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Another conspiracy theory thread from Parkus! Here are our "plots" for the day:

9/11:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rodriguez

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8536008651248732897

Bill Clinton:

http://www.zpub.com/un/un-bc-body.html

Scientology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)

AIDS:

http://notaids.com/en/node/84








Here are the questions: Was 9/11 a plot by the government? Is Clinton more sinister than he seems? Are Scientologists trying to take over the world? Was AIDS created by scientists?

You decide! Just give me your answers to the various questions, and state why you are convinced on a yes or a no.

There is a conspiracy to convince us that the cake is a lie. Cake is in fact the truth, but the ice cream doesn't want us to know that. *nod*

There is a conspiracy to convince us that the cake is a lie. Cake is in fact the truth, but the ice cream doesn't want us to know that. *nod*

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1180/798334011_861057c19c.jpg

The truth is out there.

There is a conspiracy to convince us that the cake is a lie. Cake is in fact the truth, but the ice cream doesn't want us to know that. *nod*

But, how do you explain ice cream cake?! :eek:
Would that mean it is both the truth and a lie?

But, how do you explain ice cream cake?! :eek:
Would that mean it is both the truth and a lie?

Schroedinger's Dessert.

Schroedinger's Dessert.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/Thread.jpg
Totally. *bows*

Now on topic ...:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/health/14hiv.html?bl&ex=1226811600&en=69c9c3988c55907d&ei=5087%0A

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/Thread.jpg
Totally. *bows*

I certified my own threadwin?

I certified my own threadwin?Yeah - it's like you were in Florida in 2000 or something!
Ho ... I've made myself sad.

Well done indeed. :)

9/11 was a plot by Clinton's government and as a Scientologist he is trying to take over the world and therefore AIDS created by scientists.

That's my theory.

I created AIDS at the behest of drug addicts and gays who wanted an additional thing to be angsty about, but I'm damned close to revoking it if you all don't quit complaining.

9/11 was a plot by Clinton's government and as a Scientologist he is trying to take over the world and therefore AIDS created by scientists.

That's my theory.That pretty much covers it, it would appear!
No obvious holes or flaws.
*bows*

Scientologists, pfff. They are pawns in a larger cosmic game. Real conspiracy factists* know that it is really the garbage men on Thursday who are in charge. It is obvious, why would anyone want to make a living collecting our old trash? So they can know us and understand us! And when they forget to do your street and have to come and do it on Friday, that is just a ploy to turn us against each other. We get a little annoyed the first time it happens. The second, we get angry but let it slide. The third, we usually call downtown and let the city know what is going on. But that anger builds and builds each successive time until we destroy ourselves. Mutually Assured Destruction people. That is how the garbage men are going to take over. Plus they have big trucks, does your Honda Fit stand a chance against 40 tons of trash? I think not.

*Conspiracy factists know what they are talking about, conspiracy theorists just write books and get TV interviews. They do it for the money, factists do it for the good of human kind.

*Conspiracy factists know what they are talking about, conspiracy theorists just write books and get TV interviews. They do it for the money, factists do it for the good of human kind.

All of the links I have provided contain facts, though occasional speculative sentences are inserted.

Scientologists, pfff. They are pawns in a larger cosmic game. Real conspiracy factists* know that it is really the garbage men on Thursday who are in charge. It is obvious, why would anyone want to make a living collecting our old trash? So they can know us and understand us! And when they forget to do your street and have to come and do it on Friday, that is just a ploy to turn us against each other. We get a little annoyed the first time it happens. The second, we get angry but let it slide. The third, we usually call downtown and let the city know what is going on. But that anger builds and builds each successive time until we destroy ourselves. Mutually Assured Destruction people. That is how the garbage men are going to take over. Plus they have big trucks, does your Honda Fit stand a chance against 40 tons of trash? I think not.

*Conspiracy factists know what they are talking about, conspiracy theorists just write books and get TV interviews. They do it for the money, factists do it for the good of human kind.


They take MY garbage on Thursday! :eek:

Here are the questions: Was 9/11 a plot by the government? Is Clinton more sinister than he seems? Are Scientologists trying to take over the world? Was AIDS created by scientists?

1) The Bush administration was too incompetent to get away with orchestrating 9/11.
2) Wow, a bunch of people associated with Bill Clinton died. Big whoop. It's probable that a number of these deaths were not accidental or natural, but that's not the same as saying that they were instigated by Clinton. That one lost me when it added the Oklahoma bombing to the list of "deaths associated with Clinton".
3) Of course Scientologists are trying to take over the world. That's what cults do.
4) No. AIDS has been traced back to individuals in Africa as far back as the 50s, but no-one was paying attention then. It took it a while to find the urban centres of America, that's all, and the extreme promiscuity of some of the gay scenes in the late 70s/early 80s spread it much faster and brought it to the world's attention.

