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So, it's been a year since I've had the Wii. First, for those of you who don't know, I'ma huge Nintendo fanboy. I am the guy who worships the ground Shigeru Miyamoto walks on. However, as a Nintendo fanboy, I'm starting to feel screwed. I liked the idea of the Wii. Motion sensing technology, swing around a wii remote like a sword, great idea! But all that comes out are crappy "Party games"! There have only been four games so far I have NOT regretted picking up. There aren't any games for us Hardcore gamers. As a Nintendo fanboy, I ask only this:

Why Nintendo? Why did you abandon us?

And yes, I know that everyone else figured this out about six or seven months ago, but I trusted Nintendo.:(

Thoughts?

They abandoned you because they realized the market for hardcore gamers was packed with competitors whose technology they could not match and whose capitalization exponentially dwarfed their own, and because they saw this vast, untapped market for casual gamers that were not being catered to at all, and realized they could make trillions of dollars making cheap, un-complex games that people could play with their kids or while drinking.

They abandoned you because they realized the market for hardcore gamers was packed with competitors whose technology they could not match and whose capitalization exponentially dwarfed their own, and because they saw this vast, untapped market for casual gamers that were not being catered to at all, and realized they could make trillions of dollars making cheap, un-complex games that people could play with their kids or while drinking.Thread solved by the second post. Is this a record?

Come to the Sony side. No cheap, unsatisfying games or three red rings of death here...

They abandoned you because they realized the market for hardcore gamers was packed with competitors whose technology they could not match and whose capitalization exponentially dwarfed their own, and because they saw this vast, untapped market for casual gamers that were not being catered to at all, and realized they could make trillions of dollars making cheap, un-complex games that people could play with their kids or while drinking.

Still, Nintendo used to have this particular style with games, which just made them awesome, and is different to the sort of games you have on other consoles.

Has Nintendo itself been that bad to you? You got your Zelda and Mario, and more of that is on the way. What more can you expect from Nintendo? If anyone has let you down it's the third party developers. Wii has a reputation for being a console with a more young and casual audience and, right or wrong, that's what the third parties think and that's why they keep making games that aren't all that interesting to the "core gamer".

Another reason is that developers really want to make their new game bigger, better and prettier than their last, and to do that they need more horsepower. And for that, they turn to Xbox 360 and PS3.

The PS2 still rocks. The best Nintendo system is the venerable N64. Unless Nintendo can do something truly spectacular, they will go the way of SEGA.

It will be a sad day if Link appears on the Xbox, though.

Still, Nintendo used to have this particular style with games, which just made them awesome, and is different to the sort of games you have on other consoles.

I understand this, but they had to do what they did. They were being muscled out of the serious gamer market by Sony and Microsoft, because they simply couldn't compete with those behemoths. They were quickly on their way to the same fate as Sega when they decided to switch tracks and market themselves to casual gamers. And it has served them well. I know Nintendo fanboys are saddened by this, but if any of them bought a Playstation or an XBox, then they contributed to it.

So, it's been a year since I've had the Wii. First, for those of you who don't know, I'ma huge Nintendo fanboy. I am the guy who worships the ground Shigeru Miyamoto walks on. However, as a Nintendo fanboy, I'm starting to feel screwed. I liked the idea of the Wii. Motion sensing technology, swing around a wii remote like a sword, great idea! But all that comes out are crappy "Party games"! There have only been four games so far I have NOT regretted picking up. There aren't any games for us Hardcore gamers. As a Nintendo fanboy, I ask only this:

Why Nintendo? Why did you abandon us?

And yes, I know that everyone else figured this out about six or seven months ago, but I trusted Nintendo.:(

Thoughts?

Because party games can be fun?

I have had my Wii for a little over a year and a half. I agree, most of the games are ridiculously stupid. However, many FPS and racing games are good for it. I like the setup for Need for Speed games as it is more involved than just a joystick and the "X" button.

However, yes, I do feel a little screwed over, but it was the cheapest thing when it cam out, so I don't mind my decision. I just wish they would make games like Halo or GTA for it.

