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War between Russia and USA?, seriously!

Kirchensittenbach
10-11-2008, 20:14
Lets all look at the facts:

America is the 2nd biggest nation in the world, and yes while USA has the ability to throw money around when it wants, it has become to used to doing just that to get what it wants, and if it runs low on money, then it finally sees a problem with that system of doing things.
The american system keeps its public system at a level where the people only learn to levels that it wants them to be, and any individual that becomes too intelligent is treated as an outsider because they are too intellectual for the basic american.
When it comes to war, the USA troops are filled with blind patriotism or a cowboy attitude of "lets go be a hero", and as such, suffer high side-effects
[last i checked, USA was issuing prozac or something to its troops in the middle east]

Russia on the other hand, is the worlds biggest nation, and while it does not have much money to do things as USA does, Russia has proven that it doesnt need money to win wars.
Russian technology is based on reliability and practicality at a low cost, and if Russia ever did grow in financial power, it would not build expensive things, it would just build alot more of what it has.
The Russian education system does not set a level on what its people learn, and it also permits its people free education, so any russian citizen can continue to learn and learn as they wish
Russians are a bred to themselves, they know that there is a time for work and a time for play, and do not mix the two, so Russians at war keep their minds on the task at hand, and can survive like this for long periods of time with little effect to their psychology.


At the end of the day, with or without the use of WMD in a war between Russia and USA, the Russians still hold superior numbers, more reliable technology, and the force of will to fight to the last
Hotwife
10-11-2008, 20:19
Lets all look at the facts:

America is the 2nd biggest nation in the world, and yes while USA has the ability to throw money around when it wants, it has become to used to doing just that to get what it wants, and if it runs low on money, then it finally sees a problem with that system of doing things.
The american system keeps its public system at a level where the people only learn to levels that it wants them to be, and any individual that becomes too intelligent is treated as an outsider because they are too intellectual for the basic american.
When it comes to war, the USA troops are filled with blind patriotism or a cowboy attitude of "lets go be a hero", and as such, suffer high side-effects
[last i checked, USA was issuing prozac or something to its troops in the middle east]
When we run low on money, the rest of you are fucked, because you loaned it to us. Russia was fucked royally by the recent economic shambolism (not quite as bad as Iceland).
Your comment on intellectuals in the US is false - there are probably just as many ignorant people in Russia (we don't place limits - but a lot of people would rather hang out at the mall you know).
Speaking as a former infantryman, we're not filled with blind patriotism. We have a lot of faith in each other, and in state of the art firepower, and are nearsighted when it comes to fighting an insurgency. Fighting conventional forces is very easy for us, since our intellectuals have designed weapons that Russia can only dream of having.
As for "issuing prozac", they prescribe it as you might to civilians. If you have a problem with depression, it's an option among many others. I guess in Russia, if you're depressed, you have to either drink vodka until you pass out, or play Russian roulette.
Knights of Liberty
10-11-2008, 20:20
I dont think there is a single accurate statement in this thread outside of the size of the countries land mass.

And even that is wrong, as Canada is geographically bigger then the US.

You know, for someone living in Europe, you sure seem to know a lot about the US and how us Americans are, as well as a lot of our military secrets.

Dont you have an Ayrian Nation rally to be attending?
Hotwife
10-11-2008, 20:23
I dont think there is a single accurate statement in this thread outside of the size of the countries land mass.

And even that is wrong, as Canada is geographically bigger then the US.

You know, for someone living in Europe, you sure seem to know a lot about the US and how us Americans are, as well as a lot of our military secrets.

Dont you have an Ayrian Nation rally to be attending?

He's probably reading that kokugaku revisionist, Nagladin.
Knights of Liberty
10-11-2008, 20:23
He's probably reading that kokugaku revisionist, Nagladin.

