TV ad, the kid was too soft to begin with and not parented with anything resembling adequate attention. Now can you continue the debate without the histrionics?

Proper protection is available FREE in many places, some schools, even. Certainly at Planned Parenthood offices -- the ones not yet bombed, anyway. Protection and information do not cost much at all. It's a matter of making them available to those who are looking to get busy regardless of abstinence pledges and other lectures.

I applaud these teenagers for making decisions for themselves.

First, a few points of order:

Throughout history, girls typically married and started having families at about the age these girls are having sex, and some are trying to get pregnant. The one big difference is that these girls don't see a need to get married or be financially stable before they have children. A century ago, the typical American girl lost her virginity by age 15 - because that was the age at which the typical American girl would marry.

There has been a prolonged campaign of infantilization, and this is one reason why so many adults today do not know how to act as adults. However, in spite of that campaign, boys and girls remain the biological creatures that they are, and continue to resist in some arenas. Unfortunately, they now do so without much assistance from adults, first because such assistance is frowned on or even illegal, and second because the adults themselves are frequently not grown up.

It should also be noted that self-selected online surveys like this may not be reliable, but childhood sexuality is a simple fact, confirmed by multiple observations and studies. The fact that many adults cannot cope with this says more about those adults than it does about children or teenagers who are simply being themselves.

I applaud these teenagers for making decisions for themselves.

First, a few points of order:

Throughout history, girls typically married and started having families at about the age these girls are having sex, and some are trying to get pregnant. The one big difference is that these girls don't see a need to get married or be financially stable before they have children. A century ago, the typical American girl lost her virginity by age 15 - because that was the age at which the typical American girl would marry.

There has been a prolonged campaign of infantilization, and this is one reason why so many adults today do not know how to act as adults. However, in spite of that campaign, boys and girls remain the biological creatures that they are, and continue to resist in some arenas. Unfortunately, they now do so without much assistance from adults, first because such assistance is frowned on or even illegal, and second because the adults themselves are frequently not grown up.

It should also be noted that self-selected online surveys like this may not be reliable, but childhood sexuality is a simple fact, confirmed by multiple observations and studies. The fact that many adults cannot cope with this says more about those adults than it does about children or teenagers who are simply being themselves.

Excellent point. The extension of adolescence until what sometimes seems to be age 25 or later is indeed part of this equation.

It was a legitimate question, though the rest wasn't. While I have heard of the term oral birth control and "the pill" before I had not heard it referred to as OBC.

All right, fair enough.

My point is influences can effect how one chooses to react to said urges. One who is exposed to sexual propaganda is less likely to suppress the urge and move on.

Why does one need to SUPPRESS the urge?
Sex feels GOOD.

OBC???


I know, I was confused too.

Teenagers do stupid things because they're allowed to in this society. Sometime in the middle of the last century there was this new social status constructed between childhood and adulthood and given a lot of coddling and licenses to be indulgent skids. We need to go back to the simple child/adult way of thinking. And no, don't jump on my ass about backwards thinking, or something of the sort, as I've seen happen with this opinion. I completely welcome progressive thinking, this is just one of those exceptions where the past had it more right.

Why does one need to SUPPRESS the urge?
Sex feels GOOD.So if you have the urge to do something that feels good you should just do it? Sounds like a bit of a careless statement; considering for example that plenty of people like hurting people.
And it's not like sex is always without harm; especially with teen age girls afraid to tell their boyfriends they're not in a porn-movie and that what they're doing hurts like hell in real life. The sexual arena is, unfortunately, not always a fair playing field. Some restraint would do them the world of good. But I'll grant you that channeling and controlling the urge, rather than suppressing it outright, is probably the better way to deal with it.

Really? Pop culture is the only reason kid want to fuck? Care to prove it? Because kids have been fucking long before there was the "immoral" mainstream media.



Source for which claim?

That abstinance only sex ed does jack?
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Sex/story?id=3048738
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/67979.php

Or that its still very common?
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/issues-action/sex-education/abstinence-6236.htm

None of these were hard to find. A quick google search revelead these as the first four options. You have no excuse other than willful ignorance or ideological bias not to know this. Or both. I wonder what your excuse is. I have an idea.

And Id like to see yours.

