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I mean, you'd get the see the new jury system bra in action then!
http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Triumph+Launch+Jury+System+Bra+EpE-xUXfNJ7l.jpg
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/CKThriGj4_1/Triumph+Launch+Jury+System+Bra/2Mh1lFcunHI

BTW, the wording in picture 4 means "Fairness" or "Equality" as in equal before the law.

But at least now we know what TCT and Neo Art get up to in those legal briefs of theirs. ;)

I suspect Neesika would be interested in these legal briefs as well. You know what a fine legal mind she has.

So I guess the girl has an A or a B cup then.

I suspect Neesika would be interested in these legal briefs as well. You know what a fine legal mind she has.
Very, very true. I just felt that it would be better NOT to mention that if she took offense and has a large sword like said model as well. ;)

So I guess the girl has an A or a B cup then.
Er, why would you think so?

But at least now we know what TCT and Neo Art get up to in those legal briefs of theirs. ;)

I suspect Neesika would be interested in these legal briefs as well. You know what a fine legal mind she has.

Do NA and TCT wear briefs?

Do NA and TCT wear briefs?Subpoena time.

I mean, you'd get the see the new jury system bra in action then!
http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Triumph+Launch+Jury+System+Bra+EpE-xUXfNJ7l.jpg
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/CKThriGj4_1/Triumph+Launch+Jury+System+Bra/2Mh1lFcunHI

BTW, the wording in picture 4 means "Fairness" or "Equality" as in equal before the law.

But at least now we know what TCT and Neo Art get up to in those legal briefs of theirs. ;)

Wow. She has a very nice smile.

Odd.

It doesn't look very comfortable.

Wow. She has a very nice smile.

I dunno, it looks kinda faked to me. Like she's forcing herself to smile.

I dunno, it looks kinda faked to me. Like she's forcing herself to smile.
She's a model. What'da expect?

It looks like it gives no support and makes your chest look a ridiculous shape

She's a model. What'da expect?

*shrugs* Just pointing out my awesome observation skill?

It looks like it gives no support and makes your chest look a ridiculous shape

It certainly does not look like the optimum shape to provide any sort of support for a breast size matching the cup. Not unless you have horribly misshapen breasts that suddenly jut out from a relatively flat curvature.

Odd.

It doesn't look very comfortable.

Ah, that's Japanese lingerie makers for ya. Triumph has a new "concept" bra everyother month it seems. Memorable ones include the soccer balls for World Cup 2002, the musical Mozart bra, and "my chopstick".

Ah, that's Japanese lingerie makers for ya. Triumph has a new "concept" bra everyother month it seems. Memorable ones include the soccer balls for World Cup 2002, the musical Mozart bra, and "my chopstick".
I LIKED the chopstick one. Couldn't get my wife to go for it though. :(

If you'll excuse me, NERVUN, I'd like to, *ahem* cross-examine the witness.

Ah, that's Japanese lingerie makers for ya. Triumph has a new "concept" bra everyother month it seems. Memorable ones include the soccer balls for World Cup 2002, the musical Mozart bra, and "my chopstick".

I found this nice website (http://inventorspot.com/articles/best_8_bizarre_bras_triumph_inte_8275) that gives us an additional eight, complete with pictures. I too especially like the chopstick ones, and the ones that comes with microwavable pads - that'd feel awesome.

I mean, you'd get the see the new jury system bra in action then!
http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Triumph+Launch+Jury+System+Bra+EpE-xUXfNJ7l.jpg
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/CKThriGj4_1/Triumph+Launch+Jury+System+Bra/2Mh1lFcunHI

BTW, the wording in picture 4 means "Fairness" or "Equality" as in equal before the law.

But at least now we know what TCT and Neo Art get up to in those legal briefs of theirs. ;)
legal briefs -- boxers, bikinis, or tidy whities?

legal briefs -- boxers, bikinis, or tidy whities?

That's "tighty" whities, but I'd go for the hybrid boxer-briefs, legally speaking: pugnacious but laconic.

That's "tighty" whities, but I'd go for the hybrid boxer-briefs, legally speaking: pugnacious but laconic.

I've seen it written both ways, but boxer-briefs ftw.

Guys should NOT wear bikinis unless they are in REALLY good shape, imnsho.

Very, very true. I just felt that it would be better NOT to mention that if she took offense and has a large sword like said model as well. ;)

I'm willing to forgive most anything if I'm offered hot asian chicks in amusing bras.

I've seen it written both ways, but boxer-briefs ftw.

Guys should NOT wear bikinis unless they are in REALLY good shape, imnsho.

I dunno, it seems most briefs would be far from "tidy" unless relatively new. Tight, however, they are, which is why I switch to the hybrid.

Agreed on the bananahammock front.

