NationStates Jolt Archive


Military members

Gaeltach
11-11-2008, 19:14
The combination of Veteran's Day and a strong military community on another website I frequent made me curious. How many NSers out there are serving their countries? To all of you past and present, here's a chance to sound off.

Gaeltach
Country/Branch: United States Air Force
Commission/Enlistment date: May 2006
MOS/Job: Combat Communications
Western Mercenary Unio
11-11-2008, 19:18
Will be in the Defense Forces. Hopefully as either air cavarly, some position in an MBT(Finland has Leoprd 2's) or as a fighter pilot. But infantry would be okay.
Hotwife
11-11-2008, 19:18
Hotwife
US Army
Enlisted May 1987
MOS: 11B
Gaeltach
11-11-2008, 19:19
Will be in the Defense Forces. Hopefully as either air cavarly, some position in an MBT(Finland has Leoprd 2's) or as a fighter pilot. But infantry would be okay.
Good luck with that! I tried to fly either the A-10 or a Blackhawk, but my vision wasn't good enough. I might get PRK and try again someday, but I'm really enjoying the world of combat comm right now.
Neesika
11-11-2008, 19:19
Oh :( I thought this was going to be military porn.
Neesika
11-11-2008, 19:21
The combination of Veteran's Day and a strong military community on another website I frequent made me curious. How many NSers out there are serving their countries? To all of you past and present, here's a chance to sound off.

Gaeltach
Country/Branch: United States Air Force
Commission/Enlistment date: May 2006
MOS/Job: Combat Communications
Can I ask...male or female?
Hotwife
11-11-2008, 19:21
Oh :( I thought this was going to be military porn.

I'm not allowed to post those pics.
Gaeltach
11-11-2008, 19:22
Can I ask...male or female?

I'm all woman.
Gaeltach
11-11-2008, 19:23
I'm not allowed to post those pics.

You tease. :tongue: What's 11B? I'm not up on my Army MOS.
Hotwife
11-11-2008, 19:24
You tease. :tongue: What's 11B? I'm not up on my Army MOS.

Infantry.
Kulikovia
11-11-2008, 19:26
Kulikovia
Country/Branch: United States Navy
Commission/Enlistment date: June 2006
MOS/Job: Master-at-Arms
Neesika
11-11-2008, 19:26
I'm all woman.

Cool, thought so from the thread last night.
Gaeltach
11-11-2008, 19:27
Infantry.

Nice! I just had two of my Capt friends do the whole Blue to Green thing into infantry. They're loving it.
South Lorenya
11-11-2008, 19:57
DragonAtma
US Democratic Party
Registered: 1997
Job: Helping to vote far-right psychopaths out of office every november

...Don't give me that look! You know my job is nearly as important as military jobs!
greed and death
11-11-2008, 20:16
Military veteran here. MOS 25s Satellite communications.
1999-2005
The imperian empire
11-11-2008, 20:46
I'm looking to Join the Military. I'm getting military funding to get into Uni.

Hopefully,

Royal British Army
Officer
Mechanised Infantry, Paratroopers, Helicopter Infantry.

Or

RAF Fast Jet Pilot.

Obviously this only my career aims at the moment, but hopefully it will work out.
Gaeltach
11-11-2008, 21:35
I'm looking to Join the Military. I'm getting military funding to get into Uni.

Hopefully,

Royal British Army
Officer
Mechanised Infantry, Paratroopers, Helicopter Infantry.

Or

RAF Fast Jet Pilot.

Obviously this only my career aims at the moment, but hopefully it will work out.
Best of luck to you. We had the RAF coming down to use our airstrip a few times a year and your jets are louder than ours. Which sucked for me, in that the troops I had at the time had their office practically beside the runway. :tongue:
Gaeltach
11-11-2008, 21:37
Military veteran here. MOS 25s Satellite communications.
1999-2005

Aw, I love SATCOMers. All my favorite troops have been either SATCOM or Wire Dawgs.
The imperian empire
11-11-2008, 21:40
Best of luck to you. We had the RAF coming down to use our airstrip a few times a year and your jets are louder than ours. Which sucked for me, in that the troops I had at the time had their office practically beside the runway. :tongue:

Lol, Germany right?