I doubt it, because I question if this poster can even read.
New Texoma Land
10-11-2008, 20:25
The US is the fourth largest nation geographically. Russia, Canada, and China are larger. Population wise, the US is 3rd and Russia 9th.
Tolvan
10-11-2008, 20:30
Why does this thread even exist when we already have one wankish US vs. Russia thread?
Psychotic Mongooses
10-11-2008, 20:34
Seriously? Another thread on this? How does this subject not become redundant after the first thread on it.
South Lorenya
10-11-2008, 20:37
If they use WMDs, everyone loses. End of story.
SaintB
10-11-2008, 20:40
Seriously... not going to happen.
Vault 10
10-11-2008, 21:06
Russia holds a lot of power, and it's ready to fight, but US isn't all San Francisco. If you visit both countries, you'll find that US is actually quite like Russia. Space, population, mindsets, psychology. Only US is the successful winner, and Russia is running behind.
No Names Left Damn It
10-11-2008, 21:08
America is the 2nd biggest nation in the world,


No, it's not.


more reliable technology

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*pauses for breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
South Lorenya
10-11-2008, 21:09
Once again, russia and the US will both lose.

Newest leaders will be nukeless, far-out-of-the-way countries like Brazil, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa.
DrunkenDove
10-11-2008, 21:32
How about a nice game of chess?
Psychotic Mongooses
10-11-2008, 21:36
How about a nice game of chess?

I love that film.
greed and death
10-11-2008, 21:43
Here is what happens. US deploys navy and blocks eat and west sea access for Russia. Uses turkey to block southern Access. Gets western Europe to blockade Russian over land trade with Europe. Europe complains its cold in winter with out Russian natural gas but wont accept the coal we offer them cause ti pollutes. To get Europe to keep blockade we chop up all our nuclear weapons and build nuclear energy plants for them. Russia realizes we have chopped up our nukes and nukes us with out a retaliation. Zombie Napoleon raises from the grave realizes Russia doesn't have any nukes and France nukes Russia then takes over the world.
and no one saw it coming.
Augmark
10-11-2008, 21:43
How about something interesting, like........Prussia vs Czarist Russia, now thats a fight.
South Lorenya
10-11-2008, 21:47
mmm, chess...

Chess game form when Atma went to camp in '91 or so... (I was black)

1. f3 e5
2. e4 Nf6
3. Na3 Nxe4
4. fxe4 Qh4+
5. Ke2 Qxe4+
6. Kf2 Bc5+
7. Kg3 f5
8. c3 f4+
9. Kg4 d5 dis.+
10. Kh4 Be7+
11. Kh5 Qg6#

...oh! I'm sorry for being offtopic, mods, but if this offends you, then please plant it as a new thread instead of deleting this post. :(
No Names Left Damn It
10-11-2008, 22:01
1. f3 e5
2. e4 Nf6
3. Na3 Nxe4
4. fxe4 Qh4+
5. Ke2 Qxe4+
6. Kf2 Bc5+
7. Kg3 f5
8. c3 f4+
9. Kg4 d5 dis.+
10. Kh4 Be7+
11. Kh5 Qg6#


How do you expect anyone to understand that?
South Lorenya
10-11-2008, 22:02
How do you expect anyone to understand that?

Pfft, it's standard chess teminology!
Exilia and Colonies
10-11-2008, 22:02
How do you expect anyone to understand that?

Its chess notation. I can't read it but I know it when I see it.
No Names Left Damn It
10-11-2008, 22:07
Pfft, it's standard chess teminology!

Well then you can Kh5!# off! :p
Exilia and Colonies
10-11-2008, 22:09
Well then you can Kh5!# off! :p

Checkmate
Knights of Liberty
10-11-2008, 22:11
Seriously? Another thread on this? How does this subject not become redundant after the first thread on it.

Because the OP can never get enough masterbitory fantasies about the deminse of the US (especially at the hands of his hero, Russia, who he thinks are still under the control of Stalin) because he loathes the US for its continued acceptence of the rights of gays, jews, blacks, etc to live.
No Names Left Damn It
10-11-2008, 22:12
who he thinks are still under the control of Stalin)
It's not???? :eek:
The American Privateer
10-11-2008, 22:20
No, Putin just wishes it was so he could crack down on the journalists more.
Braaainsss
10-11-2008, 22:21
The OP is basically saying the U.S. will be beaten by a country with half its population and a tenth of its GDP, because we're culturally inferior. If I recall correctly, that theory didn't work out too well for the Japanese in WWII.
The American Privateer
10-11-2008, 22:28
It doesn't help that the Russian Army is full of people who are more interested in the fact that the Armed Forces is the only stable job in Russia, and where most of their naval crew are three year term people on ships that are not designed to be able to be fixed if they break down. And then you include the fact that most Russian Vehicles for a very long time used Vodka for Hydraulics due to the temperature of the Russian Winters. If that is still a problem, expect Russian Armored vehicles to have been drunk dry and their crews tipsy by the end of the Winter.