I'm willing to forgive most anything if I'm offered hot asian chicks in amusing bras.

And I'M willing to FILM anything involving you and hot Asian chicks in amusing bras.

Do NA and TCT wear briefs?

I leave that to your imagination.

Real lawyers go commando under the robes :wink:

Odd.

It doesn't look very comfortable.

That's justice for you - justice is harsh, and cold, and pointy and chafing.

Hiromi Nishiuchi, campaign girl for lingerie maker Triumph International Japan, displays the "Jury System Bra", designed as a scale and inspired by the image of Lady Justice at their headquarter on November 6, 2008 in Tokyo, Japan. Japan will start the citizen judge system from May 2009.

Citizen Judge System? :confused:

legal briefs -- boxers, bikinis, or tidy whities?

err... Egyptian Leather Thong?

I dunno, it looks kinda faked to me. Like she's forcing herself to smile.

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Oh...now that I think about it...you're right.

Sorry, it's hard to tell with pictures...

Real lawyers go commando under the robes :wink:

Norwegian lawyers have to wear robes? Hee. :tongue:

Citizen Judge System? :confused:


Japan's finally getting a version of juries. Until now the judge did all the judging of the defendants guilt. Now some citizens come and give him a hand.

Do women often find themselves in situations where they are topless and need to determine which of two objects in their possession is heavier?

Japan's finally getting a version of juries. Until now the judge did all the judging of the defendants guilt. Now some citizens come and give him a hand.

ah, ok, that makes sense.

I would totally wear that. :tongue:

I would totally wear that. :tongue:

for great justice

*nods*

Japan's finally getting a version of juries.Finally?

Finally?
Yup. It tried a jury system waaaaay back around the 1920's, but quickly abandoned it. It hasn't had one since.

I would totally wear that. :tongue:

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Oh really now?

Yup. It tried a jury system waaaaay back around the 1920's, but quickly abandoned it. It hasn't had one since.

...what the hell has their court system been, then?

...what the hell has their court system been, then?

trial by judge.

a court system isn't automatically trial-by-jury.

I would totally wear that. :tongue:

I would totally take pics of the above. Also for great justice.

trial by judge.

a court system isn't automatically trial-by-jury.

Is there an international ranking for the fairness of trials in various nations? (I assume there is.)

What does Japan rank as?

...what the hell has their court system been, then?
A mess?

Seriously, it has been trial by judge and a LOT of Japanese are nervous about this whole citizen judge thing. They don't like the idea that they will be called on to judge the guilt of others and they don't like the idea that regular citizens might judge them. As my wife puts it, it's a judge's job to know the laws and how they apply. She (my wife) isn't qualified to sit in judgment and is afraid that regular citizens also will not be able to judge rightly.

My wife, BTW, has a BA equivalent in law from a Japanese university.

I've been finding it fascinating to argue with her about it as trial by jury is just one of those rights Americans take for granted and can't imagine it any other way or that someone would want it any other way.

Is there an international ranking for the fairness of trials in various nations? (I assume there is.)

What does Japan rank as?
Japan has a 99% conviction rate, that should tell you something. The new citizen judge system was also put into place to silence international critics such as the UN and Amnesty International, which should tell you something else.

Do women often find themselves in situations where they are topless and need to determine which of two objects in their position is heavier?
Of course, doesn't everybody?

A mess?

Seriously, it has been trial by judge and a LOT of Japanese are nervous about this whole citizen judge thing. They don't like the idea that they will be called on to judge the guilt of others and they don't like the idea that regular citizens might judge them. As my wife puts it, it's a judge's job to know the laws and how they apply. She (my wife) isn't qualified to sit in judgment and is afraid that regular citizens also will not be able to judge rightly.

My wife, BTW, has a BA equivalent in law from a Japanese university.

I've been finding it fascinating to argue with her about it as trial by jury is just one of those rights Americans take for granted and can't imagine it any other way or that someone would want it any other way.

Japan has a 99% conviction rate, that should tell you something. The new citizen judge system was also put into place to silence international critics such as the UN and Amnesty International, which should tell you something else.
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I see. Remind me to never get accused of a crime in Japan.

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I see. Remind me to never get accused of a crime in Japan.
You would be wise not to do so, yes.

(I guess this explains why the Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney games have such a messed up system...it's not that it's crazy, but that it's just Japan.)

(I guess this explains why the Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney games have such a messed up system...it's not that it's crazy, but that it's just Japan.)

I think you'll find that "Japan" and "crazy" are synonyms.

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I see. Remind me to never get accused of a crime in Japan.

... I would think one would strive never to get accused of any crime anywhere. :D

for great justice

*nods*

Exactly!

