NationStates Jolt Archive

CNN just broke the news of her passing a few minutes ago. I'm not sure how or if this is going to affect what Senator Obama does in the final day of the election, but it's sad that if he does win tomorrow she didn't live to see it.

Any thought NSG?

Here's a link to the story: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/03/obama.grandma/index.html

My sympathies goes out to Obama and his family.

Unfortunate she didn't live long enough to see her grandson she worked so hard for make history.

Not something that will help, I guess. I just hope that the Republicans don't use this to try anything dirty.

Not something that will help, I guess. I just hope that the Republicans don't use this to try anything dirty.

Not like McCain can dig himself any deeper than he already has...

Not like McCain can dig himself any deeper than he already has...

A valid point, but it always seems the same way to me... The republicans have a habit of using dirty, underhanded tactics.

Not something that will help, I guess. I just hope that the Republicans don't use this to try anything dirty.I don't think anyone would be so desperate to do that. At least I hope so.

Aww.

I don't think anyone would be so desperate to do that. At least I hope so.

I can think of two people. Turd Blossom and Caribou Barbie.

Pretty much destroyed any chance of his aunt being used against him effectively.

I can think of two people. Turd Blossom and Caribou Barbie.

what would they even do? Laugh at him while he cries over her grave, I mean srly? how can you spin this to anything other than make yourself look like an ass, cause I really don't know- "don't elect Obama, he killed his grandma?"

what would they even do? Laugh at him while he cries over her grave, I mean srly? how can you spin this to anything other than make yourself look like an ass, cause I really don't know- "don't elect Obama, he killed his grandma?"

Well Rove has been making himself look like an ass professionally for years. Ole Sarah seems to be a quick study.

In all seriousness, this is not something I would ever wish upon anyone. I hope he can deal with it and move on.

My sympathies goes out to Obama and his family.

^This.

Damn...that's rough. Best to the family

Unfortunate she didn't live long enough to see her grandson she worked so hard for make history.

That is a tradgey. I'm glad at least he went and visited her the other day.

That is a tradgey. I'm glad at least he went and visited her the other day.

Indeed.

My heart goes out to Senator Obama.

That seriously sucks.

Well Rove has been making himself look like an ass professionally for years. Ole Sarah seems to be a quick study.

I can see him being with his family tomorrow mourning and the Republicans picking up on it and saying he has his priorities wrong.

In all honosty, if this changes anything, more people will vote for him now out of sympathy.


This will simply make the outcome tomorrow more emotional for him.

A terrible shame for the man. God, worst timing, I really wish this didn't happen now. At least a few months away, when he isn't under as much pressure. My condolences to the Obama family and their relatives, even thoguh I doubt they'll ever read this.

It's odd how the immediate reaction to this is "I wonder how McCain will spin this one". I'm not a McCain supporter (I'm not even American), but I have to say, it's an odd thing to do.

It's odd how the immediate reaction to this is "I wonder how McCain will spin this one". I'm not a McCain supporter (I'm not even American), but I have to say, it's an odd thing to do.

Look at the campaign thats been run. Its clear there isnt anything off limits to those slimely bastards.

It just shows you how disgusting his campaign has been were we all can see him using this against Obama.

Look at the campaign thats been run. Its clear there isnt anything off limits to those slimely bastards.

It just shows you how disgusting his campaign has been were we all can see him using this against Obama.

Or maybe you're taking this a little too far? As someone with not much interest in this election, it seems to me as if Obama supporters see McCain as morally suspect for even daring to run against him.

If you want to be really cynical about this, it can only be good for Obama, it's actually a very nicely timed death, just before voting day to show Obama's human side.

I just can send my condolences.

Or maybe you're taking this a little too far? As someone with not much interest in this election, it seems to me as if Obama supporters see McCain as morally suspect for even daring to run against him.


Well, I see McCain's campaign as morally suspect for declaring shit about how there's a "real" America, and his supporters for spreading constant ZOMG HE'S A MUSLIM, or ZOMG HE'S A FRIEND OF TERRORISM, or ZOMG HIS AUNT IS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT mud spam campaigns. They've played a shamefully low campaign, and I'm relieved it's not working that well. (Or maybe it is.)


If you want to be really cynical about this, it can only be good for Obama, it's actually a very nicely timed death, just before voting day to show Obama's human side.

Yeah, maybe his grandmother deliberately developed cancer at the exact right time years ago, calculated so she would die exactly when she did.

That's not cynical, that's conspiracy-theory nonsense.

Both political parties are notorious for using dirty underhanded tactics.

Or maybe you're taking this a little too far? As someone with not much interest in this election, it seems to me as if Obama supporters see McCain as morally suspect for even daring to run against him.


No, we see McCain as morally suspect for running a shameful campaign, telling outright lies, fear mongering, and inciting race riots.

If you want to be really cynical about this, it can only be good for Obama, it's actually a very nicely timed death, just before voting day to show Obama's human side.

I wont be shocked if the McCain campaign or some batshit fringe right wingers say she killed herself or he had her killed to give him an edge.

Syngia;14163616']Both political parties are notorious for using dirty underhanded tactics.

Not this year.

I wont be shocked if the McCain campaign or some batshit fringe right wingers say she killed herself or he had her killed to give him an edge.

It was probably the illegal immigrant aunt. They all did it together in some sort of anti-White, Muslim ritual. *nods*

It was probably the illegal immigrant aunt. They all did it together in some sort of anti-White, Muslim ritual. *nods*

Dude... come on... the woman just died of cancer.

In other news, the grandmother of Republican Candidate John McCain is a happy and healthy 125 years young!

It was probably the illegal immigrant aunt. They all did it together in some sort of anti-White, Muslim ritual. *nods*

Sorry, but that is in poor taste.

Sorry, but that is in poor taste.

How? Hes not mocking the victim.

Well, I see McCain's campaign as morally suspect for declaring shit about how there's a "real" America, and his supporters for spreading constant ZOMG HE'S A MUSLIM, or ZOMG HE'S A FRIEND OF TERRORISM, or ZOMG HIS AUNT IS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT mud spam campaigns. They've played a shamefully low campaign, and I'm relieved it's not working that well. (Or maybe it is.)
Well, yes, but did McCain's campaign put a spin on Obama taking a couple days off the campaign trail to visit his grandmother? No, of course not, they were all very busy sending him their best wishes. So what is the "ooh, I bet they'll spin this into him being distracted and stuff" even based on?

Yeah, maybe his grandmother deliberately developed cancer at the exact right time years ago, calculated so she would die exactly when she did.

That's not cynical, that's conspiracy-theory nonsense.
What you just said? Definitely. What Altruisma's post that you're replying to said? Not at all.
I'm sure you can see the difference between "you know, her death just might give him a nice last-minute sympathy bump in the polls" and "zomg she got cancer on purpose and timed her death for maximum gain!!11!".

yes but throughout the entirety of U.S history they are

Sorry, but that is in poor taste.

It'll be in poor taste when Obama haters say or think it and mean it.