Also, if they push Blu-ray on everyone, you might as well just get a PS3.

The PS2 still rocks. The best Nintendo system is the venerable N64. Unless Nintendo can do something truly spectacular, they will go the way of SEGA.

It will be a sad day if Link appears on the Xbox, though.

It seems you haven't paid attention to console sales this generation. Wii is winning big. They sell as much as Microsoft and Sony does combined. They'll "win" this generation handily. The question is if the same approach will be as successful the next generation, and what Sony and Microsoft will do.

Go handheld (I'm starting to)
We have Castlevania, Advance Wars, Space Invaders, and Dementium the Ward

Another good game for Wii, probably the best is Super Smash Bros. Brawl. After all, Wii is the only thing that Brawl is made for. Brawl itself is a good reason to get a Wii.

The Nintendo Revolution[I refuse to call it the Wii] is the only next-gen console I can afford at the moment, but I with there were more light-gun games, and an actual gun controller[like the ones that arcade games have]

Another good game for Wii, probably the best is Super Smash Bros. Brawl. After all, Wii is the only thing that Brawl is made for. Brawl itself is a good reason to get a Wii.

I have brawl. It was a huge disappointment. They delayed it all that time, and that's all I get? Heck, even if it wasn't delayed, I still expected more. Instead, I find myself putting Brawl in it's case, and dusting off Melee.

It seems you haven't paid attention to console sales this generation. Wii is winning big. They sell as much as Microsoft and Sony does combined. They'll "win" this generation handily. The question is if the same approach will be as successful the next generation, and what Sony and Microsoft will do.

Almost, but not quite. A few million off.

Wii – 34.55 million
Xbox 360 – 22 million
PlayStation 3 – 16.84 million

(All these figures are based on Q1 2008 figures)

Where Nintendo really rules the world is in handhelds. The Game Boy Advance and the Nintendo DS are the #1 and #2 handhelds, respectively, and each have sold more than twice as many units as the PSP. They could get out of the console market entirely and still make trillions of dollars.

The Nintendo Revolution[I refuse to call it the Wii] is the only next-gen console I can afford at the moment, but I with there were more light-gun games, and an actual gun controller[like the ones that arcade games have]You can buy something that the controller and Numchuck fit into. It is a gun with access to the trigger button. Wii gun accessories (http://images.google.com/images?q=wii%20gun%20accessories&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi)

Almost, but not quite. A few million off.

I said "sell", not "have sold". 360 had a one year head start on both Wii and PS3. If you look at weekly console sales, Wii does pretty much sell as much as both its competitors combined.

Meh. I know that in the town where I lived. Everybody used to buy the PlayStation. Now that the PS3 came out. Everybody selling their PS2 and getting a Xbox.

As for the Wii. That IS way cheaper then the Xbox or PS3 so you have to take that into account when you look at the number of units each console has solded.


Those I frankly like my Super Nintendo more then anything else.

Come to the Sony side. No cheap, unsatisfying games or three red rings of death here...

Yes, come the light CM.

Yes, come the light CM.

Never! Sony is heresy! *Plays his Gamecube in quiet disappointment*

So, it's been a year since I've had the Wii. First, for those of you who don't know, I'ma huge Nintendo fanboy. I am the guy who worships the ground Shigeru Miyamoto walks on. However, as a Nintendo fanboy, I'm starting to feel screwed. I liked the idea of the Wii. Motion sensing technology, swing around a wii remote like a sword, great idea! But all that comes out are crappy "Party games"! There have only been four games so far I have NOT regretted picking up. There aren't any games for us Hardcore gamers. As a Nintendo fanboy, I ask only this:

Why Nintendo? Why did you abandon us?

And yes, I know that everyone else figured this out about six or seven months ago, but I trusted Nintendo.:(

Thoughts?

Nintendo isn't abandoning Gamers at all. Devs are. Devs think that only children play Nintendo, and have all but forsaken Nintendo. This is a travesty, since 'gamers' these days only like Shooters, which is a sad twisting of the original meaning of the word. Look at what Nintendo tries to do, Zelda, they have Guitar Hero, Force Unleashed, Brawl, Mario Kart. They are trying to get good titles but no one makes it for the Wii, or underdevelops it. Lucasarts gave Unleashed the same graphical model to the Wii as the PS2, so it looked much crappier than it had to.

