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more importantly if someone close to you told you that, how would you react? I ask because with previous threads on how we view suicide most on here said they believe it is the right of everyone to take their own life if they deem it necessary. Does this view change if it's someone you care about? Would you try to stop them or talk them out of it?

Depends on the situation.

If my grandmother is dying of a painful, degenerative disease that cant be cured, Im not going to object to her decision to end her pain.

If my friend just decides he wants to kill himself because hes depressed or he got dumped, he is clearly not mentally stable and I would get him/her to seek help.

Reasons and state of mind are important.

more importantly if someone close to you told you that, how would you react? I ask because with previous threads on how we view suicide most on here said they believe it is the right of everyone to take their own life if they deem it necessary. Does this view change if it's someone you care about? Would you try to stop them or talk them out of it?I'd tell the nearest authority figure. That's it. The same that I would do for anyone else. Suicide, while being a right a person always has, is what I believe to be a failure of your responsibility to others*.
*That's my personal belief. Even if that's not acceptable to others.

Try to prevent it, of course ... 'right to take your own life' aside, even if you deem it necessary, I suspect your state of mind wouldn't be sound when you make that judgment.

Depends on the situation.

If my grandmother is dying of a painful, degenerative disease that cant be cured, Im not going to object to her decision to end her pain.

If my friend just decides he wants to kill himself because hes depressed or he got dumped, he is clearly not mentally stable and I would get him/her to seek help.

Reasons and state of mind are important.

This.

Depends on the situation.

If my grandmother is dying of a painful, degenerative disease that cant be cured, Im not going to object to her decision to end her pain.

If my friend just decides he wants to kill himself because hes depressed or he got dumped, he is clearly not mentally stable and I would get him/her to seek help.

Reasons and state of mind are important.

This as well.

more importantly if someone close to you told you that, how would you react? I ask because with previous threads on how we view suicide most on here said they believe it is the right of everyone to take their own life if they deem it necessary. Does this view change if it's someone you care about? Would you try to stop them or talk them out of it?

It is their right. But it's not one I want them to exercise.

I would try to talk them out of it and get them to more capable help.

As others have said, this also depends a bit on the situation. My friend being depressed and wanting to kill him/herself is a different situation than someone who faces an agonizing death from an incurable disease.

more importantly if someone close to you told you that, how would you react? I ask because with previous threads on how we view suicide most on here said they believe it is the right of everyone to take their own life if they deem it necessary. Does this view change if it's someone you care about? Would you try to stop them or talk them out of it?

I'd do what I did the last time a friend put me in that situation.

Talk to them. listen to them, find out what their problem is and see if I can convince them to find another solution.

If someone close to me told me they were going to kill themselves I would stop them at all cost. Death is not a joke and even if someone is in pain death won't stop it. If you are in enough pain to want to die then your going to probably die soon so you should probably enjoy the little time you have and don't give me that B.S. that death will solve it. Suicide is not any less painful of a death then heart failure. While physically it might be easier, if done right, the mental pain of dying is always there.

If one of my friends or family was just going through hard times then of course I would still stop them.

In both cases the person in question may not full understand what they are asking for and so are just choosing death when there are better solutions.

Plus if I care about someone enough to care about their life then their death (especially if caused by their own hand) will have a serious affect on my metal health. Even possibly to the point of me thinking of killing myself and I personally did not want to die by a bullet from a cheap gun, that has not been cleaned for several years, at point blank range, but misses the vital organ I hoped to hit. This results in me being on the floor crying at my own stupidity; begging for my mother to save me, but wait! She swallowed a bottle of pills two weeks ago so she can't help me!

Oh joy! :p

I'm probably not the best person to help with this sort of thing. My opinions on those who commit suicide (excluding those cases involving painful terminal illness, etc) borders on the far side of pity, mixed with helpings of scorn for their selfishness in regards to the lives they will hurt with their passing in such a way, the ease with which they've surrendered to hopelessness, and their eagerness to throw away what precious little time on earth they already have. If someone said to me "Friend, I want to kill myself." I'd probably answer with "No, you don't. Come on, I'm taking you bowling."

"No, you don't. Come on, I'm taking you bowling."

If that doesn't fix their problems then suicide won't even get close.

I'd tell someone in a position of authority.