You use the same Tornado's and Eurofighter's we use ^^ Possibly its a different Engine, I know in the EF we use Rolls Royce engines. But I thought they were all the same.

Maybe the pilots like to rev em up! lol :p

(Unless we are going back a few years here)
greed and death
11-11-2008, 21:44
Aw, I love SATCOMers. All my favorite troops have been either SATCOM or Wire Dawgs.

That's a pretty broad spectrum The highest ASVAB score requirement MOS in the Army versus the lowest ASVAB score required MOS in signal.
Gaeltach
11-11-2008, 21:45
Lol, Germany right?

You use the same Tornado's and Eurofighter's we use ^^ Possibly its a different Engine, I know in the EF we use Rolls Royce engines. But I thought they were all the same.

Maybe the pilots like to rev em up! lol :p

(Unless we are going back a few years here)

Well considering I'm a US servicewoman, we had A-10s and F-16s at that base. :D But I think it was the Italians that brought the Tornado's down from time to time, and I freaking hated that airframe. (Also I need to change my location.. I just recently PCS'ed from Germany back to the States.)
Gaeltach
11-11-2008, 21:47
That's a pretty broad spectrum The highest ASVAB score requirement MOS in the Army versus the lowest ASVAB score required MOS in signal.
Exactly why they were fun! A bunch of bored smart troops were just about as unpredictable as any random group of DAWGS, which usually led to very entertaining scenarios.
greed and death
11-11-2008, 21:51
Exactly why they were fun! A bunch of bored smart troops were just about as unpredictable as any random group of DAWGS, which usually led to very entertaining scenarios.

The question is do I really want to know????
Tarantum
11-11-2008, 21:57
Tarantum
US Army
December 2006
MOS 13P - MLRS Fire Direction Specialist
No Names Left Damn It
11-11-2008, 22:06
I'd like to join the SAS, so I'd have to get through the army first, but I need to brush up on my language skills and increase my fitness that extra notch.
No Names Left Damn It
11-11-2008, 22:07
Will be in the Defense Forces.

You're 13. How can you say what you will be? Anything could happen in the next few years.
Gaeltach
11-11-2008, 22:09
You're 13. How can you say what you will be? Anything could happen in the next few years.

What's wrong with having a goal? Geez, when I was 13, I was either going to be a marine biologist, or an astrophysicist.
Vampire Knight Zero
11-11-2008, 22:09
When I was 13 I wanted to be a Paeleontologist. :D
Hydesland
11-11-2008, 22:10
I'd like to join the SAS, so I'd have to get through the army first, but I need to brush up on my language skills and increase my fitness that extra notch.

It's extremely difficult to get into, with only around a 10% pass rate for those accepted into training and recruitment. You have to show exceptional talent in your previous service as well I believe.
No Names Left Damn It
11-11-2008, 22:10
What's wrong with having a goal? Geez, when I was 13, I was either going to be a marine biologist, or an astrophysicist.

Nothing at all, it's just he said he will be, not he wants to be. Even now I can't say I will be, when I think I could definitely enter the standard army itself. Anything could happen before then, and also after then to stop me getting into the SAS.
No Names Left Damn It
11-11-2008, 22:11
It's extremely difficult to get into, with only around a 10% pass rate for those accepted into training and recruitment. You have to show exceptional talent in your previous service as well I believe.

I know. Hence the knock up the fitness part.
Imbrinium
11-11-2008, 22:11
Thanks for those who support the military.

I'm in the military now waiting to hear when i'm headed back overseas.

Mos:
19 delta Cav scout
18 Delta Special forces medic
19 kilo M1A1 crewmember learned real quick tanks suck
Hydesland
11-11-2008, 22:11
I know. Hence the knock up the fitness part.

Yeah but I think that's understating it a bit.
Gaeltach
11-11-2008, 22:12
I'd like to join the SAS, so I'd have to get through the army first, but I need to brush up on my language skills and increase my fitness that extra notch.

