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Took me a couple of reads to work out what happened here...

For its many devotees, the Second Life virtual world is a place where the everyday constraints of normal life drop away and vivid fantasies can be played out.

But fact and fiction have collided for a British couple who are divorcing after the wife discovered her husband's online alter-ego - a goatee-bearded, medallion-wearing hombre called Dave Barmy - with another woman, also virtual.

Amy Taylor, who in Second Life is a club DJ called Laura Skye, said yesterday that as far as she was concerned her husband, David Pollard, was having a real relationship with the human controlling her rival. "It may have started online but it existed entirely in the real world and it hurts just as much," she said. "His was the ultimate betrayal. He had been lying to me."

Role-playing games have won plaudits for connecting people, academics and businesses, but the British charity Relate last night said that its counsellors were coming across an increasing number of people whose real-life relationships were falling apart because of what was happening in their parallel, unreal, worlds.

Second Life players have spotted the trend and some have set themselves up as virtual private eyes who check on the fidelity of suspected cyber cheats, or act as virtual relationship counsellors.

Amy Taylor (she has already changed her name by deed poll), 28, and David Pollard, 40, met in an internet chatroom. She moved from her home in London to be with him in Newquay, Cornwall, and at first they had fun together, in real life and cyberspace.

In Second Life Taylor liked to wear tight-fitting cowboy outfits and she lived by the motto: "Never give your heart easily." Pollard set himself up in a winter chalet with a Cobra helicopter gunship parked next to it. Their avatars became partners in Second Life, until Taylor woke from an afternoon nap and found Pollard at the computer watching his Dave Barmy character having sex with a prostitute.

Horrified, Taylor ended the online relationship between Skye and Barmy but stayed with Pollard in real life.

It was then that fact and fiction really began to collide. Taylor decided to test Dave Barmy, and thus Pollard's loyalty, by turning to a virtual female private eye called Markie Macdonald.

A "honeytrap" was set up in which an alluring avatar chatted Barmy up. He passed the test with flying colours, talking about Laura Skye all night.

Barmy and Skye got back together in cyberspace, marrying in a ceremony held in a pretty, tropical grove.

In real life at their flat in Cornwall, Taylor wept as she watched the service and in 2005, in real life again, the couple married in the less glamorous surroundings of St Austell register office.

But Taylor sensed something was wrong and eventually she found Barmy chatting affectionately in Second Life to a woman who was not Skye.

She found it even more disturbing than his earlier tryst as there seemed genuine affection in it. In real life, she filed for divorce.

Taylor said she realised the saga sounded "bizarre" but added: "People find love in lots of different ways."

She said she still played Second Life, and there was a chance her alter ego would bump into her former partner's. It would be awkward, but they would survive.

Pollard admitted he was having an online relationship with an American woman. "We weren't even having cyber sex or anything like that, we were just chatting and hanging out together. It was nothing really major. I don't think I was really doing anything wrong."

Crazy, I love the virtual private eyes, I quite like this whole story,

...but what do you think?

Yep WTF?

Oh man, so much for ignoring all those contemporary philosophers who warn us about the post modern condition.

Wow....these people have no lives....

http://www.vaq34.com/vaq34/wtf-cat.jpg

Yep WTF?

Indeed, we say lolwut round these parts.

Oh man, so much for ignoring all those contemporary philosophers who warn us about the post modern condition.

I do think it's interesting, that semi-removal in terms of the relationship although real emotions are involved, I expect we'll see more of this where people gain access to a wider variety of people.

While on the traveling trail, where you meet people from all walks of life and different countries that you wouldn't meet at home, all sorts of break ups occurred. My friend and I always smiled where we met a girl who 'had a boyfriend back home' - they lasted 4 weeks on average.

Wow....these people have no lives....

A little close to home no?

Indeed, we say lolwut round these parts.

Yeah but I didn't have a pic for that. Not even the one with the pear.

A little close to home no?