I'd kill them.






























And consume their flesh.

What?

more importantly if someone close to you told you that, how would you react? I ask because with previous threads on how we view suicide most on here said they believe it is the right of everyone to take their own life if they deem it necessary. Does this view change if it's someone you care about? Would you try to stop them or talk them out of it?

I would call you an attention seeking asshole, because clearly you know nothing about people who suffer from real mental illness.

It really depends on the person. A good start is to ask 'em why, followed by a lot of listening, with interaction, because most people who decide that drastic step are in the zone of "Nobody is listening to ME!!!".

There may be real problems that can be really solvable problems, or there might just be some problems what can't be solved.

Then again, I've also had thoughts about what kind of rorschach blot I could make on the wall using a twelve guage and my own skull-contents. What stops us is what we care about-and who cares for us. when who cares stops mattering, then it ain't going to stop the act.

But getting them to just TALK is usually a good step to stopping someone from sucking a shotgun. Informing the Authorities is kind of a last-pre-mortem effort, because it can destroy what little faith the subject has in you as a friend.

As a person who nearly committed suicide before...

I'd do my damnedest to talk them out of it. I have prevented one or two people I know from trying it, one of them is like a sister to me now.

I would neither assist (with certain exceptions), nor would I hinder, someones suicide. Although I think suicide is wrong, forcing someone to live against their will is even more wrong.

I'd find a rope for them and I would show them how to tie it around thier neck so that they could jump in a hanging suicide.

Meh one less Socialist.

It's fucking bullshit.

People may say that it is their right to end their life, but what about all the people that do love them? What about their family, their friends? What bout the paramedics, the police and every other person who is in someway affected? Most of the people that threaten to commit suicide are merely trying to get attention, and yes I have dealt with suicidal friends before. They feel that for some reason the world is against them. Yes, there are jerks out there that take some sick pleasure making others miserable. These are the people that deserve to be the ones hanging themselves.

Suicide, I believe is the single most selfish thing anyone can do.

I would call you an attention seeking asshole, because clearly you know nothing about people who suffer from real mental illness.

I call you a mental illness elitist who thinks he knows the business of complete strangers. I'd then call you a socialy retarded fool who thinks he's the greatest but is actually hated by all.

I'd call you the biggest attention whore in this thread. I'd say OP has just as much right to begin a discussion about mental illness as your arrogant ass.

Depending on the person or situation, there are some people I would go all out to save. I already have stopped on person killing himself in my life, a bullied kid at school who was about to jump out of the top floor window. As a bully victim myself, I simply noted that I got it 10 times worse than him, and I kept going.

The poor kid broke down into tears, and I was there for like 10 minutes, he was blubbing in my arms. I took him to see the school councilor, and got him help. As I walked away, I felt rather down knowing that some people are not as strong as I. The good news is he improved, got all his GCSE's and last I herd, he's working in the IT industry. That little fact made me smile. Because if I were not there, his tale may have ended out of that window.

. . . a mental illness elitist . . .
This is a phrase which I have never seen before and suspect I will never encounter again. I thank you for a most unique experience, Mr. Obama.

Those who do don't say while those who say don't do.
There may be exceptions to that - close friends and family may undurden themselves of their plans to you. Hoewever, I'm wary of professional attention-seekers.
My grandad was one who told me he was going to - and did. After listening to his reasons (He was 83 and beginning to deteriorate physically) I told him, "It's a lucky man who knows when he is going to die.)
A week later, he ran a bath for himself in the middle of the night, got in it, then stopped his heart. (He'd always been impressed by how Tibetan monks could do that.)
He wanted to die and did.
I still miss him.

more importantly if someone close to you told you that, how would you react?
Explain pros and cons of different ways to do it, talk about pros and cons of doing it. Offer to study the methods more and talk tomorrow. Talk tomorrow.

That tends to have a chilling effect. Most times, one would change their mind after REALLY understanding what they're doing. If they still don't, well - the right to life implies the right to end it. So I'll consider that I've done what I had to, and helped to select the desired level of pain, duration, and consciousness level for meeting death.




Of course it can be different if it's my friend, or if I know the reason is so strong that no "talk tomorrow" is needed, or so weak that it will disappear soon.