I'm not happy anyone died, but I'm not running for any office, and I don't see why I need to pretend like someone I know is grieving and needs me to be tactful. If Mr Obama or any of his family actually read this forum and this thread and my posts, I would definitely have used a bit more taste.

Well, maybe.

Good. If I'm going to lose yet another election and another of life's battles, at least the other fucker is going to suffer too.

I'm sure you can see the difference between "you know, her death just might give him a nice last-minute sympathy bump in the polls" and "zomg she got cancer on purpose and timed her death for maximum gain!!11!".

Indeed. But based on this election so far, I will not be suprised if some fringe loon says she offed herself or he had her offed for political gain.


Will you?

Good. If I'm going to lose yet another election and another of life's battles, at least the other fucker is going to suffer too.

You're fucking Australian. You haven't lost shit.

Good. If I'm going to lose yet another election and another of life's battles, at least the other fucker is going to suffer too.

Thats it. On ignore you go.


Youre a pathetic, attention seeking, wormy little troll who deserves nothing but contempt.

Well, yes, but did McCain's campaign put a spin on Obama taking a couple days off the campaign trail to visit his grandmother? No, of course not, they were all very busy sending him their best wishes. So what is the "ooh, I bet they'll spin this into him being distracted and stuff" even based on?


Not all of McCain's supporters are The McCain Campaign.

What you just said? Definitely. What Altruisma's post that you're replying to said? Not at all.
I'm sure you can see the difference between "you know, her death just might give him a nice last-minute sympathy bump in the polls" and "zomg she got cancer on purpose and timed her death for maximum gain!!11!".

He didn't say, "her death might give him a sympathy bump in the polls." He said, it was a "nicely-timed death."

I can read.

You're fucking Australian. You haven't lost shit.

Oh please, as if the US doesn't control this entirely pitiful country like a puppet.

Hes going to need a night cap or 8 tonight. Poor git. I've followed the election scarcely, so barely in political input here. I've seen the McCain fellow on tv a few times, he has the words of a politician not a leader. Obama is a leader. Hope he can stay strong, and the press give him some relief so her can mourn with his family win or lose.

Indeed. But based on this election so far, I will not be suprised if some fringe loon says she offed herself or he had her offed for political gain.


Will you?
I just saw your post in a similar vein upthread and maybe it'd be wise to start making a distinction between "the McCain campaign" and "fringe loons".
It doesn't really cut it to go "McCain's gonna spin it!" and, when faced with incredulity, change that into "well, some batshit fringe right wingers totally might!" while pretending it's the same. Moving the goalposts much?

It's very sad. From the way he disappeared to be with her, I guessed that she was close to the end of her life, but I was hoping for her and his sake that she would make it to election day. I feel for Obama.

And the one thing I hope from the McCain camp is that they will just keep their mouths shut for once.

Oh please, as if the US doesn't control this entirely pitiful country like a puppet.

I thought China did:confused:

Indeed. But based on this election so far, I will not be suprised if some fringe loon says she offed herself or he had her offed for political gain.


Will you?

A little, yeah. On the outer fringe there will always be someone trying to out loon the next guy, but is there really any concern about what they say? I would be surprised if anything penetrates even the outer rings...

Look, when Obama went to see her Limbaugh said it was really a secret trip to do something about his birth certificate, that's the low water mark for this - Limbaugh. And I would be surprised if even he tried to make something out of this.

It just shows you how disgusting his campaign has been were we all can see him using this against Obama.
No, it shows how paranoid and defensive a lot of Obama supporters are. Get over it, dudes; you're in the majority, you've got the money, and by tomorrow night you'll have won.
Seriously, how would anyone spin this negatively? "Obama was unable to reach into his grandmother's body and tear the cancer out of her as she was floating up toward heaven. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOQhVu1I0aU) When McCain's grandmother was dying, he not only removed her cancer, but stuck it into Osama BinLaden."

I thought China did:confused:

China and US are on the same side.

Oh please, as if the US doesn't control this entirely pitiful country like a puppet.

QQ.

So, just to clarify, because you're unhappy with the election results in a country you're not from, you're happy that an 86 year old woman has died from cancer?

He didn't say, "her death might give him a sympathy bump in the polls." He said, it was a "nicely-timed death."

I can read.
I assume you can but I'll also have to assume that you're not aware that "nicely-timed" does in no way imply that the timing was actively planned, just as an "ill-timed" event doesn't imply that someone fucked up a schedule but merely that the event happened at an inopportune time.

He didn't say, "her death might give him a sympathy bump in the polls." He said, it was a "nicely-timed death."

I can read.

I would just like to go on record as saying, that if it can be read as me implying his grandmother offed herself or was offed, that is purely unintentional.

QQ.

So, just to clarify, because you're unhappy with the election results in a country you're not from, you're happy that an 86 year old woman has died from cancer?

I'm happy that the candidate that's going to beat me isn't going to be able to enjoy beating me that much.

A little, yeah. On the outer fringe there will always be someone trying to out loon the next guy, but is there really any concern about what they say? I would be surprised if anything penetrates even the outer rings...

Look, when Obama went to see her Limbaugh said it was really a secret trip to do something about his birth certificate, that's the low water mark for this - Limbaugh. And I would be surprised if even he tried to make something out of this.

Its just, after this whole "forged birth certificate" thing, nothing will suprise me anymore.

Not something that will help, I guess. I just hope that the Republicans don't use this to try anything dirty.

I'm wondering - have "sympathy votes" been statistically observed? To be giving a consistent slight bias to candidates who have suffered a recent personal loss?

---

Also, I don't see any way to spin a candidate's grandmother's death to his political disadvantage. The Republicans have done some pretty amazing things in that department (see Swiftboats) but this one seems about as easy as winning votes by kicking puppies on live TV.

CNN just broke the news of her passing a few minutes ago. I'm not sure how or if this is going to affect what Senator Obama does in the final day of the election, but it's sad that if he does win tomorrow she didn't live to see it.

Any thought NSG?

Here's a link to the story: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/03/obama.grandma/index.html

I doubt it would affect anything major. I extend my condolences to Sen. Obama and his family. What an unfortunate tragedy to take place on the eve of such an exciting event.

I'm happy that the candidate that's going to beat me isn't going to be able to enjoy beating me that much.

Right. You're revelling in the death of an elderly woman because you're bitter about an election result half a world away.

Its just, after this whole "forged birth certificate" thing, nothing will suprise me anymore.

I would be. There are limits, they may not always be where I think that they should be, but there are.

Right. You're revelling in the death of an elderly woman because you're bitter about an election result half a world away.

It's not half a world away, it's effectively the Earth elections.

I'm happy that the candidate that's going to beat me isn't going to be able to enjoy beating me that much.

I'm a conservative. I support McCain.

However, you disgust me.

I'm wondering - have "sympathy votes" been statistically observed? To be giving a consistent slight bias to candidates who have suffered a recent personal loss?