... I would think one would strive never to get accused of any crime anywhere. :D

Well, yeah. Not the point. :p

Japan has a 99% conviction rate

Isn't that because the prosecutors only bother trying people they know they'll convict?

Citizen Judge System? :confused:

AKA "saiban-in". There will be 6 "citizen judges" and three pros (and uin some cases it'll be 4 and 1).

The saiban-in system is due to commence in 2009. This system is such that those members of the general public who have been selected by lot will participate in trials for the most serious of criminal cases. They will determine the sentences, including whether or not the defendant is guilty or not guilty, together with professional judges. Once this system commences it is hoped that more people will feel involved in the justice process. The Ministry of Justice has been actively involved in publicizing and promoting the saiban-in system so that more people will be able to understand its role and functions.
http://www.moj.go.jp/ENGLISH/issues/issues03.html

Japan is preparing to adopt a jury-style system in its courts in 2009, the most significant change in its criminal justice system since the postwar American occupation. But for it to work, the Japanese must first overcome some deep-rooted cultural obstacles: a reluctance to express opinions in public, to argue with one another and to question authority.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/16/world/asia/16jury.html?ex=1342238400&en=e03e6e32d7b87f74&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Yup. It tried a jury system waaaaay back around the 1920's, but quickly abandoned it. It hasn't had one since.

23-43 to be exact. ;)

...what the hell has their court system been, then?

1 judge, aided by 2 assistants in certain cases.

Is there an international ranking for the fairness of trials in various nations? (I assume there is.)

What does Japan rank as?

I've gotta run off before I can dig up some good data for ya, but off the cuff, better than most of Asia, but much worse than Europe or NA.

A mess?

Indeed.

Japan has a 99% conviction rate, that should tell you something. The new citizen judge system was also put into place to silence international critics such as the UN and Amnesty International, which should tell you something else.

As well as the new rules for video taping interrogations... welll at least the confession part...

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I see. Remind me to never get accused of a crime in Japan.

Absolutely.

Isn't that because the prosecutors only bother trying people they know they'll convict?

It's much more than that. It's not too much of an exaggeration to say that police interrogators in this country could probably give the ones at Gitmo some tips on subtlety...

Isn't that because the prosecutors only bother trying people they know they'll convict?
Not... quite. As Daistallia noted, the police are well known for their ability to get the criminal to confess. A lot of those convictions are due to signed confessions produced by the police during the trial.

The other issue is one of culture, the somewhat Confucian value system that still remains the basis of the legal system here has the tendency to assume that if you're brought up before a judge, you must have done SOMETHING. Even though the notion of innocent before proven guilty is in the Japanese Constitution (Placed there by the American occupation) it still really hasn't caught on.

Not... quite. As Daistallia noted, the police are well known for their ability to get the criminal to confess. A lot of those convictions are due to signed confessions produced by the police during the trial.

The other issue is one of culture, the somewhat Confucian value system that still remains the basis of the legal system here has the tendency to assume that if you're brought up before a judge, you must have done SOMETHING. Even though the notion of innocent before proven guilty is in the Japanese Constitution (Placed there by the American occupation) it still really hasn't caught on.

Indeed.

For those interested, here's some of what happens when you get arrested in Japan.

Substitute prison system (daiyo-kangoku)

The daiyo-kangoku system of pre-trial detention continued to allow police to hold suspects in police cells without charge for up to 23 days, a practice that facilitates the extraction of "confessions" under duress. Under the daiyo-kangoku system, suspects are solely under the control of the police; there are no rules or regulations regarding the duration of interrogation; lawyers' access to clients during questioning is restricted; and there is no electronic recording of interviews by police.*

During 2006 amendments to legislation concerning daiyo-kangoku were introduced, giving the daiyo-kangoku system legal status for the first time. The amendments provide for detainees to be informed of some of their rights and for lawyers to be appointed, but only after charges have been brought. Detainees are usually charged only after they have "confessed". AI had long campaigned for abolition of the daiyo-kangoku system rather than its reform.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/japan/report-2007

Torture and other ill-treatment

In May, the UN Committee against Torture (CAT) examined the Japanese government’s initial report, due since July 2000, and raised serious concerns that the daiyo-kangoku (a system of pre-trial detention) does not comply with international standards. It highlighted the lack of an independent system for monitoring police custody and an effective complaints system.