I would try to persuade them not to do it. I mean, this is a loved one. Ultimately, the decision, as much as it may hurt, falls on the loved one as to wether he/she wants to commit suicide. But of course I would try to persuade them not to.

If a loved one killed themselves, I would be very hurt. I think I would feel responsible if I did not try to talk them out of it.

more importantly if someone close to you told you that, how would you react? I ask because with previous threads on how we view suicide most on here said they believe it is the right of everyone to take their own life if they deem it necessary. Does this view change if it's someone you care about? Would you try to stop them or talk them out of it?

I can't speak for others, but while I do believe it is ultimately the right of the person involved to make the decision, it's always a BAD decision and should never actually be done.

So I would try to talk anyone out of it, not just loved ones.

Would you try to stop them or talk them out of it?

Most suicides are the result of psychological health problems, not acts of people in their right minds. If a friend of mine was suicidal, I would try to get him or her to seek help.

If it were otherwise--if I had some solid reasons to believe that it was a rational decision made with clarity of thought--I would accept his or her decision. It is my friend's life, not mine, and for me to selfishly attempt to hold on to it against his or her will would be unworthy of friendship and unworthy of the respect human beings owe one another.

Since I have a teaching license I am a sworn informant (or an obligated rat, if you prefer). So if anyone tells me they're considering suicide, by law, I have to inform someone with the power to prevent such a thing. Since I don't teach in a secondary school, I don't know if that law applies to be right now, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.

I'd tell someone in a position of authority.

Seems like the mods get tagged as "someone in a position of authority" whenever this discussion starts up on NSG. Here's a little secret: we're no better at this than you are.

I can assure you as a moderator on an internet site where the participants are hidden behind an anonymous screen name that there's fuck-all we can do. While we can see IP addresses and can use WHOIS to narrow that to perhaps a country or a region, there's no way in hell we can tie a screen name to a real name and address. We can pretend we're internet therapists and give soothing advice, but so can the rest of you. It's not a panacea.

There's no substitute for in-person intervention. Many of you know the real person behind the names in NSG, and it's going to be up to you to take the authority on yourself. It may be a case of calling some sort of service agency in their town, or seeking out family members, or doing something else on a local level.

Don't depend on "someone in a position of authority". Become that someone, or accept that you're powerless. Don't expect to be able to hand off moral authority and wash your hands of the situation. The world doesn't work that way.

i would ask them two questions:

1) why are you telling ME?

and

2) what do expect to gain by doing so?

in some instances, maybe that is what they think would be the best thing they could do for the rest of us. of course getting themselves a conscience might actually be more useful, but an awful lot of people can't seem to figure that one out either.

i would ask them two questions:

1) why are you telling ME? Because they want attention.



2) what do expect to gain by doing so?Attention.

in some instances, maybe that is what they think would be the best thing they could do for the rest of us. of course getting themselves a conscience might actually be more useful, but an awful lot of people can't seem to figure that one out either.

I was suicidal for a number of years, had it all planned out. Sure as fuck didn't tell anyone. People moaning how they're going to off themselves are after attention, real suicidals just fucking do it. My brother has had a couple of "attempts". Downing a bottle of tylenol, cutting himself, stupid shit like that. If he wanted to die there are a dozen ways to off yourself with no major planning and little chance of survival.

People moaning how they're going to off themselves are after attention, real suicidals just fucking do it.

Nonsense. I don't know anything about your case, but the evidence we have is that people who commit suicide almost always tell someone beforehand.

I'm of the belief that if someone of sound mind accepts the consequences - ie: one who is suffering in pain and wants to end their life while they are still in control - then it is strictly their business. I wouldn't want someone to tell me I can or cannot take my own life on my own terms. Just as someone else wouldn't want me to interfere.

Of course, if it was someone I cared for and they were obviously not of sound mind, I would talk to them and ask if this was truly the right thing. It wouldn't work to say not to. I'd question their motives; make them explain why. By having them examine their reasons, I'd hope to convince them that it wouldn't be worth it. People need to look within themselves sometimes. Saying that there are people who love and care about them is an old and worn cliché; there needs to be better reason to stop someone and questioning them may be one way.

Nonsense. I don't know anything about your case, but the evidence we have is that people who commit suicide almost always tell someone beforehand.

