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I got called a bigot by a religious fundie because I am opposed to preventing homosexuals from getting married. They said I was a Bigot because I was an aethiest SOB who doesn't respect the rights of the religious majority.

I laughed and explained:

1. I'm not an aethiest...
2. I respect the rights of everyone, even homosexuals and the highly religious.

I don't respect the religious or anyone else stomping on the rights of the homosexuals, or anyone else.


This made me wonder, who else here is a bigot? By bigot I mean person who stands up for the underepresented, repressed, and discriminated. Sign me up!

i got called a bigot by a religious fundie because i am opposed to preventing homosexuals from getting married. They said i was a bigot because i was an aethiest sob who doesn't respect the rights of the religious majority.
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lol wut.

lol wut.

That was almost my reaction when I was called a bigot.

Fair play to you, man.

It's as bad as that recent thing in London where British Humanist Society put atheistic messages on the side of buses, and some religious group was saying that it's bad as people don't like being preached at.

Ironic, much.

I got called a bigot by a religious fundie because I am opposed to preventing homosexuals from getting married. They said I was a Bigot because I was an aethiest SOB who doesn't respect the rights of the religious majority.
I laughed and explained:
1. I'm not an aethiest...

That was obvious, because aethiests don't exist. Atheists do.

Btw I would like to know HOW two gays getting married infringes the rights of someone else. (oh, and that thing about "rights of the religious majority" is total crap... you know, democracy, freedom, and the difference with a dictatorship by the majority)


2. I respect the rights of everyone, even homosexuals and the highly religious.
I don't respect the religious or anyone else stomping on the rights of the homosexuals, or anyone else.

You shouldn't forget that the "highly religious" (that is, the religious bigots) think that they should rule the society by themselves because God told them to do so, or other crap like that.

See, you're a bigot libertarian! A living oxymoron! Welcome to the club!

Lets see: I don't like idiots, so I guess that makes be a bigot.

What are the beliefs of this "fundie" you met, SaintB ? I mean, apart from their belief about gay marriages ?

Fair play to you, man.

It's as bad as that recent thing in London where British Humanist Society put atheistic messages on the side of buses, and some religious group was saying that it's bad as people don't like being preached at.

Ironic, much.

What would be even more ironic was if those people who placed the ads on the buses say themselves that people should keep their beliefs to themselves.

And now to the thread.

Am I a bigot? Yep in every sense of the word including the OP's

my personal prejudice is against economic fanatics, particularly of the everything that isn't makiavellianism has to be procustianism or worse variety.

Fundies are idiots by definition. That's a fact beyond any meaningful debate.

What are the beliefs of this "fundie" you met, SaintB ? I mean, apart from their belief about gay marriages ?

They might not have been a fundie, but they seemed like the if its not written in this magic book than its not true type. I had this conversation in a gas station while buying a breakfast sandwich on my way here to work at 5 am, they were already dressed for church.

They might not have been a fundie, but they seemed like the if its not written in this magic book than its not true type. I had this conversation in a gas station while buying a breakfast sandwich on my way here to work at 5 am, they were already dressed for church.

What's wrong with going to the early service?

What's wrong with going to the early service?

Who goes to church at 5 AM? I'd rather sleep later, and if I wake up play games.

What's wrong with going to the early service?

Nothing, the problem I had was them talking to the cashier about how happy they were about Prop 8 and how they should do it in the federal constitution and yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda.

They might not have been a fundie, but they seemed like the if its not written in this magic book than its not true type. I had this conversation in a gas station while buying a breakfast sandwich on my way here to work at 5 am, they were already dressed for church.

i love how they can't eat pizza or chew gum, because neither are mentioned "in their magic book" and thus, for them, don't exist.

somehow they seem to have missed this minor little detail, or more importantly its implications.

hmmm, come to think of it, is there mention in there of oxygen and the need for it to breathe? that might well solve their problem if it actually worked that way.

i love how they can't eat pizza or chew gum, because neither are mentioned "in their magic book" and thus, for them, don't exist.

somehow they seem to have missed this minor little detail, or more importantly its implications.

hmmm, come to think of it, is there mention in there of oxygen and the need for it to breathe? that might well solve their problem if it actually worked that way.