The US Armed Forces on the other hand have more educated persons than the General Population (Both High School Diploma [Minimum requirement] and College Graduates) with highly skilled technicians who would rate masters in the civilian world. Throw int he massive difference in training and equipment and Russia would get it's ass handed to it.

The only Soviet Style nation that could survive conflict with the United States for more than six months is China, mainly because they learned from the Russian Mistakes, and are making Hybrid Russian-Western style vehicles that get around most of the problems that the Russians had. Their troops are still poorly equipped (they have recently gone from 1 Rice bowl per squad to six rice bowls per squad because the budget has increased) and have to deal with Comissars, but that is a dictatorship for you...
Greater Somalia
10-11-2008, 22:28
Last time I checked, Russian scientists were flocking out of Russia. Maybe America should just wait awhile until all of Russia's weaponry become obsolete.
The American Privateer
10-11-2008, 22:30
Greater Somalia, most of the stuff they are using is Mid-Cold War Era, and some of that was obsolete when it was newly manufactured.

The main threat that Russia poses is their Missile Arsenal and their status as a Petro State.

In terms of missiles, the only one with more short and intermediate ranged ballistic missiles is China, and all of theirs are pointed at either Taiwan or Kazakhstan. And don't expect nuclear payloads on those, but rather conventional high-explosives.

The biggest threat however, comes from their status as Petro-State. So long as oil is under $80 a barrel, they are hemorrhaging money. So expect a generated crisis on their part to jack the cost back up. (And no, I don't think this is the Pre-September one Joe Biden warned us about) And should Europe intervene, then they do an imitation of the Soup Nazi and shut off the flow, plunging Europe into a shivering hungry mass of people.

And we saw what happened in Europe last time the continent got scared and hungry, so expect the US to step in and aid them somehow (maybe).
Emmbok
10-11-2008, 22:37
Hmm, this seems very 1950s like. The first person who posted was a wee bit clueless about this. America and Russia aren't rivals anymore. It's America and China that will have the big problems.
The American Privateer
10-11-2008, 22:41
No argument there. And luckily, until the 30's, Japan should be able to bottle up the Chinese Navy with the help of South Korea and the US Seventh Fleet, while Australia blockades the Straights of Malacca and stops up 80% of Chinese Oil Shipments.

After 2035, the People's Liberation Army Navy will be strong enough to fight NATO and the US's Major Non-NATO Allies in the Pacific. That will be when they decide to "reclaim" Taiwan. Which will drag the United States into it due to the legal status of Taiwan upon the signing of the Unconditional Surrender of Japan upon the deck of the U.S.S. Missouri (Boom Baby, go Mighty Mo!) at the end of the War.

So we have until then unless Taiwan does something stupid...
Leistung
10-11-2008, 22:50
lol, speaking of "reliable" Russian technology...http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7719441.stm
The American Privateer
10-11-2008, 22:56
I had heard that it was a Boomer at first. Thank god it was only an attack sub, they don't carry as much Rad in their reactors.
Dynamic Revolution
10-11-2008, 23:10
Russian technology is based on reliability and practicality at a low cost

American technology, Russian technology....Its all made in China *beats computer with monkey wrench*

they know that there is a time for work and a time for play, and do not mix the two
Georgia Agrees

At the end of the day, with or without the use of WMD in a war between Russia and USA the Russians still hold superior numbers

With the use of WMD's no one holds "superior numbers"...Everyone's population spins to 0...end game.

I know, I was confused to....stupid small pox


and the force of will to fight to the last

Thats good to know. I'm glad they have come to that conclusion because that's pretty much what will happen should the two largest nuclear powers decide to have a slug-fest with each other.
greed and death
10-11-2008, 23:25
lol, speaking of "reliable" Russian technology...http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7719441.stm

Russian Sailors are brave at least, god knows i wouldn't get on one of those death traps.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
10-11-2008, 23:28
Can the US, financially, sustain a war with Russia? I mean, there´s the war in Iraq going and all...
Vampire Knight Zero
10-11-2008, 23:29
Right now, I'm not sure there are many countries that can afford a war. Except China maybe.
greed and death
10-11-2008, 23:32
Right now, I'm not sure there are many countries that can afford a war. Except China maybe.

you know China's stock market is down 50%
and they sunk 20% of their GDP in a stimulus package.