Not always, Soheran. Some people just go on and do it and no one was aware, in the silghtest, that they were intending to take their life.

Not always, Soheran.

Hence "almost."

I'd suggest that the reflexive tendency to accuse people who say they're considering it of merely being "attention-seekers" is likely to bring that percentage down, not up. Which is a bad thing however you cut it.

Hence "almost."

I'd suggest that the reflexive tendency to accuse people who say they're considering it of merely being "attention-seekers" is likely to bring that percentage down, not up. Which is a bad thing however you cut it.

Yes, because less people will be likely to tell if they have an intention of taking their own lives.

I would call you an attention seeking asshole, because clearly you know nothing about people who suffer from real mental illness.

Mental illness?

Why do you assume anybody who talks about killing himself has a mental ilness?

more importantly if someone close to you told you that, how would you react? I ask because with previous threads on how we view suicide most on here said they believe it is the right of everyone to take their own life if they deem it necessary.

I'd be shocked, and do everything I can to convince you not to.

Because they want attention.


Attention.


I was suicidal for a number of years, had it all planned out. Sure as fuck didn't tell anyone. People moaning how they're going to off themselves are after attention, real suicidals just fucking do it. My brother has had a couple of "attempts". Downing a bottle of tylenol, cutting himself, stupid shit like that. If he wanted to die there are a dozen ways to off yourself with no major planning and little chance of survival.

yes, absolutely. by asking them i'm asking them to ask themselves.

if they still think they'd be happier not living, i consider that their concern, no bussiness of mine.

hell, if i wanted offed, i'd just go someplace where people get offed for mouthing off like i always do online, and do so in real life.

that way i'd either end up dead, or some kind of a damd bloody charismatic hero. wouldn't that be the trip. of course then i'd still get offed, the more friends numerically, the more determined enimies that seems to generate.

but gnaw, big deals aren't my thing, then again, well the greatest people in history, some of them insisted it wasn't theirs either, but they sure played their cards pretty damd clever for it not being. more so then i have confidence in doing either for that matter.

its a big world. life goes on. some kill themselves. some learn to lie to themselves a little less, and exercise a real conscience a little more. some, or so i seem to have observed in several contexts in my own life, for whatever reason, don't vissibly appear to.

my father went off his medication and did things he knew would accellerate his condition, i'm pretty sure he did this intentionally, for various reasons having to do with his ego. but he did have a lot of conflicting medical conditions too.

Mental illness?

Why do you assume anybody who talks about killing himself has a mental ilness?

Speaking from experience if you're plotting to kill yourself you're probably not mentally balanced. Let's face it, there are two options really when it's over. Either there's an empty void of non-existence, or there's hell for suicide if you're Christian. Not really two appealing prospects.

well i wouldnt be happy if a mate killed himself, id prolly ask him why he`d want to do that and convince him its not really neccesary otherwise get someone in authority

Speaking from experience if you're plotting to kill yourself you're probably not mentally balanced. Let's face it, there are two options really when it's over. Either there's an empty void of non-existence, or there's hell for suicide if you're Christian. Not really two appealing prospects.

A lot of people are unbalanced, there's no denying it.

But history knows plenty talented, sane people who commited suicide for some reason or another.

If something horrendously wrong happened with my life that had no repair to it, I may consider suicide in that case. That doesn't make me mentally ill.

I would tell you that under no circumstances should you use over-the-counter drugs or painkillers in the attempt. There's far too much left to chance and drinking charcoal is a horrible punishment for failure.

I'd give them some kind of very patronising rubbish which they would probably see right through and jump.

Speaking from experience if you're plotting to kill yourself you're probably not mentally balanced.

Just because I'm a paranoid schizophrenic doesn't mean the voices in my head aren't plotting to kill myself.

I would tell you that under no circumstances should you use over-the-counter drugs or painkillers in the attempt. There's far too much left to chance and drinking charcoal is a horrible punishment for failure.

that's...um...that's one way to do it sure.

It's fucking bullshit.

People may say that it is their right to end their life, but what about all the people that do love them? What about their family, their friends? What bout the paramedics, the police and every other person who is in someway affected? Most of the people that threaten to commit suicide are merely trying to get attention, and yes I have dealt with suicidal friends before. They feel that for some reason the world is against them. Yes, there are jerks out there that take some sick pleasure making others miserable. These are the people that deserve to be the ones hanging themselves.