:rolleyes: Yes because I'm all about boinking women in Second Life. That is just me all over.... :p

Yeah but I didn't have a pic for that. Not even the one with the pear.

But the Interwebs does....

:rolleyes: Yes because I'm all about boinking women in Second Life. That is just me all over.... :p

13, 588 posts, I can't say I'm much better admittedly.

Other than that, I know there's at least one marriage off NSG, certainly a few escapades,

Yeah but I didn't have a pic for that. Not even the one with the pear.
http://www.lolwut.com/layout/lolwut.jpg

For the record people from the UK are fucking crazy.

13, 588 posts, I can't say I'm much better admittedly.

Other than that, I know there's at least one marriage off NSG, certainly a few escapades,

I cheated, I admit it. I was fucking around with someone online and it was explicitly not okay with my (now) ex.

The second time I 'hooked up' online, I no longer cared that it wasn't okay with the (now) ex, because I was leaving him anyway.

But I always knew I was cheating, despite the fact that to that point, I hadn't actually physically met the other person.

I've had RL sex with three people I met through NSG though. MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

13, 588 posts, I can't say I'm much better admittedly.

Other than that, I know there's at least one marriage off NSG, certainly a few escapades,

I want an escapades. :(

I've had RL sex with three people I met through NSG though. MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

:eek2:Wha! Huh? But-but....

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!?!?
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I was sort of accepting this, until the Virtual Private Eye. In real life, that's a loser-move, but online that's just . . .
Fuck those people. Seriously.

I've had RL sex with three people I met through NSG though. MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

I think I can name all 3.

I'd expect this to be on the rise, I'm not sure I'm against it all, often relationships can be a product of being stuck within a social circle, the opportunity to know there's more out there is, in my opinion, a good thing.

Cheating, well it is what it is,

I think I can name all 3. Try!

I'd expect this to be on the rise, I'm not sure I'm against it all, often relationships can be a product of being stuck within a social circle, the opportunity to know there's more out there is, in my opinion, a good thing.

It's been really interesting, because I've done it both ways now. What's different about meeting people online is you get to know them really well first, before you see what they look like. Which is completely opposite of how things work offline. A lot of the people I've met online, I've gotten to know better than people I've worked with or studied with for years, because you tend to focus on more meaningful conversations in the time you spend online. Or at least I do. Sort of :D

Cheating, well it is what it is,Yeah, I'm just opposed to people claiming that no RL physical intimacy invalidates any accusation of cheating.

Wow....these people have no lives.......Who are you, and what have you done with the poster known as Wilgrove? :eek:

I've had RL sex with three people I met through NSG though. MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!You should get a medal.

For the record people from the UK are fucking crazy....You shouldn't.

Try!

TG'd, though you'd probably comfortable being open,

It's been really interesting, because I've done it both ways now. What's different about meeting people online is you get to know them really well first, before you see what they look like. Which is completely opposite of how things work offline. A lot of the people I've met online, I've gotten to know better than people I've worked with or studied with for years, because you tend to focus on more meaningful conversations in the time you spend online. Or at least I do. Sort of :D

Sure, for friendship, for relationships I really need to see the face, because I'm partly an arrogant ass and though I'd like to say it's personality, it clearly ain't just that, second because I like to probe and question in a fun way and I need the facial reaction to really flirt, flirting online seems dry to me.

Yeah, I'm just opposed to people claiming that no RL physical intimacy invalidates any accusation of cheating.

I don't really judge cheating too much, life is too varied to judge.

Lololol. One day everyone will be living their lives in second life.

It'll be just like the matrix.

Lololol. One day everyone will be living their lives in second life.

It'll be just like the matrix.WoW has more members.
...I think.
Dude, that's fucking SCARY. :eek: *hides*

Lololol. One day everyone will be living their lives in second life.

It'll be just like the matrix.

So our future is one of terrible graphics, furries, penis stores and adult babies.

