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The other day, it seems I discovered quite a bit of latent hostility towards a good deal of my McCain voting peers. Hostility with a touch of condescension, in fact. Quite honestly I don't much care for it.

Thing is, I'm not entirely sure what caused it.

I find it kinda odd - everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Fear. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. That is the path to the Dark Side.

Fear. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. That is the path to the Dark Side.

Help you I can, yes! :p

The other day, it seems I discovered quite a bit of latent hostility towards a good deal of my McCain voting peers. Hostility with a touch of condescension, in fact. Quite honestly I don't much care for it.

Thing is, I'm not entirely sure what caused it.

I bear no hostility towards McCain voters. Why should I? My party won, I have nothing to feel hostile about on the presidential front.

I do bear some hostility towards those extremists who think this will be the end of America (New Potomac comes to mind), but I hardly think that they represent all McCain voters.

Embrace the dark side, we all know bottling it up is worse

I bear no hostility towards McCain voters. Why should I? My party won, I have nothing to feel hostile about on the presidential front.

I do bear some hostility towards those extremists who think this will be the end of America (New Potomac comes to mind), but I hardly think that they represent all McCain voters.

Well the ones I'm disliking are the ones who keep claiming that "we is going 2 b sochalist" or even one who was like "glad ur diktator 1?"

I think the hostility has been directed towards those few disillusioned and spiteful troglodytes who invited it. There are legitimate reasons to have supported McCain, even if we don't agree with them, and I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

The other day, it seems I discovered quite a bit of latent hostility towards a good deal of my McCain voting peers. Hostility with a touch of condescension, in fact. Quite honestly I don't much care for it.

Thing is, I'm not entirely sure what caused it.

It's because Democrats enjoy gloating.

It's because Democrats enjoy gloating.

Gloating =/= anger.

Gloating =/= anger.

Dont feed the troll.

Gloating =/= anger.

If you (figurative you) ruthlessly keep a party down and demonize its members for 8 years, what do you expect when they beat you? "Oh yes, it's quite all right that you said we supported the terrorists, and were traitors, and were commies, and said that we hated America and wanted more of its people to get killed and wanted to teach kids to be gay and all that other stuff, no hard feelings." That seems a tad bit unrealistic, doesn't it?

I'm not angry, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to gloat just a bit about it. I know it's unseemly to gloat, but really. Being on the winning side is kinda nice sometimes.

I think the hostility has been directed towards those few disillusioned and spiteful troglodytes who invited it.

It's because Democrats enjoy gloating.
Well, speak of the devil.

Dont feed the troll.

Most of us already have him on Ignore, but I just ignore what he posts anyway. :)

Well, speak of the devil.

No, he had a point. Many of them were asking for it. What, with all that "Obama is teh trrerist!" shit.

Most of us already have him on Ignore, but I just ignore what he posts anyway. :)

Indeed, I just wish when I had someone on ignore I wouldnt have to read what they post when theyre quoted.

Indeed, I just wish when I had someone on ignore I wouldnt have to read what they post when theyre quoted.

Yeah, thats true.

One of my friends whom supported McCain came over to my house red-faced, and proceeded to yell the most heinous profanities at me because I supported "terror and socialism."

What the shit? LOL. I just looked at him squarely in the eyes and said "Okay, see ya tomorrow."

One of my friends whom supported McCain came over to my house red-faced, and proceeded to yell the most heinous profanities at me because I supported "terror and socialism."

What the shit? LOL. I just looked at him squarely in the eyes and said "Okay, see ya tomorrow."

Find better friends.

Find better friends.Luckily he's the only McCain supporter I'm friends with... I think. I hope. :eek:

Luckily he's the only McCain supporter I'm friends with... I think. I hope. :eek:

Its not the McCain supporter part that prompted my comment. More his reaction and irrationalism.

I'm not angry, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to gloat just a bit about it. I know it's unseemly to gloat, but really. Being on the winning side is kinda nice sometimes.

We'll have this conversation again in 8+ years.

Its not the McCain supporter part that prompted my comment. More his reaction and irrationalism.But the less McCainiac friends I have the less people coming to my door to yell at me. :p

Thing is, I'm not entirely sure what caused it.

the fact that they chose wrong on a really really easy test of basic morality and decency?

Well the ones I'm disliking are the ones who keep claiming that "we is going 2 b sochalist" or even one who was like "glad ur diktator 1?"

