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Well my old Army Buddy. when we were stationed in Korea we would go drink all the time and party with Korean university students. I got a very nice assignment back in the states so I elected not to extend anymore. He stayed in Korea his entire enlistment. After our enlistments were up, he went to College in Australia and I went to university in the states.

In Australia he hung out with Korean students who came there most of whom were very Christian. He finished school and started doing things like missionary trips to Cambodia. Now he no longer drinks and he gave up chasing women to get engaged to this one very Christian girl. How do I save him from super religiousness ??

Tie him up in your rumpus room and serve him a tall, frosty, beer.

Saving someone from religious groups is an extremely hard task as most of your attempts would likely been seen as test that the religious guy must endure.

But check this:
http://www.howcultswork.com/

it may give you some ideas.

Just talk to him. I don't think this is a matter of you saving him but of him saving his own self when the time comes and he sees that fundamentalism is not really that healthy. At least when it comes to religion.

And who knows, maybe this is the right way for him. Just do not stop being his friend.

Well my old Army Buddy. when we were stationed in Korea we would go drink all the time and party with Korean university students. I got a very nice assignment back in the states so I elected not to extend anymore. He stayed in Korea his entire enlistment. After our enlistments were up, he went to College in Australia and I went to university in the states.

In Australia he hung out with Korean students who came there most of whom were very Christian. He finished school and started doing things like missionary trips to Cambodia. Now he no longer drinks and he gave up chasing women to get engaged to this one very Christian girl. How do I save him from super religiousness ??


That does't sound super religious. Sounds like a normal Christian thing to do. Now, if he starts killing witches, gays, and Jews, then you might want to save him from himself.

Most cases of Christian fundamentalism can be cured by reading the Bible and how it says Christian Fundamentalists are WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Well my old Army Buddy. when we were stationed in Korea we would go drink all the time and party with Korean university students. I got a very nice assignment back in the states so I elected not to extend anymore. He stayed in Korea his entire enlistment. After our enlistments were up, he went to College in Australia and I went to university in the states.

In Australia he hung out with Korean students who came there most of whom were very Christian. He finished school and started doing things like missionary trips to Cambodia. Now he no longer drinks and he gave up chasing women to get engaged to this one very Christian girl. How do I save him from super religiousness ??

What's "super" about his conversion? Just because he's not sport-fucking and drinking his body weight in booze anymore, suddenly he's a fundie? Perhaps he saw that kind of life as the same thing, day after day and started searching for something with more meaning. It reads like you're more upset that you can't go chasing tail with the guy anymore and you want your drinking buddy back.

If he goes fundie, he'll start talking about trying to take others' rights to be how they are away. THEN you'll have a problem. Until then, it's your choice: be his friend and support his decision or don't.

Doesn't look like he turned "fundamentalist wacko" here. Maybe he discovered that wine, women, and song weren't really fulfilling. Perhaps you could support the quest for truth?

In Australia he hung out with Korean students who came there most of whom were very Christian. He finished school and started doing things like missionary trips to Cambodia. Now he no longer drinks and he gave up chasing women to get engaged to this one very Christian girl. How do I save him from super religiousness ?? I don't think this guy needs you to "save" him. He's taken a different path in life than you, but I don't see anything negative about his lifestyle choice. What's wrong with him not drinking, getting married and peacefully trying to convert others to his religion?

Doesn't look like he turned "fundamentalist wacko" here. Maybe he discovered that wine, women, and song weren't really fulfilling. Perhaps you could support the quest for truth?

Anyone who doesnt likes wine, women and songs is a wacko. :p

Why does he need saving from a belief system that teaches responsibility, compassion and living a moral life? If he goes truly "kill the homos" fundamentalist ape shit, point out how that is NOT in keeping with his professed religious beliefs, but Christianity as a basic tenet upon which to build a personal life style is not inherently bad.

Everytime I open this thread I get an ad for Single Gay Asian dating.:eek2:

Everytime I open this thread I get an ad for Single Gay Asian dating.:eek2:

Maybe they're trying to tell you something. :p

Maybe they're trying to tell you something. :p

How many single gay asians do they think she knows?

How many single gay asians do they think she knows?

Not one.