God help us.

So our future is one of terrible graphics, furries, penis stores and adult babies.

God help us.

Hey, at least small pensis will be a thing of the past.

TG'd, though you'd probably comfortable being open,
You're right, but you have a reply.


Sure, for friendship, for relationships I really need to see the face, because I'm partly an arrogant ass and though I'd like to say it's personality, it clearly ain't just that, second because I like to probe and question in a fun way and I need the facial reaction to really flirt, flirting online seems dry to me. I'll be totally honest, and I'm not trying to make myself sound good...looks are secondary to me. Mostly because barring certain anomalous people, I don't usually just look at someone and go...*drool*. I'm much more superficial with women than men though. I can overlook a mostly lame personality if a woman is really fucking hot. I can't do that with a guy.

But in general, people don't really become attractive to me unless they've really caught my attention somehow. Barring some really hideous features or massive incompatibility with my 'likes', I'm not going to then see someone and go 'OMG EWWW!'.

Flirting online is not hard for me, because well...okay I mean I talk about sex a lot, but what really gets me going is a person's depth and intellect. If it's all 'lol I like vagina', then I'm not going to be into someone.

So my online attractions aren't much different than my offline attractions in that sense...because people are a blur to me until they do something to stand out in some good way. THEN I notice them. THEN I get turned on. Then I can look at them and become interested in their looks.

I accept that many men are more visual than women, but I don't accept that it's so very different really.



I don't really judge cheating too much, life is too varied to judge.
I do, because I value honestly. Mind you, I've been the 'girl on the side', and didn't care, because that was the guy's (or girl's) choice to make. It annoys me a little to be involved in deception, but if I'm not deceiving, it bothers me less.

However, I had a real problem with my own cheating, even online. I don't ever want to do that again, as hot as it was. Cheating I mean. If I can't be honest with my partner, I don't want a partner.

You're right, but you have a reply.

Fair enough

I'll be totally honest, and I'm not trying to make myself sound good...looks are secondary to me. Mostly because barring certain anomalous people, I don't usually just look at someone and go...*drool*. I'm much more superficial with women than men though. I can overlook a mostly lame personality if a woman is really fucking hot. I can't do that with a guy.

But in general, people don't really become attractive to me unless they've really caught my attention somehow. Barring some really hideous features or massive incompatibility with my 'likes', I'm not going to then see someone and go 'OMG EWWW!'.

It's not necessarily a case of OMG EWWW, it more a lack of 'Hello there!'

Flirting online is not hard for me, because well...okay I mean I talk about sex a lot, but what really gets me going is a person's depth and intellect. If it's all 'lol I like vagina', then I'm not going to be into someone.

So my online attractions aren't much different than my offline attractions in that sense...because people are a blur to me until they do something to stand out in some good way. THEN I notice them. THEN I get turned on. Then I can look at them and become interested in their looks.

Sure, part of what I do is understanding online social interaction, how and where it's different, one of the issues that repeatedly crops up is how willing people are to give personal information to a wide audience, I suspect following it makes me very wary, case in point with the reasonable accuracy of my TG.

I accept that many men are more visual than women, but I don't accept that it's so very different really.

Interesting, what we value might be different and even that may differ over short term and long term. My guess is that, culturally, women in the main feel less, amm, comfortable, for various cultural reasons, with the one night stand aspect - I'd say there's a difference between how we assess short term and long term partners, to the point that I might think that in the future, it may be much more acceptable, given openness, to have a long term partner and various short term flings on both sides of the sexes.

I do, because I value honestly. Mind you, I've been the 'girl on the side', and didn't care, because that was the guy's (or girl's) choice to make. It annoys me a little to be involved in deception, but if I'm not deceiving, it bothers me less.

However, I had a real problem with my own cheating, even online. I don't ever want to do that again, as hot as it was. Cheating I mean. If I can't be honest with my partner, I don't want a partner.

