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I know I shouldn't laugh about other people's misfortunes but this... LMAO!!

http://news.aol.com/article/jogger-runs-mile-with-fox-biting-arm/239055

PRESCOTT, Ariz. (Nov. 5) - Authorities in Arizona say a jogger attacked by a rabid fox ran a mile with the animal's jaws clamped on her arm and then drove herself to a hospital.

The Yavapai County sheriff's office said the woman told deputies she was on a trail near Prescott on Monday when the fox attacked and bit her foot. She said she grabbed the fox by the neck when it went for her leg but it bit her arm.

The woman wanted the animal tested for rabies so she ran a mile to her car with the fox still biting her arm, then pried it off and tossed it in her trunk and drove to the Prescott hospital.

The sheriff's office says the fox later bit an animal control officer. He and the woman are both receiving rabies vaccinations.

Was this woman perhaps jogging where she shouldn't have? Comments?

I accidentally read the title as "Jagger" instead of jogger. I was briefly incontinent with laughter.

the fox later bit an animal control officer.

how cunning to get the humans to take you to the great exterminator

hahahahaha! I needed this lulz! :D

how cunning to get the humans to take you to the great exterminator

Indeed.

Was this woman perhaps jogging where she shouldn't have? Comments?

Uh...most likely not. Foxes aren't exactly confined to off-limits wild lands. They're part scavenger, and will tour through suburbia when they're hungry enough or driven out of their usual habitat.

Uh...most likely not. Foxes aren't exactly confined to off-limits wild lands. They're part scavenger, and will tour through suburbia when they're hungry enough or driven out of their usual habitat.

Ah, I see. It's just that, at least in Asturias, wild animals are confined to wild lands. And those usually have certain trails that can be accessed at a certain time in the year and that's it.

Ah, I see. It's just that, at least in Asturias, wild animals are confined to wild lands. And those usually have certain trails that can be accessed at a certain time in the year and that's it.

US National Parks and Forest Service lands are usually crossed, belted or looped by reasonably well-maintained trails. We're allowed in so long as the park is open or you've the proper permit to be on Service lands. I've hiked a lot, and seen many foxes. Also porcupines, bunnies, elk (one herd of over 250 in Theodore Roosevelt NP), wild horses, bison, antelope, prairie dogs, pikas, marmots, eagles, deer, mountain goats, and lots more. Thankfully, I've not been assaulted by any of the above.

Ah, I see. It's just that, at least in Asturias, wild animals are confined to wild lands. And those usually have certain trails that can be accessed at a certain time in the year and that's it.

I grew up near Prescott and that whole side of the State is the wilds. I'm not surprised at all this happened. Honestly, it's not that rare of an occurrence in the desert area. I had to fend off coyotes several times when I was younger and cats disappear regularly. Fairly amusing story though, I have to admit.

This fox attacks her, clings to her arm for a mile, and she thinks it needs to be tested for rabies?

US National Parks and Forest Service lands are usually crossed, belted or looped by reasonably well-maintained trails. We're allowed in so long as the park is open or you've the proper permit to be on Service lands. I've hiked a lot, and seen many foxes. Also porcupines, bunnies, elk (one herd of over 250 in Theodore Roosevelt NP), wild horses, bison, antelope, prairie dogs, pikas, marmots, eagles, deer, mountain goats, and lots more. Thankfully, I've not been assaulted by any of the above.

And to add on to this, a lot of people live in really rural areas. Where I live, deer and elk and foxes and rabbits and such are all daily occurrences. Bears and mountain lions, not so much, but you do seem them once in awhile.

hahahahaha! I needed this lulz!

I never cease to be amazed at the shallow nature of NSG posters.

I just heard another story about a woman who fended off a rabid raccoon for over an hour while trying to get help. She was badly mauled before she made it to the hospital, but finally got there.

The first hospital told her to go to a bigger hospital. The second told her they wouldn't treat for rabies until they'd tested the carcass (which would take three days). The third refused to treat her because her residence was in another county. Returning to her home county would have taken another 3 hours, and they'd already told her they didn't have the rabies shot. Somebody eventually treated her before irreversible damage set in. Once rabies symptoms appear, death is effectively certain.