I wasn't being litterall...

Besides which, I'm pretty sure that Jesus being a man of character and moral fortitude always had some spearment gum to freshen his breath and it would be a sin not to have pizza for a last supper :D

they were already dressed for church.

Do people "dress for church"?:confused: That's weird. Unless you must attend to a wedding or a funeral, that is. Or you're in Spain or Italy in the '50s.

Who goes to church at 5 AM? I'd rather sleep later, and if I wake up play games.

Well maybe they prefer to get up early and go to church and then they have the rest of the day to play games on their Xbox. Some people don't mind getting up early and going to bed early, other refer to stay up late and get in late. Each to their own it hardly matters when they choose to go. Some people might go to a Sunday afternoon service others may go on a Saturday evening and then others may not go at all. As I say each to their own, if you prefer to get up late and play games than that sounds like fun for you, just invite me next time :p


Nothing, the problem I had was them talking to the cashier about how happy they were about Prop 8 and how they should do it in the federal constitution and yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda.

Fair enough, it just seemed like your post was saying they were dressed for church at 5 in the morning they must be fundies.

Who voted for "I find this thread offensive?"

Whoever you are, I don't like your kind.:)

it would be a sin not to have pizza for a last supper :D

Only if the pizza dough had no yeast. He was Jew and it was Easter.

Do people "dress for church"?:confused: That's weird. Unless you must attend to a wedding or a funeral, that is. Or you're in Spain or Italy in the '50s.

I dress for church I don't want to go naked, or what I was wearing on a big night out the night before smelling of spirits and the $50 hooker I did in the back alley.

Do people "dress for church"?:confused: That's weird. Unless you must attend to a wedding or a funeral, that is. Or you're in Spain or Italy in the '50s.

Around here a lot of poeple dress for church; you know the old expression "Sunday Best"? thats pretty much the philosophy of a lot of folks here, button down shirts and/or suits without ties, dresses, etc..

Perhaps wildly off-topic, but I was thinking today about a quote which appeared in the signature of a certain poster here, whom I think most of us would call a bigot.

An open mind is like a fortress with the gates unbarred and unguarded.

Google suggests that this is a quote from Warhammer 4000 (but if anyone recognizes an older source do please tell.)

I was thinking about that, and realized that beyond the obvious fallacy that "a mind is a fortress" there is a more subtle mistake. Such a mind is a jail also, which keeps thoughts locked away from others.

hmmm, come to think of it, is there mention in there of oxygen and the need for it to breathe? that might well solve their problem if it actually worked that way.

There is isn't there? Something to do with the creation of man.

Only if the pizza dough had no yeast. He was Jew and it was Easter.

Flatbread pizza for the win!

Besides, it was a really bad joke. (I kind of hoped someone would sig that)

Well maybe they prefer to get up early and go to church and then they have the rest of the day to play games on their Xbox. Some people don't mind getting up early and going to bed early, other refer to stay up late and get in late. Each to their own it hardly matters when they choose to go. Some people might go to a Sunday afternoon service others may go on a Saturday evening and then others may not go at all. As I say each to their own, if you prefer to get up late and play games than that sounds like fun for you, just invite me next time :p


But, has the god described the Xbox or the Playstation? And, I'm not paying for your flight here, if I invite you.

But, has the god described the Xbox or the Playstation?

I remember something about god coming to people in visions and dreams?

I remember something about god coming to people in visions and dreams?

That only applies, if the god has shown them either one in them.

That only applies, if the god has shown them either one in them.

WHo says that the visions weren't in videogames?

They might not have been a fundie, but they seemed like the if its not written in this magic book than its not true type. I had this conversation in a gas station while buying a breakfast sandwich on my way here to work at 5 am, they were already dressed for church.

Do you think perhaps they objected to you working on a Sunday?

But, has the god described the Xbox or the Playstation? And, I'm not paying for your flight here, if I invite you.

Well that is a conundrum, the Xbox was conceived by a man some people call the devil himself, and then makes you pay to play online. Whereas the PS3 offers freedom to the masses to play online regardless whether they are Gentile or Jew.

Oh you won't :( Well I'll just have to find my own way there *places self in crate destined for Finland* But I'm guessing that's a pretty big IF :p

I wasn't being litterall...