What an appropriate thread for "I'll show you mine if you show me yours". :p

That's how Bristol Palin (and many other boys and girls across the nation who are shielded) got knocked up. I feel especially sorry for all those boys that got knocked up.

So if you have the urge to do something that feels good you should just do it? Sounds like a bit of a careless statement; considering for example that plenty of people like hurting people.
And it's not like sex is always without harm; especially with teen age girls afraid to tell their boyfriends they're not in a porn-movie and that what they're doing hurts like hell in real life. The sexual arena is, unfortunately, not always a fair playing field. Some restraint would do them the world of good. But I'll grant you that channeling and controlling the urge, rather than suppressing it outright, is probably the better way to deal with it.

Uh, no, because my statement was NOT "if it feels good, do it", so don't you dare twist my words.

And considering that I have been the victim of said "harm", I think I'd know a thing or to about it.

Consentual sex itself is without harm. However, if a boy or man chooses to behave in a harmful way, it's an entirely different matter.

Restraint is not the issue here. In fact, MORE education about sex and safe sexual practices would improve the problems.

Restraint is not the issue here. In fact, MORE education about sex and safe sexual practices would improve the problems.

The parents should be educated too while we are at it. As I said earlier a lot of kids (teenagers.. whatever) don't use protection because their parents forbid them to have it. In some areas (take mine for instance) anyone under the age of 18 is not allowed to procure condoms, birth control pills, and things like that without parental consent. Its totally asinine I know, taking the choice of using birth control away form kids is not going to stop them from fucking... hell is don't stop us adults from fucking...

The parents should be educated too while we are at it. As I said earlier a lot of kids (teenagers.. whatever) don't use protection because their parents forbid them to have it. In some areas (take mine for instance) anyone under the age of 18 is not allowed to procure condoms, birth control pills, and things like that without parental consent. Its totally asinine I know, taking the choice of using birth control away form kids is not going to stop them from fucking... hell is don't stop us adults from fucking...

Wow, what a shitty place to live. Here it's 16, but I vaguely recall having birth control before age 16. I also remember buying condoms well before I was 16. I think the chemists have some sort of 'don't ask' think going on.

Teenagers do stupid things because they're allowed to in this society. Sometime in the middle of the last century there was this new social status constructed between childhood and adulthood and given a lot of coddling and licenses to be indulgent skids. We need to go back to the simple child/adult way of thinking. And no, don't jump on my ass about backwards thinking, or something of the sort, as I've seen happen with this opinion. I completely welcome progressive thinking, this is just one of those exceptions where the past had it more right.

Oh, considering that you've already aknowlegded you're "backwards", it saves me informing you.

Wow, what a shitty place to live. Here it's 16, but I vaguely recall having birth control before age 16. I also remember buying condoms well before I was 16. I think the chemists have some sort of 'don't ask' think going on.

Town ordinance. I am actually considering getting involved in local politics... first I'd go to the school board and work on getting rid of stupid things like the bans on certain novels: Lord of the Rings Trilogy because its to violent, Moby Dick (same reason), and Johnny Got his Gun because it depicts a rape. (yes this is true).

Then perhaps city council where I would work to get rid of stupid ordinances like the mentioned ones. Since 16 is the legal age of consent, and 14 is the parental age of consent, I would work to have the law removed and just go with the state law.

Town ordinance. I am actually considering getting involved in local politics... first I'd go to the school board and work on getting rid of stupid things like the bans on certain novels: Lord of the Rings Trilogy because its to violent, Moby Dick (same reason), and Johnny Got his Gun because it depicts a rape. (yes this is true).

Then perhaps city council where I would work to get rid of stupid ordinances like the mentioned ones. Since 16 is the legal age of consent, and 14 is the parental age of consent, I would work to have the law removed and just go with the state law.

You live in hickville! ;)

You live in hickville! ;)

Its usually called Tool City by us, or Tree City... I have been known to call it The Festering Pits of Hell's Outhouse on occasion... but its MY town and I love the people here.

Oh, considering that you've already aknowlegded you're "backwards", it saves me informing you.

Thanks for the redundant and knee-jerk response. Such rare gems, those.

How come nobody's having sex in my school?