* In November, the Osaka district court rejected a confession taken during a pre-trial investigation because of the suspicion, based on a digital recording of the interrogation, that it had been forced. This was the first ever acquittal of a suspect at trial due to a digital recording.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/japan/report-2008

Prison Conditions in Japan

Prisoners in Japan face routine violations of human rights from the moment of arrest through the end of their prison term. After being apprehended, Japanese suspects are placed in police detention (daiyo-kangoku) where they face severe pressure, often involving physical abuse, in order to obtain confessions. They are transferred to detention centers after indictment where they stay until their sentencing, a period that can last several years. They are then moved to prisons where they are subjected to a complex set of rules that regulates every aspect of daily life. Infraction means punishment, and one of the most common forms of punishment is prolonged solitary confinement. Prisoners who complain about their treatment may face particular abuse or retaliation. Sentenced prisoners have tightly restricted access to legal counsel and to contact with the outside world, and death row prisoners sometimes spend decades in total isolation.
Human Rights Watch calls on the Japanese government to bring its treatment of prisoners into line with the international human rights law by which the country is bound and acknowledge that prisoners have both obligations and rights.
http://www.hrw.org/research/japan.html

*Note: starting this year, the rules have been changed and partial recordings are to be made. As noted above, now prisoners can have their coecred confession recorded. :rolleyes:

CHIBA--Chiba prefectural police video-recorded part of the interrogation of a criminal suspect Tuesday on a trial basis, the first police organization to do so. But critics said the partial recording will do nothing to stop police from resorting to inappropriate questioning to coerce confessions out of suspects.

The DVD recording was made as part of preparations for the new citizen judge system to start in May next year, in which lay judges chosen from the public will serve alongside professionals in criminal trials.

Such recordings are intended to show lay judges that a confession was not forced.

Police officials had previously opposed any recording of the questioning process, but police have started making partial recordings. Police in Tokyo and Osaka, Kanagawa and Saitama prefectures are expected to follow suit. The National Police Agency is to release the results of such trials by March next year.

Chiba prefectural police recorded about 20 minutes of the questioning process of a male suspect from 11 a.m. Tuesday at a police station. The man was arrested on the spot on suspicion of rape and inflicting injuries.

Police obtained an agreement from the suspect to record the images.

The recording showed: an investigator reading out a written confession from the suspect; the suspect signing and giving a fingerprint on the paper; and the investigator asking if the suspect had anything to add.
Chiba police and the National Police Agency did not reveal details of the case, citing the ongoing investigation.

Lawyers and those wrongly charged said the partial recording does not make clear the process that led to the confession and will fail to prevent improper questioning by law enforcement authorities.

They demanded full recordings of the questioning process.

An NPA official said full recordings would have a detrimental effect on investigations.

"The investigator (of the Chiba prefectural police) said, 'I felt that the suspect became more tense when being recorded than during usual questioning.'

"If we record all parts of the questioning, (negative) influences are inevitable."(IHT/Asahi: September 4,2008)
http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:5ghDHjKw3h8J:www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200809040068.html+japan+police+recording+confession+chiba+asahi&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

Norwegian lawyers have to wear robes? Hee. :tongue:
Lawyers and judges. No wigs though.

Yup. It tried a jury system waaaaay back around the 1920's, but quickly abandoned it. It hasn't had one since.
Lucky. We should kill our jury system as soon as possible! It's a factor that makes trials more unfair.

Is there an international ranking for the fairness of trials in various nations? (I assume there is.)
Possibly, since there are rankings for everything. But I don't see how you would rank it, least of all if you're trying to hold it up to some sort of objective, universal standard.

First, I guess you should start defining "fairness".

First, I guess you should start defining "fairness".
Fairness is that black bikini pantie that girl is wearing in the photos. :D

Fairness is having the right to counsel and habeus corpus, which are technically guaranteed by the Japanese constitution but generally ignored. The pressure on the police is to find a culprit for the crime and get them to confess. Who knows how many innocent people Japan has imprisoned or executed. It's hard to know because the system's so opaque.

I found this nice website (http://inventorspot.com/articles/best_8_bizarre_bras_triumph_inte_8275) that gives us an additional eight, complete with pictures. I too especially like the chopstick ones, and the ones that comes with microwavable pads - that'd feel awesome.

Here's a whole bunch more, including the soccer one:
http://blog.japundit.com/sitemap/triumph-international-theme-undies/

I mean, you'd get the see the new jury system bra in action then!
http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Triumph+Launch+Jury+System+Bra+EpE-xUXfNJ7l.jpg
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/CKThriGj4_1/Triumph+Launch+Jury+System+Bra/2Mh1lFcunHI

BTW, the wording in picture 4 means "Fairness" or "Equality" as in equal before the law.

But at least now we know what TCT and Neo Art get up to in those legal briefs of theirs. ;)

:hail::hail:Thank God and Asia for justice and balances...mmmm sexy juicy justice and balances. :p :D

Odd.

It doesn't look very comfortable.

Uncomfortable with tight limits of justice are we??? :tongue::mad:

It looks like it gives no support and makes your chest look a ridiculous shape

Justice supports all:) ;)