The ultimate reason for this? The anti-rabies treatment costs something like $3500 for the first shot, and the (extremely painful) treatment needs to be repeated for multiple days. Nobody wanted to pick up the tab or the paperwork.

Yeah, laugh at the story, funny boy.

Comments?
this really needed a 'FoxNews reporting'! :D

This fox attacks her, clings to her arm for a mile, and she thinks it needs to be tested for rabies?

the article says she grabbed it when it went for her leg, so it could be that she was still holding it while it was biting her arm.

I never cease to be amazed at the shallow nature of NSG posters.

I just heard another story about a woman who fended off a rabid raccoon for over an hour while trying to get help. She was badly mauled before she made it to the hospital, but finally got there.

The first hospital told her to go to a bigger hospital. The second told her they wouldn't treat for rabies until they'd tested the carcass (which would take three days). The third refused to treat her because her residence was in another county. Returning to her home county would have taken another 3 hours, and they'd already told her they didn't have the rabies shot. Somebody eventually treated her before irreversible damage set in. Once rabies symptoms appear, death is effectively certain.

The ultimate reason for this? The anti-rabies treatment costs something like $3500 for the first shot, and the (extremely painful) treatment needs to be repeated for multiple days. Nobody wanted to pick up the tab or the paperwork.

Yeah, laugh at the story, funny boy.

I thought I was the only one listening to TAL. What really struck me about that story was that the US healthcare system came off as almost as scary as the rabid raccoon.

So both the idea that you could be bitten by a rabid animal in a non-wild area and that you would want to get said animal tested for rabies makes perfect sense, given that story. I don't know how the hell she ran a mile with fox hanging off her arm, though! Braver woman than I am.

In the Wonders Never Cease dept., there's an experimental protocol that might (maybe, possibly,) cure rabies after the vaccination window has passed. So far the Milwaukee Protocol has been tested and worked on exactly 1 person (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanna_Giese) but is currently being tried on another. Obviously this isn't the kind of thing that one can set up a double-blind study for (see, we'll infect half of you with rabies and put you all in a coma for a week and see what works!) But one can hope.

Yeah, why leave the animal, uh, attached? And just sorta hanging there hooked into your flesh, slowly ripping? I would have first pried the sucker loose, and then ran with it tucked under my arm.

I think the woman showed a damn sight more courage and ingenuity than I would have done under the circumstances. Amazing story, but I'm not sure it's really funny.

Yeah, why leave the animal, uh, attached? And just sorta hanging there hooked into your flesh, slowly ripping? I would have first pried the sucker loose, and then ran with it tucked under my arm.

Rabies makes some animals hyperactive and hyperagressive, and the strength of the bite may easily be beyond a person's strength to pry open. You might be able to pry the bugger off your arm only by allowing it to take some arm with it.

Yeah, why leave the animal, uh, attached? And just sorta hanging there hooked into your flesh, slowly ripping? I would have first pried the sucker loose, and then ran with it tucked under my arm.

That's how it got attached to her arm in the first place.

Rabies makes some animals hyperactive and hyperagressive, and the strength of the bite may easily be beyond a person's strength to pry open.

Clearly not hers as she did remove the thing.

That's how it got attached to her arm in the first place.

Best probably to break the poor animal's neck right then and there, I guess.

I think the woman showed a damn sight more courage and ingenuity than I would have done under the circumstances. Amazing story, but I'm not sure it's really funny.
It really depends on whether or not someone was there at the time to play yakety sax while she ran with the fox.

Gee, thanks. Now I've got Yakety Sax stuck in my head, probably for hours.

US National Parks and Forest Service lands are usually crossed, belted or looped by reasonably well-maintained trails. We're allowed in so long as the park is open or you've the proper permit to be on Service lands. I've hiked a lot, and seen many foxes. Also porcupines, bunnies, elk (one herd of over 250 in Theodore Roosevelt NP), wild horses, bison, antelope, prairie dogs, pikas, marmots, eagles, deer, mountain goats, and lots more. Thankfully, I've not been assaulted by any of the above.