If you've notices, I love Nintendo as well, just remember that they're trying, but the devs/popular opinion is what is screwing Nintendo, and consequently real gamers over.

As for the Wii. That IS way cheaper then the Xbox or PS3 so you have to take that into account when you look at the number of units each console has solded.Actually:

Wii - $249
Xbox 360 - $199

Xbox is cheaper right now...

Never! Sony is heresy! *Plays his Gamecube in quiet disappointment*

*strikes down CM's Gamecube*

The only good games for that system are Mario Kart and a Remake of PS1 game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid:_The_Twin_Snakes).

I absolutely love my DS, especially with all of the homebrew stuff out there for it. I've been using mine to play games and as a PDA, and soon will be using it as a MP3 player. If this thing had a phone, I would see no reason to carry around any other electronic device...

As far as consoles go, I can't really decide. Definatly have spent the most time with PS1/PS2, but the N64 and Wii are pretty fun....

Actually:

Wii - $249
Xbox 360 - $199

Xbox is cheaper right now...

Really? My friend bought a Wii for $100 five months ago....

And the Xbox has dropped it price TO $199. But only recently.

So, it's been a year since I've had the Wii. First, for those of you who don't know, I'ma huge Nintendo fanboy. I am the guy who worships the ground Shigeru Miyamoto walks on. However, as a Nintendo fanboy, I'm starting to feel screwed. I liked the idea of the Wii. Motion sensing technology, swing around a wii remote like a sword, great idea! But all that comes out are crappy "Party games"! There have only been four games so far I have NOT regretted picking up. There aren't any games for us Hardcore gamers. As a Nintendo fanboy, I ask only this:

Why Nintendo? Why did you abandon us?

And yes, I know that everyone else figured this out about six or seven months ago, but I trusted Nintendo.:(

Thoughts?
Nintendo is seeking Casual gamers and Family members. most of your hard core gamers cant play for 8 hours on the wii with out having a heart attack anyways.

*strikes down CM's Gamecube*

The only good games for that system are Mario Kart and a Remake of PS1 game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid:_The_Twin_Snakes).
NOOOO! *Gamecube becomes more powerful then you could ever imagine*


What about Legend of Zelda:Master Quest, Twin Snakes, of course, legend Of Zelda: Collectors CD, Super Mario Sunshine was OK, a few good Japanese RPGs...

Really? My friend bought a Wii for $100 five months ago....WHAT? Where'd your friend get it? As far as I know, Wii is still maintaining it's $250 price. Was it new?

Yeah the Gamecube wasn't that bad. Not to forget it was alot easier to play four player co-op shooter games. Which believes was a lotta fun and the James Bonds games were good too.

Lucasarts gave Unleashed the same graphical model to the Wii as the PS2, so it looked much crappier than it had to.

What do you expect? All Wii is is a higher clocked GameCube with a bit more RAM. It has no additional graphical capabilities over the GameCube, meaning the original Xbox had more features and was capable of better effects than Wii is, and it is of course far behind both Xbox 360 and PS3. Tech-wise, Wii is a last-gen console. You get PS2-level graphics because, frankly, it isn't capable of much more than that.

But I thought the mantra was that graphics doesn't matter, so why the complaining? Complain about Force Unleashed having poor gameplay instead.

Wow, I just realized what a bunch of nerds we are, talking about graphics and prices of consoles...

NOOOO! *Gamecube becomes more powerful then you could ever imagine*


What about Legend of Zelda:Master Quest, Twin Snakes, of course, legend Of Zelda: Collectors CD, Super Mario Sunshine was OK, a few good Japanese RPGs...

Mario Sunshine got boring after a while.

Mario Sunshine got boring after a while.

Yeah, but it was fun for a bit.

WHAT? Where'd your friend get it? As far as I know, Wii is still maintaining it's $250 price. Was it new?