Suicide, I believe is the single most selfish thing anyone can do.

What about the people who willingly put themselves into situations that have high probability of killing them just because they want to feel a high. But they don't really want to die. Imagine if someone like this actually died. This person was aware of the high probability of death in whatever he/she was doing and despite that was still doing it. He considered his high more important than whatever depression his loved ones could possibly feel because of his death. Doesn't this kind of recklesness seem a bit selfish? Technically this kind of death could not be called a suicide, suicidal maybe.

But that whole business is beside the point. I mean the thinking present in your post seems to me about the most hypocritical bullshit anyone can come up with. And it really boggles the mind how many people actually think that way.

Let's take an example suicider, lets call him Joe. Joe the plumber for instance. I don't care for Joes particular reasons for considering suicide a reasonable options. It might be the commie taxes Obama will most likely impose on him or whatever. Now Joe has clearly somehow weighted the good and the bad in his life and come up with the bad outweighing the good by a large margin i.e. Obama winning by a large margin. Now Joe is a real man and doesn't want to seek attention or sound all whiny and emo, so Joe does not talk about it with anyone. One fatefull night Joe finally kills himself, joins the choir invisible, starts pushing the daisies, kicks the bucket, you know all that shait. So the people around him; his family, his friends, his mistress, his whore etc. feel somehow bad about themselves and get all depressed. Mainly because Joe wasn't all that down with this sanctity of (human) life idiocy that these people believe in.

Now you seem to be of the opinion that Joe was an asshole who did the most selfish thing a human can do by killing himself. I've got to disagree. I can understand that Joe hurt these people by his actions either wittingly or unwittingly. It might have even been intentional or unintetional. Most likely Joe was under the impression that none of these people actually cared that much. I can see where Joe is coming from. These people, these loved ones, didn't seem to care enough to actually find out how Joe was doing all this time. Their incapability to show affection to Joe or Joes incapability to see that affection is one of the main problems here. I think those both combined are a huge issue here. Can you see the hypocrisy here? Can you see why stating absolutes such as "Suicide, I believe is the single most selfish thing anyone can do." seems a bit idiotic?

Even if Joe had talked about his plans of suicide, some of those loved ones would offer such gems of wisdom as "Suicide is the most selfish thing anyone can do" or "Stop seeking attention you emo fag". All this could end up with a Joe who goes by his life everyday hoping to die a natural death because he can't bear the burden of hurting his loved ones or appearing as "emo fag".

P.S. Sorry about the horrible grammar or spelling mistakes and the implied personal attacks, none of those were intentional.

P.P.S. Sorry about the rant too, that was intentional and it made me feel good.

It's fucking bullshit.

People may say that it is their right to end their life, but what about all the people that do love them? What about their family, their friends? What bout the paramedics, the police and every other person who is in someway affected? Most of the people that threaten to commit suicide are merely trying to get attention, and yes I have dealt with suicidal friends before. They feel that for some reason the world is against them. Yes, there are jerks out there that take some sick pleasure making others miserable. These are the people that deserve to be the ones hanging themselves.

Suicide, I believe is the single most selfish thing anyone can do.

What about the people who willingly put themselves into situations that have high probability of killing them just because they want to feel a high. But they don't really want to die. Imagine if someone like this actually died. This person was aware of the high probability of death in whatever he/she was doing and despite that was still doing it. He considered his high more important than whatever depression his loved ones could possibly feel because of his death. Doesn't this kind of recklesness seem a bit selfish? Technically this kind of death could not be called a suicide, suicidal maybe.

But that whole business is beside the point. I mean the thinking present in your post seems to me about the most hypocritical bullshit anyone can come up with. And it really boggles the mind how many people actually think that way.

Let's take an example suicider, lets call him Joe. Joe the plumber for instance. I don't care for Joes particular reasons for considering suicide a reasonable options. It might be the commie taxes Obama will most likely impose on him or whatever. Now Joe has clearly somehow weighted the good and the bad in his life and come up with the bad outweighing the good by a large margin i.e. Obama winning by a large margin. Now Joe is a real man and doesn't want to seek attention or sound all whiny and emo, so Joe does not talk about it with anyone. One fateful night Joe finally kills himself, joins the choir invisible, starts pushing the daisies, kicks the bucket, you know all that shait. So the people around him; his family, his friends, his mistress, his whore etc. feel somehow bad about themselves and get all depressed. Mainly because Joe wasn't all that down with this sanctity of (human) life idiocy that these people believe in.