Besides which, I'm pretty sure that Jesus being a man of character and moral fortitude always had some spearment gum to freshen his breath and it would be a sin not to have pizza for a last supper :D

i know you weren't. i just love bringing that up whenever they say dinosaurs aren't in their book, or claim the earth was made in a week.

the odd intersting thing about the passage of time in it, is that if you add up the thousand years for each manifestation it mentions, including the 18 in numbers, along with abraham, noah, and adam, then mahammid and now a hundred and some odd years ago, the bab and baha'u'llah, that adds up to something like 23/24 MILLINIA, which is an interesting coincidence with lucy and auldivoi and all that. i mean which in their claiming to be litteral they deny too. litteral but perhapse not entirely litterate.

those magic book thumpers, the ones that appearently deny the existence of the human brain.

now none of that is ment as a tyrade against honest faith, whatever it might happen to be in, just that the guy they claim to be all about, said himself that he'd rather eat with athiests then with those who use their beliefs to claim some sort of spiritual droit.

Well that is a conundrum, the Xbox was conceived by a man some people call the devil himself, and then makes you pay to play online. Whereas the PS3 offers freedom to the masses to play online regardless whether they are Gentile or Jew.

Oh you won't :( Well I'll just have to find my own way there *places self in crate destined for Finland* But I'm guessing that's a pretty big IF :p

Well, when I am 18 and get that 3000 euros, I MIGHT pay the flight. Still, that's four years from now. And, are you suggesting that Sony is front for the god's earthly activities?

Around here a lot of poeple dress for church; you know the old expression "Sunday Best"? thats pretty much the philosophy of a lot of folks here, button down shirts and/or suits without ties, dresses, etc..

...yes, here's "il vestito della festa". Anyway, I wear a button-down shirt, a tie, and a suit usually.
Also most people here in Italy attend to Sunday masses in plain everyday clothes, now. At least in the largest towns, maybe in smallish rural centres it's still somewhat "il vestito della festa".

Well, when I am 18 and get that 3000 euros, I MIGHT pay the flight. Still, that's four years from now.

I'll keep my diary open.

Do you think perhaps they objected to you working on a Sunday?

If they did its thier problem, I need the money and I lose the job if I don't work on Sundays. Besides, many churches have services on saturday nights, sunday afternoons, and similar times. If I wanted to go to church I still could.

If they did its thier problem, I need the money and I lose the job if I don't work on Sundays. Besides, many churches have services on saturday nights, sunday afternoons, and similar times. If I wanted to go to church I still could.

Yeah, it was a dumb question on my part. I've since seen where you said that your first contact with them was hearing them talking about Prop 8.

Debating with strangers works better on the internet. Perhaps we judge each other by spelling and punctuation, but there aren't a whole lot of prejudices based on how we look, how we're dressed, the accent we have or whether it is sweat or soap that we smell of.

I killed your thread, didn't I?

Don't care too much, to be frank. It was a blog anyway.

Yeah, it was a dumb question on my part. *snip*

Don't matter.

I killed your thread, didn't I?

Don't care too much, to be frank. It was a blog anyway.

See above reply.

I got called a bigot by a religious fundie because I am opposed to preventing homosexuals from getting married. They said I was a Bigot because I was an aethiest SOB who doesn't respect the rights of the religious majority.

I laughed and explained:

1. I'm not an aethiest...
2. I respect the rights of everyone, even homosexuals and the highly religious.

I don't respect the religious or anyone else stomping on the rights of the homosexuals, or anyone else.


This made me wonder, who else here is a bigot? By bigot I mean person who stands up for the underepresented, repressed, and discriminated. Sign me up!
By the definition of the fundie you described in the OP, I'm a bigot too, and proud of it.
I don't see the need to poke my nose into someone else's bedroom, or into a woman's privates to put in my two cents about what she can and can't do with her doctor's recommendations.

By the definition of the fundie you described in the OP, I'm a bigot too, and proud of it.
I don't see the need to poke my nose into someone else's bedroom, or into a woman's privates to put in my two cents about what she can and can't do with her doctor's recommendations.

AMEN! Can I get a halelujah!