I believe the Bill Clinton thing. Too many people died to have been coincidence.

I believe the Bill Clinton thing. Too many people died to have been coincidence.

I'd be very surprised if one couldn't make a similar list for most Presidents. Politics raises a lot of people's hackles, and an awful lot of Americans have guns.

2) Wow, a bunch of people associated with Bill Clinton died. Big whoop. It's probable that a number of these deaths were not accidental or natural,

Just regular criminal activity?

but that's not the same as saying that they were instigated by Clinton.

We all know that presidents are morally upstanding, and if even they were absolutely certain they could get away with it, they would never murder anyone.

That one lost me when it added the Oklahoma bombing to the list of "deaths associated with Clinton".

It obviously invalidated any other suspicious deaths.

3) Of course Scientologists are trying to take over the world. That's what cults do.

Are you saying influential persons like Tom Cruise and John Travolta are working toward this objective?

4) No. AIDS has been traced back to individuals in Africa as far back as the 50s, but no-one was paying attention then.

Source?

It took it a while to find the urban centres of America, that's all, and the extreme promiscuity of some of the gay scenes in the late 70s/early 80s spread it much faster and brought it to the world's attention.

I suppose so. After all, would any one in the American government not like homosexuals? Of course not, we all know how normal that preference was considered back then, and how tolerant California has recently shown itself to be concerning that.

I'd be very surprised if one couldn't make a similar list for most Presidents.

:eek:

After reading through part of this thread all I can say is Wow, and blame the OP for giving me a headache.:(

After reading through part of this thread all I can say is Wow, and blame the OP for giving me a headache.:(


http://www.mamatang.ca/tinhats/tinfoil_armik.jpg

Just regular criminal activity?... We all know that presidents are morally upstanding, and if even they were absolutely certain they could get away with it, they would never murder anyone.

Many of these people could just as easily have been killed by the Clinton administration's numerous powerful enemies, or lone psychopaths, and many of them probably happened as reported, but actually I accept the possibility that maybe one or two of them were killed by associates of Clinton. However, as I said, you could probably compile a list like this for most Presidents.

It obviously invalidated any other suspicious deaths.

My bad, that was sloppy.

Are you saying influential persons like Tom Cruise and John Travolta are working toward this objective?

I don't know how influential these guys really are in Scientology. Anyway I haven't followed the link yet, I was just saying that any agenda on the part of Scientology wouldn't surprise me. I'll get back to you on this one.

Source?

Worobey, Michael; Marlea Gemmel, Dirk E. Teuwen, et al. (2 October 2008). "Direct evidence of extensive diversity of HIV-1 in Kinshasa by Nature 455 (7293): pp.661-664. doi:10.1038/nature07390, http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v455/n7213/abs/nature07390.html.

I suppose so. After all, would any one in the American government not like homosexuals? Of course not, we all know how normal that preference was considered back then, and how tolerant California has recently shown itself to be concerning that.

Intolerance does not add up to conspiracy. As early as 1982 MMRW Weekly was reporting that nearly 50% of those infected were not homosexual. The gay communities of the late 70s and early 80s were highly insular and promiscuous, due in large part to the intolerance you rightly emphasise. Given those conditions, the way the disease spread was perfectly natural.

OK, have followed the Scientology links. Yeah, that all fits in with my picture of how The "Church" of Scientology operates pretty well. It's an unpleasant organisation.
By the way, Parkus, I thought my point about there being "no way an administration as incompetent as Bush's was capable of orchestrating 9/11" was unanswerable, and you proved it by not answering it.

Scientologists, pfff. They are pawns in a larger cosmic game. Real conspiracy factists* know that it is really the garbage men on Thursday who are in charge. It is obvious, why would anyone want to make a living collecting our old trash? So they can know us and understand us! And when they forget to do your street and have to come and do it on Friday, that is just a ploy to turn us against each other. We get a little annoyed the first time it happens. The second, we get angry but let it slide. The third, we usually call downtown and let the city know what is going on. But that anger builds and builds each successive time until we destroy ourselves. Mutually Assured Destruction people. That is how the garbage men are going to take over. Plus they have big trucks, does your Honda Fit stand a chance against 40 tons of trash? I think not.

*Conspiracy factists know what they are talking about, conspiracy theorists just write books and get TV interviews. They do it for the money, factists do it for the good of human kind.
Dilbert is good, though i've distanced myself a bit of late. Basically, i get the books.

Many of these people could just as easily have been killed by the Clinton administration's numerous powerful enemies, or lone psychopaths, and many of them probably happened as reported, but actually I accept the possibility that maybe one or two of them were killed by associates of Clinton. However, as I said, you could probably compile a list like this for most Presidents.

Which is not saying much for America.



My bad, that was sloppy.

Paranoids are the ones who write articles that bring these things-up, so you will have to put-up with a little apophenia.


I don't know how influential these guys really are in Scientology.