I harbor no great love for the SAS but that's more due to old family grievances more than anything else. I'd like to get into some sort of special ops myself one day, but I've got that whole being female thing playing against me.
No Names Left Damn It
11-11-2008, 22:12
Yeah but I think that's understating it a bit.

Yeah but I didn't really want to write out everything that's needed to get into the SAS in my post.
No Names Left Damn It
11-11-2008, 22:13
I harbor no great love for the SAS but that's more due to old family grievances more than anything else.

Was a family member killed by the SAS?
Gaeltach
11-11-2008, 22:16
Was a family member killed by the SAS?
Yes.
Vampire Knight Zero
11-11-2008, 22:17
Was a family member killed by the SAS?

Erm... yeah, thats a sensitive way to ask. Silly Adu-San.
No Names Left Damn It
11-11-2008, 22:17
Yes.

And your name is Gaeltach, so I'm assuming in Northern Ireland during the Troubles?
No Names Left Damn It
11-11-2008, 22:18
Erm... yeah, thats a sensitive way to ask. Silly Adu-San.

I was just asking, I didn't mean to sound insensitive at all.
Gaeltach
11-11-2008, 22:20
And you're name is Gaeltach, so I'm assuming in Northern Ireland during the Troubles?

Yes. There's two sides to every story though, so I'd really rather not get into it just now. God knows I've been through that argument often enough on these forums.
No Names Left Damn It
11-11-2008, 22:22
Yes. There's two sides to every story though, so I'd really rather not get into it just now.

OK, that's fine.
Vampire Knight Zero
11-11-2008, 22:23
OK, that's fine.

This is why Adu-San is awesome - he knows when to stop. :)

*Gives Adu-San cookie*
No Names Left Damn It
11-11-2008, 22:26
This is why Adu-San is awesome - he knows when to stop. :)

*Gives Adu-San cookie*

I actually don't, but when I'm told not to I don't keep pressing, as you know.

*Takes cookie anyway, but complains about foul Americanism*
Dyakovo
11-11-2008, 22:33
Dyakovo
Country/Branch: United States Army National Guard
Commission/Enlistment date: Mar 1987
MOS/Job: 19K Tank Crewman
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Country/Branch: United States Marine Corps
Commission/Enlistment date: Jan 1988
MOS/Job: 0331/8152 (Heavy machine gunner / Security Forces)
Dundee-Fienn
11-11-2008, 22:33
Got myself an undergraduate cadetship so :

Royal Army Medical Corps
2Lt
Medical Student
No Names Left Damn It
11-11-2008, 22:38
United States Marine Corps

How hard is the USMC to get into?
Gaeltach
11-11-2008, 22:40
Dyakovo
Country/Branch: United States Army National Guard
Commission/Enlistment date: Mar 1987
MOS/Job: 19K Tank Crewman
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Country/Branch: United States Marine Corps
Commission/Enlistment date: Jan 1988
MOS/Job: 0331/8152 (Heavy machine gunner / Security Forces)

My dad is a retired Marine. Semper Fi!
The imperian empire
11-11-2008, 22:45
Well considering I'm a US servicewoman, we had A-10s and F-16s at that base. :D But I think it was the Italians that brought the Tornado's down from time to time, and I freaking hated that airframe. (Also I need to change my location.. I just recently PCS'ed from Germany back to the States.)

Aww, your location fooled me!

If you think the Tornado is loud, Eurofighter is just wow, and a Harrier whilst hovering. =]
Dyakovo
11-11-2008, 22:47
How hard is the USMC to get into?
No harder than the other branches, you walk up to the recruiter and tell him you want in...

I know, I know, that's not what you meant...
Boot camp is tough, but certainly doable, you just have to realize that they are going to do their damndest to push you to your breaking point both physically and mentally, but then the same thing can be said of Army Basic training, Marine DI's are just better at it.
My dad is a retired Marine. Semper Fi!
Do or Die!
:D
Gaeltach
11-11-2008, 22:49
Aww, your location fooled me!