It's because Democrats enjoy gloating.

You seemed to not read the previous quoted post. The ones Gen is disliking are those who are clearly unhinged at McCain's loss. How is that Democratic gloating?

Luckily he's the only rabid, unreasonable McCain supporter I'm friends with... I think. I hope. :eek:

Fixed. We shouldn't become like those who are bitter and spiteful.

It seems to me that people refuse to vote for McCain because he carries the legacy of the Republican parties George W. Bush, one of their least liked Presidents. Its the same in the UK with Gordon Brown and Tony Blair.

It seems to me that people refuse to vote for McCain because he carries the legacy of the Republican parties George W. Bush, one of their least liked Presidents. Its the same in the UK with Gordon Brown and Tony Blair.

That's just hilarious, considering that Cameron would be far more conservative.

Well....

My father had a conversation with someone who obviously wasn't an Obama supporter. They kept saying statements such as It's the Democrats fault or it's congress's fault. Not Bush's fault or the Republican party. Eventually she got so irrate she called Obama, the N-word. *sighs*

I find it kinda odd - everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Odd not really. Yes of course everybody is entitled to their opinion, and where opions clash there is bound to be feelings of ill will.

Nowt odd about that I would call it quite normal.

Some people are of the opinion that is is fine to have sex with underage kids, some are not. Can you not see how this differance of opionion may turn nasty?

Fixed. We shouldn't become like those who are bitter and spiteful.True, true.

Most of us already have him on Ignore, but I just ignore what he posts anyway. :)

Off topic but, I don't really get the whole ignore thing. It's like, don't people just have the ability to be able to skip over a post?

The other day, it seems I discovered quite a bit of latent hostility towards a good deal of my McCain voting peers. Hostility with a touch of condescension, in fact. Quite honestly I don't much care for it.

Thing is, I'm not entirely sure what caused it.
I would think it might be stated Neo-cons treating liberals as if they were children made to stand in the corner and fume about their lack of power to change things for eight years.

It's because Democrats enjoy gloating.
And because you enjoy trolling?

If you (figurative you) ruthlessly keep a party down and demonize its members for 8 years, what do you expect when they beat you? "Oh yes, it's quite all right that you said we supported the terrorists, and were traitors, and were commies, and said that we hated America and wanted more of its people to get killed and wanted to teach kids to be gay and all that other stuff, no hard feelings." That seems a tad bit unrealistic, doesn't it?

I'm not angry, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to gloat just a bit about it. I know it's unseemly to gloat, but really. Being on the winning side is kinda nice sometimes.
Don't sink to their level, Callisdrun.

One of my friends whom supported McCain came over to my house red-faced, and proceeded to yell the most heinous profanities at me because I supported "terror and socialism."

What the shit? LOL. I just looked at him squarely in the eyes and said "Okay, see ya tomorrow."
:) Classic.
Bet he didn't have a response for that.

The other day, it seems I discovered quite a bit of latent hostility towards a good deal of my McCain voting peers. Hostility with a touch of condescension, in fact. Quite honestly I don't much care for it.

Thing is, I'm not entirely sure what caused it.

so let me get this straight your angry that Obama didn't get 100% of the votes cast or something ???


I think you would be a lot less angry living in North Korea. Their leader always wins with 100% of the vote.

A great many americans are latent fascists. They won't admit it, but they are.

So they are wedded to the Fuhrerprinzip, and when 'their' side loses they act out of all proportion emotionally. This goes for both democrats and republicans. Back in 2004 I remember people being all boobly and shit because Herman Munster didn't win.

I say grow up. Politicians only have as much power as you let them. And always have an escape plan.

True, true.

Indeed. I supported McCain, but I'm not bitter. I'm going with my candidate - we need to support Obama (who I believe is indeed capable of doing a decent job), because we cannot afford disunity at the moment.

so let me get this straight your angry that Obama didn't get 100% of the votes cast or something ???


I think you would be a lot less angry living in North Korea. Their leader always wins with 100% of the vote.

Care to reach any further? You're pretty far out on that limb.

Well the ones I'm disliking are the ones who keep claiming that "we is going 2 b sochalist" or even one who was like "glad ur diktator 1?"


They are talking total shite, without basis in fact. Thus you are angered. Not mysterious at all.

so let me get this straight your angry that Obama didn't get 100% of the votes cast or something ???