Far as I know he got it from Wal-Mart for a 100 and maybe 20 bucks(taxs u know?) brand new. Those things where I live usually are priced lower anyway. I got my PS2 for 200 bucks about three months after it came out.

Damn, and I paid $250...

Damn, and I paid $250...

Well as long as you enjoy the Wii it;s money well spend right?

But all that comes out are crappy "Party games"!
... Thoughts?
Indeed:

most of the 'party games' are not crap
there are plenty of fantastic non-'party games' for the Wii
you've posted this sorta thing before, and I believe it was shown to be tripe then also

Indeed:

most of the 'party games' are not crap
there are plenty of fantastic non-'party games' for the Wii
you've posted this sorta thing before, and I believe it was shown to be tripe then also


1. Most of them are.
2. There are very few.
3. How was it Tripe

who ever said they should make shooter games for it,Should be Shot

Thoughts?
You like Nintendo because you have no decorum.

See, I really like the Wii controls. The in-house games (e.g. Metroid & Zelda) use them really, really well, and it makes the games really fun to play. Cross-platform developers rarely take advantage of the Wii controls because they're usually programming for normal controllers. Add to that the fact that the Wii can't handle the normal level of graphics that a PS3 or Xbox 360 can handle, and you wind up having a system that can only play Nintendo games well.

That said, I prefer my Wii to any other gaming system (including my computer). Then again, I happen to think graphics should be the icing on the cake -- if the cake sucks, the icing will not save it.

Nintendo was right when they specifically said that the Wii was not meant to directly compete with the PS3 and the XBox360. It was smart not to try.

The problem is that with some titles available for all 3, (Like Force Unleashed) inevitably they're going to be in competition with them, and people are going to judge the Wii against the others. In such a comparison, Wii fails because it's simply not designed with the same power of hardware. (In fact, IIRC the Woo video capability is no better than the GameCube.)Mind you, it wasn't meant to be, but public perception is going to pigeonhole it there anyway.

If Nindento gives in to the temptation to take on Microsoft and Sony directly with the Wii, they will go down in flames.

1. Most [wii party games] are [very pish].
Obviously you've never had a Wii around at a very drunken party. Trying to spin plates after about a pint of gin - comic times.

Obviously you've never had a Wii around at a very drunken party. Trying to spin plates after about a pint of gin - comic times.

Obviously, I've never been drunk.:tongue:

1. Most of them are.
Boom Blox, WarioWare, Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Music, Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games and Pangya Golf are all damn good fun with a bunch of mates.

What Wii party games do you think are "crappy"?

2. There are very few.
Off of the top of me heid, TLOZ: Twilight Princess, Super Mario Galaxy, SSB: Brawl, Pro Ev, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, Mario Kart, No More Heroes, Tiger Woods 09, Metroid 3, Tales of Symphonia 2, Wario Land...

3. How was it
See above.

No More heroes and Zelda are the only Wii titles that look interesting to me, so I'll wait until I find one at a pawn shop for well under $100.

This thread makes me glad that I bought a 360. :D

Actually:

Wii - $249
Xbox 360 - $199

Xbox is cheaper right now...

Isn't the $199 360 the really crappy model that doesn't even have an internal hard drive? Who wants that?

Still, Nintendo used to have this particular style with games, which just made them awesome, and is different to the sort of games you have on other consoles.

Their "style" sold massive amounts when it was combined with real leading edge (or close to) games and hardware.

Nintendo always did a good job of having a unique style twards the front of the pack

Now they diverged into their own little world

Yes they are quirky and unique but no longer is that synonymous with the market trend. To be honest as much as the comparisons differ I see a general similarity to sega. During genisis days they were pretty cutting edge ... as well as did their own "thing" but then they tried to make a next generation system and failed at it, came short on hardware and were TOO quirky and away they went

Isn't the $199 360 the really crappy model that doesn't even have an internal hard drive? Who wants that?