The masses are blind to politics anyway. They vote for whoevers name they can remember best or whoevers face looked the kindest. Very few voters have a any firm idea of what they are actually voting for. A president, of which your given options, of which most voters dont know the difference. Sympathy votes wont make much difference to the overall outcome anyway. Especially since Obamas not trying to actively use this to his advantage as is believed McCain would. Immediatly do a news report telling everyone how this has made his resolve for America stronger or some shiz.

I'm a conservative. I support McCain.

However, you disgust me.

I support whoever ensures that the US has the worst four years possible?

It's not half a world away, it's effectively the Earth elections.

It doesn't matter how influential the US elections will be, because it doesn't excuse you from delighting in the death of an innocent grandmother who did nothing to you, who you don't even know.

You're despicable.

My condolences to Mr Obama, and his family. May Madelyn Payne Dunham Rest In Peace.

It doesn't matter how influential the US elections will be, because it doesn't excuse you from delighting in the death of an innocent grandmother who did nothing to you, who you don't even know.

You're despicable.

Thank you.

It is definitely a tragedy, and I hope it doesn't affect him in too much of a negative way. He seems to still be in a professional state of mind, but the loss of a loved one can still be noticed with him. I personally can relate to his situation because my grandfather is battling with colon cancer at this very moment. I see Obama as a symbol of emotional strength, and that no matter how bad things get, you have to move on and keep living, and not to let the negative things get you out of your composure.

Oh please, as if the US doesn't control this entirely pitiful country like a puppet.

And that's why you're supporting the imperialist party. Right...

Seriously, how do you reconcile the idea "these elections decide the fate of the world" and "I hope America gets a bad president and SUFFERS"? By your own admission, a bad president will make the world suffer!

It doesn't matter how influential the US elections will be, because it doesn't excuse you from delighting in the death of an innocent grandmother who did nothing to you, who you don't even know.

You're despicable.

My condolences to Mr Obama, and his family. May Madelyn Payne Dunham Rest In Peace.

Dont feed the troll. People this pathetic just want attention, and any attention is good attention.

Dont feed the troll. People this pathetic just want attention, and any attention is good attention.

Always the best way out with griefers and trolls. Ignore them entirely. Talking sense to a troll is a pointless waste of effort that could be better used practicing ping pong or fighting crime.

Always the best way out with griefers and trolls. Ignore them entirely. Talking sense to a troll is a pointless waste of effort that could be better used practicing ping pong or fighting crime.

It doesn't quite work on me because I'm not a troll. I genuinely believe everything I say.

Dont feed the troll. People this pathetic just want attention, and any attention is good attention.

Quite right.

It doesn't matter how influential the US elections will be, because it doesn't excuse you from delighting in the death of an innocent grandmother who did nothing to you, who you don't even know.
Why do you assume she's innocent? She could have been a right ****. She could have run over Ferrous Oxide's dog at a crucial juncture during the poor mite's life, leaving him bitter and angry at the U.S. forever.

I'm just saying, I don't feel any sympathy for them. Obama's going to rule the world soon, why does he need my sympathy?

Why do you assume she's innocent? She could have been a right ****. She could have run over Ferrous Oxide's dog at a crucial juncture during the poor mite's life, leaving him bitter and angry at the U.S. forever.

Would explain a lot.

Why do you assume she's innocent? She could have been a right ****. She could have run over Ferrous Oxide's dog at a crucial juncture during the poor mite's life, leaving him bitter and angry at the U.S. forever.

I don´t want to laugh, this is a serious thread befitting Serious Cat and all, but it´s too damn hard not to.

Fiddy, thanks!:D

Dont feed the troll. People this pathetic just want attention, and any attention is good attention.

Perhaps we could just hit him with a rolled up newspaper?

Perhaps we could just hit him with a rolled up newspaper?

Squirt him with water?

Squirt him with water?

ooh, good idea.

I don´t want to laugh, this is a serious thread befitting Serious Cat and all, but it´s too damn hard not to.

Fiddy, thanks!:D
I always aim to please, and I always shoot to kill.

my prayers to Obam's family. I'm glad he was able to spend time with her before she passed.

Why do you assume she's innocent? She could have been a right ****. She could have run over Ferrous Oxide's dog at a crucial juncture during the poor mite's life, leaving him bitter and angry at the U.S. forever.
If she did do that to Ferrous Oxide... she should be an F'ing Saint!

I always aim to please, and I always shoot to kill.

And you seldom disappoint, matey.:D

If she did do that to Ferrous Oxide... she should be an F'ing Saint!

Are you condoning the killing of an innocent dog?

Although maybe even it wasn't innocent :eek:

Are you condoning the killing of an innocent dog?

Ferrous Oxide is a dog?!:eek2:

Are you condoning the killing of an innocent dog?

Although maybe even it wasn't innocent :eek:

when an Animal is subjected to long periods of creulty and torture, putting it out of it's misery is an accepted procedure.

now the fact that a dog was living with Ferrous Oxide...

well, can you think of a fate more torturous for the poor animal? :p

Ferrous Oxide is a dog?!:eek2:

Ferrous Oxide is innocent?!? :eek:

He has my sympathy, but not my vote.

He's really trying to power through the campaign speech right now, you can see the hurt in his face...this really sucks, man - I really feel for that guy.

It seems like she was one who really cared for him, and gave up everything for him. Such as shame she didn't live to see her work vindicated, but I hope she knew that he'll make it.

Also, the McCain campaign won't spin this for themselves. Hell, I doubt any of his supporters will. Not even Limbaugh will. That's too low.

Ferrous Oxide is innocent?!? :eek:

I am soooooo confused now.:(
JuNii, huggle!

I'm amazed at the composure he's keeping at a rally in North Carolina right now. It's clear he's crying, but he's keeping it together and staying on task. It really is admirable.

He's really trying to power through the campaign speech right now, you can see the hurt in his face...this really sucks, man - I really feel for that guy.

Im going to be totally heartless and coldly analyize this from a pure politics perspective....

If you can see the hurt in his face, that will help him. Remember how much Hillary crying helped her out?

I dont think it should, and I dont think he should exploit it. Im just stating facts.

Im going to be totally heartless and coldly analyize this from a pure politics perspective....

If you can see the hurt in his face, that will help him. Remember how much Hillary crying helped her out?

I dont think it should, and I dont think he should exploit it. Im just stating facts.

You're not being heartless.


By my standards...

I am soooooo confused now.:(
JuNii, huggle!

Huggles :fluffle:

Good. If I'm going to lose yet another election and another of life's battles, at least the other fucker is going to suffer too.

Yeah, I think that's quite enough from you.

24 hour ban for Trolling.

Im going to be totally heartless and coldly analyize this from a pure politics perspective....

If you can see the hurt in his face, that will help him. Remember how much Hillary crying helped her out?

I dont think it should, and I dont think he should exploit it. Im just stating facts.

the fact that no Republican attacked Obama's side trip to visit his ailing grandmother is testiment that they probably won't try to smear her.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/
California GOP Files FEC Complaint Over Obama Visit to Grandmother

By Matthew Mosk
Perhaps the most ill-timed press release of the 2008 campaign arrived shortly after 1:30 p.m. today, sent by the Republican National Committee.