I think you would be a lot less angry living in North Korea. Their leader always wins with 100% of the vote.

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What?

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What?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too.

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What?

if you win something it is a bit of a sore winner to be mad at someone who lost.
Chimay starting to talk more

Work with Obama to fix US, voters urge Republicans: poll (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iMUMOOvapK1RKXXvcp5SVyFO7xXg)

US voters want the Republican Party, which took a beating in this week's general elections, to embrace progressiveness and work with Democratic president-elect Barack Obama to get America back on track, a poll showed Friday.

More than three-quarters of 2,000 people surveyed on Tuesday, the day of the historic election which saw Obama become the first African-American elected to the White House, and on Wednesday, said the US has gone "pretty seriously off on the wrong track" and needed change.

Only slightly fewer -- 71 percent -- said Republicans "should give Obama the benefit of the doubt and help him achieve his plans," against 24 percent who said it should oppose the progressive changes proposed by Obama, said the poll by the Campaign for America's Future (CAF) and Democracy Corps.
Even among Republicans, nearly half -- 45 percent -- thought their party should work with the new Democratic Party president elect and help him bring about change.
I'd say the number of people who get personally angry about election results is blown out of proportion.

If you (figurative you) ruthlessly keep a party down and demonize its members for 8 years, what do you expect when they beat you? "Oh yes, it's quite all right that you said we supported the terrorists, and were traitors, and were commies, and said that we hated America and wanted more of its people to get killed and wanted to teach kids to be gay and all that other stuff, no hard feelings." That seems a tad bit unrealistic, doesn't it?

I'm not angry, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to gloat just a bit about it. I know it's unseemly to gloat, but really. Being on the winning side is kinda nice sometimes.

Reminds me of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39nvDbbrsmI). Yeah, I've burned with rage at times from the Republicans questioning my patriotism and my religious faith for being a Democrat, but the truth is, as in that video, it no longer matters who was wrong. It only matters who is suffering. We need to be the better men now and bring our nation back from the brink, and we can't do that by gloating or spiting our fellow citizens. They'll come around on their own.

if you win something it is a bit of a sore winner to be mad at someone who lost.
Chimay starting to talk more

But... I'm mad at them, not who they supported. Plus it doesn't explain why I'm only angry at some of them and not all of them.

But... I'm mad at them, not who they supported. Plus it doesn't explain why I'm only angry at some of them and not all of them.

Valium'll cure what ails ye :p

There are legitimate reasons to have supported McCain, even if we don't agree with them, and I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

Do Tell, please by all means do tell. Aside from fear of Obama, what are they?

Do Tell, please by all means do tell. Aside from fear of Obama, what are they?

Maybe because they agree with this:
On the economy, McCain says he would make the Bush tax cuts permanent instead of letting them expire, eliminate the Alternative Minimum Tax so as to assist the middle-class, double the personal exemption for dependents, reduce the corporate tax rate, and offer a new research and development tax credit. At the same time, he pledges to eliminate pork-barrel spending, freeze nondefense discretionary spending for a year or more, and reduce Medicare growth. McCain is also opposed to high salaries and lucrative severance deals of corporate CEOs and is in favor of Say on pay laws that give stockholders a vote on executive compensation. Another proposal of the Arizona senator is to build 45 new nuclear reactors by 2030, in order to fight climate change and establish U.S. energy independence.

Additionally, McCain proposes that the federal government buy troubled mortgages, and provide low-interest mortgages to qualified homeowners. For people with 401(k) plans, he wants to allow more flexibility about when money can be withdrawn, and would lower the tax on that money, as well as lowering the tax on unemployment insurance benefits. McCain is also proposing to cut the capital gains tax on stock held for more than one year, while increasing the tax write-off for stock losses.

On Iraq, McCain's goal is that by 2013 most servicemen and women will have returned, the Iraq War will have been won, and Iraq will be a functioning democracy, "although still suffering from the lingering effects of decades of tyranny and centuries of sectarian tension." McCain expects that by 2013, there will still be violence, but at a much-reduced level, and without American troops in a direct combat role.

But... I'm mad at them, not who they supported. Plus it doesn't explain why I'm only angry at some of them and not all of them.

Stop being angry or you will become a republican.
anger leads to republicanism.

The other day, it seems I discovered quite a bit of latent hostility towards a good deal of my McCain voting peers. Hostility with a touch of condescension, in fact. Quite honestly I don't much care for it.