Ok the Pro with a 60 Gb Hdd is 299 right now at Best Buy
The regular with a 20 Gb HDD is 259 right now at Best Buy

The Wii is 249

All in all 10 bucks one way or another is close enough their is hardly this "massive" price difference between the current generation of consoles (well at least those two)

This thread makes me glad that I bought a 360. :D

Yeah bought one this last Saturday ... finally caved in I was a pure PC gamer for years but there are some titles that I wanted that were Xbox only and yeah

Why Nintendo? Why did you abandon us?
Because it was about damned time?

I always enjoyed video games as an occasional past-time, and I also appreciated the story-telling value of some titles, but all of that came at the expense of not being able to share that enjoyment with other people. The Wii makes this sharing its main focus. It's not geeky any more to enjoy a bit of virtual fun with your mates - what's geeky is the endless FPS and MMORPG gaming that the 360 and PCs represent. And that's entirely deserving. It's one thing to enjoy a bit of a brawl with your mates - it's another to spend your time, by yourself, doing the same thing over and over again for a totally arbitrary achievement. And the fewer enablers of that kind of obsessive behaviour we have, the better, I think.

Thank god, I bought the 360. But why there aren't a web browser there? Would it be so hard to implent it?

So, it's been a year since I've had the Wii. First, for those of you who don't know, I'ma huge Nintendo fanboy. I am the guy who worships the ground Shigeru Miyamoto walks on. However, as a Nintendo fanboy, I'm starting to feel screwed. I liked the idea of the Wii. Motion sensing technology, swing around a wii remote like a sword, great idea! But all that comes out are crappy "Party games"! There have only been four games so far I have NOT regretted picking up. There aren't any games for us Hardcore gamers. As a Nintendo fanboy, I ask only this:

Why Nintendo? Why did you abandon us?

And yes, I know that everyone else figured this out about six or seven months ago, but I trusted Nintendo.:(

Thoughts?

"Wii" = "We"

Nintendo has always been about the family and younger players. their past consoles had a majority of family games over the others.

granted some of the games and the controllers are 'pluses' but they need more to interest me in picking up a next gen console.

The real problem is that, no one develops halos for the Wii, and when we do get something developed for it, (such as, say, spore) it doesn't come out until months after the original release.

Like Rock Band. The second one has been out for everything else a month ago, but it comes out for Wii on November 11th. Oh wait, that's today, I need to go get it.

With the "hardcore" gamers and developers, Nintendo is screwed. "Hardcore" games won't come because there are "no" "hardcore" gamers and there are "no" "hardcore" gamers because the "hardcore" games won't come.

At least there's the virtual console and Wiiware. Say what you want about already having them. I highly doubt anyone that isn't very rich would already have all the worthwhile games on their original consoles. Plus, there's Wiiware. There's something appealing about playing MM9 with a d-pad under one thumb and two buttons under the other.

CM, I´m planning on getting a Wii. Do you recommend it anyway after saying there aren´t really cool games for it? I´m just interested in the new Animal Crossing game coming out for it. :(

I haz a wii -and I loves it!

Nintendo should go back to the days when all games were 2D and game music was catchy and awesome 8-bit tunes like this (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SCJVWI2ntyI) :)

Yes they are quirky and unique but no longer is that synonymous with the market trend.
That doesn't appear (http://kotaku.com/5057865/first-half-of-2008-hardwaresoftware-sales-data) to be true (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/29426/Wii-overtakes-360-in-UK-DS-hits-five-million) at all (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/wii-success-drives-nintendo-profits-773937.html).

I believe the last time Nintendo had a 45-50% market share was back in the heady days of the SNES.

Nintendo should go back to the days when all games were 2D and game music was catchy and awesome 8-bit tunes like this (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SCJVWI2ntyI) :)

ugh...UGH!

So, it's been a year since I've had the Wii. First, for those of you who don't know, I'ma huge Nintendo fanboy. I am the guy who worships the ground Shigeru Miyamoto walks on. However, as a Nintendo fanboy, I'm starting to feel screwed. I liked the idea of the Wii. Motion sensing technology, swing around a wii remote like a sword, great idea! But all that comes out are crappy "Party games"! There have only been four games so far I have NOT regretted picking up. There aren't any games for us Hardcore gamers. As a Nintendo fanboy, I ask only this:

Why Nintendo? Why did you abandon us?

