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Under the Taliban, females were not allowed to go to school...it appears the sentiment has not disappeared (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7724505.stm).

Attackers in Afghanistan have sprayed acid in the faces of at least 15 girls near a school in Kandahar, police say.

"We were going to school on foot when two unknown people on a motorcycle came close to us and threw acid in our faces," 16-year-old Atifa told the BBC.

"I want to ask the government why they cannot protect us, we girls want to study but the government is not helping us. We want better security."


Violence alone simply doesn't solve the problem...how can you bring security to a place like Afghanistan? Or Iraq for that matter?

Under the Taliban, females were not allowed to go to school...it appears the sentiment has not disappeared (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7724505.stm).



Violence alone simply doesn't solve the problem...how can you bring security to a place like Afghanistan? Or Iraq for that matter?

This could have happened here. its not like the purchase of squirt guns and car batteries are restricted. This is sad I hope whoever is responsible is caught and made to answer for his crimes. I hope in the long run this does not deter girls from going to school in Afghanistan and I hope society comes to shun those responsible.

This could have happened here. its not like the purchase of squirt guns and car batteries are restricted. This is sad I hope whoever is responsible is caught and made to answer for his crimes. I hope in the long run this does not deter girls from going to school in Afghanistan and I hope society comes to shun those responsible.

I hope those psychopathic chauvinists wake up in female bodies. Poetic justice ftw.

I hope those psychopathic chauvinists wake up in female bodies. Poetic justice ftw.

if you believe in reincarnation.....

If they miss their old regime so much, I say we react to crime the way their old regime would have to other crimes.

I believe a public stoning is in order.

Violence alone simply doesn't solve the problem...how can you bring security to a place like Afghanistan? Or Iraq for that matter?

Police state, combined with generations long mandatory educational facilities. Kill, catch or suppress the retards, educate the newer generation to be less retarded, reap the benefits 30-40 years down the line.

if you believe in reincarnation.....

I do, but I was thinking more along the lines of them waking up tommorrow in female bodies...

I do, but I was thinking more along the lines of them waking up tommorrow in female bodies...

Why waste perfectly good boobies?

Hmm. Maybe we need to re-invade Afghanistan, until they learn by our example that it's OK to harm other people as long as you have the power to do so!

..I mean.

I do, but I was thinking more along the lines of them waking up tommorrow in female bodies...

well the CIA could keep them drugged fly them to Holland for a sex change then fly them back to Afghanistan.

Why waste perfectly good boobies?

It wouldn't be a waste, as it wouldn't affect the number of people who are currently female.

Hmm. Maybe we need to re-invade Afghanistan, until they learn by our example that it's OK to harm other people as long as you have the power to do so!

..I mean.

To be fair, Afghanistan had it coming.

It wouldn't be a waste, as it wouldn't affect the number of people who are currently female.

It would be extra boobies for the less scrupulous

It wouldn't be a waste, as it wouldn't affect the number of people who are currently female.

Let me rephase.

Why reincarnate them as a human? Thats a waste of humans, and then we have to treat them well. Why not a cockroach or something?

Let me rephase.

Why reincarnate them as a human? Thats a waste of humans, and then we have to treat them well. Why not a cockroach or something?

we have moved beyond reincarnation we are now on surgical alteration.

Let me rephase.

Why reincarnate them as a human? Thats a waste of humans, and then we have to treat them well. Why not a cockroach or something?

Because reincarnating Taliban wannabes as cockroaches will offend Kafka fans.

And cockroaches.

It just breaks the heart really.

How was slavery stopped (sure it goes on but you know what I mean), time and pressure, time and pressure.

we have moved beyond reincarnation we are now on surgical alteration.

Ok, so take their manhood but dont give them a new gender. Women dont deserve to have these fucks among their number.

Ok, so take their manhood but dont give them a new gender. Women dont deserve to have these fucks among their number.

I was thinking give them the new gender but still keep them in a male prison.

Let me rephase.

Why reincarnate them as a human? Thats a waste of humans, and then we have to treat them well. Why not a cockroach or something?

Because, optimally, it'll occur BEFORE they die and get reincarnated.

That, and cockroaches aren't smart enough to realize that they were grade-A assholes.

Under the Taliban, females were not allowed to go to school...it appears the sentiment has not disappeared (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7724505.stm).



Violence alone simply doesn't solve the problem...how can you bring security to a place like Afghanistan? Or Iraq for that matter?

Tough question. This is horrible, though.

Not only were they attacked merely for wanting an education, but in a particularly vicious manner. Disgusting.

But of course, what to do about it? How do you solve the issue? More police? Afghanistan is already having a hard time controlling the land outside the city of Kabul.

Afghanistan, I think, is one of the saddest cases. Before the Soviet war, it wasn't all that fucked up. It's always depressing to me when things were better in a country thirty years ago than they are now.