I used to be a bigot, but I started getting exercise and eating right. Now I'm a smallot.
*rimshot*

I used to be a bigot, but I started getting exercise and eating right. Now I'm a smallot.
*rimshot*

Someone trips over a drumset... *Bad-ump bum*

By the definition of the fundie you described in the OP, I'm a bigot too, and proud of it.
I don't see the need to poke my nose into someone else's bedroom, or into a woman's privates to put in my two cents about what she can and can't do with her doctor's recommendations.

How about putting in your two cent's worth in a conversation between a customer and a staffer, when you come into the shop to buy a sandwich?

I think it was a clever riposte by the "fundie." They probably don't get a lot of chances to call someone a bigot!

It was argued during the founding of the constitution, that only a big government could protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority
What is popular is not always right, what is right is not always popular

How about putting in your two cent's worth in a conversation between a customer and a staffer, when you come into the shop to buy a sandwich?

I think it was a clever riposte by the "fundie." They probably don't get a lot of chances to call someone a bigot!

All I did was ask what personal problem they had with homosexuals and got half a bible thrown into my face verbally.

I just find it hilarious that someone who is bragging about stripping a minority of its rights only because they don't like them, would insult someone else by calling them a bigot. Lack of self-awareness, much?

I just find it hilarious that someone who is bragging about stripping a minority of its rights only because they don't like them, would insult someone else by calling them a bigot. Lack of self-awareness, much?I'd assume it's that because said person has continuously been called on their bigotry, they feel justified in giving "atheists" a taste of their own medicine.

If standing up for the basic human rights of the gay community and advocating for fair treatment of legal immigrants and AGAINST those who would demonize all Hispanics for the actions of illegal immigrants makes me a bigot, then by God, I'm a bigot!

I'd assume it's that because said person has continuously been called on their bigotry, they feel justified in giving "atheists" a taste of their own medicine.
Why would you assume that?

Why would you assume that?Anti-gay rights activists get plastered with the B-word all the time. It's frustrating (even if legitimate) and religious bigots have a soft spot for the "eye for an eye" treatment.

Anti-gay rights activists get plastered with the B-word all the time. It's frustrating (even if legitimate) and religious bigots have a soft spot for the "eye for an eye" treatment.

It could be... however I am just flaunting the title and trying to excite the rest of us here on NS about being as biggotted as I am :). Perhaps this concept could even be used somehow in a way to protest Prop 8's passing. "Hi my name is George, and I am a Bigot."

I bet the guy from the gas station would be pissed to see this kind of reaction ;).

Anti-gay rights activists get plastered with the B-word all the time. It's frustrating (even if legitimate) and religious bigots have a soft spot for the "eye for an eye" treatment.
On the other hand, I have heard so many arguments between bigots (of all kinds) and those who call them bigots that I think it's more likely that the bigot is blind or in denial about his own bigotry. I think that, like most bigots, he probably does not see that writing anti-gay discrimination into a state constitution for no reason other than he doesn't like gays is bigotry, and that he really thinks that the only reason he gets called a bigot is because other people are bigoted against his church.

What I see is a case of cognitive dissonance.

What I see is a case of cognitive dissonance.

Thats a big word and I'm really tired.. what?

All this demonstrates is that the fundies making this charge don't know or understand the definition of bigotry. By definition a bigot is one who has an unfounded or irrational belief in the superiority of one group of people over another. Bigotry is often rooted in personal bias. You cannot, by definition, be a bigot if you are arguing that a class of people is entitled to equal protection under the law. It's impossible.

Typical bigot bomb post:

I got called a bigot by a religious fundie

Nice bigoted word to use there, bigot!


because I am opposed to preventing homosexuals from getting married.

Ah, so you're in favour of bigotry and discrimination against religious beliefs, right?


I laughed

Bigot.


and explained:


Ah so now you're a patronising bigot also? They don't need simple concepts to be explained to them!


1. I'm not an aethiest...

What a bigot, discriminating against certain beliefs.


2. I respect the rights of everyone

What about every-two? Bigot!


, even homosexuals and the highly religious.


Even? What, like it's harder to respect them? How bigoted of you.


I don't respect the religious or anyone else stomping on the rights of the homosexuals, or anyone else.


Again, clearly your bigoted against certain belief, your bigotry does not have a place on NSG.