The release forwarded word that the California Republican Party filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission, in part because of a visit Sen. Barack Obama made to his dying grandmother.

"Obama for America violated federal law by converting its campaign funds to Senator Obama's personal use," the release stated. "Senator Obama recently traveled to Hawaii to visit his sick grandmother. This was the right thing for any grandson to do -- at his own expense -- but it was not travel that his campaign may fund."

At issue was whether the trip should have been paid for with campaign funds, based on the law that forbids candidates from using such funds to pay for personal travel. The Obama campaign said the trip had been vetted with lawyers beforehand and was allowable. The Republicans argued that, because Obama did not campaign during the quick journey to Hawaii, it should not have been a campaign expense.

But filing the complaint today now seems to have been ill-advised, if not legally, then certainly politically.

Obama and his sister released a statement this afternoon announcing that their grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, died peacefully after a battle with cancer.
Stepped in that one, didn't they?

the fact that no Republican attacked Obama's side trip to visit his ailing grandmother is testiment that they probably won't try to smear her.

I sure hope you´re right. This is a moment of loss and it would be fucked up from the Republican party to smear the memory of her.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/
California GOP Files FEC Complaint Over Obama Visit to Grandmother

By Matthew Mosk
Perhaps the most ill-timed press release of the 2008 campaign arrived shortly after 1:30 p.m. today, sent by the Republican National Committee.

The release forwarded word that the California Republican Party filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission, in part because of a visit Sen. Barack Obama made to his dying grandmother.

"Obama for America violated federal law by converting its campaign funds to Senator Obama's personal use," the release stated. "Senator Obama recently traveled to Hawaii to visit his sick grandmother. This was the right thing for any grandson to do -- at his own expense -- but it was not travel that his campaign may fund."

At issue was whether the trip should have been paid for with campaign funds, based on the law that forbids candidates from using such funds to pay for personal travel. The Obama campaign said the trip had been vetted with lawyers beforehand and was allowable. The Republicans argued that, because Obama did not campaign during the quick journey to Hawaii, it should not have been a campaign expense.

But filing the complaint today now seems to have been ill-advised, if not legally, then certainly politically.

Obama and his sister released a statement this afternoon announcing that their grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, died peacefully after a battle with cancer.
Stepped in that one, didn't they?

Ouch! :(

Stepped in that one, didn't they?

Oh yes, that's gonna hurt.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/
California GOP Files FEC Complaint Over Obama Visit to Grandmother

By Matthew Mosk
Perhaps the most ill-timed press release of the 2008 campaign arrived shortly after 1:30 p.m. today, sent by the Republican National Committee.

The release forwarded word that the California Republican Party filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission, in part because of a visit Sen. Barack Obama made to his dying grandmother.

"Obama for America violated federal law by converting its campaign funds to Senator Obama's personal use," the release stated. "Senator Obama recently traveled to Hawaii to visit his sick grandmother. This was the right thing for any grandson to do -- at his own expense -- but it was not travel that his campaign may fund."

At issue was whether the trip should have been paid for with campaign funds, based on the law that forbids candidates from using such funds to pay for personal travel. The Obama campaign said the trip had been vetted with lawyers beforehand and was allowable. The Republicans argued that, because Obama did not campaign during the quick journey to Hawaii, it should not have been a campaign expense.

But filing the complaint today now seems to have been ill-advised, if not legally, then certainly politically.

Obama and his sister released a statement this afternoon announcing that their grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, died peacefully after a battle with cancer.
Stepped in that one, didn't they?

So... The party of the guy that uses his wife as a campaign tour guide is attacking Obama for visiting his grandmother?

Fine by me, that will bite them in the ass! They will go DOWN come tomorrow! Moeru! Moeru!

I sure hope you´re right. This is a moment of loss and it would be fucked up from the Republican party to smear the memory of her.

Locally, one Republican running for House publically called for his opponent's family to release her health status. she died shortly after and to say he lost would be an understatement.

looks like the Republicans are walking down that same path.

Locally, one Republican running for House publically called for his opponent's family to release her health status. she died shortly after and to say he lost would be an understatement.

looks like the Republicans are walking down that same path.

That´s low, really. Why are the Republicans stooping so low in the campaign? I mean, for fuck´s sake, the lady died of cancer. Obama´s family is in mourning. Can´t they respect that?

My sympathies to him and his family of course. I lost an aunt to caner, sadly I was too young to remember her. Never easy.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/
California GOP Files FEC Complaint Over Obama Visit to Grandmother

By Matthew Mosk
Perhaps the most ill-timed press release of the 2008 campaign arrived shortly after 1:30 p.m. today, sent by the Republican National Committee.

The release forwarded word that the California Republican Party filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission, in part because of a visit Sen. Barack Obama made to his dying grandmother.

"Obama for America violated federal law by converting its campaign funds to Senator Obama's personal use," the release stated. "Senator Obama recently traveled to Hawaii to visit his sick grandmother. This was the right thing for any grandson to do -- at his own expense -- but it was not travel that his campaign may fund."

At issue was whether the trip should have been paid for with campaign funds, based on the law that forbids candidates from using such funds to pay for personal travel. The Obama campaign said the trip had been vetted with lawyers beforehand and was allowable. The Republicans argued that, because Obama did not campaign during the quick journey to Hawaii, it should not have been a campaign expense.

But filing the complaint today now seems to have been ill-advised, if not legally, then certainly politically.

Obama and his sister released a statement this afternoon announcing that their grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, died peacefully after a battle with cancer.
Stepped in that one, didn't they?



Excellent. I hope the party burns on November 5th.

what would they even do? Laugh at him while he cries over her grave, I mean srly? how can you spin this to anything other than make yourself look like an ass, cause I really don't know- "don't elect Obama, he killed his grandma?"

"God has punished Obama because God hates socialists/Muslims/terrorists/etc."

That's how.

"God has punished Obama because God hates socialists/Muslims/terrorists/etc."

That's how.

Then let them bring it...

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/
California GOP Files FEC Complaint Over Obama Visit to Grandmother

By Matthew Mosk
Perhaps the most ill-timed press release of the 2008 campaign arrived shortly after 1:30 p.m. today, sent by the Republican National Committee.

The release forwarded word that the California Republican Party filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission, in part because of a visit Sen. Barack Obama made to his dying grandmother.

"Obama for America violated federal law by converting its campaign funds to Senator Obama's personal use," the release stated. "Senator Obama recently traveled to Hawaii to visit his sick grandmother. This was the right thing for any grandson to do -- at his own expense -- but it was not travel that his campaign may fund."

At issue was whether the trip should have been paid for with campaign funds, based on the law that forbids candidates from using such funds to pay for personal travel. The Obama campaign said the trip had been vetted with lawyers beforehand and was allowable. The Republicans argued that, because Obama did not campaign during the quick journey to Hawaii, it should not have been a campaign expense.