Now the humans on the other hand...

The animal was rabid. She'll need treatments to avoid getting rabies herself.

*Any* animal attack like that would suggest rabies. Me, I'd want it tested if I could avoid the treatments...

Yeah, why leave the animal, uh, attached? And just sorta hanging there hooked into your flesh, slowly ripping? I would have first pried the sucker loose, and then ran with it tucked under my arm.Assuming you could do such one handed....

"No, ma'm, you don't need health insurance to get treatment. But you WILL have to leave the fox outside"

Best probably to break the poor animal's neck right then and there, I guess.

Or knock it unconscious. You could prise it off then, it's not a zombie.

Or knock it unconscious. You could prise it off then, it's not a zombie.
Remember you don't want to damage the head when bringing it in to be tested for rabies.

there should have been a tree, or building or something solid nearby. Smash the back part of the head of the fox into that while using your other hand to try and pluck away the jaws. One solid tree trunk blow to the head should have done it

Remember you don't want to damage the head when bringing it in to be tested for rabies.

I'd say you also don't want it to bleed on your wound. Rabies isn't the only disease which could be a danger.

I'm thinking of how professional handlers deal with a vicious dog: you have a forearm guard, lead with that arm, then restrain the animal once its jaws are closed on the guard.

I wouldn't necessarily think clearly while being bitten by a wild fox though. She did well.

well i beileve its the animals world we are just living here people need to understand that foxes are being pushed to extremes if you get bit you most likely deserve it


ps good story anyways lol rotfl :]

well i beileve its the animals world we are just living here people need to understand that foxes are being pushed to extremes if you get bit you most likely deserve it


ps good story anyways lol rotfl :]
Did you even READ the story, or was it just the headline that grabbed you?

Now the humans on the other hand...

Well, I haven't been assaulted by that animal, either, but overall I'm far more suspicious of humans than I am of bison.

And to add on to this, a lot of people live in really rural areas. Where I live, deer and elk and foxes and rabbits and such are all daily occurrences. Bears and mountain lions, not so much, but you do seem them once in awhile.


You can have wildlife in urban areas. Where I lived in Southern California it wasn't uncommon to see raccoons and 'possums in my backyard and coyotes running in the middle of the street.

Here, in Colorado Springs, I see deer and coyotes routinely.

I accidentally read the title as "Jagger" instead of jogger. I was briefly incontinent with laughter.

I had the exact same reaction! And then there was the image of Mick Jagger running around, looking like a freshly-risen corpse, with a fox clamped down on his unholy abomination of an arm. Lulz.

You can have wildlife in urban areas. Where I lived in Southern California it wasn't uncommon to see raccoons and 'possums in my backyard and coyotes running in the middle of the street.

Here, in Colorado Springs, I see deer and coyotes routinely.

When redwulf and I lived in Northglenn (the open space near the water treatment plant, if you know the area), there was a fox living in the open space. She was pretty cool with sharing her space with humans, tho i once nearly ran her down whilst jabbering on my phone. She froze, I nearly tripped over her. Then I bowed, apologized for scaring her, and she scarpered, probably wondering why the hell the crazy human had been making so much noise.

i grew up in rural remote forested areas. started going for long walks by myself when i was five years old. never been attacked by anything and know by experience as well as lore, that anything that can get away from you pretty much will, unless it perceives attacking as the only way of getting away.

my suspicion is that jogging is the problem, rather then sane walking. i would guess she came upon the most likely otherwise inoccent vulped at too great a pace for it to get out of her way, leaving it little option then to nip at her foot to say "HAY; watch where the f you're going".

the dependence of wild creatures for their survival on what human society has come pervertedly to call paranoia, pretty much in my mind accounts for the rest of the story.

