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http://www.switched.com/2008/11/14/why-you-should-never-try-to-steal-a-law-students-laptop/

A thief learned the mistake of trying to steal a law student's laptop last week after after becoming a punching bag for an Arizona State student he tried to rip off. Armed with a baseball bat, the intruder, Gabriel Saucedo, allegedly climbed through an open window into Alex Botsios' apartment, waking the student and threatening to smash his head in.

Botsios was willing to let Saucedo take his wallet and guitars. Then the robber made the mistake that ultimately landed him in the hospital -- he went for the laptop. According to Botsios, he said "Dude, no -- please, no! I have all my case notes...that's four months of work!"

http://www.switched.com/2008/11/14/why-you-should-never-try-to-steal-a-law-students-laptop/

He used Law-Fu on him...

I love it when thiefs get the snot kicked out of them by their victims.

Why? Because it prevents repeat offenses better than any jail time will.

Owned.

Hmm.....

So does that mean it ok to attack a robber if you think you have a ok chance of winning any fight?

After all,had he not fought with the robber(and the robber had not gone for the laptop) he would had gotta away with a wallet and a few gutiars...

(Its a long night..)

I can sympathize with the student..

I can sympathize with the student..

I think everyone that has read this thread so far does.

I think everyone that has read this thread so far does.

nah, until you've been there, you just can't really understand....

nah, until you've been there, you just can't really understand....

So law School is like Vietnam?

He was charged with armed robbery and kidnapping -- the police agree that a student's laptop really is his baby?

So law School is like Vietnam?

that's not an entirely inaccurate analogy.

He was charged with armed robbery and kidnapping -- the police agree that a student's laptop really is his baby?

he by force or threat of force prevented an individual from leaving a bounded area against his will. In most jurisdictions, that's either kidnapping or false imprisonment.

So law School is like Vietnam?

You are apperantly qualified to run for president after either.

You are apperantly qualified to run for president after either.

fucking win.

You are apperantly qualified to run for president after either.

Good point. I think i could have qualified for president after HIGH SCHOOL though

You are apperantly qualified to run for president after either.

G call.

fucking win.

After 6,582 posts, I have finally won a thread. :p

Good point. I think i could have qualified for president after HIGH SCHOOL though

You were 35 years old when you graduated from High School?(Art II Sec 1 Clause 5) Well i do see you are from Pennsylvania...

You were 35 years old when you graduated from High School?(Art II Sec 1 Clause 5) Well i do see you are from Pennsylvania...

Way to fail.

You were 35 years old when you graduated from High School?(Art II Sec 1 Clause 5) Well i do see you are from Pennsylvania...

Absolutly, I age in reverse, I was 35 when I graduated and I'm going on 25 now!

No, I was alluding to the fact that I had more common sense than the average politician.

he by force or threat of force prevented an individual from leaving a bounded area against his will. In most jurisdictions, that's either kidnapping or false imprisonment.

I was afraid it was something boringly realistic like that.:( I much prefer my interpretation. Fans of Asimov and Dr Susan Calvin will understand.

I totally sympathize. My laptop carries all my student grades and all the lesson plans I've ever written. I shocked the hell out of a student who "pretended" to pick up my laptop to take it and I snarled, "You wanna go through life called Stumpy?"

I was afraid it was something boringly realistic like that.:( I much prefer my interpretation. Fans of Asimov and Dr Susan Calvin will understand.
If the laptop were self-aware....

I totally sympathize. My laptop carries all my student grades and all the lesson plans I've ever written. I shocked the hell out of a student who "pretended" to pick up my laptop to take it and I snarled, "You wanna go through life called Stumpy?"

Lol, your my favorite teacher I never had!

Lol, your my favorite teacher I never had!
I try to be the teacher *I* never had....

Seriously, all my lessons get burned to disk every term, but if someone stole my student grades before the end of the term, I'd be screwed.

I try to be the teacher *I* never had....