Exactly, whatever our beliefs are, people can be tempted, everyone's human, just because one has cheated, doesn't mean they're okay with it.

Sure, part of what I do is understanding online social interaction, how and where it's different, one of the issues that repeatedly crops up is how willing people are to give personal information to a wide audience, I suspect following it makes me very wary, case in point with the reasonable accuracy of my TG.

First year of Uni, all those years ago, I had an English prof who was berating us for 'your generation's propensity to spill your guts to complete strangers at the drop of a hat'. I understood her reservations in this regard. Especially when it comes to young, immature, or inexperienced people. Because the information that you give out (or pictures or videos or what have you) freely online can indeed come back to haunt you.

Nonetheless, I relish the freer sharing of thoughts/beliefs/desires/information that has come with the internet age. Yes, there needs to be a certain amount of caution. You might not recall, as I'm not sure you were even around then, but when I was teaching, I absolutely refused to post pictures, or give out enough information to make me in any way identifiable. I however, am of an age to know for certain that I will make no political plays, nor will I aspire to fame, and as such, the information I give out will not prevent me from pursuing my goals in life. Safety is still important, but I can at least make an informed decision about the quality and quantity of information I give out.

Being able to talk about these things freely, without fear of censure, is incredible freeing and important to a person's critical thinking skills and personal development. The free flow of information is a powerful thing...and while yes it can be used to harm, for the most part I think it is a vehicle for social change.


Interesting, what we value might be different and even that may differ over short term and long term. My guess is that, culturally, women in the main feel less, amm, comfortable, for various cultural reasons, with the one night stand aspect - I'd say there's a difference between how we assess short term and long term partners, to the point that I might think that in the future, it may be much more acceptable, given openness, to have a long term partner and various short term flings on both sides of the sexes. That's where I've ended up. There are certain people in my life that I want in my life for as long as is possible...other people I can form more fleeting ties with. All these relationships are enriching in some way.


Exactly, whatever our beliefs are, people can be tempted, everyone's human, just because one has cheated, doesn't mean they're okay with it.
Ah, then we are in agreement. I don't assume things about those who have cheated, just as I don't assume things about people who have succumbed to any number of temptations...mostly because I myself have done so as well. I can only strive to be aware of my system of beliefs, and how certain actions are irreconcilable with them...and consciously work to avoid conflict with myself. I would hope that others are doing the same, but I can't demand it of them...unless I'm in a position to demand it of them.

:eek:Oh my God! My husband is having a virtual affair. Get over it lady and go have one yourself - you'll feel better.

Here is where the law should have no place but more and more virtual fantasy is being commandeered by the real world.

This is Big Brother intrusion! The Law Courts should have no role here - what do you think?

Web of deceit leads to divorce
Richard Edwards, London
November 15, 2008
AN ENGLISHWOMAN is divorcing her husband after catching him having an affair with a virtual woman in an online game.

The internet game, Second Life, allows players to create characters and live in a virtual universe — having jobs, relationships and children.

But after Amy Pollard, 28, discovered her husband's character in the arms of another female player in the Second Life world she filed for divorce, citing "unreasonable behaviour".

She claimed that David Pollard, 40, committed adultery with the computer-animated woman and said it was the second time she had caught his character cheating on her.

In February last year, she said he had "sex" with an online callgirl character. She even hired a private detective in the game to investigate his "adultery". She has filed for divorce, which is due to be finalised next week. Mrs Pollard said: "The solicitor wasn't at all surprised. She said it was her second divorce case involving Second Life that week."

More than 10 million people around the world play the website game. Companies have even created a virtual presence on the site. Reuters opened a bureau in Second Life to report on events in the virtual universe.

The couple, who have been married for three years, first met in the game where their alter-egos were "Dave Barmy" and "Laura Skye". They met in real life and moved into a house in Cornwall. They were married in July 2005. They marked the occasion by holding a virtual wedding in Second Life, modelling it on the "fairytale" ceremony of David and Victoria Beckham.