Thing is, I'm not entirely sure what caused it.

Um...it's called "It ain't sunk in yet-they won." Democrats have been seething and bubbling with hostility since 1994 when they (temporarily, it turns out) lost control of Congress. It boiled into irrational hatred when their attempted "Re-vote-to-win" in Florida backfired, a hatred stoked when their single attempt to get what they THOUGHT was going to be a bunch of Vet support blew up in 2004 with Kerry (when you put up your war-hero, make sure he's not a ticket-punching asshole that got out of theater early on two scratches and a self-inflicted razor cut, whose own men despised him, okay? It's also a good idea to make sure his "Sea stories" about being behind-the-lines actually line up with the facts), and THAT year, instead of the court, they blamed the voting machines, and of course, all those EEEEEEVILLL republicans. While the Leadership figured out that they couldn't find a guy to post for the office who wasn't carrying MORE baggage than a presumptive Nominee on the GOP's side, (thus, Obama), the rank-and-file were so completely, irrationally stoked that all it took was "bush! THere-under the Table, Git 'im!!" to get them running wherever is being pointed with frothy mouths and unlit pitchforks.

In the last twenty-four months, it's become (through Media efforts, talking points, etc.) the "Common Wisdom" that all McCain voters are secretly KKK members, that they are all "RAAACISSST!!1111!" in disguise, and that every republican candidate from dog-catcher on up is really "BUSHITLER!!!11111!"

(this, of course, goes hand-in-hand with the Democrat instinct to not only presume innocence on behalf of leaders in their own party, but to insist upon sainthood for selfsame leadership. Rangel delaying until he could rewrite the taxcodes to cover ten years' of tax-evasion doesn't raise a blip when we can speculate on whether Mrs. Palin didn't claim the baby as her own to cover her pregnant, unwed daughter. Likewise, a Democratic Campaign that eliminated the default security settings on their credit-card acceptance software-and incidentally racked up the highest fundraising EVAR, isn't as interesting as Sarah's Sartorial Budgeting-Mrs. Palin's clothing is more interesting than possible credit-card fraud.)

I can't say the strategy isn't working, it is. It does, it will continue to do so. Part of that, is that it's "Raaacissssttt111!" to criticize Obama-nobody could possibly, in the mind of a Democratic believer, oppose the man based on things like his history, voting record, associations, prior executive experience (Annenberg Challenge in Chicago), or stated policy proposals.

That, you see, is simply impossible in their minds. Democrats are quite good at this game-everyone that is on the other side of them on any issue, is either completely brain-dead stupid (that's if they like said infidel) or outright stinking nazi evil (the default setting.)

"Bipartisanship" as defined by Democrats is "Republican gives up and comes to our side." it's a one-way relationship. and it works, because nobody will EVER call them on it where they can't marginalize the messenger.


In other words, if you voted for McCain, you're going to be treated with a mix of contempt and frothing hatred simply because...that's what they really think of you.

<snip>

The irony of that is that you're the one expressing "contempt and frothing hatred" for Democrats.

The irony of that is that you're the one expressing "contempt and frothing hatred" for Democrats.

I don't see any contempt or frothing hatred - I see opinions.

The only problem with his post is that the opinions are relative, at best.

I will, however, agree that if/when you try to point out a fault in a Democratic policy or action said individuals become extremely defensive to the point of hostility.

I don't see any contempt or frothing hatred - I see opinions.

The only problem with his post is that the opinions are relative, at best.

I will, however, agree that if/when you try to point out a fault in a Democratic policy or action said individuals become extremely defensive to the point of hostility.

It's an unsubstantiated opinion containing zero facts, sources, or citations that refers to the tens of millions of Americans who call themselves Democrats as "seething and bubbling with hostility" and "irrational hatred."

There are angry partisans on both sides. Sudova appears to be one of them.

Um...it's called "It ain't sunk in yet-they won." Democrats have been seething and bubbling with hostility since 1994 when they (temporarily, it turns out) lost control of Congress. It boiled into irrational hatred when their attempted "Re-vote-to-win" in Florida backfired, a hatred stoked when their single attempt to get what they THOUGHT was going to be a bunch of Vet support blew up in 2004 with Kerry (when you put up your war-hero, make sure he's not a ticket-punching asshole that got out of theater early on two scratches and a self-inflicted razor cut, whose own men despised him, okay? It's also a good idea to make sure his "Sea stories" about being behind-the-lines actually line up with the facts), and THAT year, instead of the court, they blamed the voting machines, and of course, all those EEEEEEVILLL republicans. While the Leadership figured out that they couldn't find a guy to post for the office who wasn't carrying MORE baggage than a presumptive Nominee on the GOP's side, (thus, Obama), the rank-and-file were so completely, irrationally stoked that all it took was "bush! THere-under the Table, Git 'im!!" to get them running wherever is being pointed with frothy mouths and unlit pitchforks.