If you think the Tornado is loud, Eurofighter is just wow, and a Harrier whilst hovering. =]

Yeah, I've heard the F-22 and the 35 are pretty bad too. We have AWACS where I'm at now, as well as TACAMO, and the occasional B-1. The AWACS is just painful. I love when the Navy is flying, because their planes are quiet by comparison. Especially when we're out in the field, which just happens to be directly in the path of most approaches.
Chernobyl-Pripyat
11-11-2008, 23:36
Chernobyl-Pripyat
Country/Branch: Russian Federation, Motor Rifle Forces
Commission/Enlistment date: [conscription]November 1999- August 2001, [voluntary service]2005-2007
MOS/Job: Infantry both times


And then next year I'm going to try to get into the VDV
Call to power
12-11-2008, 00:02
Call to Power
Country/Branch: Great Britain
Commission/Enlistment date: July 2006-
MOS/Job:
RAMC: Combat Medic 2006-07
The Glorious 3 Royal Anglian Regiment: Combat infantryman 07-present

so whos going to be pissing in my letterbox tonight?

Infantry.

MOS/Job: Infantry both times

I thought I was the only one who was hardcore enough >.>

I'd like to join the SAS, so I'd have to get through the army first, but I need to brush up on my language skills and increase my fitness that extra notch.

go into TA SAS and transfer when they let you (why you would want to is another question)

you will need to attend every other weekend training excercise for a year but they will handle transport* and pay you enough to quit your day job

*an anecdote is a guy from Northern island used to get a helicopter lift

Got myself an undergraduate cadetship so

OTC?

And then next year I'm going to try to get into the VDV

pfft am I the only one who hates camping?

yes I'm hoping of getting into Admin shhh :p
Lunatic Goofballs
12-11-2008, 00:05
Lunatic Goofballs
United States Navy
1992-1997
Electronic Warfare Technician.
The imperian empire
12-11-2008, 00:06
I'm surprised at the lack of pilots here :( It's just meeee really, and I'm only hoping to be one :p (it is looking like it will work out ^^)
Fartsniffage
12-11-2008, 00:07
go into TA SAS and transfer when they let you (why you would want to is another question)

you will need to attend every other weekend training excercise for a year but they will handle transport* and pay you enough to quit your day job

*an anecdote is a guy from Northern island used to get a helicopter lift

I tried out for TA SAS, it's not easy.

I lasted until day 4 and I was fit as anything.

The only advice I would give you No Names Left is that no matter how fit you are you aren't there yet and your mental state must be much stronger than your body.
Fartsniffage
12-11-2008, 00:12
I'm surprised at the lack of pilots here :( It's just meeee really, and I'm only hoping to be one :p (it is looking like it will work out ^^)

While I was i CCF I got a Flying Scolarship and a Sixth Form Scolarship from the RAF. I was turned down on aircrew selection due to a slight problem with the hearing in my right ear.

All I can say about the selection process is that it's more fun than you think and DON'T move your chair when you go in for the interview with the 2 senior ranks. Looking out of the window at the planes going past is ok though, the guys interviewing you are both propellor heads anyway so they'll be doing the same thing. ;)
Call to power
12-11-2008, 00:16
I'm surprised at the lack of pilots here :(

there all far too busy sending their laundry towards the frontline :tongue:

I tried out for TA SAS, it's not easy.

well its not exactly full of people with wives and children is it?
Imbrinium
12-11-2008, 00:16
I'm surprised at the lack of pilots here :( It's just meeee really, and I'm only hoping to be one :p (it is looking like it will work out ^^)

We forgive you for being a pilot. Just kidding lots of respect god knows you guys have saved my ass a few times.
Vault 10
12-11-2008, 01:52
The combination of Veteran's Day and a strong military community on another website I frequent made me curious. How many NSers out there are serving their countries?
A.
Navy.
1998 if counting NROTC.
O-3.
1110.
Bitchkitten
12-11-2008, 01:54
I was rejected by the military because of my eyes. But my sister, brother, mother and father all served in the army. Mom was buried in June with full military honors.
Gaeltach
12-11-2008, 04:39
A.
Navy.
1998 if counting NROTC.
O-3.
1110.

I just pinned O-2 back in June. Where did you do your NROTC?
Mirkana
12-11-2008, 05:22
I'd like to join the IDF in the future (after making aliyah, presumably).