The problem is that Americans are so screwed up about sex that teens don't get proper sex education. There is such a blind eye turned towards childhood sexuality. Most adults seem to force themselves to believe that kids don't have sexual thoughts or urges until they hit 18. That leaves kids woefully ignorant when it comes to real sexual issues.

Sex Ed today is mostly a clinical exercise - sperm goes to egg, you'll grow hair here, make sure you wash properly, etc. Real situations rarely get addressed because of the reluctance of teachers to answer and the reluctance of students to ask.

Hell, look back just a few years ago to what happened to Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders. She was practically crucified for suggesting we teach kids how to masturbate. Again, the refusal of our society to accept that kids are sexual beings. No, instead there was talk of 'corrupting' our youth, etc. ad nauseum.

Teens who are lucky enough to receive proper sex ed, likely in the home, are those who don't have to worry about STDs and teen pregnancy, but how many kids these days are lucky enough to have parents like that? Kids need to be allowed to ask any question they want about sex, and have it answered. They need to be provided contraception and condoms to prevent STDs upon request, again without fear of reprisal. And maybe we oughta hire Joycelyn Elders back so she can teach these kids that you don't necessarily have to get together with someone else to take care of these new urges.

How come nobody's having sex in my school?

because your from Finland and all the kids are perfect little angels?

The problem is that Americans are so screwed up about sex that teens don't get proper sex education. There is such a blind eye turned towards childhood sexuality. Most adults seem to force themselves to believe that kids don't have sexual thoughts or urges until they hit 18. That leaves kids woefully ignorant when it comes to real sexual issues.

Sex Ed today is mostly a clinical exercise - sperm goes to egg, you'll grow hair here, make sure you wash properly, etc. Real situations rarely get addressed because of the reluctance of teachers to answer and the reluctance of students to ask.

Hell, look back just a few years ago to what happened to Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders. She was practically crucified for suggesting we teach kids how to masturbate. Again, the refusal of our society to accept that kids are sexual beings. No, instead there was talk of 'corrupting' our youth, etc. ad nauseum.

Teens who are lucky enough to receive proper sex ed, likely in the home, are those who don't have to worry about STDs and teen pregnancy, but how many kids these days are lucky enough to have parents like that? Kids need to be allowed to ask any question they want about sex, and have it answered. They need to be provided contraception and condoms to prevent STDs upon request, again without fear of reprisal. And maybe we oughta hire Joycelyn Elders back so she can teach these kids that you don't necessarily have to get together with someone else to take care of these new urges.

Yes, yes, and yes.

Wow, what a shitty place to live. Here it's 16, but I vaguely recall having birth control before age 16. I also remember buying condoms well before I was 16. I think the chemists have some sort of 'don't ask' think going on.

Well when the bathrooms have them it is hard to stop kids buying them. Though a few of the boys brought them and decided to use them as ballons one school camp.

How come nobody's having sex in my school?

You should look harder. Or maybe because you're school isn't full of the type of people that watch the Tyra Banks show.

You should look harder. Or maybe because you're school isn't full of the type of people that watch the Tyra Banks show.

And on that Tarya Banks show, hands up how many people consider the numbers skewed on the basis that teenagers lie about their sexual adventures?

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And on that Tarya Banks show, hands up how many people consider the numbers skewed on the basis that teenagers lie about their sexual adventures?

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*Hands up*

And on that Tarya Banks show, hands up how many people consider the numbers skewed on the basis that teenagers lie about their sexual adventures?

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*Hands up*

My respect to your mother, then, for raising you, whether or not she was married. My problem is with those girls who seem to romanticize the issue and get all misty-eyed when they think of having a baby, without considering the consequences. A few weeks of serfdom might burn that out of them.

I love the part about the remedial effect of serfdom.

I think Tootopia's mom was too young.

My wife and I saw that Tyra show. We never watch that show but it was on when we happened to be watching TV. I was amazed about the sex in school part. It seemed that they did it after school. I had friends who wanted to do it in school when I was in high school. They did it. My gf and I decided to one up them and did it in the police station.

All those girls who say they want to be a teen mom should be put on the next DeLorean bound for the middle ages.

I concur. Our population is already far too large as it is, without bringing more suffering souls into the equation. What in HELL is wrong with these girls?

I concur. Our population is already far too large as it is, without bringing more suffering souls into the equation. What in HELL is wrong with these girls?
they are naive?

because your from Finland and all the kids are perfect little angels?