But as with most characters on Second Life, the couple's alter-egos do not resemble their real-life appearances. Mr Pollard, a large, balding man, is represented by a tall, black man with long hair and a sharp grey suit. Mrs Pollard, who has red hair, appears as a pretty Hispanic woman with long black hair. She said she discovered her husband's most recent online infidelity in April after she had woken from an afternoon nap and caught Mr Pollard in a compromising position — on the screen.

Mrs Pollard said her estranged husband was now engaged to the woman he had an "affair" with on Second Life, though they had never met in real life, as she is an American woman.

She said she had also found a new man, whom she met online while playing World of Warcraft.

LIVING A SECOND LIFE

■The online parallel universe was created five years ago.

■Users download software, which is then used to access the online world. "Residents" interact with each other through "avatars", virtual characters they have created.

■They choose how they look and dress and can explore the world, meet other residents, socialise, play sport, go to concerts and trade items such as virtual property and cars.

■The world uses an internal currency called the "Linden Dollar", purchased using real money.

■Land is treated as a valuable and scarce commodity; residents can buy, sell, and rent land areas.

TELEGRAPH

:mad:

Didn't we already have a thread on this?

http://blog.dreamhost.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/serious.jpg

At least she didn't kill off his virtual character.

:D

Wilgrove, I think you're thinking of the jealous Japanese wife who killed off her husband's avatar and he took her to court.

Ooh! I like the "internet serious business" pikkie!

Well, to the extent to which an affair is a betrayal of the trust and love one is supposed to have in a marriage, it doesn't really matter whether you have physical sex, or some version of it online.

But I don't judge the reasons people have divorces, just like I don't judge the reasons they get together in the first place. In short: I don't really think it's any of my business.

Well, to the extent to which an affair is a betrayal of the trust and love one is supposed to have in a marriage, it doesn't really matter whether you have physical sex, or some version of it online.

That does depend on whether you see the virtual character as actually representing you, or as a character in a story you made up.

Let us take it back to "more primitive" means. Suppose I cowrite a book with someone else who is not my lifepartner. I write everything about character A, the other person everything about character B. At some point those characters have hot steamy sex that continues over 25 pages.

Am I cheating on my partner ?

Am I cheating on my partner ?
Probably not. But you're not really the one having sex either. You're right in that simply the clicking of a "hump" button in Second Life doesn't equate to cheating, but since a lot of people get personally into games like these, I would say for many their avatar is a meaningful stand-in for their RL self.

Probably not. But you're not really the one having sex either. You're right in that simply the clicking of a "hump" button in Second Life doesn't equate to cheating, but since a lot of people get personally into games like these, I would say for many their avatar is a meaningful stand-in for their RL self.

So if character A is quite obviously based on me, my lifepartner should indeed have a word with me/has a right to be upset ?

Seriously, both those people were taking it too far in the first place when they got married because they met on second life. Makes sens they would get divorced because of second life.

Didn't we already have a thread on this?

We have. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=572893)

So if character A is quite obviously based on me, my lifepartner should indeed have a word with me/has a right to be upset ?
I would be wondering if I read that book, because it would suggest to me that these are things you would like to do but can't in real life because of the relationship, when the idea is that you wouldn't want to do them because of it. But then, I'm the jealous/insecure type. :p

Seriously, I'd say it depends on the relationship, the people involved, perhaps on how long the relationship has been going and so on. I'd make any such calls on a case by case basis, should it ever become necessary for me personally. As such I think it's quite possible for the divorce in this case to be justified - indeed, I would say any divorce is always justified because it presumes at least one partner to have asked for it, which is reason enough in and for itself.

Apparently we did have a thread on a related topic (Virtual affairs) thanks ro Wilgrove and Tech-gnosos for pointing it out. But it was in February (before my time) and the point about this one is that, once again, law courts are involved.