I'd like to point out that the so-called "liberal" or "lefty" or "other disparaging adjective for progressive" NSG has so far come out in majority support of the man in the OP who found religion.

Just pointing that out.

Anyone who doesnt likes wine, women and songs is a wacko. :p
I do not drink ... wine.
Do have a problem vith that?

I do not drink ... vine.
Do have a problem vith that?

But you drink veer, don't you?

I think its obvious that you need to tell him that you have feelings for him before its too late

Not one.

have you checked?

I think its obvious that you need to tell him that you have feelings for him before its too late



have you checked?

Yup. The only Asian friend I have is a girl, she's Korean and has a boyfriend so... nope.

I'd like to point out that the so-called "liberal" or "lefty" or "other disparaging adjective for progressive" NSG has so far come out in majority support of the man in the OP who found religion.

Just pointing that out.Ok, I hold you responsible for Hotwife's stroking out upon reading this thread. :)

That does't sound super religious. Sounds like a normal Christian thing to do. Now, if he starts killing witches, gays, and Jews, then you might want to save him from himself.

I also forgot to mention he was with the Koreans who were praying for all the Buddhist temples to burn down publicly on Tv.

I also forgot to mention he was with the Koreans who were praying for all the Buddhist temples to burn down publicly on Tv.

Hontou ka?!:eek:

Ok, I hold you responsible for Hotwife's stroking out upon reading this thread. :)

Why would say tha-- oh. Stroking out. Got it.

Why would say tha-- oh. Stroking out. Got it.

:tongue:

I thought the same thing.

Well my old Army Buddy. when we were stationed in Korea we would go drink all the time and party with Korean university students. I got a very nice assignment back in the states so I elected not to extend anymore. He stayed in Korea his entire enlistment. After our enlistments were up, he went to College in Australia and I went to university in the states.

In Australia he hung out with Korean students who came there most of whom were very Christian. He finished school and started doing things like missionary trips to Cambodia. Now he no longer drinks and he gave up chasing women to get engaged to this one very Christian girl. How do I save him from super religiousness ??

Wish him well, leave him be. Right now, the Imaginary friend on the cross has a lock on his attention, but the shiny wears off over time with any new activity, and he'll either come back to being your friend (albeit, maybe not as much fun to party with) or he won't. Trying to "break" him of it is most likely going to drive him further into the delusion.

Everytime I open this thread I get an ad for Single Gay Asian dating.:eek2:

You've been talking way too much about proposition 8. Start a thread on WW2 and talk about tanks for a while and the ads will change magically.

In Australia he hung out with Korean students who came there most of whom were very Christian. He finished school and started doing things like missionary trips to Cambodia. Now he no longer drinks and he gave up chasing women to get engaged to this one very Christian girl. How do I save him from super religiousness ??

It might be the woman. I knew one fellah nearly went mormon over that kind of thing. The lure of grass in other pastures might be the key....

Well my old Army Buddy. when we were stationed in Korea we would go drink all the time and party with Korean university students. I got a very nice assignment back in the states so I elected not to extend anymore. He stayed in Korea his entire enlistment. After our enlistments were up, he went to College in Australia and I went to university in the states.

In Australia he hung out with Korean students who came there most of whom were very Christian. He finished school and started doing things like missionary trips to Cambodia. Now he no longer drinks and he gave up chasing women to get engaged to this one very Christian girl. How do I save him from super religiousness ??

simple. join him. then when you got everyone fooled, kidnap him and de-program him with a month of non-stop programs from "TV-Land".

why would say tha-- oh. Stroking out. Got it.

lol

:d

It might be the woman. I knew one fellah nearly went mormon over that kind of thing. The lure of grass in other pastures might be the key....

at the time he was hanging out with them he was dating a Buddhist Korean girl that had also moved to Australia but he had met while we were in the service together ( I am still good friends with her) The change took place while they were dating. he started hanging out with crazy christian types.

Does he now want the Buddhist girl burned alive?

Well my old Army Buddy. when we were stationed in Korea we would go drink all the time and party with Korean university students. I got a very nice assignment back in the states so I elected not to extend anymore. He stayed in Korea his entire enlistment. After our enlistments were up, he went to College in Australia and I went to university in the states.