Now you seem to be of the opinion that Joe was an asshole who did the most selfish thing a human can do by killing himself. I've got to disagree. I can understand that Joe hurt these people by his actions either wittingly or unwittingly. It might have even been intentional or unintetional. Most likely Joe was under the impression that none of these people actually cared that much. I can see where Joe is coming from. These people, these loved ones, didn't seem to care enough to actually find out how Joe was doing all this time. Their incapability to show affection to Joe or Joes incapability to see that affection is one of the main problems here. I think those both combined are a huge issue here. Can you see the hypocrisy here? Can you see why stating absolutes such as "Suicide, I believe is the single most selfish thing anyone can do." seems a bit idiotic?

Even if Joe had talked about his plans of suicide, some of those loved ones would offer such gems of wisdom as "Suicide is the most selfish thing anyone can do" or "Stop seeking attention you emo fag". All this could end up with a Joe who goes by his life everyday hoping to die a natural death because he can't bear the burden of hurting his loved ones or appearing as "emo fag".

P.S. Sorry about the horrible grammar or spelling mistakes and the implied personal attacks, none of those were intentional.

P.P.S. Sorry about the rant too, that was intentional and it made me feel good.

What about the people who willingly put themselves into situations that have high probability of killing them just because they want to feel a high. But they don't really want to die. Imagine if someone like this actually died...... <snip>

Yeah I'm with you. We have had this out a few weeks back.

Is it selfish, sure it is, you know but so eating your fill and not sending your extra food out to those who need it, or not giving to charity, or living in a nice warm home.

Many things are selfish, the desire to live, selfish, the want or need to have kids, selfish.

So what is he really ranting about here? Does he really belive that he is not selfish himself?

more importantly if someone close to you told you that, how would you react? I ask because with previous threads on how we view suicide most on here said they believe it is the right of everyone to take their own life if they deem it necessary. Does this view change if it's someone you care about? Would you try to stop them or talk them out of it?

Technically speaking, what could I do about it other than report it to a moderator?

I have no idea if anyone's profile is any indication of their real location (or even a location narrow enough for emergency services to be called).

While I wouldn't encourage you to go through with it I certainly can't do much about it, either.

Mental illness?

Why do you assume anybody who talks about killing himself has a mental ilness?

Because more than 90 percent of those that commit suicide have clinical depression, other mental disorders, and/or a substance abuse disorder (and usually a combination of more than one of these).

Suicidal thoughts, tendencies, and attempts are all symptoms of, and highly indicative of, mental illness.

This is not to say that suicide is never a rational option, but the presumption (absent extreme circumstances) should be that someone who is contemplating suicide isn't thinking clearly.

Because more than 90 percent of those that commit suicide have clinical depression, other mental disorders, and/or a substance abuse disorder (and usually a combination of more than one of these).

Suicidal thoughts, tendencies, and attempts are all symptoms of, and highly indicative of, mental illness.

This is not to say that suicide is never a rational option, but the presumption (absent extreme circumstances) should be that someone who is contemplating suicide isn't thinking clearly.

I guess those Spartans were mentally ill, eh?

It's fucking bullshit.

People may say that it is their right to end their life, but what about all the people that do love them? What about their family, their friends? What bout the paramedics, the police and every other person who is in someway affected? Most of the people that threaten to commit suicide are merely trying to get attention, and yes I have dealt with suicidal friends before. They feel that for some reason the world is against them. Yes, there are jerks out there that take some sick pleasure making others miserable. These are the people that deserve to be the ones hanging themselves.

Suicide, I believe is the single most selfish thing anyone can do.

No, wanting someone who is in severe, uncurable pain and is dying a slow death to continue to live it out just so YOU can spend more time with them is much for selfish.