Also, surprised we haven't had someone on here calling you all murderers.
Gauntleted Fist
12-11-2008, 05:29
I'm enlisting as soon as I turn eighteen. :p
Which is next February.

Branch: Active Army.
MOS (Hopefuls): 18X or 35P.

I really wanted to fly an Apache one day, but my vision is nowhere near good enough.
greed and death
12-11-2008, 05:38
I'm enlisting as soon as I turn eighteen. :p
Which is next February.

Branch: Active Army.
MOS (Hopefuls): 18X or 35P.

I really wanted to fly an Apache one day, but my vision is nowhere near good enough.

Get laser eye surgery before you ever go in. And never let the military know you've had it.
Neo Art
12-11-2008, 05:41
How many NSers out there are serving their countries?

I serve my country each and every day. I swore an oath to uphold the constitution of the united states when I signed the roll of lawyers, I contribute to the government coffers through earning a taxable income. I participate in the political process and help shape the government.

Where did this notion come from that to "serve your country" you must be in the military? How utterly insulting to the millions of people who work to make this country a better place, without feeling the need to pick up a gun.
Gauntleted Fist
12-11-2008, 05:47
Get laser eye surgery before you ever go in. And never let the military know you've had it.My eye doctor won't even let me have it until I turn eighteen*. And then I'd have to wait two years before I join, if I got it.

*Yes, I listen to the professionals. :p
greed and death
12-11-2008, 06:02
My eye doctor won't even let me have it until I turn eighteen*. And then I'd have to wait two years before I join, if I got it.

*Yes, I listen to the professionals. :p

Don't tell them they wont know. the MEPS medical exam is a big bluff. If you don't say anything about it they really cant find out about it. The US doesn't keep a big data base on your medical records. and doctors wont release them with out a court order even to the government.
Gauntleted Fist
12-11-2008, 06:05
Don't tell them they wont know. the MEPS medical exam is a big bluff. If you don't say anything about it they really cant find out about it. The US doesn't keep a big data base on your medical records. and doctors wont release them with out a court order even to the government.Eh, I'll try more legal means, first. I could always do the Navy program if I can't stand it.
Anti-Social Darwinism
12-11-2008, 08:16
I'm not military, but my kids are/were.

My son - US Navy, ETII during Desert Storm
My daughter then - US Navy, ISIII During Desert Storm
My daughter now - US Air Force, 1Lt, Public Health Officer
greed and death
12-11-2008, 08:33
I serve my country each and every day. I swore an oath to uphold the constitution of the united states when I signed the roll of lawyers, I contribute to the government coffers through earning a taxable income. I participate in the political process and help shape the government.

Where did this notion come from that to "serve your country" you must be in the military? How utterly insulting to the millions of people who work to make this country a better place, without feeling the need to pick up a gun.

First, that term is common use to refer to military service, as such is a figure of speech. To be insulted by a common figure of speech is rather childish and remove such a term ,would deprive our language of much flexibility and creativity.

Second forgive us if it feels like we undervalue lawyers. Military service is an additional duty to normal daily work. The military is made up of lawyers doctors, technicians and so on who in addition to the normal rigors of such jobs place duty to their country above all. This duty takes precedent over ideology and personal gain. No matter who the president is we obey his orders.
greed and death
12-11-2008, 08:35
Eh, I'll try more legal means, first. I could always do the Navy program if I can't stand it.

To my knowledge the army flight program is the easiest on medical exam issues. I am just saying follow Clinton's orders DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
Dundee-Fienn
12-11-2008, 09:34
OTC?


Not quite. I get £14k in third year (rises each year) + tuition fees + £150 for books in exchange for 5 years service on the completion of FY2
Dyakovo
12-11-2008, 09:41
I serve my country each and every day. I swore an oath to uphold the constitution of the united states when I signed the roll of lawyers, I contribute to the government coffers through earning a taxable income. I participate in the political process and help shape the government.

Where did this notion come from that to "serve your country" you must be in the military? How utterly insulting to the millions of people who work to make this country a better place, without feeling the need to pick up a gun.