When redwulf and I lived in Northglenn (the open space near the water treatment plant, if you know the area), there was a fox living in the open space. She was pretty cool with sharing her space with humans, tho i once nearly ran her down whilst jabbering on my phone. She froze, I nearly tripped over her. Then I bowed, apologized for scaring her, and she scarpered, probably wondering why the hell the crazy human had been making so much noise.

I've only been in CO for a couple of years. I'm getting pretty familiar with the Springs, Arvada (where my son lives) and the stretch of the 25 between the Springs and Denver, but I still get lost pretty easily.

Yeah, that's definitely rabid. Most normal animals don't attack like that, especially small ones that know they can't beat a human.

I never cease to be amazed at the shallow nature of NSG posters.

I just heard another story about a woman who fended off a rabid raccoon for over an hour while trying to get help. She was badly mauled before she made it to the hospital, but finally got there.

The first hospital told her to go to a bigger hospital. The second told her they wouldn't treat for rabies until they'd tested the carcass (which would take three days). The third refused to treat her because her residence was in another county. Returning to her home county would have taken another 3 hours, and they'd already told her they didn't have the rabies shot. Somebody eventually treated her before irreversible damage set in. Once rabies symptoms appear, death is effectively certain.

The ultimate reason for this? The anti-rabies treatment costs something like $3500 for the first shot, and the (extremely painful) treatment needs to be repeated for multiple days. Nobody wanted to pick up the tab or the paperwork.

Yeah, laugh at the story, funny boy.

After all the troll threads of yesterday, I thought that this story would give a funny note to the forum, at least for a bit. I know rabies is serious, though.

This story made me remember a Gabriel García Márquez book I read a few years ago, "Del amor y otros demonions" (Of Love and Other Demons), where the main characters (a girl bitten by a dog and the monkish lover who retires to a monastery after seeing the girl get sick) are affected by an epidemy of rabies that burst in the Colombian city of Cartagena de Indias in the 1800s, if I recall correctly.

At that time, rabies victims were treated in convents, by priests. The treatment was basically a brutal exorcism and it resulted, ultimately, in death.

There must be something in the water in the US that makes animals violent - in Europe foxes and badgers are cute and fluffy creatures that gambol picturesquely in shady woodland glades. In the US they try and take your arm off.

There must be something in the water in the US that makes animals violent - in Europe foxes and badgers are cute and fluffy creatures that gambol picturesquely in shady woodland glades. In the US they try and take your arm off.

How is it, exactly, that rabies is passed? I should check that.

I thought this was going to be about Fox News reporters asking for an interview or something, but this is still classic.

Rabies is nasty.

How is it, exactly, that rabies is passed? I should check that.

Maybe it is just the UK then, where we don't have rabies. Can sheep get rabies - being chased by one of them trying to bite you:eek:

How is it, exactly, that rabies is passed? I should check that.
Most bodily fluids, inc. saliva IIRC.

Maybe it is just the UK then, where we don't have rabies. Can sheep get rabies - being chased by one of them trying to bite you:eek:

Say, is rabies something that only affects canines?

Say, is rabies something that only affects canines?

It can affect many animals I think.

It can affect many animals I think.

I better do some quick research.

I better do some quick research.

Sounds like a good idea. :)

There must be something in the water in the US that makes animals violent - in Europe foxes and badgers are cute and fluffy creatures that gambol picturesquely in shady woodland glades. In the US they try and take your arm off.
They're not cute and fluffy, we British just hate to see animals hurt so characterise tham as such.

This is a 'fox' :

http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/images/Fox01_01.jpg

This is a fox :

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/wda0674l.jpg

I better do some quick research.
It can and does, plenty of bats have rabies, including some in the UK and US. Probably in Spain too :eek:

This is a 'fox' :

http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/images/Fox01_01.jpg



Aw isn't it cute :D

Aw isn't it cute :D
IT'LL EAT YER BIN KEBABS, Rhambutan! ALL OF THEM!

I accidentally read the title as "Jagger" instead of jogger. I was briefly incontinent with laughter.

Well for a man who does this
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-456933/Mick-Jagger-used-bees-enlarge-manhood.html

the odd fox on the arm is nothing.