By bigot I mean person who stands up for the underepresented, repressed, and discriminated. Sign me up!

Wow, what a bigoted definition. Doesn't take into account other definitions that other minorities might have of that word!

Stop being such a bigot, bigot face!

Typical bigot bomb post:



Nice bigoted word to use there, bigot!



Ah, so you're in favour of bigotry and discrimination against religious beliefs, right?



Bigot.



Ah so now you're a patronising bigot also? They don't need simple concepts to be explained to them!



What a bigot, discriminating against certain beliefs.



What about every-two? Bigot!



Even? What, like it's harder to respect them? How bigoted of you.



Again, clearly your bigoted against certain belief, your bigotry does not have a place on NSG.



Wow, what a bigoted definition. Doesn't take into account other definitions that other minorities might have of that word!

Stop being such a bigot, bigot face!

Fourteen uses of the word ''bigot. Yes, I counted.

Fourteen uses of the word ''bigot. Yes, I counted.

I bet there have been legitimate posts on NSG that use the word more though. :p Also, at least it's not as bad as when Stalinist like Andaras use the word bourgeois.

Typical bigot bomb post: *snip*

Stop being such a bigot, bigot face!

:hail:

I almost fell out of my seat laughing, thank you for that...

This made me wonder, who else here is a bigot? By bigot I mean person who stands up for the underepresented, repressed, and discriminated. Sign me up!I find this thread offensive!
...Only because it made me realize that I'm a bigot, too. :( :D

2. I respect the rights of everyoneWhat about every-two? Bigot!

:tongue:

:hail:

I almost fell out of my seat laughing, thank you for that...

*bows* Still, if you want to laugh at an overzealous use of the same word over and over again, just read some of Andaras' old posts (if they haven't been deleted).

Personally I'm alright with people believing into whatever they want (or don't want), as long as they don't try to push their beliefs onto other people.

You know the religious nuts that go from door to door and do the "have you taken [insert religious icon name here] into your heart" routine? The local ones must have put my name down as "DO NOT KNOCK ON THIS DOOR", because after three very delightful debates (well, more dressings-down, since I did the talking) none of them have rung my doorbell any more... Pity. :D

As for things like sexual orientation and such... as long as they're consenting and either both adults or both minors... go for it. It's nothing to do with me, as long as they don't try telling me that what I feel/think/do is Wrong.

I guess I'm aggressively tolerant. :tongue:

Thats a big word and I'm really tired.. what?
It means his thinking is not logical. He's holding two contradictory ideas in his head at the same time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

my personal prejudice is against economic fanatics, particularly of the everything that isn't makiavellianism has to be procustianism or worse variety.
1. Machiavelli essentially advocated fascism in The Prince, his only opposition to Hitler would have been that he didn't win the war.
2. procustianism?

I got called a bigot by a religious fundie because I am opposed to preventing homosexuals from getting married. They said I was a Bigot because I was an aethiest SOB who doesn't respect the rights of the religious majority.

I laughed and explained:

1. I'm not an aethiest...
2. I respect the rights of everyone, even homosexuals and the highly religious.

I don't respect the religious or anyone else stomping on the rights of the homosexuals, or anyone else.


This made me wonder, who else here is a bigot? By bigot I mean person who stands up for the underepresented, repressed, and discriminated. Sign me up!

Based on that criteria I am a bigot as well...

I got called a bigot by a religious fundie because I am opposed to preventing homosexuals from getting married. They said I was a Bigot because I was an aethiest SOB who doesn't respect the rights of the religious majority.

I laughed and explained:

1. I'm not an aethiest...
2. I respect the rights of everyone, even homosexuals and the highly religious.

I don't respect the religious or anyone else stomping on the rights of the homosexuals, or anyone else.


This made me wonder, who else here is a bigot? By bigot I mean person who stands up for the underepresented, repressed, and discriminated. Sign me up!

Last thread like this I came out as homophobaphobic. I suppose I might as well admit to being as racistist too.

Last thread like this I came out as homophobaphobic. I suppose I might as well admit to being as racistist too.

Oh yeah? Well I'm a homophobaphobaphobic, and also a racististist! And thus think you a bastard, sir!