But filing the complaint today now seems to have been ill-advised, if not legally, then certainly politically.

Obama and his sister released a statement this afternoon announcing that their grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, died peacefully after a battle with cancer.
Stepped in that one, didn't they?
Well, that pretty much answers the question of this thread, doesn't it?

Yes, the Republicans will stoop that low because they are that scummy.

:rolleyes:

Well, that pretty much answers the question of this thread, doesn't it?

Yes, the Republicans will stoop that low because they are that scummy.

Now hold on a minute. Had they released this after her death was announced, I'd have agreed with you. 3 hours early, it's a legitimate question.

My guess is that Secret Service rules require him to travel in private aircraft at this point, but FEC rules would allow permit it as long as he reimbursed the campaign for the cost of a coach fare to Hawaii for himself and any family members that went along. That's how it works for SecDef and other officials that aren't allowed to travel via public conveyance.

This isn't scummy, it's just horribly mistimed and stupidly handled. Fault them for poor campaigning if you will, but this wasn't an attack on a dead woman.

To be honest, looking at it objectively, the Republican gripe that Obama misused his campaign money to pay for a personal flight seems legitimate, though very petty.

Visiting his sick grandmother was certainly important, however really it wasn't connected to the campaign. So really, campaign money shouldn't have went towards it.

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate.

The complaint shouldn't be taken as some kind of personal attack on Obama or his grandmother.

That´s low, really. Why are the Republicans stooping so low in the campaign? I mean, for fuck´s sake, the lady died of cancer. Obama´s family is in mourning. Can´t they respect that?
Mine was about another politician. US Rep Patsy Mink.

and while I do feel bad for her family, the manipulation of her health status was low. and it wasn't from the Reps.

I don't want to sound like an accountant or anything but everything that Obama does before the election is electioneering. He probably spoke in Hawaii while he was there? Being a dutiful grandson would have gone down very well with the voters.
Yes - Republican pre-election pettiness just about sums it up.
What you think this is stooping low? We can go lower!

Who is going up and down the country shouting that Obama is a Muslim terrorist? Republicans of course! Why? Because they want to win the election by fair means or foul and they think that by scaring Whitey they just might do it.
Even if Mc Cain shouted a thousand times, "Barack Obama is not a Muslim terrorist!" he counldn't undo the concerted vilification campaign that has its roots deep in the Republican spin machine.

Now hold on a minute. Had they released this after her death was announced, I'd have agreed with you. 3 hours early, it's a legitimate question.

My guess is that Secret Service rules require him to travel in private aircraft at this point, but FEC rules would allow permit it as long as he reimbursed the campaign for the cost of a coach fare to Hawaii for himself and any family members that went along. That's how it works for SecDef and other officials that aren't allowed to travel via public conveyance.

This isn't scummy, it's just horribly mistimed and stupidly handled. Fault them for poor campaigning if you will, but this wasn't an attack on a dead woman.
The fact that they did it about him visiting his seriously ill grandmother for a few days AT ALL renders them scummy.

I disagree with your assessment that it is a legitimate question. As far as I'm concerned it's just another desperate political ploy. And even if the lady had not died it would be doomed to backfire on them because, like everything else they've done, it would only bring attention to their own failings and transgressions. It's not like they have a pure record, expense-wise, themselves.

The fact that they release it and just a few hours later the lady dies, is just evidence that the gods of fate hate them.

Actually, what it's really evidence of is their total lack of any kind of sense -- common, decent, or even self-serving. Did they think he was just making a run to grandma's because she made brownies? Anyone with any sense would have known to keep their mouths shut about the whole thing until after the election, and if they had, then they wouldn't have set themselves up as petty whining losers trying to count pennies over a woman's death. Idiots.

Some people say the gods help those who help themselves, but it seems the Republicans this year couldn't help themselves as far as pissing without wetting their own pants.

The fact that they did it about him visiting his seriously ill grandmother for a few days AT ALL renders them scummy.
Except it's not about him visiting his seriously ill grandmother, but using funds to do so.

but yeah... it does seem like God is sending a rather strong message to the Republicans.

Well, yes, but did McCain's campaign put a spin on Obama taking a couple days off the campaign trail to visit his grandmother? No, of course not
Yes, of course they did. You didn't see McCain's campaign spokesman sneering about Obama taking a jet to "go see grandma"? It was disgusting.

Then let them bring it...

To be fair, that's more Phelps shtick than McCains.

I don't want to sound like an accountant or anything but everything that Obama does before the election is electioneering. He probably spoke in Hawaii while he was there? Being a dutiful grandson would have gone down very well with the voters.
Yes - Republican pre-election pettiness just about sums it up.
What you think this is stooping low? We can go lower!

Who is going up and down the country shouting that Obama is a Muslim terrorist? Republicans of course! Why? Because they want to win the election by fair means or foul and they think that by scaring Whitey they just might do it.
Even if Mc Cain shouted a thousand times, "Barack Obama is not a Muslim terrorist!" he counldn't undo the concerted vilification campaign that has its roots deep in the Republican spin machine.
There was no press coverage of Obama at all while he was on that visit. Considering the situation, I take that as an indication that he made no speeches or public appearances at all while he was there. Otherwise the press would likely have been all over it. I am sure he was on the phone with his campaign team working in other states, but that doesn't count.

"God has punished Obama because God hates socialists/Muslims/terrorists/etc."

That's how.

dunno... it seems like God is punishing the Republicans more than Obama. :D

My sympathies to him and his family. I would be devestated if any of my grandparents passed, so I cannot pretend to know his pain, but I do wish him the best. And there is no way that the Republican party could use this negatively. They'll simply make a point of offering condolences and wishing him well, at least thats what I would do. *shrug*

Except it's not about him visiting his seriously ill grandmother, but using funds to do so.

but yeah... it does seem like God is sending a rather strong message to the Republicans.
The Point: NOW IS NOT THE TIME, REPUBLICAN MORONS.

It's less than [edit] 24 hours before the election. What possible effect on the vote do they think releasing this complaint to the public now is going to have?

It's a sick grandmother, for fuck's sake. What head-up-the-ass idiot thinks that makes a good political target? I mean, come on, I ask you. Seriously.

What evidence is there that Obama has not or will not reimburse the campaign funds for this, thus rendering it a non-issue? I haven't seen any. So on what grounds do they base their latest hissy-fit? Oh, none. Just like all their other complaints about Obama.

And now the lady is dead. Yeah, who could possibly have seen that coming, considering she was only well over 80 and critically ill with cancer? Naturally the Rovian geniuses over in McCainville could not possibly have been expected to say to each other, "You know what? Maybe he did misuse some funds, but damnation, I'm not going to be the one to go after the grandmother visit. What if she drops dead? Then how will we look? Let's hold this one in reserve for possible later use."

I see no reason at all for going after this matter except to be pricks, and exceptionally stupid pricks at that.