It can and does, plenty of bats have rabies, including some in the UK and US. Probably in Spain too :eek:

Rabies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Rabies_virus_longitudinal.svg/300px-Rabies_virus_longitudinal.svg.png

Epidimology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies#Epidemiology)

Rabies be nasty.

Rabies be nasty.

I was just amazed, and perhaps stupidly, after reading that in some countries, rabies is the number 1 cause for losing livestock.

Rabies has always been a problem - it's difficult to contain. :(

Rabies has always been a problem - it's difficult to contain. :(

What's truly baffling is the fact that, up until now, I've never heard of people been infected by rabies or been bitten by possible, rabid animals. I know it may happen, but this is the first time I've ever read of it besides the case in that Gabriel García Márquez book, Del amor y otros demonios.

Rabies be nasty.

Not as dangerous as rabbis. It is a travesty that the media, out of fear of being labelled anti-semitic, so dramatically underreports cases of rabbis going on killing sprees, decapitating the innocent Christian folk using steel-lined skullcaps as a surprise weapon.

What's truly baffling is the fact that, up until now, I've never heard of people been infected by rabies or been bitten by possible, rabid animals. I know it may happen, but this is the first time I've ever read of it besides the case in that Gabriel García Márquez book, Del amor y otros demonios.

It's amazing what you can learn from a little research. ;)

What's truly baffling is the fact that, up until now, I've never heard of people been infected by rabies or been bitten by possible, rabid animals. I know it may happen, but this is the first time I've ever read of it besides the case in that Gabriel García Márquez book, Del amor y otros demonios.

you really don't hear much about rabies unless it's either 1) slow news day or 2) something out of the ordinary (like the jogger going 1 mile with the fox then having trouble finding a hospital that would treat her.)

earlier this year, there was a thread about a family of Merkats at a zoo that was put to sleep because one nipped a boy reaching into their enclosure.

earlier this year, there was a thread about a family of Merkats at a zoo that was put to sleep because one nipped a boy reaching into their enclosure.

But did these merkats had rabies? If they didn't, why put them to sleep?! That's horrible.

But did these merkats had rabies? If they didn't, why put them to sleep?! That's horrible.

the process to determine if they had rabies kills the animals.

so no. the Merkats didn't have rabies, but the process still killed them. :(

That's why it's so important to keep an accurate record of all shots your pet gets.

the process to determine if they had rabies kills the animals.

so no. the Merkats didn't have rabies, but the process still killed them. :(

That's saddening.:(

I was gonna post this too :(.

How is it, exactly, that rabies is passed? I should check that.

It gets passed through bodily fluids like blood and saliva, even sweat. It has also been known to be passed through just getting scratches from animals with claws.

the process to determine if they had rabies kills the animals.

so no. the Merkats didn't have rabies, but the process still killed them. :(

That's why it's so important to keep an accurate record of all shots your pet gets.
Yup. We keep my kitty up to date, and with her tag prominently displayed on her collar.

When she slipped her collar outside somewhere, the vet gave her a replacement tag.

Say, is rabies something that only affects canines?

Foxes, despite their appearance, aren't canines. They're vulpes, a different species.

Confusingly, "canine" is sometimes used for the family Canidae, which does include the true dogs as well as foxes wolves and coyotes. Interbreeding chart. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canid_hybrid#Canid_interfertility_chart) Dogote, lol.

Dogs, man's best friend? Like hell: World Health Organization. (http://www.who.int/rabies/human/en/)

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It gets passed through bodily fluids like blood and saliva, even sweat. It has also been known to be passed through just getting scratches from animals with claws.

According to Wikipedia, the vaccine is effective even after infection -- it says within six days. But without it, death is almost certain.

Rabies being successfully quarantined from Australia has always made me feel nice and safe.

But (damn the steady progress of science!) apparently bat lyssavirus is a variant that just wasn't recognized before.