In the last twenty-four months, it's become (through Media efforts, talking points, etc.) the "Common Wisdom" that all McCain voters are secretly KKK members, that they are all "RAAACISSST!!1111!" in disguise, and that every republican candidate from dog-catcher on up is really "BUSHITLER!!!11111!"

(this, of course, goes hand-in-hand with the Democrat instinct to not only presume innocence on behalf of leaders in their own party, but to insist upon sainthood for selfsame leadership. Rangel delaying until he could rewrite the taxcodes to cover ten years' of tax-evasion doesn't raise a blip when we can speculate on whether Mrs. Palin didn't claim the baby as her own to cover her pregnant, unwed daughter. Likewise, a Democratic Campaign that eliminated the default security settings on their credit-card acceptance software-and incidentally racked up the highest fundraising EVAR, isn't as interesting as Sarah's Sartorial Budgeting-Mrs. Palin's clothing is more interesting than possible credit-card fraud.)

I can't say the strategy isn't working, it is. It does, it will continue to do so. Part of that, is that it's "Raaacissssttt111!" to criticize Obama-nobody could possibly, in the mind of a Democratic believer, oppose the man based on things like his history, voting record, associations, prior executive experience (Annenberg Challenge in Chicago), or stated policy proposals.

That, you see, is simply impossible in their minds. Democrats are quite good at this game-everyone that is on the other side of them on any issue, is either completely brain-dead stupid (that's if they like said infidel) or outright stinking nazi evil (the default setting.)

"Bipartisanship" as defined by Democrats is "Republican gives up and comes to our side." it's a one-way relationship. and it works, because nobody will EVER call them on it where they can't marginalize the messenger.


In other words, if you voted for McCain, you're going to be treated with a mix of contempt and frothing hatred simply because...that's what they really think of you.

Wow. I've lived on the Plains for three years and hiked where the bison really do roam, and I've never seen that much bullshit in one place.

Whatever you need to tell yourself to get you through the day, brother. You have my pity.

I am an Obama supporter... I don't have a problem with EDUCATED McCain supporters. Like those who actually give good reasons why they like McCain... Not just that he's white. And christian.
But, people who are saying that Obama is muslim, and a terrorist and such deserve a beating with a shovel.
I also have issues with the ignorant Obama supporters, like they say they like him, okay fine, but why? They give no good reasons, or they say; He's black. And cool.
So ya, you will get no sass from me if you are actually saying good facts. Not just 'duh' facts*.


*duh facts are OBVIOUS facts on anything or completely untrue reasoning, or just unimportand reasons.

Most supporters I don't mind, it's the following ones I can't stand...
(Seriously I'm seeing posts like that all over the damn place. I even have them sorted by type.)

"Gloom and Doom":"RIP USA 1776-2008"

"It's the USSA!!": *Insert generic "Are you happy traitor commies*

Religious Fundis: The Anti-Christ has been voted in, it's the end times!

"He's a fake American: "Born in Kenya or Indonesia and has 2 or 3 names!!!"
(The guys who still support that stupid case on how he's "Not born in America")

Lastly "Traitors"
Rebels and Race war advocates:*South should Rise again*
and ones who want him gone: *Insert death threat*

This is pretty angering. Daily Telegraph: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/3405336/Sarah-Palin-blamed-by-the-US-Secret-Service-for-death-threats-against-Barack-Obama.html)
The Republican vice presidential candidate attracted criticism for accusing Mr Obama of "palling around with terrorists", citing his association with the sixties radical William Ayers.

The attacks provoked a near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling "terrorist" and "kill him" until the McCain campaign ordered her to tone down the rhetoric.The Secret Service warned the Obama family in mid October that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Mrs Palin's attacks.