Seriously, all my lessons get burned to disk every term, but if someone stole my student grades before the end of the term, I'd be screwed.

I had great teachers in high school, I visit them every once in awhile too. You sound like one of those kind; if I were a teacher its the kind I'd be (but thankfully for many young Americans I am not)

Some people name their PCs. So I guess it should come as little to no surprise that Botsios would see his laptop as his baby. I know I see my computer as mine...

(Yoruichi, if you want to ask... Yup, I named my PC a she. Yup, I'm a hopeless otaku.)

If the laptop were self-aware....

''I can't let you do that, Dave''

I try to be the teacher *I* never had....

Seriously, all my lessons get burned to disk every term, but if someone stole my student grades before the end of the term, I'd be screwed.

Yes Mrs Kat I got an A. *Says the kid who never does any work*

I would act the same way, I have quite a lot of work on various things on my laptop that if it was ever stolen I don't know what I would do. I nearly had a heart attack last year when i forgot I brought it with me and left it in one of the lecture theaters, half hour later I notice that I'm not carrying this extra weight rush their and find it still in the same spot.

Some people name their PCs. So I guess it should come as little to no surprise that Botsios would see his laptop as his baby. I know I see my computer as mine...

(Yoruichi, if you want to ask... Yup, I named my PC a she. Yup, I'm a hopeless otaku.)

Hey nothing wrong with that I named my laptop too, and she is a she.

Her name is Pandora, and I'm sure you could guess why.

Her name is Pandora, and I'm sure you could guess why.

After the Greek mythos character, but aside from that...

LOL you wouldn't want to know my laptop's various pet names.... usually they come out when something goes terribly, terribly wrong.

After the Greek mythos character, but aside from that...

Pandora, after Pandora;s box...


All the sins of mankind and etc.. I bet he must mean he has a lot of porn on it.

LOL you wouldn't want to know my laptop's various pet names.... usually they come out when something goes terribly, terribly wrong.

Talk softly to it at these moments. Just give it a try. ;)

Pandora, after Pandora;s box...


All the sins of mankind and etc.. I bet he must mean he has a lot of porn on it.

Ahhh... Point.

After the Greek mythos character, but aside from that...

Well because she brings pain and grief to me, when she acts up and doesn't save work and decides to shut down for no apparent reason. She also is very temperamental sometimes I can start up 5 different applications, a few Internet browser windows and she does it fine and quick, then on other occasion trying to open up two applications can take 5 minutes and sometimes I have to restart the damn thing before I can do it.

The fact that she is temperamental, changes her mind, tells me what window I should be looking at and can sometimes take forever to do anything is why she I know she is a she. The fact that she brings grief and suffering onto me is why I called her Pandora, in the same way the the Greek character brought grief and suffering onto the world.

Apologies to the women out there, I know you all aren't like that and I am making generalisations but it is kind of tongue in cheek, with a bit of truth mixed in.

Pandora, after Pandora;s box...


All the sins of mankind and etc.. I bet he must mean he has a lot of porn on it.

Close but not quite.

Though that might be one reason why I wouldn't want my laptop stolen.

Close but not quite.

Though that might be one reason why I wouldn't want my laptop stolen.

I was just making a lighthearted joke dude. You know, like about 85% of my posts...

I was just making a lighthearted joke dude. You know, like about 85% of my posts...

I know mate, sorry didn't mean to come across as serious.

My laptop is named Katrina...because...I like the name?

My laptop is named Katrina...because...I like the name?
Better that than that it's a federal disaster area.

I know mate, sorry didn't mean to come across as serious.

Its aright (if this were a messenger pipboy would be giving you a peace sign)

Never try to take a student's laptop, or there will be PAIN.

Never try to take a student's laptop, or there will be PAIN.

And always make sure you have your carrots.



Or is that There Will be Blood?