In Australia he hung out with Korean students who came there most of whom were very Christian. He finished school and started doing things like missionary trips to Cambodia. Now he no longer drinks and he gave up chasing women to get engaged to this one very Christian girl. How do I save him from super religiousness ??
Leave him to enjoy his life, as it is his own choice?

Does he now want the Buddhist girl burned alive?

well he prayed for her temple to burn down.

Set them alight, that they may be redeemed by cleansing fire. Or just get over it and accept/reject the new them.

That does't sound super religious. Sounds like a normal Christian thing to do. Now, if he starts killing witches, gays, and Jews, then you might want to save him from himself.

I'd have to agree with Zilam. He actually sounds like what Christians should be.

Well my old Army Buddy. when we were stationed in Korea we would go drink all the time and party with Korean university students. I got a very nice assignment back in the states so I elected not to extend anymore. He stayed in Korea his entire enlistment. After our enlistments were up, he went to College in Australia and I went to university in the states.

In Australia he hung out with Korean students who came there most of whom were very Christian. He finished school and started doing things like missionary trips to Cambodia. Now he no longer drinks and he gave up chasing women to get engaged to this one very Christian girl. How do I save him from super religiousness ??

Kidnap him and take him over there.

What? I couldn't care less about your friend, it's his choice. But if he's going to start bunging out sprogs and bringing them up fundy, I'd rather he do that over there! :D

You've been talking way too much about proposition 8. Start a thread on WW2 and talk about tanks for a while and the ads will change magically.

Lol!

I'm getting an ad for something called Holy War just now. Clearly the ad-targetter cannot detect irony.

EDIT: It's caught up now. KoreanCupid.com is offering me a nice Korean girl.

Kidnap him and take him over there.

What? I couldn't care less about your friend, it's his choice. But if he's going to start bunging out sprogs and bringing them up fundy, I'd rather he do that over there! :D

Yeah apparently Australia is becoming a magnet to American Fundies. Seems they stop over there for a month before going to places in Asia. So now I can blame Australia.

Also annoying as he preaches things about gays burning in hell and the like.

Yeah apparently Australia is becoming a magnet to American Fundies. Seems they stop over there for a month before going to places in Asia. So now I can blame Australia.

Also annoying as he preaches things about gays burning in hell and the like.
Maybe he always was a jerk, but it didn't come out till he was surrounded by like minds?

Well my old Army Buddy. when we were stationed in Korea we would go drink all the time and party with Korean university students. I got a very nice assignment back in the states so I elected not to extend anymore. He stayed in Korea his entire enlistment. After our enlistments were up, he went to College in Australia and I went to university in the states.

In Australia he hung out with Korean students who came there most of whom were very Christian. He finished school and started doing things like missionary trips to Cambodia. Now he no longer drinks and he gave up chasing women to get engaged to this one very Christian girl. How do I save him from super religiousness ??

So... your buddy settled down, quit drinking and womanizing, and is looking to do something positive with his life....

...and to you this is a bad thing?

Interesting.

Yeah apparently Australia is becoming a magnet to American Fundies.

Australia, the promised land. :eek:

Yeah, they could come here as visitors and jump their visas (how most "illegal immigrants" actually do it, despite the scare campaigns focussing on boat arrivals) but without citizenship they couldn't vote so meh.

You know I'm a multiculturalist right? I'm fine with diverse religions, but the place is far enough up the arse of the judeo-christian tradition already.

Seems they stop over there for a month before going to places in Asia. So now I can blame Australia.

It makes sense. If you want a nice, compliant little wifey get a poor girl who is persecuted in her home country.
(She'll generally get wise in a year or two, but hey, get another one.)

Also annoying as he preaches things about gays burning in hell and the like.

What's his church? You might want to study up on factions rather than trying to change his mind all the way back to secularism. Get the wedge in with something he will allow himself to doubt.

Or just get him drunk and give him a blow-job.

well he prayed for her temple to burn down.

Also annoying as he preaches things about gays burning in hell and the like.

Um, if we take greed and death's word for it I'm fairly sure that this crosses the line from 'moderate Christian' to 'wanker'.

or perhaps he's just a pyromaniac

*yep*

or perhaps he's just a pyromaniac

Hmm. Maybe a stint in the volunteer bush fire brigade would get it out of his system!