Michelle Obama, the future First Lady, was so upset that she turned to her friend and campaign adviser Valerie Jarrett and said: "Why would they try to make people hate us?"Irate John McCain aides, who blame Mrs Palin for losing the election, claim Mrs Palin took it upon herself to question Mr Obama's patriotism, before the line of attack had been cleared by Mr McCain.

This is pretty angering. Daily Telegraph: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/3405336/Sarah-Palin-blamed-by-the-US-Secret-Service-for-death-threats-against-Barack-Obama.html)

As a conservative, all I can say is:


http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m232/peasly23/not_this_shit_again.jpg

Palin, please, do conservatives a favor and STFU!

Um...it's called "It ain't sunk in yet-they won." Democrats have been seething and bubbling with hostility since 1994 when they (temporarily, it turns out) lost control of Congress. It boiled into irrational hatred when their attempted "Re-vote-to-win" in Florida backfired, a hatred stoked when their single attempt to get what they THOUGHT was going to be a bunch of Vet support blew up in 2004 with Kerry (when you put up your war-hero, make sure he's not a ticket-punching asshole that got out of theater early on two scratches and a self-inflicted razor cut, whose own men despised him, okay? It's also a good idea to make sure his "Sea stories" about being behind-the-lines actually line up with the facts), and THAT year, instead of the court, they blamed the voting machines, and of course, all those EEEEEEVILLL republicans. While the Leadership figured out that they couldn't find a guy to post for the office who wasn't carrying MORE baggage than a presumptive Nominee on the GOP's side, (thus, Obama), the rank-and-file were so completely, irrationally stoked that all it took was "bush! THere-under the Table, Git 'im!!" to get them running wherever is being pointed with frothy mouths and unlit pitchforks.

In the last twenty-four months, it's become (through Media efforts, talking points, etc.) the "Common Wisdom" that all McCain voters are secretly KKK members, that they are all "RAAACISSST!!1111!" in disguise, and that every republican candidate from dog-catcher on up is really "BUSHITLER!!!11111!"

(this, of course, goes hand-in-hand with the Democrat instinct to not only presume innocence on behalf of leaders in their own party, but to insist upon sainthood for selfsame leadership. Rangel delaying until he could rewrite the taxcodes to cover ten years' of tax-evasion doesn't raise a blip when we can speculate on whether Mrs. Palin didn't claim the baby as her own to cover her pregnant, unwed daughter. Likewise, a Democratic Campaign that eliminated the default security settings on their credit-card acceptance software-and incidentally racked up the highest fundraising EVAR, isn't as interesting as Sarah's Sartorial Budgeting-Mrs. Palin's clothing is more interesting than possible credit-card fraud.)

I can't say the strategy isn't working, it is. It does, it will continue to do so. Part of that, is that it's "Raaacissssttt111!" to criticize Obama-nobody could possibly, in the mind of a Democratic believer, oppose the man based on things like his history, voting record, associations, prior executive experience (Annenberg Challenge in Chicago), or stated policy proposals.

That, you see, is simply impossible in their minds. Democrats are quite good at this game-everyone that is on the other side of them on any issue, is either completely brain-dead stupid (that's if they like said infidel) or outright stinking nazi evil (the default setting.)

"Bipartisanship" as defined by Democrats is "Republican gives up and comes to our side." it's a one-way relationship. and it works, because nobody will EVER call them on it where they can't marginalize the messenger.


In other words, if you voted for McCain, you're going to be treated with a mix of contempt and frothing hatred simply because...that's what they really think of you.

I cant decide if I feel sorry for you or not. Youre obviously delusional.

I would think it might be stated Neo-cons treating liberals as if they were children made to stand in the corner and fume about their lack of power to change things for eight years.


Don't sink to their level, Callisdrun.


I'm trying not to, I was just pointing out what you said in the top part of your post. I just think it's a bit unrealistic that after eight years of abuse (being called a "traitor," "terrorist supporter," etc.), that I am expected to be perfectly fine with all that and not even smirk a bit. I will try not to gloat (too much), but really. What did they expect was going to happen? One of the reasons to not treat the opposition like total crap is the recognition that some day, you'll be in their place.

And that's why, despite my smirking, I won't be calling the Republicans traitors or any of all that crap. But I am going to smirk and chuckle a bit.

This is pretty angering. Daily Telegraph: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/3405336/Sarah-Palin-blamed-by-the-US-Secret-Service-for-death-threats-against-Barack-Obama.html)
For awhile there I saw a sick rumor saying that the plan was to scare Obama enough that he'd quit.