I can understand the law student, I'm not sure that life without my laptop would be worth living. I've got all my writings; the journal I've kept since Senior Year of High School; a shit ton of music I might never be able to track down again; three years worth of tax records; and some other stuff I'm not thinking of right now.
It's one of the few things in my life that I'd be willing to kill and die for.

burn it to dvd.

I can understand the law student, I'm not sure that life without my laptop would be worth living. I've got all my writings; the journal I've kept since Senior Year of High School; a shit ton of music I might never be able to track down again; three years worth of tax records; and some other stuff I'm not thinking of right now.
It's one of the few things in my life that I'd be willing to kill and die for.

I await the day when this shit can get sewn into our skulls! Along with some groovy flashing lights and lasers. Then thieves would have to decapitate us!

*waits patiently for the singularity*

burn it to dvd.

I treid that, but they keep melting when I light them on fire, they don't catch flames very well :(.

Pwnt

Havnt any of you people learned to back up your laptops yet? You have no excuse to lose 4 months of work without some form of hard drive backup in place.

I completely understand this.

I can understand the law student, I'm not sure that life without my laptop would be worth living. I've got all my writings; the journal I've kept since Senior Year of High School; a shit ton of music I might never be able to track down again; three years worth of tax records; and some other stuff I'm not thinking of right now.
It's one of the few things in my life that I'd be willing to kill and die for.Get an external harddrive and back your shit up. It'll help you avoid the nasty situation that would arise if your computer fries and there's no would be robber around to vent.

I would kick the robbers ass not because i have any precious data i have to defend with my life but because the damn thing cost me $2700 and ill be damned if im letting $3k walk out the door.

I would kick the robbers ass not because i have any precious data i have to defend with my life but because the damn thing cost me $2700 and ill be damned if im letting $3k walk out the door.

And if he causes you to be hospitalized it'll be way more than 3k.

And if he causes you to be hospitalized it'll be way more than 3k.

True but im way better armed then a baseball bat :eek:

True but im way better armed then a baseball bat :eek:
Course, if he's busy grabbing your wallet, he'll only have one hand on the bat.

Havnt any of you people learned to back up your laptops yet? You have no excuse to lose 4 months of work without some form of hard drive backup in place.

Seriously. That's what I'm taking away from this. This guy seriously has four months worth of work on a single, centralized location that can be easily stolen or damaged? That's not very bright. Heck, whenever I finish anything important at work, I back it up onto three separate network drives to be safe.

Some people name their PCs. So I guess it should come as little to no surprise that Botsios would see his laptop as his baby. I know I see my computer as mine...

(Yoruichi, if you want to ask... Yup, I named my PC a she. Yup, I'm a hopeless otaku.)

My Eee PC is named Vera. And no, I would not trade her for an (apparently) naive girl from some planet that my captain accidentally married according to an obscure local ritual.

If somebody tried to steal her, I'd be pretty pissed and would do what I could to stop them. Not just because of my files-- all my important stuff is backed up, and the really important stuff I have backed up to more than one place-- but because she's my goddamn computer.

Seriously. That's what I'm taking away from this. This guy seriously has four months worth of work on a single, centralized location that can be easily stolen or damaged? That's not very bright. Heck, whenever I finish anything important at work, I back it up onto three separate network drives to be safe.I use sky drive a lot. It's really helpful. Especially if you're moving around many different places during the day.

Get an external harddrive and back your shit up. It'll help you avoid the nasty situation that would arise if your computer fries and there's no would be robber around to vent.
I used to have a back-up, but it fried. So, until my new Lacie Rugged gets here, I'm on high alert.

he by force or threat of force prevented an individual from leaving a bounded area against his will. In most jurisdictions, that's either kidnapping or false imprisonment.

If I've read my Torts correctly, it's false imprisonment, battery, possibly assault depending on the jurisdiction. Moreover I'd have to reread the section on escalation in context of self-defense to determine whether or not being threatened with a deadly weapon is sufficient provocation to actually use a deadly weapon.