Everytime I open this thread I get an ad for Single Gay Asian dating.:eek2:

I got a University of Phoenix ad.

greed and death, why do you now think your friend is a fundie? Because he found religion?

What's "super" about his conversion? Just because he's not sport-fucking and drinking his body weight in booze anymore, suddenly he's a fundie?

Exactly.

Yeah apparently Australia is becoming a magnet to American Fundies. Seems they stop over there for a month before going to places in Asia. So now I can blame Australia.

Also annoying as he preaches things about gays burning in hell and the like.

So that's why it has grown a bit of a voice? It will never take hole voer here Australia doesn't have the same hang ups as you Yanks. Of course don't forget that this guys is surrounded by Koreans.

Well my old Army Buddy. when we were stationed in Korea we would go drink all the time and party with Korean university students. I got a very nice assignment back in the states so I elected not to extend anymore. He stayed in Korea his entire enlistment. After our enlistments were up, he went to College in Australia and I went to university in the states.

In Australia he hung out with Korean students who came there most of whom were very Christian. He finished school and started doing things like missionary trips to Cambodia. Now he no longer drinks and he gave up chasing women to get engaged to this one very Christian girl. How do I save him from super religiousness ??

Kill him. Better that than letting him be a fundy.

Kill him. Better that than letting him be a fundy.

I'm sure his friend would disagree with that. And his friend is an adult, so it really isn't anybodies place to do something.

I'm sure his friend would disagree with that. And his friend is an adult, so it really isn't anybodies place to do something.

Is your sarcasm meter broken?

I'm sure his friend would disagree with that. And his friend is an adult, so it really isn't anybodies place to do something.

Well, certainly not anything against his will (my own suggestion of kidnapping him hopefully passes the irony test.)

I guess friendship means that if he's getting into something you think will leave him unhappy you try to talk him out of it. There are some cults I'd try pretty hard to keep a friend out of ... but just because he rants about hell-fire and damnation doesn't prove he's being brainwashed. "There's no fanatic like a neophyte" or something.

Agreeing with you here.

Well my old Army Buddy. when we were stationed in Korea we would go drink all the time and party with Korean university students. I got a very nice assignment back in the states so I elected not to extend anymore. He stayed in Korea his entire enlistment. After our enlistments were up, he went to College in Australia and I went to university in the states.

In Australia he hung out with Korean students who came there most of whom were very Christian. He finished school and started doing things like missionary trips to Cambodia. Now he no longer drinks and he gave up chasing women to get engaged to this one very Christian girl. How do I save him from super religiousness ??

I think you should identify whether or not the group he has joined is a destructive one or just a way of life which he chose. Once again I direct you to Rick Ross and his warning signs. (http://www.rickross.com/warningsigns.html) If the group he has joined is truly a cult then by all means get him out, if not then any attempt to change his religion would make you no better than a cultist for trying to force him to chance his views.

Uhm .... pray for his soul?
Before he loses it completely to platitudes and delusion?

I can't stress this enough. Make sure that brainwashing and cult activity are actually present before acting.

I can't stress this enough. Make sure that brainwashing and cult activity are actually present before acting.True.
Factor one: let him come to his own conclusions. Alone. If it's the cult doing it, lose it.

I can't stress this enough. Make sure that brainwashing and cult activity are actually present before acting.

What?

Firstly, most of those "warning signs" require that you actually witness the workings of the cult first hand. Are you suggesting g&d go along to a meeting/sermon, or just judge second hand by asking his friend?

And, when you say "acting" I don't know if you mean "talking about his religious beliefs" or "kidnapping his brainwashed ass" ... so, what?

True.
Factor one: let him come to his own conclusions. Alone.

That's exactly what cults are all about. You don't come to any conclusion alone.

It sounds like "get him out" would involve him leaving his wife. I'm sure you can imagine what happens a week or so later.

That's exactly what cults are all about. You don't come to any conclusion alone.
My conclusion exactly. I figured i'd leave it in the "air" a moment ... :)

It sounds like "get him out" would involve him leaving his wife. I'm sure you can imagine what happens a week or so later.Eh, what's the cost of a soul? :)

What?

