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After watching yet another censored episode of Scrubs earlier today, and the annoying sound blank out, i decided to (8 and a half hours later when it occured to me again) post it here to find everyones opinion on censorship.

What is ok to censorship, what MUST be censored, do you support the watershed, should it be moved forward or back, ect ect.

I am of the opinion that swearing is only an OMG thing if its hardly done, if everyone just cussed loads the words lose their "Power." and the dictionary would gain wuvly new descriptive words which years down the line would be useful in poetry, finally a decent rhyme to duck that won't get you beaten by your english teacher.

I do however think that some stuff should be censored, snuff films, racist propoganda, political propoganda (YAYYY BBC is doing it right), religious propoganda, all propoganda :P
As well as kiddie porn.

Your thoughts?

After watching yet another censored episode of Scrubs earlier today, and the annoying sound blank out, i decided to (8 and a half hours later when it occured to me again) post it here to find everyones opinion on censorship.

What is ok to censorship, what MUST be censored, do you support the watershed, should it be moved forward or back, ect ect.

I am of the opinion that swearing is only an OMG thing if its hardly done, if everyone just cussed loads the words lose their "Power." and the dictionary would gain wuvly new descriptive words which years down the line would be useful in poetry, finally a decent rhyme to duck that won't get you beaten by your english teacher.

I do however think that some stuff should be censored, snuff films, racist propoganda, political propoganda (YAYYY BBC is doing it right), religious propoganda, all propoganda :P
As well as kiddie porn.

Your thoughts?

I tend to think that if it's legal, most things should be allowed after a reasonable time, with no censorship.

Obviously, 'real' kiddie porn or snuff would be illegal, and thus not allowed, at all. There might be some question about simulation of those things.

Since the technology for censoring content is available 'at the set', now - I think censoring for bad language and the like is now redundant and ridiculous.

I am very annoyed by USian 'bleeping out' on tv and on radio. Seriously. A little swearing is okay. Leave it be goddamn it! I wish they'd stop hosting USian radio on Canukistani airwaves.

I tend to think that if it's legal, most things should be allowed after a reasonable time, with no censorship.

Obviously, 'real' kiddie porn or snuff would be illegal, and thus not allowed, at all. There might be some question about simulation of those things.

Since the technology for censoring content is available 'at the set', now - I think censoring for bad language and the like is now redundant and ridiculous.
I can agree with this

The time limit I think is un-necessary providing

Parents a way to check before changing the channel with their kids right into the middle of an orgasm (which is currently available with non broadcast TV solutions such as satellite and Cable)

Well, I do not like censorship. Children don't understand censored content anyways until they are old enough for it...

I do however think that some stuff should be censored, snuff films, racist propoganda, political propoganda (YAYYY BBC is doing it right), religious propoganda, all propoganda :P
As well as kiddie porn.

Your thoughts?

It can be very difficult to define "propaganda". Depending on definitions, the above would ban any political campaigning or religious texts.

I also feel that banning racist speech is counter-productive to eliminating racism.

I am against censorship on TV. I don't care if it's hardcore anal fucking with closeups, or a diatribe filled with the nastiest words imaginable. It should be allowed. If you don't like it, turn off the fucking TV.

As to concerns over kids seeing such material... folks, keeping track of what your kids watch on TV and making sure they don't see stuff on TV that you would prefer them not to is YOUR job as parents, not the government's or the TV station's.

I am against censorship on TV. I don't care if it's hardcore anal fucking with closeups, or a diatribe filled with the nastiest words imaginable. It should be allowed. If you don't like it, turn off the fucking TV.

As to concerns over kids seeing such material... folks, keeping track of what your kids watch on TV and making sure they don't see stuff on TV that you would prefer them not to is YOUR job as parents, not the government's or the TV station's.

While I agree, in general, my concession to watersheds is... you don't always have control of the TV. But, you're more likely to have a rough idea where your babies are after bed time, and have a better amount of control.

While I agree, in general, my concession to watersheds is... you don't always have control of the TV. But, you're more likely to have a rough idea where your babies are after bed time, and have a better amount of control.

I think it should be an unofficial custom rather than a rule, though.

When I worry about the media, I generally worry about consolidation more than content.

After watching yet another censored episode of Scrubs earlier today, and the annoying sound blank out, i decided to (8 and a half hours later when it occured to me again) post it here to find everyones opinion on censorship.

What is ok to censorship, what MUST be censored, do you support the watershed, should it be moved forward or back, ect ect.

I am of the opinion that swearing is only an OMG thing if its hardly done, if everyone just cussed loads the words lose their "Power." and the dictionary would gain wuvly new descriptive words which years down the line would be useful in poetry, finally a decent rhyme to duck that won't get you beaten by your english teacher.

I do however think that some stuff should be censored, snuff films, racist propoganda, political propoganda (YAYYY BBC is doing it right), religious propoganda, all propoganda :P
As well as kiddie porn.

Your thoughts?