Perfect little angels? Ha! Most kids there swear 25-50% of the time. Fights there are about 15% of the time. Bullying is prevalent, and they pick on me, cause they see me as weak. But, next year it's Defendo time!

You should look harder. Or maybe because you're school isn't full of the type of people that watch the Tyra Banks show.

Only shown on Pay-per-view channels.

they are naive?

Optimistic romanticists.

Optimistic romanticists.
pretty much.

Perfect little angels? Ha! Most kids there swear 25-50% of the time. Fights there are about 15% of the time. Bullying is prevalent, and they pick on me, cause they see me as weak. But, next year it's Defendo time!

Yes, perfect little angels. No stabbings, or shootings (according to you of either type!) that means they are just perfect.

What is wrong with 14-15 year old's having sex? I would remind anyone here that just 200 years ago they would have been considered adults. There was a time when 30 was considered a ripe old age.

we all mature at different rates and as long as these children have been educated into using contraception properly and are not being exploited by older people or pressured into sex then how can experimentation really be that bad, It's just part of growing up.

Its on education about sex that societies fail so badly and because few young adults actually understand much about sex that so many of them have it just out of curiosity.

I mean the science behind it is explained but often contraception (beyond abstinence) and actually how to do it is ignored.

What is wrong with 14-15 year old's having sex? I would remind anyone here that just 200 years ago they would have been considered adults. There was a time when 30 was considered a ripe old age.

we all mature at different rates and as long as these children have been educated into using contraception properly and are not being exploited by older people or pressured into sex then how can experimentation really be that bad, It's just part of growing up.

Its on education about sex that societies fail so badly and because few young adults actually understand much about sex that so many of them have it just out of curiosity.

As I said in a previous thread.. can we please keep him?

As I said in a previous thread.. can we please keep him?

I don't plan on going anywhere, just on spreading my horrible liberal socialist democratic leaning anti everything views lmao

I don't want any, thanks.

Teen sex, I mean. It's not like we were any good at it then. Well, compared to now.

no we weren't but we all had to learn how to have sex at some point in life, why not when we are learning how to cope with other adult aspects of life as well.

Teenagers do stupid things because they're allowed to in this society. Sometime in the middle of the last century there was this new social status constructed between childhood and adulthood and given a lot of coddling and licenses to be indulgent skids. We need to go back to the simple child/adult way of thinking. And no, don't jump on my ass about backwards thinking, or something of the sort, as I've seen happen with this opinion. I completely welcome progressive thinking, this is just one of those exceptions where the past had it more right.

In what way did older generations have it right?

And ae we going to ignore the mountians of psychological and neurological evidence that says, yes, teenagers are different from both kids and adults and might not have fully developed brains?

On this issue you are backwards, no matter how much you like to pretend youre not.

Then they need to grow the fuck up.

Ninja.

The problem is that the largest influence on teen lives is unremittingly bombarding our youth with sexual propaganda at an early age. We wouldn't need as much contraception if teenagers weren't being influenced on a massive scale. If pop culture stopped there'll be less teen infidelity which in turn lowers contraception demand.


Horseshit.

Teenagers want to fuck because human bodies get sexually active at that point. We don't like to think about our KIDS getting freaky, so we've spent thousands of years trying to come up with ways to pretend it's not happening, or to find other things to blame it on. But when it comes down to it, kids fuck because it feels good, and the biological urge pushes us towards it. Nothing more and nothing less.

The only reason contraception even comes into this debate, is that it is in the best interests of society to make sure that (at this stage of civilisation) we allow children sufficient time to grow and mature before they make the choice to start popping out babies.

Kids are going to fuck anyway. Unless you LIKE abortions and teen-pregnancy, we need MORE and EASIER access to contraception.

You either trust the parents to raise their own children, or you don't. You can't pick and choose.

I trust some parents to raise children, and I don't trust others. And with good reason.

Thus, parents that are capable should be doing things like educating their kids on issues like sexuality... but the societal burden exists, as well, because a lot of people that have managed to become parents are fucktards.

My point is influences can effect how one chooses to react to said urges. One who is exposed to sexual propaganda is less likely to suppress the urge and move on.