Police state, combined with generations long mandatory educational facilities. Kill, catch or suppress the retards, educate the newer generation to be less retarded, reap the benefits 30-40 years down the line.

I hope this isn't necessary, though I fear it might be.

I hope those psychopathic chauvinists wake up in female bodies. Poetic justice ftw.

You know that, by the time they are allowed to reincarnate, women will be in charge.

You know that, by the time they are allowed to reincarnate, women will be in charge.

I, for one, welcome our female overlords. Overladies rather. Whichever they prefer.

I hope this isn't necessary, though I fear it might be.

You want to get rid of retarded ideologies like this, you have to crush it ruthlessly. You don't get rid of cancer by talking nicely to it. You isolate it, excise the affected part, and you destroy it.

You want to get rid of retarded ideologies like this, you have to crush it ruthlessly. You don't get rid of cancer by talking nicely to it. You isolate it, excise the affected part, and you destroy it.

The problem is that even if there is a legitimate purpose to a brutal regime, they usually outlive it.

You know that, by the time they are allowed to reincarnate, women will be in charge.

What makes you think that they'll reincarnate in afghanistan... or on earth, for that matter?

:eek2:well the CIA could keep them drugged fly them to Holland for a sex change then fly them back to Afghanistan.

Wait. We just agreed on something :eek:

horrible things go on in many places for many reasons. things any responsible person of good conscience would on first impulse wish despirately to put a lasting end to.

beating drums for prejudice is often built upon such instances.

i think, i really would prefer, to prevent anyone causing any suffering to anyone, and it is not my intent to restrain the hand that would aid somehow in preventing it.

but certain observations of reality are also in order, principally that the use of military force as a reaction to civil inequities, is a bit like trying to preform brain surgery with a cold chisle and spike maul.

i'm not suggesting such problems are insoluable either, only that they require intelligent solutions, not blind lashing out with brute force.

force perhapse, but only where it can actually be directed by the wise, on the ground, in full cognizance of all subtleties and pertinent details.

the above was my reaction to the subject on general terms

"well the CIA could keep them drugged fly them to Holland for a sex change then fly them back to Afghanistan."

i like that. expensive, and probably impractical on a large scale, yet the appeal is not so much for the undeniable, at least appearant, "poetic justice", as it is for the very real possibility, that were it to be done, the RESAULTS just MIGHT be interesting as well.

the real government there, is not in the capitol western forces have set up, but something called, i forget for sure, i keep wanting to think "jurga" but i don't for sure remember if that's the name for it or i got that from somewhere else. anyway, afghanistan has had for milinea a kind of u.n. of tribal groups and authorities, that has often succeeded when outside influences have failed.

and i believe it to be the key to accompleshing anything there.

We should re-socialize the whole male population to prevent anything like this from ever happening again.

This could have happened here. its not like the purchase of squirt guns and car batteries are restricted. This is sad I hope whoever is responsible is caught and made to answer for his crimes. I hope in the long run this does not deter girls from going to school in Afghanistan and I hope society comes to shun those responsible.

Yeah, but in the US it would have more of a gender equality sense to it, that is boys and girls would have been sprayed.

The problem with Afghanistan is that everyone messed it up, and the Afghanis helped too. In the early period it was the Muslims and the Chinese. Then came the Mongols. Then periods of warfare amongst the local tribes. Followed by the British - the "gents" who brought the World India-Pakistan conflict. Then the Russians. After centuries of either being f*cked up be foreigners, or F*cking each other, in came the US Army. Should be interesting. I hope that Obama will make a difference, but I'm not too optimistic on this one.

The problem is that even if there is a legitimate purpose to a brutal regime, they usually outlive it.

Because brutal regimes with legitimate reasons tend to last only as long as someone with more greed than sense figures out how to work the system to their advantage and get their corrupt arses into power.

You would need a system run by someone capable and willing to do what needs to be done, with an enforcement branch utterly loyal to that person.

Yeah, but in the US it would have more of a gender equality sense to it, that is boys and girls would have been sprayed.

The problem with Afghanistan is that everyone messed it up, and the Afghanis helped too. In the early period it was the Muslims and the Chinese. Then came the Mongols. Then periods of warfare amongst the local tribes. Followed by the British - the "gents" who brought the World India-Pakistan conflict. Then the Russians. After centuries of either being f*cked up be foreigners, or F*cking each other, in came the US Army.

one more you left out, although i'm sure there are more i don't know about too.

alexander 'the great' marching through to attack india, and tearing things up going both ways.