They are wealthy.



Worobey, Michael; Marlea Gemmel, Dirk E. Teuwen, et al. (2 October 2008). "Direct evidence of extensive diversity of HIV-1 in Kinshasa by Nature 455 (7293): pp.661-664. doi:10.1038/nature07390, http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v455/n7213/abs/nature07390.html.



Intolerance does not add up to conspiracy. As early as 1982 MMRW Weekly was reporting that nearly 50% of those infected were not homosexual. The gay communities of the late 70s and early 80s were highly insular and promiscuous, due in large part to the intolerance you rightly emphasise. Given those conditions, the way the disease spread was perfectly natural.

Oh well, onto Roswell.

By the way, Parkus, I thought my point about there being "no way an administration as incompetent as Bush's was capable of orchestrating 9/11" was unanswerable, and you proved it by not answering it.

:D Well, I do not necessarily believe in these conspiracies myself, they just interest me in the same way Greek mythology does.

Concerning 9/11: Can you be certain the Bush administration did not dilibertly let it happen, though? Or that it was not orchestrated by the more successful CIA under orders from the government?

Oh well, onto Roswell.

Oh, Roswell, like, totally happened, dude, I was there. It just came out of the frickin' sky, man, it just came out of the freakin' sky. Then there was this huge explosion and I ran off and got me some more moonshine. That was a good night.

Oh, Roswell, like, totally happened, dude, I was there. It just came out of the frickin' sky, man, it just came out of the freakin' sky. Then there was this huge explosion and I ran off and got me some more moonshine. That was a good night.No one's ever happy with the outcome on these things. At least it resulted in an excellent Futurama episode.

:D Well, I do not necessarily believe in these conspiracies myself, they just interest me in the same way Greek mythology does.

Concerning 9/11: Can you be certain the Bush administration did not dilibertly let it happen, though? Or that it was not orchestrated by the more successful CIA under orders from the government?

I don't think it was feasible for the administration to have any hand in it, even just ordering the CIA; it would have got out somehow.
As far as allowing it to happen goes, it's fairly well established that they had intelligence that an attack was being planned, and dismissed it. As far as the motive for the dismissal goes, there's no evidence, so you could argue that they decided the attack was in their interest. Given the neocon contempt for any information that doesn't fit in with their worldview, though, I reckon they probably just ignored the intelligence.

Was 9/11 a plot by the government? Is Clinton more sinister than he seems? Are Scientologists trying to take over the world? Was AIDS created by scientists?
No, maybe (but probably not), yes, no.

: Was 9/11 a plot by the government?
a lot possibly and perhapse more then a little probably.
its seeds were planted during the raygun years by rumsfield, a very long term effort that took decades to reach fruition.

Is Clinton more sinister than he seems?
not exactly sinister. as far as i know he's dexter handed, although i don't really know this for sure. i think some of his policies weren't as well thought through in the sense of their broader and longer term effects, as they might have been/ought to have been.

Are Scientologists trying to take over the world?
no. they have higher aims. taking over science fiction conventions and quack psycology.

Was AIDS created by scientists?
yes, by medical researchers specifically, but NOT as any kind of a weapon. one of the prominent and most prominend lines of early research in preventing rejection of transplanted organs was tailoring of viruses specificly to lower inmune system rejection of them.

considering the colocation of both the first successfull transplants and first reported cases of aids, and considering at the time, biohasardous material was not nearly as closely monitored as it has come to be since, a highly probable scenario is impoverished intravenious drug users knowing they could find hypodermics in the dumpsters behind university biology research labs, shooting up with used needles that had been used to test some these earlier lines on labratory animals.

Is Clinton more sinister than he seems?
not exactly sinister. as far as i know he's dexter handed, although i don't really know this for sure.

Nope he is left handed - so were Reagan and George Bush and so is Obama. Yes we left handers are conspiring to take over the world.

There is a sad side to conspiracy theories.

I spent a little time in africa, graffiti like 'American Invented DiseaseS' isn't uncommon, and a large number of the kids I met there believed that the West had a cure for aids that they either weren't sharing or africans couldn't afford (which is how it is for many diseases there, malaria among them). They have no way of knowing any different.

Nope he is left handed - so were Reagan and George Bush and so is Obama. Yes we left handers are conspiring to take over the world.

i stand corrected! :D

All conspiracy theorists are planning to take over the world. Their theories are created so that we think that they're lunatics.

Nope he is left handed - so were Reagan and George Bush and so is Obama. Yes we left handers are conspiring to take over the world.

How gauche.

I wonder if the timecube (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Time_Cube) would gain as much power and popularity as scientology if a movie star admitted to agreeing with something along the lines of it.

I find most HIV/AIDS conspiracies pretty hard to believe, especially now that we know people had the virus since at least the late 50s and known cases have been found in Africa, the US and Europe long before these conspiracies claim that it was created, accidentally or not.