Its time the world be poor and at peace.
Vampire Knight Zero
10-11-2008, 23:32
you know China's stock market is down 50%
and they sunk 20% of their GDP in a stimulus package.

Its time the world be poor and at peace.

Hmm... like the 1930's. :p
greed and death
10-11-2008, 23:44
Hmm... like the 1930's. :p

closer to post Vietnam 70's. need Bank failures to get the 30's and now we got FDIC and bail outs so much less likely.
Tolvan
11-11-2008, 00:14
Can the US, financially, sustain a war with Russia? I mean, there´s the war in Iraq going and all...

The war in Iraq could be ended in a matter of weeks if the US so chose. While the country would completely disintergrate, the US forces and budgets could be freed up for others uses.


Hmm, this seems very 1950s like. The first person who posted was a wee bit clueless about this. America and Russia aren't rivals anymore. It's America and China that will have the big problems.

Not likely, the US and Chinese economies are too interwoven to make an all out war possible. The Chinese could hurt the US by dumping its debt holdings, but a large portion of the Chinese economy consists of manufacturing consmer goods for the US. Now I think in about 20 years the US may trade Taiwa to the PRC in exchange for the PRC forgiving the US debts.
Andaluciae
11-11-2008, 00:16
Lets all look at the facts:

America is the 2nd biggest nation in the world, and yes while USA has the ability to throw money around when it wants, it has become to used to doing just that to get what it wants, and if it runs low on money, then it finally sees a problem with that system of doing things.
The american system keeps its public system at a level where the people only learn to levels that it wants them to be, and any individual that becomes too intelligent is treated as an outsider because they are too intellectual for the basic american.
When it comes to war, the USA troops are filled with blind patriotism or a cowboy attitude of "lets go be a hero", and as such, suffer high side-effects
[last i checked, USA was issuing prozac or something to its troops in the middle east]

Russia on the other hand, is the worlds biggest nation, and while it does not have much money to do things as USA does, Russia has proven that it doesnt need money to win wars.
Russian technology is based on reliability and practicality at a low cost, and if Russia ever did grow in financial power, it would not build expensive things, it would just build alot more of what it has.
The Russian education system does not set a level on what its people learn, and it also permits its people free education, so any russian citizen can continue to learn and learn as they wish
Russians are a bred to themselves, they know that there is a time for work and a time for play, and do not mix the two, so Russians at war keep their minds on the task at hand, and can survive like this for long periods of time with little effect to their psychology.


At the end of the day, with or without the use of WMD in a war between Russia and USA, the Russians still hold superior numbers, more reliable technology, and the force of will to fight to the last

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[NS]KP1
11-11-2008, 00:24
If they use WMDs, everyone loses. End of story.

Enough said.
Dyakovo
11-11-2008, 00:37
Can the US, financially, sustain a war with Russia? I mean, there´s the war in Iraq going and all...

No, but if we are assuming no WMD's for this scenario (i.e. a total disconnect from reality) then we can assume that neither the U.S. nor Russia is involved in other conflicts.
Katganistan
11-11-2008, 00:39
Lets all look at the facts:

America is the 2nd biggest nation in the world, and yes while USA has the ability to throw money around when it wants, it has become to used to doing just that to get what it wants, and if it runs low on money, then it finally sees a problem with that system of doing things.
The american system keeps its public system at a level where the people only learn to levels that it wants them to be, and any individual that becomes too intelligent is treated as an outsider because they are too intellectual for the basic american.
When it comes to war, the USA troops are filled with blind patriotism or a cowboy attitude of "lets go be a hero", and as such, suffer high side-effects
[last i checked, USA was issuing prozac or something to its troops in the middle east]

Russia on the other hand, is the worlds biggest nation, and while it does not have much money to do things as USA does, Russia has proven that it doesnt need money to win wars.
Russian technology is based on reliability and practicality at a low cost, and if Russia ever did grow in financial power, it would not build expensive things, it would just build alot more of what it has.
The Russian education system does not set a level on what its people learn, and it also permits its people free education, so any russian citizen can continue to learn and learn as they wish
Russians are a bred to themselves, they know that there is a time for work and a time for play, and do not mix the two, so Russians at war keep their minds on the task at hand, and can survive like this for long periods of time with little effect to their psychology.