And yes, I know that everyone else figured this out about six or seven months ago, but I trusted Nintendo.:(

Thoughts?

They should have RTS games on the wii *nods vuigorously*

CM, I´m planning on getting a Wii. Do you recommend it anyway after saying there aren´t really cool games for it? I´m just interested in the new Animal Crossing game coming out for it. :(

There are good games for all consoles, but 360 and PS3 certainly has more of them than Wii does. But what really matters here is that the console you buy has the games you want to play. If the games for Wii interest you, and the games for the other consoles don't, the choice is obvious.

I wouldn't buy a console for a single game, but only you know whether it's worth it to you. There may be more games you want if you look around.

The general feeling here is that Nintendo has failed, but the economic indicators don't follow. Two YEARS after it came out they're flying off the shelves, they are the only system that hasn't dropped its console prices, and they have the best profit margins of any system. I have a 360 and I love it, and don't really like the Wii. But what the market is saying is that Nintendo is doing right. Hard-core gamers have the 360 and the PS3.

Yes, Xbox got a head start on Wii, but it has been passed. PS3's prices are what keeps it's sales down. Most people won't buy it just because of that, even though it is the best right now.

There are good games for all consoles, but 360 and PS3 certainly has more of them than Wii does. But what really matters here is that the console you buy has the games you want to play. If the games for Wii interest you, and the games for the other consoles don't, the choice is obvious.

I wouldn't buy a console for a single game, but only you know whether it's worth it to you. There may be more games you want if you look around.

Precisely why I´m asking. I´m not about to spend 200E on a console I may not use that much. After all, I´m not much of a gamer. My fiancé is, though.

But what the market is saying is that Nintendo is doing right. Hard-core gamers have the 360 and the PS3.
I don't see why I'm not 'hardcore' if I enjoy, and play a huge amount of, something like Boom Blox or Wii Sports. I kick the shit at Golf on Wii Sports, and that takes a lot of time and skill; almost as much, I'd posit, as someone who is accomplished at Halo 3.

They should have RTS games on the wii *nods vuigorously*

Battalion Wars 2?
Oh and the Gameboy Advance was the best system ever

Why Nintendo? Why did you abandon us?

Money.

What Wii party games do you think are "crappy"?

Boom Blox, Wii Sports, Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games and Pangya Golf. PLus a few more I can't be bothered to think of at the moment. Oh, and is Wii music out already?


Off of the top of me heid, TLOZ: Twilight Princess, Super Mario Galaxy, SSB: Brawl, Pro Ev, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, Mario Kart, No More Heroes, Tiger Woods 09, Metroid 3, Tales of Symphonia 2, Wario Land...
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LOZ was good, as always. So was Super Mario Galaxy. Brawl I already discussed, not nearly as good as it's predecessor (Bad sign). I'm not familiar with pro ev, Trauma center: Second opinion was just a port to the Wii, with not a whole lot added, I've never liked Mario Kart, No More Heroes looked interesting, but I haven't tried it yet, I don't like golf games, Metroid PRIME
3 was great, not that I would accept anything less from such a perfect series, Tales of Symphonia I'm not a fan of, and I thought Wario Land was for the DS.

So out of that, I consider only three of those good games for the Wii.

CM, I´m planning on getting a Wii. Do you recommend it anyway after saying there aren´t really cool games for it? I´m just interested in the new Animal Crossing game coming out for it. :(

Hmm? There are some good games, but most of them are party games, with little to no single player mode, or online support. I'd reccomend it if you are a casual gamer, or are still clinging to the hope that Nintendo will come out with some decent serious games for it.

I say this could be solved by the NINTENDO SEAL OF QUALITY!
http://wii.kombo.com/images/content/news/Nin_seal2.jpg

Mario Galaxy sucked. Mario Kart however is pretty much like the others. But it is better that the others in my opinion. I like how you have to steer instead of just a joystick and the "X" button like all PlayStation games.