Hell, couples can get divorced for lots of reason. I don't believe in marriage partly for the reason of divorce. My mothe rdivorced my father, so I learnt early in life that when the love goes so does the marriage.
Yes couples should stay toether where possible - especially if kids are involved.... but when you have had enough of your partner and you feel you can no longer live with him'her, then by all means split. But over a silly internet fantasy game! God! It would take more than my partner shagging a real person to leave her. Perhaps I'm broadminded.

God! It would take more than my partner shagging a real person to leave her. Perhaps I'm broadminded.Even if it was me?

That reminds me of a very old stand-up comedian joke'

"....Now take my wife for example........ Go on! Take her!

That reminds me of a very old stand-up comedian joke'

"....Now take my wife for example........ Go on! Take her!
Take my Worf. Please!
Can't remember who said that. Don't know if it was Data, Q, or Geordi.
Ah, good times. :)

MMmmm! Deanna Troi.....mmmm! I can really empathise with you.

That reminds me of a very old stand-up comedian joke'

"....Now take my wife for example........ Go on! Take her!
Hennie Youngman did it better.
Take my wife, please!

http://www.funny2.com/henny.htm

The laughable, tragic and pathetic human struggle.

He's having a relationship with someone else, even if its over a computer. Hence, he is cheating, a behavior which is dishonest and emotionally hurtful. Definately grounds for a divorce.

The laughable, tragic and pathetic human struggle.Struggle for what?

virtual affair, Def: Pathetic

Seriously, wtf is the meaning of a virtual affair when it only yields VIRTUAL sex?

Oh the humanity.

The best part of this whole thread is the advertisement for IMVU that all but shows two digital women making out!

Its funny when taken along with the contents of this thread...

He's having a relationship with someone else, even if its over a computer. Hence, he is cheating, a behavior which is dishonest and emotionally hurtful. Definately grounds for a divorce.

Although I agree that the trust of a relationship is form through communication; that you can cheat over the phone, through mail, in person, and definitely over the internet. We need to recognize that a video game is a video game. Virtual sex is not the same as real sex in the sense that communication through images are not the same as penetration. I think most of us can accept that at the rational level.

The question I want to ask is, would she divorce him for talking to another woman in real life, knowing that he cannot slept with her? In real life that's a bit hard to be sure, so you need to think hypothetically, but over the internet you can be sure. Now if she would divorce him in the real life scenario, well can't say much that's her choice. But if she wouldn't, then the divorce for cheating on second life seems to come out of a confusion of what virtual reality is.

It's funny how the guy have no idea why she gotten so upset at the end.

Took me a couple of reads to work out what happened here...



Crazy, I love the virtual private eyes, I quite like this whole story,

...but what do you think?

I think the situation is easy enough to summarise : cheating = lying to your significant other = bad.
Doesn't matter if anything sexual happened or not. Me, I would have a problem with my finace starting a second life online without letting me in on it.
He can have sex with whoever he wants, but I want to know about it.

Seriously, wtf is the meaning of a virtual affair when it only yields VIRTUAL sex?

You would be surprised how many women get upset if their husband shares any form of intimacy with another woman. No touching required.

Shall we have a "what is cheating" poll ;) ?

I got virtual gonorrhea of a virtual 14 year old Thai prostitute.

I suggest the virtual clinic, and for Hells sake use a virtual condom next time.

You would be surprised how many women get upset if their husband shares any form of intimacy with another woman. No touching required.

Shall we have a "what is cheating" poll ;) ?

Lol that's not a surprise.

Maybe we should make a "what is not cheating" poll. Things that her husbands can do with another women without upsetting her. I think that will be more educational.

Lol that's not a surprise.

Maybe we should make a "what is not cheating" poll. Things that her husbands can do with another women without upsetting her. I think that will be more educational.

And very, very short.

I suggest the virtual clinic, and for Hells sake use a virtual condom next time.

Indeed. Do people here not remember the important lessons from Leisure Suit Larry 1 ?