It appears that anytime you dont let Christians get special treatment youre a bigot.

Well then, if that's what the fundie told you, then I guess I'm a bigot too.

We are such a backwards, closed minded and hateful group of people.

Do people "dress for church"?:confused: That's weird. Unless you must attend to a wedding or a funeral, that is. Or you're in Spain or Italy in the '50s.

As Carlin put it, church is, for some, a "building where people go once a week to compare clothing."

All this demonstrates is that the fundies making this charge don't know or understand the definition of bigotry. By definition a bigot is one who has an unfounded or irrational belief in the superiority of one group of people over another. Bigotry is often rooted in personal bias. You cannot, by definition, be a bigot if you are arguing that a class of people is entitled to equal protection under the law. It's impossible.

So. Very. This.

Bigot Bread.... Mmmmmmm, delicious.

When I first saw the thread title, I read it as "Proud to be a Bigfoot!" Needless to say, I ended up disappointed, you mean bigots you.

When I first saw the thread title, I read it as "Proud to be a Bigfoot!" Needless to say, I ended up disappointed, you mean bigots you.

I do wear a size 14, does that count?

I got called a bigot by a religious fundie because I am opposed to preventing homosexuals from getting married. They said I was a Bigot because I was an aethiest SOB who doesn't respect the rights of the religious majority.

I laughed and explained:

1. I'm not an aethiest...
2. I respect the rights of everyone, even homosexuals and the highly religious.

I don't respect the religious or anyone else stomping on the rights of the homosexuals, or anyone else.


This made me wonder, who else here is a bigot? By bigot I mean person who stands up for the underepresented, repressed, and discriminated. Sign me up!

At one time, by these parameters, i guess i was a "bigot".
Now i find amusement in pointing out the hazards of being caught up in an obviously extremist-based ideology with delusional foundations to people like that, and how they're clearly, by number and nature, a fringe crackpot group.

This made me wonder, who else here is a bigot? By bigot I mean person who stands up for the underepresented, repressed, and discriminated. Sign me up!

I suppose I'm a bigot too, then!

Wait, so supporting equal protection under the law, and only under the law, is bigotry? Goddamn, the Klan is going to be happy to hear that one.

Wait, so supporting equal protection under the law, and only under the law, is bigotry? Goddamn, the Klan is going to be happy to hear that one.Maybe that's who they was in the first place ...

Of course I'm a bigot. I'm hugely prejudiced against self-righteous, moralizing jerks and the willfully ignorant.

I do wear a size 14, does that count?

Nope. You can still get yours in a store. I'm a 17. That's when it gets fun to try and find shoes.

Of course I'm a bigot. I'm hugely prejudiced against self-righteous, moralizing jerks and the willfully ignorant.Ayup.

Nope. You can still get yours in a store. I'm a 17. That's when it gets fun to try and find shoes.

Never seen evidence of that, last time I went show shopping I had to go to a store 80 miles away.

The funny thing is, this is the complete inverse of the perspective that comes to mind when homosexual marriage is mentioned: that people who say that it should be illegal are bigots. I'm not religious whatsoever, and I oppose it. Have your civil unions, but the point is, it is literally unnatural for two male or female humans to make a claim of fornication; they aren't compatible.

Personally I'm alright with people believing into whatever they want (or don't want), as long as they don't try to push their beliefs onto other people.

You know the religious nuts that go from door to door and do the "have you taken [insert religious icon name here] into your heart" routine? The local ones must have put my name down as "DO NOT KNOCK ON THIS DOOR", because after three very delightful debates (well, more dressings-down, since I did the talking) none of them have rung my doorbell any more... Pity. :D

As for things like sexual orientation and such... as long as they're consenting and either both adults or both minors... go for it. It's nothing to do with me, as long as they don't try telling me that what I feel/think/do is Wrong.