Firstly, most of those "warning signs" require that you actually witness the workings of the cult first hand. Are you suggesting g&d go along to a meeting/sermon, or just judge second hand by asking his friend?

And, when you say "acting" I don't know if you mean "talking about his religious beliefs" or "kidnapping his brainwashed ass" ... so, what?

lol your word twist is so ridiculous it's funny. When I say acting I mean making proper decisions based on the knowledge the OP has about this group and the valuable insight from qualified cult experts. The proper course of action is dependent upon the circumstances.

A main rule when engaging cults is to collect intelligence subtly. Reason being that if it is a cult and they become alert to your intentions it'll be hell trying to get your buddy out. One course of action would be to pretend to be interested in the religion and come along with a sermon, if the cult is more dangerous and secretive doing research. Also talking with the friend in a certain way can also tell us a lot about the group. As Margaret Thaler Singer states, many cultists speak in a pre-programmed jingo that the cult has created for them, so in short cultists speak and interact differently than free thinking folk like us. Pretending to be interested in the religion will also help get key facts from him. When either of those options are out of the question do some research, research is invaluable to combating cults, any documents will offer useful information that could help you form an informed opinion.

lol your word twist is so ridiculous it's funny.

I didn't twist your words. I gave two possible interpretations, and the reason they are widely divergent is that your statement was VAGUE.

So I asked you for clarification, which you gave and which I now address.

When I say acting I mean making proper decisions based on the knowledge the OP has about this group and the valuable insight from qualified cult experts. The proper course of action is dependent upon the circumstances.

First piece of knowledge about the potential "cult" would be the name of the church, which you might notice I asked, about a page ago. Or the name of a 'pastor' ... or of a text they use.

I hope it's not Sun Yet Moon (sp?) -- pretty tight cult that one.

A main rule when engaging cults is to collect intelligence subtly. Reason being that if it is a cult and they become alert to your intentions it'll be hell trying to get your buddy out.

In fact, he probably won't take your calls ever again.

One course of action would be to pretend to be interested in the religion and come along with a sermon,

I think that is a good idea, yes.

From the thread, it seems the friend is living in Australia, while g&d is living in the States. But I might have that wrong, and the opportunity might come up anyway.

if the cult is more dangerous and secretive doing research. Also talking with the friend in a certain way can also tell us a lot about the group. As Margaret Thaler Singer states, many cultists speak in a pre-programmed jingo that the cult has created for them, so in short cultists speak and interact differently than free thinking folk like us.

In this thread, g&d mentioned his friend believing gays burn in hellfire. Doesn't sound particularly coded to me.

Pretending to be interested in the religion will also help get key facts from him. When either of those options are out of the question do some research, research is invaluable to combating cults, any documents will offer useful information that could help you form an informed opinion.

Fair enough. You had something to say after all, which would have gone unsaid if we both played that "You're twisting my words!" game.

Eh, what's the cost of a soul? :)

What are you offering? :tongue:

Update. He is bragging about donating 10,000 to the Yes on Prop 8 fund. though that's Aussie dollars so no idea on conversion.

What are you offering? :tongue:Miss Holy See's soul, of course. Do you remember that goddess?
*rummages archives*
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11243361&postcount=139

...oh yeah, before i sound too chauvinist, i should probably point out, as Hammurab did, i don't have much of my own soul to barter with.

Yeah apparently Australia is becoming a magnet to American Fundies. Seems they stop over there for a month before going to places in Asia. So now I can blame Australia.

Also annoying as he preaches things about gays burning in hell and the like.

Update. He is bragging about donating 10,000 to the Yes on Prop 8 fund. though that's Aussie dollars so no idea on conversion.

Okay, now THAT information in the OP would have elicited a much different response from me. Perhaps you can point out how many people that he might admire or respect are also "bound for hell" for one reason or another as a result of his sect's particular Biblical interpretation.

Miss Holy See's soul, of course. Do you remember that goddess?
*rummages archives*
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11243361&postcount=139

...oh yeah, before i sound too chauvinist, i should probably point out, as Hammurab did, i don't have much of my own soul to barter with.

