NationStates Jolt Archive

I kid you not. (http://wikipedia.de/) The German domain of Wikipedia has been ordered to stop linking to the German language version of wikipedia.org on grounds of libel (hilariously enough, without any real effect. You can still freely access the German wikipedia (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite), just not from wikipedia.de). Member of Parliament Lutz Heilman (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutz_Heilmann) (English article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutz_Heilmann)) filed a preliminary injunction on grounds that the article makes false allegations about him (mainly that he didn't finish his degree and that he's been involved in a pornography mail order business).

Not that what he's done has helped. I'd never have heard about this if he hadn't done that.

I kid you not. (http://wikipedia.de/) The German domain of Wikipedia has been ordered to stop linking to the German language version of wikipedia.org on grounds of libel (hilariously enough, without any real effect. You can still freely access the German wikipedia (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite), just not from wikipedia.de). Member of Parliament Lutz Heilman (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutz_Heilmann) (English article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutz_Heilmann)) filed a preliminary injunction on grounds that the article makes false allegations about him (mainly that he didn't finish his degree and that he's been involved in a pornography mail order business).

Not that what he's done has helped. I'd never have heard about this if he hadn't done that.

I'd still vote for a man who was involved in mail order porn; shows he's got the entrepreneurial spirit that I admire.

Seriously though, there's always some kind of silly drama surrounding wikipedia.

Hey, significant backfire, who could have anticipated that? I suppose I should go tell all my friends about the porno drop-out guy now.

Huh. I thought they outlawed the nazi party.

Huh. I thought they outlawed the nazi party.He's from the other dictatorial party. First member of parliament that officially worked for the East German Ministry of State Security.

So delete the offending passages, and the injunction is meaningless. Then put them back, rinse, repeat. :)

So delete the offending passages, and the injunction is meaningless. Then put them back, rinse, repeat. :)

Makes me wonder why he didn't just have his assistants quietly delete the offending material instead of going to all this trouble.

he's from the other dictatorial party. First member of parliament that officially worked for the east german ministry of state security.

cdu?

Makes me wonder why he didn't just have his assistants quietly delete the offending material instead of going to all this trouble.

I'll assume you're looking for a more ellaboate answer than "because he's a moron".

cdu?Used to be SED, then PDS, now Left Party.

I'll assume you're looking for a more ellaboate answer than "because he's a moron".

Works for me. :D

Makes me wonder why he didn't just have his assistants quietly delete the offending material instead of going to all this trouble.There's rumors that this has been preceeded by an edit war between him and the three authors he's sued over it. But no concrete evidence that he was involved in one.

This has happened before with wikipedia.de if I remember correctly about some hacker named Tron.

That's why I don't use wiki.de but de.wiki.org - works just fine.

Member of Parliament Lutz Heilman (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutz_Heilmann) (English article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutz_Heilmann)) filed a preliminary injunction on grounds that the article makes false allegations about him (mainly that he didn't finish his degree and that he's been involved in a pornography mail order business).

Actually he was upset about the article claiming he was a member of the East German secret service during communism. At least that is what the papers say ;)

What an idiot. How can you outlaw a website for saying something you don't want it to?

Actually he was upset about the article claiming he was a member of the East German secret service during communism. At least that is what the papers say ;)Highly unlikely, seeing as that he's admitted to that.

There's rumors that this has been preceeded by an edit war between him and the three authors he's sued over it. But no concrete evidence that he was involved in one.

I wonder why the MP didn't simply ask wiki to protect the page about him from editing, that's quite a standard thing wiki does about pages being targeted by an editing war. Meh, MP looking for popularity increase, I guess.

Highly unlikely, seeing as that he's admitted to that.

Btw, I think that having served as secret service member of one's own country isn't a crime; if it were, about one third of former DDR citizens would be going to be jailed as informants of StaSi.
I don't know exactly what the german law following the Wiedervereinigung states about that, though.

Btw, I think that having served as secret service member of one's own country isn't a crime; if it were, about one third of former DDR citizens were going to be jailed as informants of StaSi.
I don't know exactly what the german law following the Wiedervereinigung states about that, though.While what they did would have been illegal under Federal German law, it wasn't under German Democratic law, and therefore, unless it's a capital crime (such as shooting people that fled), there's no legal consequences. However, being outed is pretty damaging to your reputation. Though that isn't entirely the case here, as he was officially working at the StaSi, not as one of the inofficial employees that did the spying.

While what they did would have been illegal under Federal German law, it wasn't under German Democratic law, and therefore, unless it's a capital crime (such as shooting people that fled), there's no legal consequences. However, being outed is pretty damaging to your reputation. Though that isn't entirely the case here, as he was officially working at the StaSi, not as one of the inofficial employees that did the spying.

So, no big deal: he was an ordinary state employee or functionary, not a killer.

So, no big deal: he was an ordinary state employee or functionary, not a killer.It is a big deal, since the StaSi is pretty much a criminal institution by West German standards. He wasn't open about it when party line says he should have been, which makes him controversial in his own party. But he would have pretty much no chance whatsoever of getting a court to ban Wiki from mentioning his documented past as a StaSi employee.

It is a big deal, since the StaSi is pretty much a criminal institution by West German standards. He wasn't open about it when party line says he should have been, which makes him controversial in his own party.
Wasn't open? I thought he admitted it. Maybe not clearly enough.
Anyway, you know, with the high numbers of former fascists we had here in Italy in places of command AFTER WW2... (and by that I mean people who in 1943-1945 were commissioned officers etc in the fascist Repubblica Sociale Italiana, Mussolini's puppet state), an MP being a former employee of StaSi doesn't look too strange.

But he would have pretty much no chance whatsoever of getting a court to ban Wiki from mentioning his documented past as a StaSi employee.
I daresay he wouldn't have.

Wasn't open? I thought he admitted it. Maybe not clearly enough.It became public shortly before he was elected to parliament. He didn't deny it when it was made public, but should have informed his party on his own, according to their proceedings, which he didn't.
Anyway, you know, with the high numbers of former fascists we had here in Italy in places of command AFTER WW2... (and by that I mean people who in 1943-1945 were commissioned officers etc in the fascist Repubblica Sociale Italiana, Mussolini's puppet state), an MP being a former employee of StaSi doesn't look too strange.Not really the same thing. We had two states merge, after all. Nazis being in important positions was common in Germany as well, up until the student movements of the sixties started going after them.

What an idiot. How can you outlaw a website for saying something you don't want it to?

You can't. You can _try_, but the attempt probably just increases the site's traffic by 30000%, because people want to know what all the hassle is about. XD

It became public shortly before he was elected to parliament. He didn't deny it when it was made public, but should have informed his party on his own, according to their proceedings, which he didn't.
Ok. Clear now, thanks for the explanation.
Not really the same thing. We had two states merge, after all. Nazis being in important positions was common in Germany as well, up until the student movements of the sixties started going after them.
Exactly: my point is that, since the RSI was illegal (treason!) and never recognised by the legitimate Italian government, or by the UN, we italians should have been quite harsher with the fascists (by banning them from places of power) than the BRD has been with former officials of the DDR.

You can't. You can _try_, but the attempt probably just increases the site's traffic by 30000%, because people want to know what all the hassle is about. XD

Well.. that does increase ones fame. Maybe he wants to publish a book ?