I guess I'm aggressively tolerant. :tongue:

You have every right not to like the people who go from door to door and try to convert people, but I wouldn't go so far as to call them nuts. It's not conducive to creating a dialogue. In a way, neither is the opening of the thread as the religious person used the word bigot and the other person used fundie to refer to the religious person. People, of course, can say what they want, but it makes it more difficult to convince people to understand your point of view :). But that's just my opinion. Anyway, the same type of people show up on my doorstep and it really irritates me, but I understand that from their point of view they are attempting to save my soul from eternal condemnation. So, I relax myself while a turn them away :D. On the other side, they should consider that many people (as you seem to) don't like them coming to their door. :D

If standing up for the basic human rights of the gay community and advocating for fair treatment of legal immigrants and AGAINST those who would demonize all Hispanics for the actions of illegal immigrants makes me a bigot, then by God, I'm a bigot!

I agree with the rest of what you say, but I have to wonder when marriage became a basic human right. I believe that "marriage" should be defined as between a one man and one woman. The gay community could marry if they wish, but I would prefer they called it by a different name if that makes any sense. It would come with the same rights, but marriage has always been traditionally between males and females as far as I know. I do not wish to deny anyone of any sexual orientation their rights, but I do wish for a separate designation or something. Not like to further ostracize them or anything. I don't know how to properly express what I mean by all this. I hope I don't come off sounding discriminatory or something. :$

I agree with the rest of what you say, but I have to wonder when marriage became a basic human right. I believe that "marriage" should be defined as between a one man and one woman. The gay community could marry if they wish, but I would prefer they called it by a different name if that makes any sense. It would come with the same rights, but marriage has always been traditionally between males and females as far as I know. I do not wish to deny anyone of any sexual orientation their rights, but I do wish for a separate designation or something. Not like to further ostracize them or anything. I don't know how to properly express what I mean by all this. I hope I don't come off sounding discriminatory or something. :$

Yeah, seperate but equal.


Wait....didnt we rule that as unconstitutional?

The funny thing is, this is the complete inverse of the perspective that comes to mind when homosexual marriage is mentioned: that people who say that it should be illegal are bigots. I'm not religious whatsoever, and I oppose it. Have your civil unions, but the point is, it is literally unnatural for two male or female humans to make a claim of fornication; they aren't compatible.

Except that they are. Love doesn't much care. Just because you don't experience love for your own gender doesn't mean it doesn't exist and can't be perfectly compatible.

Never seen evidence of that, last time I went show shopping I had to go to a store 80 miles away.

Did you ever hear Demetri Marten's joke about shopping for shoes? I thought it was quite amusing. He talks about how he went to the shoe store and asks the salesman if he has a size ten in a shoe. The salesman comes back and says no, but he has a nine. Demetri says back to him that that's perfect because while the salesman was gone he had an accident that severed his toes and that otherwise it would have been completely retarded of him to bring back a totally different size, but in light of his recent accident it was just right. He tells it much better of course; I did the best I could with writing it out from memory :D. Now that I read it, it sounds pretty crappy. I probably should have just referenced you to where he said it or something. Sorry if I wasted your time :$.

Did you ever hear Demetri Marten's joke about shopping for shoes? I thought it was quite amusing. He talks about how he went to the shoe store and asks the salesman if he has a size ten in a shoe. The salesman comes back and says no, but he has a nine. Demetri says back to him that that's perfect because while the salesman was gone he had an accident that severed his toes and that otherwise it would have been completely retarded of him to bring back a totally different size, but in light of his recent accident it was just right. He tells it much better of course; I did the best I could with writing it out from memory :D. Now that I read it, it sounds pretty crappy. I probably should have just referenced you to where he said it or something. Sorry if I wasted your time :$.

Bah... I'm on NSG what am I doing but wasting time?

Yeah, seperate but equal.


Wait....didnt we rule that as unconstitutional?

That's not what I meant. Just a different name. What's in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. Why not in this case as well? I just thought that calling it something different, but it being absolutely the same would maybe help ease the tensions on such a controversial subject. I had considered that I would come off in a wrong way. I apologize.

The funny thing is, this is the complete inverse of the perspective that comes to mind when homosexual marriage is mentioned: that people who say that it should be illegal are bigots.

If you think really hard you might discover the reason for that.

They are.

That's not what I meant. Just a different name. What's in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. Why not in this case as well? I just thought that calling it something different, but it being absolutely the same would maybe help ease the tensions on such a controversial subject. I had considered that I would come off in a wrong way. I apologize.

Another great Poet named Andre 3000 also wrote: See that roses really smell like poo-poo!