Easily one of the most alluring presences ever to grace NSG.

pray for their poor lost souls, and help them to learn how to read.

what do you call someone who thinks they know everything about everything no one knows anything about, and everyone else, including any attempt at honest objectivity is WRONG? a: a fanatic

what do you call a belief, the majority of who'se fallowers worship its revealer more then they have the slightest idea what he actually tried to teach them? a: a cult (example; many, though perhapse not all, branches of christianity.)

what do you call someone who actually does understand and attempt to practice the teachings of their own belief, pretty much without exception, whatever that belief might happen to be? a: a socialist. (which is cool, and why i believe in all of them up to a point, and almost none of what most of their fallowers think they know about them)

Easily one of the most alluring presences ever to grace NSG.
*dances weasel dance*
You know how i'm not big on absolutes, normally?
Major failure on my part here. *nods emphatically*
She's scrumptious.

Well my old Army Buddy. when we were stationed in Korea we would go drink all the time and party with Korean university students. I got a very nice assignment back in the states so I elected not to extend anymore. He stayed in Korea his entire enlistment. After our enlistments were up, he went to College in Australia and I went to university in the states.

In Australia he hung out with Korean students who came there most of whom were very Christian. He finished school and started doing things like missionary trips to Cambodia. Now he no longer drinks and he gave up chasing women to get engaged to this one very Christian girl. How do I save him from super religiousness ??

You can't, nor should you, his choice his life.

...oh yeah, before i sound too chauvinist, i should probably point out, as [B]Hammurab did, i don't have much of my own soul to barter with.

Indeed. Half of it belongs to me. *nod*

Check this site too... it talks about to carry out an intervention...

http://www.rickross.com/prep_faq.html

Update. He is bragging about donating 10,000 to the Yes on Prop 8 fund. though that's Aussie dollars so no idea on conversion.

Kill him.

Yeah apparently Australia is becoming a magnet to American Fundies. Seems they stop over there for a month before going to places in Asia. So now I can blame Australia.

Also annoying as he preaches things about gays burning in hell and the like.


Get him pissed in the company of women. Bit of the other might work. Specially if the new woman finds out.

KILLERIZE TEH GAYS! THEY'RE NOT PEOPLE AFTER ALL! LET THEM BURN IN HELL!

/Extreme right wing bigotry.

KILLERIZE TEH GAYS! THEY'RE NOT PEOPLE AFTER ALL! LET THEM BURN IN HELL!

/Extreme right wing bigotry.

The formats all wrong. :mad::tongue: Firstly tags precede as well as conclude the satire, all tag letters must be capped and where are the brackets???

Indeed. Half of it belongs to me. *nod*How'd Garfield put it?
That and $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee.
Or maybe it was a Rule of Acquisition ...
#109: Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack.

Is your sarcasm meter broken?

It's hard sometimes to detect sarcasm, especially with this topic and some posters intense hatred of religion.

Update. He is bragging about donating 10,000 to the Yes on Prop 8 fund. though that's Aussie dollars so no idea on conversion.

*checks* Gee, the aussie is right down. It's $US 6,700

He donated that personally? Or raised it for his "church" to donate? Or not clear which?
I think it's an important distinction. The second option is far creepier.


Um, I thought foreign money was banned from campaign funding in the States?

It's hard sometimes to detect sarcasm, especially with this topic and some posters intense hatred of religion.

I've not seen much hate of religion on this thread. In fact, the majority have chastised the OP for being narrow-minded. However, once the OP gave further details about the friend's anti-rights activity, the mood turned. I don't think religion is blameless in this instance.

Kill him. Better that than letting him be a fundy.

hmmm, you know....
g&d might turn fundie too...
:p

Why would you stop him from making something of himself and being a decent person? Some friend you are.

Greed an Death

seriously, you have to save his ass before the brainwashing takes him over for good
I know a few [new testament christians], and they are serious head cases, some actually believe in that evangelism s**t, others believe that they can keep doing 'sinful' things during the week as long as they go to church on sunday and pray for forgiveness, and others are so lost that they are total "happy happy joy joy" about life to the point that they lack other emotions

Being religious is good, being a fundamental is hell on earth

SAVE HIM DAMMIT!!!