I see no reason at all for going after this matter except to be pricks, and exceptionally stupid pricks at that.
well... all the smart pri... persons... already left the Republican party... :D

Sorry, but that is in poor taste.

Actually, it wasn't. Despite the bloke who posted it failing to describe it (and maybe I, as I have a tendency to do, read waaay too much into it) properly, I believe it was actually a stick to the Republicans for their tendency to throw insult and try to find ways to make wrong out of their opponents circumstances.

And thats coming from a Republican. lol

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JdGDSpxOXE) is the video of the McCain spokesman sneering at Obama for going to visit his grandma, at the time when it happened.

Much condolences to her family, and best of luck to her Senator grandson. I do hope that he turns out to be a very positive reflection on her over the next few years.

Aww, rest in peace. :(

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JdGDSpxOXE) is the video of the McCain spokesman sneering at Obama for going to visit his grandma, at the time when it happened.

I liked the way the interviewer dealt with him at the end: "Nice try Brad!"

Brad's words may come back to haunt him when he has to deal with President Obama in the future.:$

I liked the way the interviewer dealt with him at the end: "Nice try Brad!"

Brad's words may come back to haunt him when he has to deal with President Obama in the future.:$

Obama is not Palin. Id like to think he wont use his power to settle personal vendettes.

Thank the Lord! Oh Lordy Lord! Hallelujah! Barack is not Palin!

You know that in the Melbourne Age (Australia) 93% of readers polled preferred Obama to Mc Cain.

Joke: the women of America were polled about Bill Clinton - would you sleep with him. 50% of those polled replied "Never!". The other 50% replied "Never again!"

No, we see McCain as morally suspect for running a shameful campaign, telling outright lies, fear mongering, and inciting race riots.

Please. Just look up the campaigns of days gone by, this is nothing.

Who could forget the Jefferson's election, where his opponent claimed that Jefferson's election would result in the "teaching of murder robbery, rape, adultery and incest".

Or when Jackson's opponent called his wife a "whore"?

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JdGDSpxOXE) is the video of the McCain spokesman sneering at Obama for going to visit his grandma, at the time when it happened.

Not to absolve the McCain campaign of anything, but I can't find a direct link between Blakeman and the McCain campaign.

Here's a sourcewatch article on the guy.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bradley_Blakeman

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/
California GOP Files FEC Complaint Over Obama Visit to Grandmother

By Matthew Mosk
Perhaps the most ill-timed press release of the 2008 campaign arrived shortly after 1:30 p.m. today, sent by the Republican National Committee.

The release forwarded word that the California Republican Party filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission, in part because of a visit Sen. Barack Obama made to his dying grandmother.

"Obama for America violated federal law by converting its campaign funds to Senator Obama's personal use," the release stated. "Senator Obama recently traveled to Hawaii to visit his sick grandmother. This was the right thing for any grandson to do -- at his own expense -- but it was not travel that his campaign may fund."

At issue was whether the trip should have been paid for with campaign funds, based on the law that forbids candidates from using such funds to pay for personal travel. The Obama campaign said the trip had been vetted with lawyers beforehand and was allowable. The Republicans argued that, because Obama did not campaign during the quick journey to Hawaii, it should not have been a campaign expense.

But filing the complaint today now seems to have been ill-advised, if not legally, then certainly politically.

Obama and his sister released a statement this afternoon announcing that their grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, died peacefully after a battle with cancer.
Stepped in that one, didn't they?


This makes them look pretty scummy doesn't it. What pettiness. They file this when? About week or two weeks later as an after thought. And then she dies. Any person with any brains would have said to leave it alone. Now the GOP look even more heartless and petty. She was dying for crying out loud, who the F-ing cares how Obama travels to see her.

Anyway my sympathy's go to Sen. Obama and his family.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/
California GOP Files FEC Complaint Over Obama Visit to Grandmother

By Matthew Mosk
Perhaps the most ill-timed press release of the 2008 campaign arrived shortly after 1:30 p.m. today, sent by the Republican National Committee.

The release forwarded word that the California Republican Party filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission, in part because of a visit Sen. Barack Obama made to his dying grandmother.

"Obama for America violated federal law by converting its campaign funds to Senator Obama's personal use," the release stated. "Senator Obama recently traveled to Hawaii to visit his sick grandmother. This was the right thing for any grandson to do -- at his own expense -- but it was not travel that his campaign may fund."

At issue was whether the trip should have been paid for with campaign funds, based on the law that forbids candidates from using such funds to pay for personal travel. The Obama campaign said the trip had been vetted with lawyers beforehand and was allowable. The Republicans argued that, because Obama did not campaign during the quick journey to Hawaii, it should not have been a campaign expense.

But filing the complaint today now seems to have been ill-advised, if not legally, then certainly politically.

Obama and his sister released a statement this afternoon announcing that their grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, died peacefully after a battle with cancer.
Stepped in that one, didn't they?

they are technically right. You don't use campaign funds for personal travel. really would be the same if he has used the campaign funds for a hunting trip or yachting across the Caribbean.
Id argue for an exception if Obama was short on personal funds for this travel given it is a dieing grand mother, but I really don't see Obama as broke.

they are technically right. You don't use campaign funds for personal travel. really would be the same if he has used the campaign funds for a hunting trip or yachting across the Caribbean.
Id argue for an exception if Obama was short on personal funds for this travel given it is a dieing grand mother, but I really don't see Obama as broke.

They are right and you're right. But... it's down right pettiness. You're going to slap someone on the wrist for visiting a dying reation? Have they no respect? (obviously not.) The thing is this is petty politics at it's worse. Everyone knew she was dying. You afford a small degree of leniancy in situations like this. If Obama pays back the campagine, that's fine and alright. But he was still campaging for a little while as it was when he took the brake to see her. Yes, he should front the costs for this personal stop. But to nag on something like this shows the pathetic nature of the GOP.

they are technically right. You don't use campaign funds for personal travel. really would be the same if he has used the campaign funds for a hunting trip or yachting across the Caribbean.

Or designer clothing?

I'm happy that the candidate that's going to beat me isn't going to be able to enjoy beating me that much.

I try not to flame in memorial threads as a matter of respect, but damn it if you don't deserve it.

This makes them look pretty scummy doesn't it. What pettiness. They file this when? About week or two weeks later as an after thought. And then she dies. Any person with any brains would have said to leave it alone. Now the GOP look even more heartless and petty. She was dying for crying out loud, who the F-ing cares how Obama travels to see her.

Anyway my sympathy's go to Sen. Obama and his family.

The California Republican Party is extremely nutty and a bunch of fucktards, basically. The party is actually run mainly by extremists who mostly have a bit of a disconnect with reality. The governor, who is a moderate, is definitely the exception, not the rule.

I try not to flame in memorial threads as a matter of respect, but damn it if you don't deserve it.

I flamed him quite a bit. So you guys don't have to.

I expect I will be banned rather shortly, as soon as the mods come across my post.