Feeling a tad bit touchy?
Risottia
12-11-2008, 09:53
I serve my country each and every day. I swore an oath to uphold the constitution of the united states when I signed the roll of lawyers, I contribute to the government coffers through earning a taxable income. I participate in the political process and help shape the government.

Where did this notion come from that to "serve your country" you must be in the military? How utterly insulting to the millions of people who work to make this country a better place, without feeling the need to pick up a gun.

I don't feel insulted, anyway you got a BIG point. When I was drafted, I asked civilian service and was assigned to it. I don't think that I served my country less than those who were assigned to armed service.
Eofaerwic
12-11-2008, 11:51
I harbor no great love for the SAS but that's more due to old family grievances more than anything else. I'd like to get into some sort of special ops myself one day, but I've got that whole being female thing playing against me.

Shame you're not in the British Forces then, I believe the Special Reconnaissance Regiment which does special ops intelligence work takes both male and female members.

My eye doctor won't even let me have it until I turn eighteen*. And then I'd have to wait two years before I join, if I got it.

*Yes, I listen to the professionals. :p

May take longer. I'm 24 and still can't have eye treatment as my eyesight is still deteriorating. Although hopefully it's stabilizing

Which is also the reason I am not and can not serve in the armed forces (my eye-sight is really just that bad).
Western Mercenary Unio
12-11-2008, 11:54
You're 13. How can you say what you will be? Anything could happen in the next few years.

Conscription. Every man has to serve in the military if they don't take unarmed service. I think,I will go to the military. Although my dream is an astrophycist job
Gaeltach
12-11-2008, 13:08
My eye doctor won't even let me have it until I turn eighteen*. And then I'd have to wait two years before I join, if I got it.

*Yes, I listen to the professionals. :p

I actually would not recommend getting surgery done first unless you talk to your recruiter. In the Army, is it still only commissioned officers who fly or do they still have warrant officers?

I only urge caution because most services allow both PRK and now LASIK as well as approved surgeries for flyers, and usually you can get your service of choice to pick up the tab. Back when I was in ROTC, there was a cadet in our detachment who got LASIK and was later selected for pilot without telling anyone of the surgery. I don't know if it was revealed in his flight status or what, but eventually the truth came out in the wash and not only did they pull his wings, he was denied his commission as well. Whatever you decide to do, just be smart about it.
Gaeltach
12-11-2008, 13:10
Shame you're not in the British Forces then, I believe the Special Reconnaissance Regiment which does special ops intelligence work takes both male and female members.
Oh, I can still do the work, it's just that I don't think I can do the kind of work I'm interested in doing unless the line of battle becomes even more blurred. Most likely I'd be in a support role if I got there today, and that would annoy the living crap out of me.
Gaeltach
12-11-2008, 13:12
I serve my country each and every day. I swore an oath to uphold the constitution of the united states when I signed the roll of lawyers, I contribute to the government coffers through earning a taxable income. I participate in the political process and help shape the government.

Where did this notion come from that to "serve your country" you must be in the military? How utterly insulting to the millions of people who work to make this country a better place, without feeling the need to pick up a gun.

I never made the claim that military service was the only way to serve one's country, but if you'll kindly notice, the title of this thread is "military members." Therefore, my references to service are quite well defined in what is rightfully a very broad topic otherwise.
Vault 10
12-11-2008, 23:33
I just pinned O-2 back in June. Where did you do your NROTC?
Ehr. I know I'm not doing all that awesome, and that people get to higher grades at my age. But in this specific specialty there isn't a tenth as much rank inflation as elsewhere. Unlike on the ground where you can be O-6 without ever seeing anything outside your desk, here an O-5 has to command a ship, and there's only so many of them. So a Navy active duty O-5 is equivalent to somewhere between O-6 and O-7 in Army/AF. And being a Navy captain, in actual service on a vessel, means more than being an army general. So it's hard to get above O-3 while you're there.

But it's just while I'm obliged to stay in. Plus, I'm not all that screwed financially, most of the time I "served" in shipbuilding. It's not a bad college, it's just how it works. I do the best I can.
Sarkhaan
13-11-2008, 00:24
Not in personally, but I have friends in every branch except the navy, and my cousin is in the navy.