Which is bullshit. Sex education is more extensive in the UK than in the US, sexuality on television is less taboo, nakedness is far more tolerated... and yet we have lower teenage pregnancy rates, and lower STD rates... and our youth is no more sexually active than in the US.

More education = less unwanted repercussions.

Teenagers do stupid things because they're allowed to in this society. Sometime in the middle of the last century there was this new social status constructed between childhood and adulthood and given a lot of coddling and licenses to be indulgent skids. We need to go back to the simple child/adult way of thinking. And no, don't jump on my ass about backwards thinking, or something of the sort, as I've seen happen with this opinion. I completely welcome progressive thinking, this is just one of those exceptions where the past had it more right.

You mean, when it was okay to get married at 12?

I wonder if we kept statistics for this kind of thing 50 or so years ago.

"Teen Sex"
"Practice makes everything better"

Fitting. That is all.

Not a big enough survey to be nationally embraced for myuself, nations have millions of people, thousands can be found in certian areas of the country.

As for teen sex, it's more to do with emotional attachment rather than education, a lot of women who get pregnant young actually want children due to a number of attachment issues.

I really could make a thing of this but it's like 11:30 and im tired, night all!

I feel especially sorry for all those boys that got knocked up.

Yeah, 'cause boys aren't involved in pregnancies. :rolleyes:

Yeah, 'cause boys aren't involved in pregnancies. :rolleyes:

I think it was a joke mate. IN the way the other poster had written in it, it could be seen that the boys were also getting pregnant.

The most stupid thing about this issue is that teens have been having sex since humans evolved and are not going to stop just because parents want them too! or society considers it taboo! I'm willing to bet that just 50 years ago teen sex was just as prolific but just not discussed

I was 13 just 7 years ago, I can remember the hormones, the interesting dreams, the random erections and the urges and I refuse to believe I am the only person on this forum who had them! I know people mature at different rates so some don't feel urges so young or act on them so young, others feel these same urges earlier in life but still It's only human.

It pleases me greatly that more and more adverts advocating contraception rather than abstinence are appearing in the united kingdom, abstinence doesn't work it just leads to people who don't actually know how to have proper sex or pleasure there partner properly and a high teen pregnancy rate as teens go about it anyway without understanding anything more than this goes in a hole and I push.

In short teen sex is always going to happen and we have to educate them not only on the science but contraception and make as much available as possible. I would argue that it is a natural part of growing up and therefore if it is consensual and with another teen it is in fact a good thing and a sign of approaching maturity.

personally I would go further and say at the age of 16, which is considered by law the age of consent, young adults should be taught something of how to have good quality sex and how to perform proper good quality foreplay and even the warn down that most people forget.

I think it was a joke mate. IN the way the other poster had written in it, it could be seen that the boys were also getting pregnant.

Only if one was a deliberate moron. Sorry, but I was the "other poster", and it's common practice to say that the couple "gets pregnant" in order to confirm the male participant's role and responsibility.

That said, you're right. There's been a rash of people "joking" without indicating it. Not my problem if they don't bother with a smiley or other disclaimer.

Yes, perfect little angels. No stabbings, or shootings (according to you of either type!) that means they are just perfect.

Well, the two assholes from Kauhajoki and Jokela say otherwise. But they're just the very little minority. In fact NSG a place for me to relax and get through a day.

and it's common practice to say that the couple "gets pregnant" in order to confirm the male participant's role and responsibility.Yeah, but saying a couple gets pregnant is different from saying that boys and girls are getting knocked up, imo.

That said, you're right. There's been a rash of people "joking" without indicating it. Not my problem if they don't bother with a smiley or other disclaimer.Quite right.
And it's not my problem either if people don't get it without a ten-foot blinking arrow pointing it out. Enough problems in the world without making more of our own.

What is wrong with 14-15 year old's having sex? I would remind anyone here that just 200 years ago they would have been considered adults. There was a time when 30 was considered a ripe old age.

we all mature at different rates and as long as these children have been educated into using contraception properly and are not being exploited by older people or pressured into sex then how can experimentation really be that bad, It's just part of growing up.

Its on education about sex that societies fail so badly and because few young adults actually understand much about sex that so many of them have it just out of curiosity.

I mean the science behind it is explained but often contraception (beyond abstinence) and actually how to do it is ignored.