They are right and you're right. But... it's down right pettiness. You're going to slap someone on the wrist for visiting a dying reation? Have they no respect? (obviously not.) The thing is this is petty politics at it's worse. Everyone knew she was dying. You afford a small degree of leniancy in situations like this. If Obama pays back the campagine, that's fine and alright. But he was still campaging for a little while as it was when he took the brake to see her. Yes, he should front the costs for this personal stop. But to nag on something like this shows the pathetic nature of the GOP.

They have no decency. You'd have to be totally callous to complain about him doing such. I'm sure he will pay the money back. I for one, donated to his campaign, and I have no problem with the funds being used to visit a dying relative.

I flamed him quite a bit. So you guys don't have to.

I expect I will be banned rather shortly, as soon as the mods come across my post.

I saw his post earlier. He disgusted me so much, I put him on ignore. He's not worth being banned over Callisdrun. So breath and relax.

He disgusts me too, but calm down. Their's no point getting yourself banned or something for his sake.

I am calm. I am prepared to face the consequences of my words.

I said what I thought needed to be said. And now nobody else needs to say it.

Or designer clothing?

yes. its why i don't like Mccain or Palin either.

They have no decency. You'd have to be totally callous to complain about him doing such. I'm sure he will pay the money back. I for one, donated to his campaign, and I have no problem with the funds being used to visit a dying relative.

How hard would it have been to pay for the ticket with his own credit card ? I am a college student and even I have enough credit to do that.
I mean what happens when executives start borrowing money from corporations that they plan to "pay back" ? He is after all running for the office of president and should set the example of straight and narrow.

How hard would it have been to pay for the ticket with his own credit card ? I am a college student and even I have enough credit to do that.
I mean what happens when executives start borrowing money from corporations that they plan to "pay back" ? He is after all running for the office of president and should set the example of straight and narrow.

I would make an exception for visiting a close relative who is dying of cancer. I don't know why he used campaign money to do it, besides that he has a ton leftover I'm guessing, but I don't really fault him.

Why? Because if I were in that situation, asked whether visiting my dying family member was more important than campaign rules, I would say yes, visiting them damn well is more important.

My opinion, of course, is biased, as my father died of cancer.

I would make an exception for visiting a close relative who is dying of cancer. I don't know why he used campaign money to do it, besides that he has a ton leftover I'm guessing, but I don't really fault him.

Why? Because if I were in that situation, asked whether visiting my dying family member was more important than campaign rules, I would say yes, visiting them damn well is more important.

My opinion, of course, is biased, as my father died of cancer.

If he was short on money/credit I would forgive it in a heartbeat, but he needs to say it. He needs to say hey i was short on money and my credit cards were tapped out and I needed to see my grandma. Its believable in a campaign to be short on money. but I cant hand out forgiveness and an exception to policy without an explanation.

If he was short on money/credit I would forgive it in a heartbeat, but he needs to say it. He needs to say hey i was short on money and my credit cards were tapped out and I needed to see my grandma. Its believable in a campaign to be short on money. but I cant hand out forgiveness and an exception to policy without an explanation.

That he was visiting his grandmother, who was dying of cancer, is all the explanation I need. Probably because of my particular biases.

That he was visiting his grandmother, who was dying of cancer, is all the explanation I need. Probably because of my particular biases.

i am more concerned why he used federally regulated money as opposed to his personal money.

i am more concerned why he used federally regulated money as opposed to his personal money.

Because it was there ?
If Palin can get her clithood pierced with campaign money, he can travel to his dying grandma.

Of course, he should pay it back.

i am more concerned why he used federally regulated money as opposed to his personal money.

And I don't think it's all that important, given the circumstances. That is where we differ. My opinion would be different if he used it to buy a mansion.

Because it was there ?
If Palin can get her clithood pierced with campaign money,
...

....

.........

wat?

You are joking, by means of exaggeration, right?

he can travel to his dying grandma.
Agreed

Of course, he should pay it back.

And agreed.

Because it was there ?
If Palin can get her clithood pierced with campaign money, he can travel to his dying grandma.

Of course, he should pay it back.

And so was his money, campaign money is not to be used as an interest free loan. whats so hard about buying the tickets with his own credit card.

You are joking, by means of exaggeration, right?

No, I am using the Republican style of campaigning ;) Start a rumour and watch it grow.

No, I am using the Republican style of campaigning ;) Start a rumour and watch it grow.

O i see. Forget I said anything then, carry on.

And I don't think it's all that important, given the circumstances. That is where we differ. My opinion would be different if he used it to buy a mansion.

Obama was not the only person with a dying grandmother. Just because he is running for president of the United states does not make him special and exempt from the laws. So until such time as he opens his campaign money to cover the travel expenses of every person in the US with a relative dying of cancer, or states his personal fiances were stretched thin I do not consider this to be acceptable behavior form someone who is supposed to be setting an example.

Because it was there ?
If Palin can get her clithood pierced with campaign money,
that's protected by Roe Vs Wade.

Obama was not the only person with a dying grandmother. Just because he is running for president of the United states does not make him special and exempt from the laws. So until such time as he opens his campaign money to cover the travel expenses of every person in the US with a relative dying of cancer, or states his personal fiances were stretched thin I do not consider this to be acceptable behavior form someone who is supposed to be setting an example.

Agreed, Greed. But... you have to consider that it may also be a matter of his security that prompted him to use the Campagine plane. If he had to use a private plane, then it would take tax payers dollars to make sure that the plane he used was safe and secure. True, Obama is not President yet. But I watched a show on Air Force One once, and all the security they use is alarming.

The use of the campagne plane was probably more out of a use that it was already a secure and readily avaliable plane. As for the costs and paying for them, well thats up to Obama to make that move. But I am not holding a grudge on it

that's protected by Roe Vs Wade.

Lol, but no it isn't.

Lol, but no it isn't.

apparently the ruling just said woman's body.

Agreed, Greed. But... you have to consider that it may also be a matter of his security that prompted him to use the Campagine plane. If he had to use a private plane, then it would take tax payers dollars to make sure that the plane he used was safe and secure. True, Obama is not President yet. But I watched a show on Air Force One once, and all the security they use is alarming.

The use of the campagne plane was probably more out of a use that it was already a secure and readily avaliable plane. As for the costs and paying for them, well thats up to Obama to make that move. But I am not holding a grudge on it

He can state that as well. All I want is a reason. If it is logical and makes sense then I could care less. And to be perfectly honest he should have stated the reason as he got on the plane. But thats less of an issue since dying relative normally is distracting about what to say to the media.

apparently the ruling just said woman's body.

Certainly she has a right to get a clit piercing. But using campaign funds for such no. Unless you agree that Obama has a right to use icampaign funds to fly to Hawaii.

Certainly she has a right to get a clit piercing. But using campaign funds for such no. Unless you agree that Obama has a right to use icampaign funds to fly to Hawaii.

lets end this. The image of Palin with a clit piercing is starting to disturbed me.
Alas now i don't think i can have sex with a pierced chick again.