At the end of the day, with or without the use of WMD in a war between Russia and USA, the Russians still hold superior numbers, more reliable technology, and the force of will to fight to the last
Are you serious? The highlighted is due to laziness and to anti-intellectual children making the smart ones think that achievement is wrong -- it's certainly NOT something the education system encourages.

Source, please.
Dyakovo
11-11-2008, 00:39
Are you serious?

Based on past performances, I'd say that yes he is.
Conserative Morality
11-11-2008, 00:43
Can the US, financially, sustain a war with Russia? I mean, there´s the war in Iraq going and all...

On the off-chance we did get in a war with Russia, no one would be thinking about Iraq. We'd pull out (As long as a large majority of us supported the war with Russia.)
Augmark
11-11-2008, 01:07
The US would win a war with Russia, with no WMDs, without a doubt. For starters, Factories would be needed to make weapons of war, and would create thousands of Jobs over night, and would boost the economy. Spending elsewhere would have to be decreased to some extent. The US can employ 6 carrier strike groups simultaniously, and another two within 30 days. Russias Navy is seriously lacking. The US airforce alone could pound Russia into submission. Russian airforce training is no where near that of US training. The US ground forces, have the best equipment in the world, such as the M1 Abrams main battle tank, which is unmatched by Russian tanks. Above all, The US has emmense Logistics capability. We can cloth, feed, and supply our troops anywhere in the world. Russia is once again lacking in this department. Russia may look tough on the outside, but on the inside, it is filled with crime, political insecurity, and an economy which has seen better days. Maybe in 30 years, Russia could be on par with us, just maybe.
Santiago I
11-11-2008, 01:11
The US would win a war with Russia, with no WMDs, without a doubt. For starters, Factories would be needed to make weapons of war, and would create thousands of Jobs over night, and would boost the economy. Spending elsewhere would have to be decreased to some extent. The US can employ 6 carrier strike groups simultaniously, and another two within 30 days. Russias Navy is seriously lacking. The US airforce alone could pound Russia into submission. Russian airforce training is no where near that of US training. The US ground forces, have the best equipment in the world, such as the M1 Abrams main battle tank, which is unmatched by Russian tanks. Above all, The US has emmense Logistics capability. We can cloth, feed, and supply our troops anywhere in the world. Russia is once again lacking in this department. USA may look tough on the outside, but on the inside, it is filled with crime, political insecurity, and an economy which has seen better days. Maybe in 30 years, Russia could be on par with us, just maybe.

fixed!
Augmark
11-11-2008, 01:14
fixed!


Ha.....I guess you could also see it like that, but all my Previous statements before that still stand.
Augmark
11-11-2008, 01:15
And The US is very tough on the inside as well
The Jaran Peoples
11-11-2008, 01:22
1) Russia is better discribed in that first post than america, discluding the money thing, 2) Russia would lose because it relies on U.S. grain to feed most of its population, 3) the u.s. has more nukes, but Russia has enough anthrax to wipe out every living orginisim on earth. 4) Russia doesnt have the kind of millitary organization to face the U.S., Afghanistan was similar in organization to russia, and we where at the capital in 2 weeks
Santiago I
11-11-2008, 01:26
Ha.....I guess you could also see it like that, but all my Previous statements before that still stand.

I just fixed the part that needed to be fixed.

And The US is very tough on the inside as well

no, not really. Russians are waaaaaaaay tougher. Still being tough doesn't wins wars.
Chernobyl-Pripyat
11-11-2008, 01:46
1) Russia is better discribed in that first post than america, discluding the money thing, 2) Russia would lose because it relies on U.S. grain to feed most of its population, 3) the u.s. has more nukes, but Russia has enough anthrax to wipe out every living orginisim on earth. 4) Russia doesnt have the kind of millitary organization to face the U.S., Afghanistan was similar in organization to russia, and we where at the capital in 2 weeks



You really don't know what you're talking about.
Leistung
11-11-2008, 01:51
no, not really. Russians are waaaaaaaay tougher. Still being tough doesn't wins wars.