Under the Taliban, females were not allowed to go to school...it appears the sentiment has not disappeared (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7724505.stm).
Aye this is pretty fucking lame.
Violence alone simply doesn't solve the problem...how can you bring security to a place like Afghanistan? Or Iraq for that matter?
Help the Iraqis and Afghanis build up their own security forces in peace so that they can feasibly take on people who want to fuck up their countries to push their very backwards agendas.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7714828.stm - this is a pretty interesting article, mostly because the only people interviewed who want a troop pullout are guilty-feeling white people. Violence isn't going to solve the issue, but nor is leaving your country defenceless against militiamen when you're taking on pretty radical reforms in society.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7714828.stm - this is a pretty interesting article, mostly because the only people interviewed who want a troop pullout are guilty-feeling white people. Violence isn't going to solve the issue, but nor is leaving your country defenceless against militiamen when you're taking on pretty radical reforms in society.

The saddest part is, these radical reforms are so radical because they aren't radical.

Does that make sense?

The saddest part is, these radical reforms are so radical because they aren't radical.

Does that make sense?
Aye it does. Theocratic regimes are pish.

Aye it does. Theocratic regimes are pish.

Wasn't sure, I had to read it three times lol.

Under the Taliban, females were not allowed to go to school...it appears the sentiment has not disappeared (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7724505.stm).



Violence alone simply doesn't solve the problem...how can you bring security to a place like Afghanistan? Or Iraq for that matter?

Short term requires asses on the ground, medium to long involves building a genuine independent local government and forces loyal to it. Bit of a nightmare to try in the Afghan context.

Under the Taliban, females were not allowed to go to school...it appears the sentiment has not disappeared (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7724505.stm).



Violence alone simply doesn't solve the problem...how can you bring security to a place like Afghanistan? Or Iraq for that matter?

You essentially have to take a place over for 50 years (enough to educate two new generations).

It's the education, and the replacement of their cultural structures that has to take place.

Of course, since you're descended from First People, you have some idea of how well or badly that works out - having an alien culture step on your culture and essentially destroy or trivialize it. However, look around and see how differently you live compared to your ancestors - the replacement does take place.

I hope those psychopathic chauvinists wake up in female bodies. Poetic justice ftw.

*Looks up "Wizards" in the Yellow Pages*

Spray the assailant's faces with whatever base neutralizes the acid used on the girls.

Spray the assailant's faces with whatever base neutralizes the acid used on the girls.

That would be all of them. Basic Chemistry fail.

*Looks up "Wizards" in the Yellow Pages*

If you find one, ask them if they take apprentices.

one more you left out, although i'm sure there are more i don't know about too.

alexander 'the great' marching through to attack india, and tearing things up going both ways.Actually, the Greek period was a distinct high point in their history, one of very few.

Let me rephase.

Why reincarnate them as a human? Thats a waste of humans, and then we have to treat them well. Why not a cockroach or something?

History begs to differ on that score.

That would be all of them. Basic Chemistry fail.

I assume they mean the base that neutralizes it in a 1:1 ratio.

We should avoid putting Iraq and Afghanistan in the same context. Before we showed up, Iraq had a solid and thriving urbanized culture with widespread education for both sexes. If we can stop destroying it and antagonizing everybody left alive there, it is possible for them to rebuild that. In a country like Iraq, the best bet to keep radical religious/terrorist nuts from gaining ground/credence/power is to support ever growing economic stability and personal liberty and affluence. The more secure people feel in their lives, the less likely they are to support "strong man" style leaders.

Afghanistan, however, never had such a modern social structure. I recently heard one retired US military officer remark that we could pour resources and personnel into Afghanistan for ten years, be wildly successful, and have moved them all the way from the 13th into the 14th century. An entirely different approach has to be taken in places like that -- a much more personal one that, perhaps, has much more to do with changing the minds of local tribal leaders than with establishing a westernized social/economic model.

My point is that the Taliban is something different in Afghanistan than it would be in Iraq, and much harder to root out of the former than it would be in the latter. The willingness to change their thinking about morals, gender, etc, has to come from the tribal level, or it will not come at all. There is no living circumstance that could be set up that would create a bad environment for that kind of brutal intolerance.

Under the Taliban, females were not allowed to go to school...it appears the sentiment has not disappeared (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7724505.stm).



Violence alone simply doesn't solve the problem...how can you bring security to a place like Afghanistan? Or Iraq for that matter?

Alexander the Great was the only one to finally pacify Afghanistan, and that took brutal suppression, constant blood, and finally marrying one of their tribal princesses.

So clearly, Obama has to ditch his wife, marry a pashtun tribal princess, shortly after slaughtering lots of Afghanis. That's about the only thing that's been proven to work.

Violence alone simply doesn't solve the problem...how can you bring security to a place like Afghanistan? Or Iraq for that matter?

Define security. What is an example of a nation that does have "security"?

Afghanistan:

Getting fucked over by some form of assholes since '78.