He can state that as well. All I want is a reason. If it is logical and makes sense then I could care less. And to be perfectly honest he should have stated the reason as he got on the plane. But thats less of an issue since dying relative normally is distracting about what to say to the media.

A good enough reason being....his grandmother is dying and I forgot all reason and logic to what I was doing. *shrugs* I think most people would if it was a beloved relative and relation. *sighs* Grief and sorrow doesn't have much of a rational complex, it just happens.

My sympathies goes out to Obama and his family.

She didn't even live to see whether Obama would win or not. :(

A good enough reason being....his grandmother is dying and I forgot all reason and logic to what I was doing. *shrugs* I think most people would if it was a beloved relative and relation. *sighs* Grief and sorrow doesn't have much of a rational complex, it just happens.

Most Teens might. most late 20's and older should not. This is likely not his first relative to have passed on.
More over Ive seen soldiers get busted and lose rank because they used their government credit card during emergency leave.

lets end this. The image of Palin with a clit piercing is starting to disturbed me.
Alas now i don't think i can have sex with a pierced chick again.

You've had sex with a pierced woman? An experience I will not have in the foreseeable future, as my ladyfriend seems to be very much against piercings besides ear piercings, and she doesn't even have the latter. Oh well.

If you want to see some more disturbing images, look up Palin on Encyclopedia Dramatica. Posting links to there is very forbidden, unfortunately, and I've already said enough on this thread that I'll be lucky not to be banned.

You've had sex with a pierced woman? An experience I will not have in the foreseeable future, as my ladyfriend seems to be very much against piercings besides ear piercings, and she doesn't even have the latter. Oh well.

If you want to see some more disturbing images, look up Palin on Encyclopedia Dramatica. Posting links to there is very forbidden, unfortunately, and I've already said enough on this thread that I'll be lucky not to be banned.

lol yeah. I also used to have a 5 step Jacobs ladder(5 piercings on my dick). I took them out when i went back to korea and I was worried the less experienced (open minded) korean girls might be put off by it.

Edit Note.
*becoming more disturbed as I am talking about my wang in a thread about some dudes dead grandma*

lol yeah. I also used to have a 5 step Jacobs ladder(5 piercings on my dick). I took them out when i went back to korea and I was worried the less experienced (open minded) korean girls might be put off by it.

Lol, that's funny.

Not really the thread for this discussion though.

Most Teens might. most late 20's and older should not. This is likely not his first relative to have passed on.
More over Ive seen soldiers get busted and lose rank because they used their government credit card during emergency leave.

True enough. But from what I've read, his grandmother practically raised him. Obviously they had a close relationship, so it's really hard to say how he has taken it. I am willing to admit that Obama made a gaff on this. It is a gaff, a minor one, but a gaff. But it's a more of an excusable gaff on the account that it's a love one who's dying.

Lol, that's funny.

I was in the army and i couldn't have any visible piercings so i got the one place they wouldn't check.

I was in the army and i couldn't have any visible piercings so i got the one place they wouldn't check.

True.

You're not allowed to have visible piercings in the army?

True enough. But from what I've read, his grandmother practically raised him. Obviously they had a close relationship, so it's really hard to say how he has taken it. I am willing to admit that Obama made a gaff on this. It is a gaff, a minor one, but a gaff. But it's a more of an excusable gaff on the account that it's a love one who's dying.

its excusable after he issues an explanation. if he said emotion over took him that would be fine as well. what disturbs me is when someone makes a gaff and rolls on like nothing happened. To do so is just plain Bushian.

True.

You're not allowed to have visible piercings in the army?

not as a male no. females can have ear piercings and nothing else.
males can have none whats so ever.

Oh please, as if the US doesn't control this entirely pitiful country like a puppet.

I quite disagree.

It's China that controls Australia like a pitiful little puppet.

"This was the right thing for any grandson to do -- at his own expense -- but it was not travel that his campaign may fund..."
My guess is that Secret Service rules require him to travel in private aircraft at this point,...
If both available options are bad, there's always a worse one.

To spare the expense, they could send his grandmother to him by coach - or even wait a little longer and ship her on a cargo flight.

Conspiracy time children:
Interesting how Obama's grand mother died so close to election
I'm willing to bet that people will vote for him now out of sympathy
The Democratic party could have had her killed so to secure sympathy votes for Obama



Or maybe she just died of natural causes, who knows, both make sense

Conspiracy time children:
Interesting how Obama's grand mother died so close to election
I'm willing to bet that people will vote for him now out of sympathy
The Democratic party could have had her killed so to secure sympathy votes for Obama



Or maybe she just died of natural causes, who knows, both make sense

It's probably the cancer she has had for years.. Ya'know, slowly killing her and stuff.

The 'Democratic party' killing her makes no sense at all. None.

Conspiracy time children:
Interesting how Obama's grand mother died so close to election
I'm willing to bet that people will vote for him now out of sympathy
The Democratic party could have had her killed so to secure sympathy votes for Obama

Obama never had a grandmother. He's an Arab, and they are all grown in Osama's secret vats.

Plus, if he's an Arab, then his grandmother was an Arab too, and why would an Arab leave outside Arabia? That's suspicious - they were in such a hurry they forgot this detail. Or couldn't secure a flight to Arabia.

So they just found a dying woman in a convenient place, forged some documents for her, and claimed she was Obama's grandmother.

Deepest sympathies to Obama and his family.

It came at a terrible time for him too

I feel so sorry for Obama. To have this occur, on the eve of what will probably be the most important day in his life...

My sympathies go out to the Obama family.

It's probably the cancer she has had for years.. Ya'know, slowly killing her and stuff.

The 'Democratic party' killing her makes no sense at all. None.

Don't you watch the X-Files?
It's obviously an alien virus designed to look like cancer

I have a question, regarding whether he should have used campaign funds or not - does anyone who has donated to his campaign actually care that he used their donations in this manner? Can anyone really say they want him to refund the campaign because of this?

Personally, if I were a US citizen, I would have donated to his campaign to make up for the trip.

Don't you watch the X-Files?
It's obviously an alien virus designed to look like cancer

I hate that program so much. Annoying as fuck.

I have a question, regarding whether he should have used campaign funds or not - does anyone who has donated to his campaign actually care that he used their donations in this manner? Can anyone really say they want him to refund the campaign because of this?

Personally, if I were a US citizen, I would have donated to his campaign to make up for the trip.

Hmm, true. If anything I would probably feel more compelled to contribute because of this.. Sympathy and all that.

I have a question, regarding whether he should have used campaign funds or not - does anyone who has donated to his campaign actually care that he used their donations in this manner? Can anyone really say they want him to refund the campaign because of this?

Personally, if I were a US citizen, I would have donated to his campaign to make up for the trip.


It really doesn't matter to me. The truth is.... unless you're a crazy Red Republican, the thing that resonates is.

His grandmother has died. He went and saw her before she passed. The Republicans have just painted themselves another shade of puce colored vomit, and become even darker villians only because the message resonates: Shame on picking on a man who has lost his grandmother.