Um...it's called "It ain't sunk in yet-they won." Democrats have been seething and bubbling with hostility since 1994 when they (temporarily, it turns out) lost control of Congress. It boiled into irrational hatred when their attempted "Re-vote-to-win" in Florida backfired, a hatred stoked when their single attempt to get what they THOUGHT was going to be a bunch of Vet support blew up in 2004 with Kerry (when you put up your war-hero, make sure he's not a ticket-punching asshole that got out of theater early on two scratches and a self-inflicted razor cut, whose own men despised him, okay? It's also a good idea to make sure his "Sea stories" about being behind-the-lines actually line up with the facts), and THAT year, instead of the court, they blamed the voting machines, and of course, all those EEEEEEVILLL republicans. While the Leadership figured out that they couldn't find a guy to post for the office who wasn't carrying MORE baggage than a presumptive Nominee on the GOP's side, (thus, Obama), the rank-and-file were so completely, irrationally stoked that all it took was "bush! THere-under the Table, Git 'im!!" to get them running wherever is being pointed with frothy mouths and unlit pitchforks.

In the last twenty-four months, it's become (through Media efforts, talking points, etc.) the "Common Wisdom" that all McCain voters are secretly KKK members, that they are all "RAAACISSST!!1111!" in disguise, and that every republican candidate from dog-catcher on up is really "BUSHITLER!!!11111!"

(this, of course, goes hand-in-hand with the Democrat instinct to not only presume innocence on behalf of leaders in their own party, but to insist upon sainthood for selfsame leadership. Rangel delaying until he could rewrite the taxcodes to cover ten years' of tax-evasion doesn't raise a blip when we can speculate on whether Mrs. Palin didn't claim the baby as her own to cover her pregnant, unwed daughter. Likewise, a Democratic Campaign that eliminated the default security settings on their credit-card acceptance software-and incidentally racked up the highest fundraising EVAR, isn't as interesting as Sarah's Sartorial Budgeting-Mrs. Palin's clothing is more interesting than possible credit-card fraud.)

I can't say the strategy isn't working, it is. It does, it will continue to do so. Part of that, is that it's "Raaacissssttt111!" to criticize Obama-nobody could possibly, in the mind of a Democratic believer, oppose the man based on things like his history, voting record, associations, prior executive experience (Annenberg Challenge in Chicago), or stated policy proposals.

That, you see, is simply impossible in their minds. Democrats are quite good at this game-everyone that is on the other side of them on any issue, is either completely brain-dead stupid (that's if they like said infidel) or outright stinking nazi evil (the default setting.)

"Bipartisanship" as defined by Democrats is "Republican gives up and comes to our side." it's a one-way relationship. and it works, because nobody will EVER call them on it where they can't marginalize the messenger.


In other words, if you voted for McCain, you're going to be treated with a mix of contempt and frothing hatred simply because...that's what they really think of you.

Woah...

Dude... calm down... and get some help...

Seriously.

This is pretty angering. Daily Telegraph: Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/3405336/Sarah-Palin-blamed-by-the-US-Secret-Service-for-death-threats-against-Barack-Obama.html)

It is.

If the Republican Party is smart, or at least some of those currently competing for its leadership are, they'll do everything possible to make sure that her career in politics is over.

It is.

If the Republican Party is smart, or at least some of those currently competing for its leadership are, they'll do everything possible to make sure that her career in politics is over.
That might be a problem...

The Republican party is under infighting.
The "Religious Right" seriously believe that Palin is President Material. (Because she is so Moral, God fearing, and Joe Sixpack favorable.)
The Original Conservatives know she doesn't have a chance and are annoyed by the idiocy of their other half.
And the Neocons are still trying to force their big government views on the other two.

For awhile there I saw a sick rumor saying that the plan was to scare Obama enough that he'd quit.

Maybe it's just because I'm really tired, but I originally read that as:

For awhile there I saw a sick rumor saying that the plan was to scare Obama enough that he'd put out.

...

I should probably go to bed.

That might be a problem...

The Republican party is under infighting.
The "Religious Right" seriously believe that Palin is President Material. (Because she is so Moral, God fearing, and Joe Sixpack favorable.)
The Original Conservatives know she doesn't have a chance and are annoyed by the idiocy of their other half.
And the Neocons are still trying to force their big government views on the other two.

I wonder if perhaps the Republicans will split.