Greed an Death

seriously, you have to save his ass before the brainwashing takes him over for good
I know a few [new testament christians], and they are serious head cases, some actually believe in that evangelism s**t, others believe that they can keep doing 'sinful' things during the week as long as they go to church on sunday and pray for forgiveness, and others are so lost that they are total "happy happy joy joy" about life to the point that they lack other emotions

Being religious is good, being a fundamental is hell on earth

SAVE HIM DAMMIT!!!

If this isn't an endorsement of what everybody else has been saying (let him be, it's his life) then I don't know what is...

Yeah...praying for the burning of temples of another religion is what decent people do (going by OP's posts of his friend's behavior).

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/14/asia/buddhist.php
..Lee, 66, is an elder at a Presbyterian church in Seoul. Since his election last December, Buddhists have voiced a rising alarm over the country's conservative Protestant churches. These churches support Lee, but they also have irritated many Koreans - not just Buddhists - with their assertive proselytizing and alleged disregard for other faiths.

In August, tens of thousands of Buddhist monks and lay people marched in central Seoul, accusing Lee and his government of discriminating against Buddhists and favoring Protestants.

...

Buddhists complain that of the 16 members of Lee's cabinet, 13 are Christians while only one is a Buddhist. (The other two have no religious affiliation.)

Buddhist misgivings about Lee deepened in June, when the Ministry of Land, Transport and Maritime Affairs posted on its Web site a map of greater Seoul that omitted Buddhist temples, even famous ones, while marking the locations of even minor Christian churches.

...

Buddhism is 1,600 years old in Korea, but it has lost ground, first to Catholicism and then to Protestant denominations. Protestantism arrived here with American missionaries only a century ago but has expanded in the past several decades in parallel with the country's modernization.

...

Christian fundamentalists have stoked resentment by vandalizing statues of Dangun, the nation's mythic founder. Families also have been divided as increasing numbers of Protestants have refused to take part in Confucian ancestor worship, holiday rituals that used to be performed in all families regardless of their religious affiliation.

The Buddhist furor escalated in recent weeks as videos circulated on the Internet showing zealous Protestant preachers, one of whom led his congregation in shouts for the "collapse of Buddhist temples."

In another clip, a leading preacher, Jang Kyong Dong, says: "Buddhist monks are wasting their time. They should convert to Jesus. Is there any Buddhist country in the world that is rich?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VHF-feF2PA&feature=related
Korean Christian says 'Destroy All Buddhist temple!'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wh30ZQxYUQ
Korean Christian Burn Doseon Buddhist temple

I've not seen much hate of religion on this thread. In fact, the majority have chastised the OP for being narrow-minded. However, once the OP gave further details about the friend's anti-rights activity, the mood turned. I don't think religion is blameless in this instance.

The intense hatred I mentioned in my previous post is from past threads, not necessarily this thread.

The intense hatred I mentioned in my previous post is from past threads, not necessarily this thread.

Fair enough, but you should have specified.

*checks* Gee, the aussie is right down. It's $US 6,700

He donated that personally? Or raised it for his "church" to donate? Or not clear which?
I think it's an important distinction. The second option is far creepier.


Um, I thought foreign money was banned from campaign funding in the States?

Personally donated he signed up for Classes got the Va benefits to pay for it then dropped the classes. Then donated it all to yes on Prop 8.
normally we would have to pay it back but with a foreign school the US government doesn't catch it.

He has fallen a long way from being proud his brother got a civil union in Vermont.

Personally donated he signed up for Classes got the Va benefits to pay for it then dropped the classes. Then donated it all to yes on Prop 8.
normally we would have to pay it back but with a foreign school the US government doesn't catch it.

He has fallen a long way from being proud his brother got a civil union in Vermont.

Where are the fraud charges?

Where are the fraud charges?

Normally you just have to pay it back. His school is in Australian so the US government has no clue he dropped the courses. only way it would happen would involve me turning him in and I am not about to do that.

only way it would happen would involve me turning him in and I am not about to do that.
I wish you would. I know it is a difficult decision for you to make, but his fraudulent behavior has real victims.

How'd Garfield put it?

Or maybe it was a Rule of Acquisition ...

I don´t care, all I know is that half of your soul belongs to me.:D

I don´t care, all I know is that half of your soul belongs to me.:D

And all your base are belong to us (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4AuN6pN1kY). :D