Afghanistan:

Getting fucked over by some form of assholes since 329 BC.

Fixed

I assume they mean the base that neutralizes it in a 1:1 ratio.

Exactly.

Exactly.

1:1 Molar ratio?
1:1 Mass ratio?
1:1 Volume ratio?

Fixed

Afghanistan appears to be quite possibly the shittiest country that has ever existed.

This could have happened here. its not like the purchase of squirt guns and car batteries are restricted. This is sad I hope whoever is responsible is caught and made to answer for his crimes. I hope in the long run this does not deter girls from going to school in Afghanistan and I hope society comes to shun those responsible.

"Made to answer for his crimes?"

That won't take away the issue or their pain. It may have happpened in a different country, but it didn't. It happened in Afghanistan. And their reasons for doing it probably weren't the same as the reason someone in America might have done it, for example. The hatred towards women and the fear/anger of them studying is unlike anything experienced in the modern Western world. You can't expect it to be the same situation as if it happened in your own back yard.

:eek2:

Wait. We just agreed on something :eek:

just need your half of the aisle to approve funding for the secret CIA program called sex changes for sexist assholes in Afghanistan. We need about 1 billion dollars given there are a lot of assholes there. And I assume you will never consider this torture.

just need your half of the aisle to approve funding for the secret CIA program called sex changes for sexist assholes in Afghanistan. We need about 1 billion dollars given there are a lot of assholes there. And I assume you will never consider this torture.

Of course not. What's so bad about being female? We're giving them an opportunity for new life experiences.

"Made to answer for his crimes?"

That won't take away the issue or their pain. It may have happpened in a different country, but it didn't. It happened in Afghanistan. And their reasons for doing it probably weren't the same as the reason someone in America might have done it, for example. The hatred towards women and the fear/anger of them studying is unlike anything experienced in the modern Western world. You can't expect it to be the same situation as if it happened in your own back yard.

Not just in Afghanistan. Acid attacks happen through out Asia and not jsut the Muslim countries. The idea is you make the female unmarriageable by destroying her looks. I remember a few years back a woman in China had this happen, for havering the gull to get a divorce from a abusive husband.
common practice since the modern world of chemistry to happen in areas where woman's rights are not ingrained into the culture. I think it could have been possible in the US if Chemistry had advanced a little faster and society had advanced a little slower.


As for justice. realistically the girl's family would likely cut off their heads. Ideally CIA flies them to Holland gives them a sex change flies them back to Afghanistan to serve time in a male prison.

Of course not. What's so bad about being female? We're giving them an opportunity for new life experiences.

read the rest of my post they are serving out time in a male prison as a female.

1 word, 1 solution: Imperialism.

To solve the overpopulation, gender & social inequality in Middle East and most of Asia & Africa we - the west - need to conquer and subjugate those countries and haul them with no remorse to 21st century.


Of course if that's too brutal or expensive then there's the slower way which also comprises of 1 word: Education.


Hmm, on the other hand...I'd probably still opt for carpet bombing for the sake of our Western Lifestyle and the resources it needs! :eek:

one more you left out, although i'm sure there are more i don't know about too.

alexander 'the great' marching through to attack india, and tearing things up going both ways.

I didn't go all the way back to B.C. - but thank you for the addition :)

just need your half of the aisle to approve funding for the secret CIA program called sex changes for sexist assholes in Afghanistan. We need about 1 billion dollars given there are a lot of assholes there. And I assume you will never consider this torture.

Just need your half of the isle to not get caught. And 1 billion dollars? Wouldn't it be cheaper to oursource to China? And remember, no Congressional Page stuff, don't give them ideas. Seriously though, 1 billion? That's a lot. Let's just target the leaders - it'll be enough for poetic justice. $10 million.

read the rest of my post they are serving out time in a male prison as a female.

Prison = new experience. Besides, we're not putting them in prison, their former underlings are!

Just need your half of the isle to not get caught. And 1 billion dollars? Wouldn't it be cheaper to oursource to China? And remember, no Congressional Page stuff, don't give them ideas. Seriously though, 1 billion? That's a lot. Let's just target the leaders - it'll be enough for poetic justice. $10 million.

all offenders. we need equality under law. besides the CIA might have some other needs in support of the spirit of this law.

all offenders. we need equality under law. besides the CIA might have some other needs in support of the spirit of this law.

We have equality of oppurtunity. And "some other needs" is exactly what my side of the aisle would be a tad worried about. So $10 million, take it or leave it.

We have equality of oppurtunity. And "some other needs" is exactly what my side of the aisle would be a tad worried about. So $10 million, take it or leave it.

this out source to china thing. Given china's lack of women they may sell these "new women" off to be brides. or prostitutes. I don't know whats worse. raped in Afghan prison or wife of some dirt poor Chinese farmer.