Indeed. Do people here not remember the important lessons from Leisure Suit Larry 1 ?

When did that come out? In the 1990s?

You would be surprised how many women get upset if their husband shares any form of intimacy with another woman. No touching required.

Shall we have a "what is cheating" poll ;) ?

Uh yea, I get the point about the woman being upset but how in the hells is it worth losing real pussy over virtual one? Or even risking it. How can sex with a real person get so bad that a red-blooded male (an assumption mind you) would think for himself: "Hmm, let me just jeopardise my relationship with this chick by having a virtual female watch kneel down and stand up repeadetly in front of my virtual female, typing and reading cheesy erotic messages and whacking it in front of my computer to the fantasy of someone that is clearly a hot chick interested in cyb0rs3x0rz with me and surely NOT just another pathetic male loser like me. Yea you can rule that one right out."

Struggle for what?

Initially just to stay alive, now for purpose, happiness and love. I consider myself fortunate because I am not after any of that nonsense.

When did that come out? In the 1990s?

1987 ;) And not using a condom was... pretty bad for you.

Uh yea, I get the point about the woman being upset but how in the hells is it worth losing real pussy over virtual one?

The thrill ? The excitement ?
Hey - people earning 70k a year sometimes get fired because they found it necessary to steal stamps. Humans like doing illogical things. It sets us apart from our future machine overlords.

Done it not too long ago. It almost costed me my relationship. I don't think I'll do it again. It's not worth it.

I don't really judge cheating too much, life is too varied to judge.Fall-for-anything hippie. :p

MMmmm! Deanna Troi.....mmmm! I can really empathise with you.I met her - and although it's not vehement, she still denies there's any blue film breakthrough with her career. :)

Indeed. Do people here not remember the important lessons from Leisure Suit Larry 1 ?
Oh, i do, i DO!
*gloats over wardrobe and cologne*

Done it not too long ago. It almost costed me my relationship. I don't think I'll do it again. It's not worth it.

Interesting.

... Missed the boat.

Interesting.

... Missed the boat.

You know what I mean by that.

1987 ;) And not using a condom was... pretty bad for you.



The thrill ? The excitement ?
Hey - people earning 70k a year sometimes get fired because they found it necessary to steal stamps. Humans like doing illogical things. It sets us apart from our future machine overlords.

Good god. Man, that's really old. For what platform did it come out? And, I for one, welcome our future machine overlords.

I'm having an online affair with myself.

I'm having an online affair with myself.

Is that so?

I'm having an online affair with myself.

I am too. I am so hawt!:fluffle:

Is that so?
Yes. It's rather lonely. You'd be surprised at how many arguments there are, though.

I am too. I am so hawt!:fluffle:
And isn't great that your online partner shares all your interests?

And isn't great that your online partner shares all your interests?

Oh yes, it's amazing. We like the same food, the same music, the same sex positions and perversions. It's a match made in heaven, or hell if you like that sort of thing.

Oh yes, it's amazing. We like the same food, the same music, the same sex positions and perversions. It's a match made in heaven, or hell if you like that sort of thing.

And do you both like... peaches?

Yes. It's rather lonely. You'd be surprised at how many arguments there are, though.


And, what kind of arguments?

My GOD. I have to admit, I DO play on SecondLife. And as far as I'm concerned, it's no different than my fiance roleplaying/cybering/whatever with lamers on Furcadia and Yahoo chat --- pure, mindless entertainment, so long as it's in a healthy dose.

And, what kind of arguments?

That's between me and my partner.

And do you both like... peaches?

Oh my, yes. We both looooooove peaches. We eat them regularly from each other. What about you?

Oh my, yes. We both looooooove peaches. We eat them regularly from each other. What about you?

Quite fond of that particular fruit.

Quite fond of that particular fruit.

That's amazing. Long live the virtual affairs with one self!!:fluffle:

That's amazing. Long live the virtual affairs with one self!!:fluffle:

Sex with someone you love, lol.