Yeah, being tough essentially amounts to nothing. You're not surviving a Tomahawk missile even if you're Russian. Or made of metal.
Knights of Liberty
11-11-2008, 02:54
you know China's stock market is down 50%
and they sunk 20% of their GDP in a stimulus package.

Its time the world be poor and at peace.

Gee, go figure. When the country that buys all your shit is too poor to buy your shit, your economy tanks.

Yeah, being tough essentially amounts to nothing. You're not surviving a Tomahawk missile even if you're Russian. Or made of metal.

Ahh guns, the great equalizer.
greed and death
11-11-2008, 03:20
Gee, go figure. When the country that buys all your shit is too poor to buy your shit, your economy tanks.


The countries. Everyone has tanked.
Augmark
11-11-2008, 05:06
I just fixed the part that needed to be fixed.



no, not really. Russians are waaaaaaaay tougher. Still being tough doesn't wins wars.

I'm not disagreeing, The Russians are extremly tough, have you seen Spetsnaz Training?

The US is home to some tough crowds as well, but toughness does not matter in modern war. Bullets and bombs determine who lives and who dies, and they don't care how tough you are.
Stoklomolvi
11-11-2008, 05:35
One word: Putin. The epitome of modern Russian toughness.

In a war between Russia and the USA, the world would be ripped to pieces. For all we know, Russia could just keep firing its missiles at Canada or even Sakhalin and the residual radiation/initial electromagnetic disruptions would thrust the world into utter chaos. From there, look at a big floating ball of nuclear fire or the world of Fallout only without any inhabitants.
greed and death
11-11-2008, 05:49
One word: Putin. The epitome of modern Russian toughness.

In a war between Russia and the USA, the world would be ripped to pieces. For all we know, Russia could just keep firing its missiles at Canada or even Sakhalin and the residual radiation/initial electromagnetic disruptions would thrust the world into utter chaos. From there, look at a big floating ball of nuclear fire or the world of Fallout only without any inhabitants.

Our president is black now so he can whoop Putin's ass.
Knights of Liberty
11-11-2008, 05:51
Our president is black now so he can whoop Putin's ass.

As long as he doesnt hold his gun sideways.
greed and death
11-11-2008, 06:01
As long as he doesnt hold his gun sideways.

yeah Obama can whip Putin's ass except for during a pistol duel.
Stoklomolvi
11-11-2008, 07:37
Obama is only half-black. Thus, he cannot. Putin is 100% Russian, lives in Russia, and knows what borscht is. He wins.
Velka Morava
11-11-2008, 13:35
Russia holds a lot of power, and it's ready to fight, but US isn't all San Francisco. If you visit both countries, you'll find that US is actually quite like Russia. Space, population, mindsets, psychology. Only US is the successful winner, and Russia is running behind.

Actually in there is a saying here that russians and americans are the same. The only difference being that americans have a better understanding of toothbrush use.
New Wallonochia
11-11-2008, 13:43
When it comes to war, the USA troops are filled with blind patriotism or a cowboy attitude of "lets go be a hero", and as such, suffer high side-effects
[last i checked, USA was issuing prozac or something to its troops in the middle east]

They've already been pointed out but I'd like again to say that the first statement is quite silly. Honestly, who told you these things? That's not a rhetorical question, I really would like to know how you formed that opinion.

As for the second one, as was also previously stated, Prozac is issued to US troops in the same way it's issued to US civilians. If it's medically needed it's prescribed if not, it's not. The only thing the Army gives away like candy is 800mg Motrin, and that's the Army's solution for any medical problem. That, and drinking more water.
Nogolieaha
11-11-2008, 13:47
Russia can blow up Ammerica right now without thinking........... Because thge United States army men are spread out all over the world givving aid and humanitarian helps..... And if we do have war with America and Russia, it world be World War 4 and the 1 of these countries will let loose of a nuclear weaopen..... If that dose happen WE WILL ALL DIE
Exilia and Colonies
11-11-2008, 13:55
Russia can blow up Ammerica right now without thinking...........
Fail.
Because thge United States army men are spread out all over the world givving aid and humanitarian helps.....
The Navy however is well positioned to stop the Russians landing.
And if we do have war with America and Russia, it world be World War 4
Epic Fail
and the 1 of these countries will let loose of a nuclear weaopen.....
Neither side is that stupid
If that dose happen WE WILL ALL DIE
Not all of us.
Vault 10
11-11-2008, 15:48
Obama is only half-black. Thus, he cannot. Putin is 100% Russian, lives in Russia, and knows what borscht is. He wins.
Actually, Putin is a French surname.