But by the same token, what jury of his peers is ever going to convict. Still being a 1L myself, I'm surprised he showed as much restraint as he did.

I have law in High school and I would kill someone who took my notebook I couldn't even imagine what I'd do to someone who took university level case notes from me.

I used to have a back-up, but it fried. So, until my new Lacie Rugged gets here, I'm on high alert.I have two back up drives, which is a good thing because one is starting to have issues with recognizing its connected to a computer. The other gets stuff loaded on it and is then left alone until I see the need for another back up.

Seriously, all my lessons get burned to disk every term, but if someone stole my student grades before the end of the term, I'd be screwed.
You can only hope that your HD never fails.

(Why don't you do a backup of your stuff?)

I try to be the teacher *I* never had....

Seriously, all my lessons get burned to disk every term, but if someone stole my student grades before the end of the term, I'd be screwed.

not to mention the issue of having a students information released.

My Eee PC is named Vera. And no, I would not trade her for an (apparently) naive girl from some planet that my captain accidentally married according to an obscure local ritual.

If somebody tried to steal her, I'd be pretty pissed and would do what I could to stop them. Not just because of my files-- all my important stuff is backed up, and the really important stuff I have backed up to more than one place-- but because she's my goddamn computer.

Lol. I call it Vera.

Anyway, I'm-a be getting a netbook thingamummy soon, me hopes. But for the moment, I'm still a luddite. Having said that, I had a folder which contained all my notes, all my work, all the handouts and everything, pretty much my entire year's work for my final year of high school* in it, nicked once. Needless to say, I was pissed. It turned up in lost property two days later, with all my pens stolen but my notes intact. I partied so hard that night...

*This is a bigger deal when you realise that here, we do things ass-backwards, where the last year of High School matters heaps, heaps, heaps more than anything except final year at uni. It matters about on-par with final year coursework for most degrees.

Hmm.....

So does that mean it ok to attack a robber if you think you have a ok chance of winning any fight?

After all,had he not fought with the robber(and the robber had not gone for the laptop) he would had gotta away with a wallet and a few gutiars...

(Its a long night..)

Why wouldn't it be OK? It might not be safe, it might not be advisable, but it's your home and your stuff. In some U.S. states, the courts let you off for killing an intruder. I'm not sure how much it deters similar crimes but that one guy won't be breaking & entering anymore.

http://www.switched.com/2008/11/14/why-you-should-never-try-to-steal-a-law-students-laptop/

Thank God for justice, nerdy hard working justice.

I treid that, but they keep melting when I light them on fire, they don't catch flames very well :(.
Har.
Har.



oh, and Har.

Havnt any of you people learned to back up your laptops yet? You have no excuse to lose 4 months of work without some form of hard drive backup in place.
I have. I'd still beat the snot out of someone taking my BABY. ;)

You can only hope that your HD never fails.

(Why don't you do a backup of your stuff?)
Cos it gets updated, literally, every day.

Every week I copy the files to a separate thumb drive, but... damn, I don't want to think about losing my machine.

not to mention the issue of having a students information released.
I password my electronic gradebook. More than six characters, upper and lower, numbers and special characters.

So law School is like Vietnam?

law school sucked

I love it when thiefs get the snot kicked out of them by their victims.

Why? Because it prevents repeat offenses better than any jail time will.
The recidivism rate is 0% when the predator is shot and killed by the intended victim.

If somebody every did that, I might kill them. Seriously, that would fuck me over so badly I would not stop...now, whether or not I'd have sufficient brutality to actually torture them to death I can't say, but I might just do it out of sheer anger. It would be that goddamn bad.

The recidivism rate is 0% when the predator is shot and killed by the intended victim.

Not to mention there's no incarceration costs. As far as I know, cremating their corpse and dumping it is a lot cheaper than keeping said waste of life in jail.

First year law, indeed. If someone stole my Emily....

Nah, not worth thinking about and getting all angry.