Sex with someone you love, lol.

And no complications. ;)

I can see where the wife is coming from. Although there is no physical contact, the affair is still taking time and energy away from his relationship with her. That isn't really fair to her. If what you're doing (with another person) is having a negative affect on your relationship, then it's cheating.

I can see where the wife is coming from. Although there is no physical contact, the affair is still taking time and energy away from his relationship with her. That isn't really fair to her. If what you're doing (with another person) is having a negative affect on your relationship, then it's cheating.

I think it's fairly nonsensical to classify anything that "takes time and energy away from his relationship with her" as cheating. Such thing usually include things like...sleep, and jobs, and other friends, or really anything that doesn't involve being constantly in her presence.

I think it's fairly nonsensical to classify anything that "takes time and energy away from his relationship with her" as cheating. Such thing usually include things like...sleep, and jobs, and other friends, or really anything that doesn't involve being constantly in her presence.

*sigh* You know what I'm saying Neo...you're a lawyer so I hope that you don't need everything spelled out for you like a 3rd grader.

The nit picking may win you points in the courts, but it's annoying here.

*sigh* You know what I'm saying Neo...you're a lawyer so I hope that you don't need everything spelled out for you like a 3rd grader.

The nit picking may win you points in the courts, but it's annoying here.

If you want to be treated like an adult, try making a thoughtful, nuanced argument instead of speaking in sweeping generalities that aren't actually at all useful when trying to arrive at ethical solutions for thorny situations.

If you want to be treated like an adult, try making a thoughtful, nuanced argument instead of speaking in sweeping generalities that aren't actually at all useful when trying to arrive at ethical solutions for thorny situations.

Ok, for people who apparently do need things spelled things out for you.

Hobbies, sleeping, working, and basically hanging out with the buds. That generally does not have a negative impact on a relationship. Because even though we all love our significant other, they are annoying, and we need to spend time away from them.

However, if you're taking the "Us" time that you and your significant other are supposed to share, and having "Us" time with someone else, whether it's be in reality or in virtual, that is harmful to the relationship.

Get it, got it, good.

*sigh* You know what I'm saying Neo...you're a lawyer so I hope that you don't need everything spelled out for you like a 3rd grader.

The nit picking may win you points in the courts, but it's annoying here.

Your inability to clarify your own words on your part does not constitute a failure on mine.

You're right, I am a lawyer, and that means I have spent four years of college, three years of law school, an honors thesis, the LSATs, the MPRE, the bar, and years of professional development learning how to be a lawyer

And if I can do all that learning something which is, at its core, nothing more than learning how to make cogent, sophisticated, thoughtful, intelligent, and nuanced arguments, then I have precious little time, energy, and patience to spend on those who don't even try. And from what I've seen of your multiple attempts to take complex questions and attempt to reduce them to simple yes or no situations, that includes you.

Your inability to clarify your own words on your part does not constitute a failure on mine.

You're right, I am a lawyer, and that means I have spent four years of college, three years of law school, an honors thesis, the LSATs, the MPRE, the bar, and years of professional development learning how to be a lawyer

And if I can do all that learning something which is, at its core, nothing more than learning how to make cogent, sophisticated, thoughtful, intelligent, and nuanced arguments, then I have precious little time, energy, and patience to spend on those who don't even try. And from what I've seen of your multiple attempts to take complex questions and attempt to reduce them to simple yes or no situations, that includes you.

Well if your time is valuable, then why the Hell do you spend it on here?

Well if your time is valuable, then why the Hell do you spend it on here?

because there are those who have demonstrated a capacity of those things mentioned above, as such, it's entertaining. Don't presume that because I point out your poor attempts at arguments that somehow your point eludes me. I know what you're trying to say, Neesika knew what you were trying to say.

Don't pretend that your intellectualism is above us when we point out that you said it poorly.