Kiddie porn should be illegal because making it violates the rights of children. Snuff films similarly should be illegal because they involve murdering someone.


Also what is meant by religious propaganda? I don't like Televangelists, but I don't think their shows should be banned just because I don't like what they say.

I think it should be an unofficial custom rather than a rule, though.

When I worry about the media, I generally worry about consolidation more than content.

I like the idea of content being offered in both censored and uncensored format. When I pay for my TV channels, I'd like to be able to opt for the version of MTV that doesn't cut lyrics out of songs (well, let's pretend MTV still PLAYED songs). I'm quite happy for the censored crap to be the default version.

As for 'adult content', I'm not averse to pincoding... let people flip around channels all they like, but you won't see anything on certain channels till you bash in your number. Helps avoid accidentally tuning in to moneyshots when you were looking for grandma's cookery programming.

But the choice as to whether you should be ALLOWED to see such content? As a mature (consenting) adult? That's just bullshit. I'm a grown-up, and I should be allowed to watch whatever content I want (that is legal). Protection should be against accidental transgression - like your kids accidentally hitting the wrong channel... not some obscure arbiter of what is 'okay' for your moral health.

well i think just propiganda mostly. of course the foundation of capitolism is a particularly insidious form of propiganda known as advertising, which also seems to be the foundation of corporate broadcast media television.

i think the f.c.c.'s fanatacism about its seven little worlds, as mentioned in one of george carlin's most famous bits, is, has always been excessive.

and i think the censorship of friendly sex while allowing kids to see battlefield bloodshed is exactly backwards for what it's doing to their heads, to how the're growing up and all.

exploitive, not so friendly sex is maybe another matter, at least i'm not quite as strongly against censoring it. and then there's a lot of things that i find in erotic story telling that are just not that erotic, or even counter erotic, though of course they do remain within the sphere of sex in some sense.

you know the problem with the influence of anything is not the shock of seeing something once, or for the first time, but rather when that is the only thing that someone does see, that one is familiar with, that is when it becomes the only way they know how to deal with something. so the problem there is with the lack of diversity, and that is the problem, precisely, that censorship, far from dealing with, only makes worse.

so really what is needed is not more, or even as much, of censorship, but of representing a MUCH broader diversity of perspectives, and that of course, is precisely what corporate media entertainment, with its own sets of hidden agendas, most thoroughly and miserably fails to do.

I like the idea of content being offered in both censored and uncensored format. When I pay for my TV channels, I'd like to be able to opt for the version of MTV that doesn't cut lyrics out of songs (well, let's pretend MTV still PLAYED songs). I'm quite happy for the censored crap to be the default version.

As for 'adult content', I'm not averse to pincoding... let people flip around channels all they like, but you won't see anything on certain channels till you bash in your number. Helps avoid accidentally tuning in to moneyshots when you were looking for grandma's cookery programming.

But the choice as to whether you should be ALLOWED to see such content? As a mature (consenting) adult? That's just bullshit. I'm a grown-up, and I should be allowed to watch whatever content I want (that is legal). Protection should be against accidental transgression - like your kids accidentally hitting the wrong channel... not some obscure arbiter of what is 'okay' for your moral health.

Indeed. I can drive, vote, buy porn, drink, and go die for my country. I think I can handle seeing some tits on TV or hearing course language (the very same language I heard every day in middle and high school).

Perhaps there should be TV's that have to have a password to turn on or flip channels. Or adjusting my account settings to allow just about anything through. Though I'd not bother with MTV since they have nothing on that station that I find worth spending time watching.

I like the idea of censorship being switchable

Why do they make TV programmes in the US knowing that they will be censored in the US?

I am very annoyed by USian 'bleeping out' on tv and on radio. Seriously. A little swearing is okay. Leave it be goddamn it! I wish they'd stop hosting USian radio on Canukistani airwaves.

Tell that to the CRTC... they're the ones who govern that BS.

I agree with you on the bleeping. It's stupid really.

Why do they make TV programmes in the US knowing that they will be censored in the US?DVD sales. Or uncut movies, as with Southpark

Child pornography is an easy target. Here's a harder one.

When episode 8 of Paranoia Agent was screened in UK a scene lasting 80 seconds was censored. The episode is about 3 people who are trying to kill themselves. In the deleted scene the 3 have strung nooses to a tree and hang themselves (unsuccessfully as it transpires). One of the three is a child. It raises all sorts of interesting issues.

You can watch it on youtube here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuRkW0oAg_o) (Unfortunately, this recording is very dark.)

The series is, among other things, a satire on the moral emptiness of modern day Japan. Do you think this scene should have been deleted.

Child pornography is an easy target. Here's a harder one.

When episode 8 of Paranoia Agent was screened in UK a scene lasting 80 seconds was censored. The episode is about 3 people who are trying to kill themselves. In the deleted scene the 3 have strung nooses to a tree and hang themselves (unsuccessfully as it transpires). One of the three is a child. It raises all sorts of interesting issues.