Makes you wonder about what he likes to put in and where.
Hotwife
11-11-2008, 15:50
yeah Obama can whip Putin's ass except for during a pistol duel.

Yeah, but Obama has a larger penis.
Vault 10
11-11-2008, 16:04
Yeah, but Obama has a larger penis.
I think Putin practices Penis Quigong, so of course he has a hueg cawk, hueger even than pinus nigra.

However, since he's not black, he doesn't know that CAWK GOES IN DA ASS.
Kirchensittenbach
11-11-2008, 19:25
Once again, russia and the US will both lose. Newest leaders will be nukeless, far-out-of-the-way countries like Brazil, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa.

Yeah it is sad that when the major problem nations like usa and china are gone, there are so many small problem nations out there to carry on the tradition of being **** leadership


Zombie Napoleon raises from the grave realizes Russia doesn't have any nukes and France nukes Russia then takes over the world.
and no one saw it coming.

Hmmm, if Napolean's men are zombies, then when they invade Russia in the winter again, they wont freeze to death this time


It's America and China that will have the big problems.

Even more than you think, just how many chinese are living in the USA, and will jump in to aid their comrades when the chinese army invades usa?



In a war between Russia and the USA, the world would be ripped to pieces. From there, look at a big floating ball of nuclear fire or the world of Fallout only without any inhabitants.

As far as the Fallout idea goes, would usa actually go to the trouble of building vaults? And yet Russia's halfway there with all those underground cities they just need to renovate
Nanatsu no Tsuki
11-11-2008, 19:44
No, but if we are assuming no WMD's for this scenario (i.e. a total disconnect from reality) then we can assume that neither the U.S. nor Russia is involved in other conflicts.

I see. But wouldn´t that affect the US´s economy more than it already is? Or is that a means to boost it with military weapons sales? I´m curious.
Tolvan
11-11-2008, 20:43
Even more than you think, just how many chinese are living in the USA, and will jump in to aid their comrades when the chinese army invades usa?


Considering that the 2010 Census estimates indicates that only 4.6% of the US population will be Asian (and many of those aren't even Chinese) they're still absurdly outnumbered. Also, how does the PRC get ground troops to land on American soil. They can't even muster enough air and sea lift to invade Taiwan. Finally, you're assuming everyone of Chinese ancestory is some sort of sleeper agent. The US thought that about the Japanese in WWII and it was unfounded then. Plenty of Japanese-Americans joined up to fight Japan.

Census Link (http://www.census.gov/population/www/projections/usinterimproj/natprojtab01a.pdf)
greed and death
11-11-2008, 20:45
Hmmm, if Napolean's men are zombies, then when they invade Russia in the winter again, they wont freeze to death this time



I was thinking the nukes could keep the soldiers warm.
Hotwife
11-11-2008, 20:46
I was thinking the nukes could keep the soldiers warm.

here, have some marshmallows for toasting...
Euroslavia
11-11-2008, 20:48
Lets all look at the facts:
When it comes to war, the USA troops are filled with blind patriotism or a cowboy attitude of "lets go be a hero", and as such, suffer high side-effects
[last i checked, USA was issuing prozac or something to its troops in the middle east]
God forbid that US troops actually have a sense of pride in anything that they do for their nation.


Russia on the other hand, is the worlds biggest nation, and while it does not have much money to do things as USA does, Russia has proven that it doesnt need money to win wars.
No, all Russia needs to win a war is to defend it's own territory, thanks to the geography of the nation. Make it an offensive war, and things will change drastically.
Euroslavia
11-11-2008, 20:51
Russia can blow up Ammerica right now without thinking........... Because thge United States army men are spread out all over the world givving aid and humanitarian helps..... And if we do have war with America and Russia, it world be World War 4 and the 1 of these countries will let loose of a nuclear weaopen..... If that dose happen WE WILL ALL DIE

Wow, umm..... no?

Russia does have the ability to 'blow us up', but we have the ability to retaliate before we're hit. America could have 0 active and ready troops and still have the ability to blow Russia up (nuclear weaponry). Either way, the entire world is screwed if that happens.