Bats! :eek:

This is a 'fox' :

http://blogthebog.blogsome.com/images/Fox01_01.jpg

Release the Hounds!!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/BedaleHunt2005.jpg

Seriously why did you guys ban the extermination of a pest?

They are pests and feral in England right?

Release the Hounds!!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/BedaleHunt2005.jpg

Seriously why did you guys ban the extermination of a pest?

They are pests and feral in England right?

Didn't England start that?

Ah, I see. It's just that, at least in Asturias, wild animals are confined to wild lands. And those usually have certain trails that can be accessed at a certain time in the year and that's it.

No, this is not the case at all in most parts of the US. In many places, at the outskirts of suburbia there will be coyotes, foxes, sometimes even mountain lions and bears.

Raccoons, of course, venture and in many cases live in urban environments, while deer are quite commonplace to my University's campus.

Didn't England start that?

Yeah they did and since Yootopia is from England it is part of the reason I posted that.

No, this is not the case at all in most parts of the US. In many places, at the outskirts of suburbia there will be coyotes, foxes, sometimes even mountain lions and bears.

Raccoons, of course, venture and in many cases live in urban environments, while deer are quite commonplace to my University's campus.

In Australia it is not uncommon to see Kangaroo's riding the trams in Melbourne. :p

No not really but you would see outer suburbs and country towns with Kangaroo's around. Though the inner suburbs we will get snakes, and deadly spiders (Golden Orb, Funnel Web etc) And don't even talk about what's in the water.

In Australia it is not uncommon to see Kangaroo's riding the trams in Melbourne. :p

Yep. Many times have I disguised myself as a 'roo to travel free! :D

No not really but you would see outer suburbs and country towns with Kangaroo's around. Though the inner suburbs we will get snakes, and deadly spiders (Golden Orb, Funnel Web etc) And don't even talk about what's in the water.

This pic of a rock wallaby was taken from upstairs at my mother's house:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg49/3-laws-of-Hobotics/P1010409.jpg

OK, she's not a Western Red. She's about 60cm tall when upright. Had a joey last year, tho' sadly something killed it.

Release the Hounds!!!

Hounds released!

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4314/foxhoundlh5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


waitaminute!

No, this is not the case at all in most parts of the US. In many places, at the outskirts of suburbia there will be coyotes, foxes, sometimes even mountain lions and bears.

Raccoons, of course, venture and in many cases live in urban environments, while deer are quite commonplace to my University's campus.

We have deer (nearly ran one down on the way back from my aunts place once), racoons, turkeys - which are a menace to traffic in the wilder areas of west MI, turkey vultures, swans, various types of raptors and eagles, including several mated pairs of Bald Eagles, and various and sundry other wildlife. I live in a fairly urbanized area, but it's easy to access farms and forests from here. Oh, and there are flocks of frelling Canada geese. Everywhere. You Canadians can take them back. Right now, if you please.

Foxes, despite their appearance, aren't canines. They're vulpes, a different species.

Confusingly, "canine" is sometimes used for the family Canidae, which does include the true dogs as well as foxes wolves and coyotes. Interbreeding chart. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canid_hybrid#Canid_interfertility_chart) Dogote, lol.

Dogs, man's best friend? Like hell: World Health Organization. (http://www.who.int/rabies/human/en/)

I was unaware that foxes were considered from an entire different species. I always though they were canines. I guess it´s the same thing with pandas. People tend to think these are from the bear family, and they´re not.

Yep. Many times have I disguised myself as a 'roo to travel free! :D

I usually put on an Emu costume, the Japanese tourists get a bit annoying when they try to feed you and blind you with their flashes but hey free public transport. :)

This pic of a rock wallaby was taken from upstairs at my mother's house:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg49/3-laws-of-Hobotics/P1010409.jpg

OK, she's not a Western Red. She's about 60cm tall when upright. Had a joey last year, tho' sadly something killed it.

Aww, that's one of the nice things about being in the bush you get to see these things and they will come right up to you. Shame I live in the city, though we do get some nice native birds around.

hounds released!

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4314/foxhoundlh5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


waitaminute!

That's hilarious.