You can watch it on youtube here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuRkW0oAg_o) (Unfortunately, this recording is very dark.)

The series is, among other things, a satire on the moral emptiness of modern day Japan. Do you think this scene should have been deleted.

The child was an actor, correct?

No, I do not think the scene should have been censored. It sounded important to the episode.

The child was an actor, correct?

No, I do not think the scene should have been censored. It sounded important to the episode.

It's anime, so the voice was acted.

Child pornography is an easy target. Here's a harder one.

When episode 8 of Paranoia Agent was screened in UK a scene lasting 80 seconds was censored. The episode is about 3 people who are trying to kill themselves. In the deleted scene the 3 have strung nooses to a tree and hang themselves (unsuccessfully as it transpires). One of the three is a child. It raises all sorts of interesting issues.

You can watch it on youtube here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuRkW0oAg_o) (Unfortunately, this recording is very dark.)

The series is, among other things, a satire on the moral emptiness of modern day Japan. Do you think this scene should have been deleted.

No.

Why do they make TV programmes in the US knowing that they will be censored in the US?

Foreign export and DVD release.

It's anime, so the voice was acted.

In that case, sure.

In my favorite anime, there is actually a gruesome scene where some little boys beat a little girl's puppy to death with a vase. After which she uses her strange mental powers to tear them all apart.

That's not why it's my favorite anime, but I have no problems with this being shown.

I am of the "don't like it? don't watch it" opinion.

I don't have too big of an issue with censorship. I tend to have enough faith in the people who make such decisions not to be stupid. At the end of the day they have the people's best interests in mind. As long as censorship doesn't get silly I'm not fussed. Missing out on a few swear words and a few tits being blurred out isn't going to kill me.

I don't have too big of an issue with censorship. I tend to have enough faith in the people who make such decisions not to be stupid. At the end of the day they have the people's best interests in mind. As long as censorship doesn't get silly I'm not fussed. Missing out on a few swear words and a few tits being blurred out isn't going to kill me.

Citizen Peisandros is right. Friend Computer always has your best interests in mind when deciding what content is allowed at your clearance level.

Citizen Peisandros is right. Friend Computer always has your best interests in mind when deciding what content is allowed at your clearance level.

Computer? Thought this was a thread about censorship on TV.. Quite different to internet censorship.

Children are going to hear the language through one way or another. Why bother bleeping out the main five at least? Just because some overzealous editors say it's offensive? Pathetic... My sister has been teaching my nieces to say things like "Call mama dammit!" and "Bye bitch!" and I find it kinda cute. Offensive but cute. Odds are that if it were someone else's child, I'd likely laugh it off as well.

As far as what content should be edited, that is so perspective based that it's ridiculous. If I were given control, I wouldn't edit as much. Keep the sex on the cable channels, but adult nudity and language is ridiculous to edit because those are things most people have seen. If it would mean more people are getting rid of their tvs kinda like in my NS2 version of Sans Amour, so be it. If someone is so prudish that they feel that a friggin nipple or exposing their butt crack (The funniest edits I've seen involved only blurring the butt crack on the late night comedy shows) then perhaps they shouldn't have a TV. It's something we've all learned about by the time we have finished elementary school anyway.

Why do they make TV programmes in the US knowing that they will be censored in the US?

To push the envelope. You never know what might get through, and when it does, it can be used as precedent.

To push the envelope. You never know what might get through, and when it does, it can be used as precedent.

And when you release the show's season on DVD, you can advertise it as "uncensored!" or "uncut!"

In that case, sure.

In my favorite anime, there is actually a gruesome scene where some little boys beat a little girl's puppy to death with a vase. After which she uses her strange mental powers to tear them all apart.

That's not why it's my favorite anime, but I have no problems with this being shown.

I am of the "don't like it? don't watch it" opinion.

Excel Saga?

Computer? Thought this was a thread about censorship on TV.. Quite different to internet censorship.

I believe Redwulf was subtly admitting to being a (reformed?) "Paranoia" player.

Excel Saga?

No, though that's awesome, too.

I was referring to Elfen Lied.

I believe Redwulf was subtly admitting to being a (reformed?) "Paranoia" player.

Why would you want to turn away from Paranoia?:DYeah, I've actually played it

I don't believe in government censorship, except in the cases of child porn and things of that ilk. There are ways for people to self-censor stuff on their TVs or computers, and i think that's the way it should be. If you don't want your children to see certain things, block them yourself, don't expect the government to do it. Why should i, as a consenting adult, have to miss out on things i might want to see because you don't want your children to be exposed to them?

I don't think children take things nearly as seriously as we do anyway. If people sat down and talked to their kids about things, they probably wouldn't have to worry about the violence and sex on TV corrupting them. I grew up watching horror movies, i loved Rambo III as a kid, my mom talked to me about sex when i was about ten or 11 and you know what? I didn't grow up to be some maladjusted sociopath who has unprotected sex with anyone breathing. We really tend to over-estimate how scarred kids are going to be regarding these things.