My eye doctor won't even let me have it until I turn eighteen*. And then I'd have to wait two years before I join, if I got it.

*Yes, I listen to the professionals. :p
While you can do it at 18, it is better to wait untill you are 21. The eye is still growing in those three years. Of course, if your Rx stops changinge long enough, then it is fine.
Neu Leonstein
13-11-2008, 00:32
I left Germany before conscription age. I don't think I would have done civil service, and I liked the idea of doing a stint as a Panzergrenadier. Much more likely however would've been that I got rejected at the medical. The German army doesn't actually want all these conscripts to do military service, since all they do is cost money. Either way, this way I avoided an annoying medical and potentially saved myself a year or more wasted time.

Question: if one gets drafted, how can you be as eligible for praise, honouring and all the rest of it as someone who joined voluntarily?
Gaeltach
13-11-2008, 00:50
Ehr. I know I'm not doing all that awesome, and that people get to higher grades at my age. But in this specific specialty there isn't a tenth as much rank inflation as elsewhere. Unlike on the ground where you can be O-6 without ever seeing anything outside your desk, here an O-5 has to command a ship, and there's only so many of them. So a Navy active duty O-5 is equivalent to somewhere between O-6 and O-7 in Army/AF. And being a Navy captain, in actual service on a vessel, means more than being an army general. So it's hard to get above O-3 while you're there.

But it's just while I'm obliged to stay in. Plus, I'm not all that screwed financially, most of the time I "served" in shipbuilding. It's not a bad college, it's just how it works. I do the best I can.

Oh, I wasn't trying to comment on progression... no offense intended! :$

Now granted that my exposure to the Navy consists of my Marine father (who referred you guys as "The Taxi") and a friend who dropped out of college and turned into a world class jerk after enlisting, I'm willing to admit that I probably underrate you guys. However looking objectively at it, I would equate a Navy captain (as in commander of the vessel) as about the equivalent of a Wing commander in the Air Force. Please enlighten me because I really just don't have the exposure. Why do you equate your Captains to an Army General instead of an O-6 full Colonel acting as a Wing commander? As I view it, a Navy vessel and a Wing are both self-contained units, where the respective commanders have their little sphere of influence. They are still accountable to someone higher up the food chain, but they still have a great deal of latitude in how they run their installation. Correct, or am I misunderstanding you?
Vault 10
13-11-2008, 01:25
Please enlighten me because I really just don't have the exposure. Why do you equate your Captains to an Army General instead of an O-6 full Colonel acting as a Wing commander?
As for the number of Captains on active duty, serving in command of a vessel, it's quite small. 12 carriers, some other vessels. That's it.

There are over 300 active duty generals (all kinds) in US Army.

That should give some perspective. Each of these Captains has at his command the power to defeat most of world's nations. 90 aircraft, plus the escort fleet in protection of his vessel.

If judging solely by the size of the group, the equivalent to an O-6 in command of a vessel is an army O-9 - just as many of them. Of course, practically, Captains are subordinate to Admirals, which limits their influence, so they're far from that influence, but their real position is still above an army Brig.General.


As I view it, a Navy vessel and a Wing are both self-contained units, where the respective commanders have their little sphere of influence. They are still accountable to someone higher up the food chain, but they still have a great deal of latitude in how they run their installation. Correct, or am I misunderstanding you?
Size matters too. An AF wing commander is in charge of 20-40 planes. A Captain can be in charge of the carrier itself, 90 aircraft aboard his vessel, and de-facto in charge of a few escort ships. But it's not just 90 vs 30... The AF colonel doesn't have control over the associated facilities, supply lines, defenses. It's all held by others. In the Navy, the Captain and the Admiral above (not that much above - can well be just one captain under him) are ultimately in control of everything associated, which would take a few generals in other branches.


But most of all it's about command of actual military units vs. desk jobs, not about branches. Navy has desk captains too. But still, in Navy there are more real military jobs than desk ones. In other branches, desk jobs prevail, that's where such rank inflation comes from. But in any branch an actual command position matching the rank is way harder to get promoted to and get promoted from than a desk job with the same pay grade.
Gauntleted Fist
13-11-2008, 04:38
I actually would not recommend getting surgery done first unless you talk to your recruiter. In the Army, is it still only commissioned officers who fly or do they still have warrant officers?