Nowt is actualy wrong with it, I think the main issue is the babies that inevitably come along, or the STD's, or anything that involves haveing sex without procouasions nor really thinking about the possibly repucussions of what you are doing. All in all something that teenagers are well known for.

The most stupid thing about this issue is that teens have been having sex since humans evolved and are not going to stop just because parents want them too! or society considers it taboo! I'm willing to bet that just 50 years ago teen sex was just as prolific but just not discussed

I was 13 just 7 years ago, I can remember the hormones, the interesting dreams, the random erections and the urges and I refuse to believe I am the only person on this forum who had them! I know people mature at different rates so some don't feel urges so young or act on them so young, others feel these same urges earlier in life but still It's only human.

It pleases me greatly that more and more adverts advocating contraception rather than abstinence are appearing in the united kingdom, abstinence doesn't work it just leads to people who don't actually know how to have proper sex or pleasure there partner properly and a high teen pregnancy rate as teens go about it anyway without understanding anything more than this goes in a hole and I push.

In short teen sex is always going to happen and we have to educate them not only on the science but contraception and make as much available as possible. I would argue that it is a natural part of growing up and therefore if it is consensual and with another teen it is in fact a good thing and a sign of approaching maturity.

personally I would go further and say at the age of 16, which is considered by law the age of consent, young adults should be taught something of how to have good quality sex and how to perform proper good quality foreplay and even the warn down that most people forget.

This ^^

Nowt is actualy wrong with it, I think the main issue is the babies that inevitably come along, or the STD's, or anything that involves haveing sex without procouasions nor really thinking about the possibly repucussions of what you are doing. All in all something that teenagers are well known for.

Precautions?

Nowt is actualy wrong with it, I think the main issue is the babies that inevitably come along, or the STD's, or anything that involves haveing sex without procouasions nor really thinking about the possibly repucussions of what you are doing. All in all something that teenagers are well known for.

that's the whole point of my rant man, that teens will have sex no matter what adults do and therefore must be educated so they don't have babies or spread diseases

and well to be honest most adults don't think of the consequences of there actions any more than teens do

Town ordinance. I am actually considering getting involved in local politics... *snip*.

Also, do this.

Well when the bathrooms have them it is hard to stop kids buying them. Though a few of the boys brought them and decided to use them as ballons one school camp.

Wow, they have them in the bathrooms in...Sydney? I can't remember where you live.

They don't have them here. Well, not that I've encountered.

I concur. Our population is already far too large as it is, without bringing more suffering souls into the equation. What in HELL is wrong with these girls?

I think they must be pretty screwed up and/or stupid.

Perfect little angels? Ha! Most kids there swear 25-50% of the time. Fights there are about 15% of the time. Bullying is prevalent, and they pick on me, cause they see me as weak. But, next year it's Defendo time!

Swearing? NO WAI! ZOMG that's terrible.
Fights? SERIUZ!?

Oh, and you're just going to make a fool of yourself if you try to "defendo" yourself. Tell a teacher. Or move schools.

*snip*

As for teen sex, it's more to do with emotional attachment rather than education, a lot of women who get pregnant young actually want children due to a number of attachment issues.

This is definitely part of it.

Only if one was a deliberate moron. Sorry, but I was the "other poster", and it's common practice to say that the couple "gets pregnant" in order to confirm the male participant's role and responsibility.

That said, you're right. There's been a rash of people "joking" without indicating it. Not my problem if they don't bother with a smiley or other disclaimer.

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Wow, they have them in the bathrooms in...Sydney? I can't remember where you live.

They don't have them here. Well, not that I've encountered.

Well, I should clarify not the school bathrooms, but in the bathrooms of pubs, and petrol stations and I have seen one dispenser in a public toilet.

I live in Adelaide, and they don't have them in bathrooms in Brisbane? That's strange, I would have just assumed all states had them.

Well, I should clarify not the school bathrooms, but in the bathrooms of pubs, and petrol stations and I have seen one dispenser in a public toilet.

I live in Adelaide, and they don't have them in bathrooms in Brisbane? That's strange, I would have just assumed all states had them.

I thought you meant SCHOOL bathrooms.

I thought you meant SCHOOL bathrooms.

lol, no sorry about that. I picked that up after I read your response. Well I don't think so never heard of it being the case or seen it.

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