I only urge caution because most services allow both PRK and now LASIK as well as approved surgeries for flyers, and usually you can get your service of choice to pick up the tab. Back when I was in ROTC, there was a cadet in our detachment who got LASIK and was later selected for pilot without telling anyone of the surgery. I don't know if it was revealed in his flight status or what, but eventually the truth came out in the wash and not only did they pull his wings, he was denied his commission as well. Whatever you decide to do, just be smart about it.I think they still have Warrant Officers.

May take longer. I'm 24 and still can't have eye treatment as my eyesight is still deteriorating. Although hopefully it's stabilizing

Which is also the reason I am not and can not serve in the armed forces (my eye-sight is really just that bad).While you can do it at 18, it is better to wait untill you are 21. The eye is still growing in those three years. Of course, if your Rx stops changinge long enough, then it is fine.Thanks for the advice, and I talk with my recruiter every day. :p
He happens to work in a building not five minutes away from my school.
Sarkhaan
13-11-2008, 04:54
I think they still have Warrant Officers.

Thanks for the advice, and I talk with my recruiter every day. :p
He happens to work in a building not five minutes away from my school.

haha...don't forget to talk to your doctor too ;)
There are some limiting factors regarding LASIK...especially if you are going into the military, they may require you to get PRK form, which is a bit more...uncomfortable. It was described to me as feeling like there is a grain of sand in your eye for 3 or 4 days. They also have to do each eye seperatly due to increased risk of infection (1 in 1000 rather than 1 in 5000)
Gauntleted Fist
13-11-2008, 05:36
haha...don't forget to talk to your doctor too ;)
There are some limiting factors regarding LASIK...especially if you are going into the military, they may require you to get PRK form, which is a bit more...uncomfortable. It was described to me as feeling like there is a grain of sand in your eye for 3 or 4 days. They also have to do each eye seperatly due to increased risk of infection (1 in 1000 rather than 1 in 5000)I do talk to him. ;)
And, as for the grain of salt thing, I'll subscribe to the "No Pain, No Gain" philosophy if it comes to that. :tongue:
New Wallonochia
13-11-2008, 05:44
Mos: 19 delta Cav scout

Awesome.

19 kilo M1A1 crewmember learned real quick tanks suck

Yes they do.

Service: US Army
Enlisted: July 2000 to July 2004
MOS: 19D Cavalry Scout

Service: Michigan Army National Guard
Enlisted June 2007 to June 2010
MOS: 19D Cavalry Scout

Also, I don't really like "Veterans Day" as it is in the US. I think Memorial Day should be for any soldiers who aren't with us, for whatever reason and Veterans Day (I really like how the Commonwealth calls it Remembrance Day) should be specifically for soldiers who died in combat.
Collectivity
13-11-2008, 07:47
Rememberance day is quite a special event in Australia - it seemed to go into decline a bit from the 70s - but now it's become "retro" ironically as the last diggers shuffled off this mortal coil. We do the minutes silence and some places play the Last Post - which is very haunting (Like "Taps")

ANZAC Day is the big one for Australia because it's a public holiday and there is nothing Aussies like better than a public holiday. The fact that the diggers "Lost" that battle makes it all the more special. The Turks "won" it but at a terrible cost for them and then they lost the war. It is a day that makes for a rather unque bond between Australains and Turks. A lot of mutual respect their. Mustapha Kemal, the Turkish General at Gallipoli said a beautiful epitaph for all the slain soldiers - telling their mothers not to grieve because now their dead sons are Turkey's sons.
AaaaaaH! War sucks! Death is death! Pretty speeches are not gonna bring anyone back! But at least he said those healing words....He could have just gone "Nyah! Nyah!"

Another interesting thing about Gallipoli wasa when the allied troops evacuated in the dead of night, it was really orderly and there were no casualties. I wonder if the Turks knew they were going and thought,, "Great! They're going! Let them go!"