I guess those Spartans were mentally ill, eh?

yeah, because the social dynamics of a 2500 year old warrior culture is really relevant to this discussion.

this (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=L2eR_Mbr7Oc)

I guess those Spartans were mentally ill, eh?
Yes. Fascist and suicidal inclinations, accompanied by delusions of grandeur, resulting from an abusive upbringing. It was an entire culture gone berserk, and everyone of them would be institutionalized or imprisoned were they transplanted to the modern day.

Technically speaking, what could I do about it other than report it to a moderator?Tell him to get a blog?

Tell him to get a blog?

I tell a lot of people that, and they aren't suicidal.

We could demand that he post it on liveleak.

I guess those Spartans were mentally ill, eh?

:rolleyes:

Both your reading comprehension and your ability to make a relevant logical connection between historical events and modern facts seem to be lacking.

:rolleyes:

Both your reading comprehension and your ability to make a relevant logical connection between historical events and modern facts seem to be lacking.

No, that's your problem.

No, that's your problem.

The Towelie defense.


"Hes a towel..."

"Youre a towel."

No, that's your problem.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Same to you with knobs on it. Neener-neener. :p

But, seriously, how is the FACT that more than 90% of those who commit suicide these days have a mental illness and/or substance disorder contradicted or qualified in any way by the heroic actions of people engaged in a war (i.e., extreme circumstances) in 480 B.C.?

Note that I specified that not all suicidal thoughts or actions are irrational, just that the presumption ought to be that they are.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Same to you with knobs on it. Neener-neener. :p

But, seriously, how is the FACT that more than 90% of those who commit suicide these days have a mental illness and/or substance disorder contradicted or qualified in any way by the heroic actions of people engaged in a war (i.e., extreme circumstances) in 480 B.C.?

Note that I specified that not all suicidal thoughts or actions are irrational, just that the presumption ought to be that they are.

So what category would you put a suicide bomber in?

So what category would you put a suicide bomber in?

It would vary from person to person. Some probably have mental illnesses. Some probably really believe that they and their family get 72 virgins in paradise because they did it.

The latter is only a mental illness if we say that the religious are mentally ill. And this would include Christians, because I know that you, DK, would love to classify every Muslim as mentally ill.

So what category would you put a suicide bomber in?

*sigh*

Depends. But who the fuck cares?

Suicide isn't some strange anomaly involving combat or insurrections. Suicide is a major, preventable public health problem. In 2004, it was the eleventh leading cause of death in the U.S., accounting for 32,439 deaths. The overall rate was 10.9 suicide deaths per 100,000 people. An estimated eight to 25 attempted suicides occur per every suicide death. link (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-us-statistics-and-prevention.shtml)

*sigh*

Depends. But who the fuck cares?

Suicide isn't some strange anomaly involving combat or insurrections. Suicide is a major, preventable public health problem. In 2004, it was the eleventh leading cause of death in the U.S., accounting for 32,439 deaths. The overall rate was 10.9 suicide deaths per 100,000 people. An estimated eight to 25 attempted suicides occur per every suicide death. link (http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-us-statistics-and-prevention.shtml)

While you may view it as a tragedy (as may the survivors who knew the person), it is saving the government in the long run.

While you may view it as a tragedy (as may the survivors who knew the person), it is saving the government in the long run.

Cute. Bullshit, but so intentionally obnoxious and inflammatory that it can't help but be cute.

But you may be on to something ... You know, we could save even more money if we just killed the sick, disabled, or injured rather than treating them. Hell, old people are just a drain on the system too.

And don't get us started on minorities ....

Cute. Bullshit, but so intentionally obnoxious and inflammatory that it can't help but be cute.

But you may be on to something ... You know, we could save even more money if we just killed the sick, disabled, or injured rather than treating them. Hell, old people are just a drain on the system too.

And don't get us started on minorities ....

We can also have government subsidized smoking, to sharply reduce the lifespan of people we would otherwise have to pay for in their older years.

Yes. Fascist and suicidal inclinations, accompanied by delusions of grandeur, resulting from an abusive upbringing. It was an entire culture gone berserk, and everyone of them would be institutionalized or imprisoned were they transplanted to the modern day.

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No, that's your problem.

No you!

Honestly, do you want the grown-ups to be called in and ruin the party?

Because they want attention.


Attention.


I was suicidal for a number of years, had it all planned out. Sure as fuck didn't tell anyone. People moaning how they're going to off themselves are after attention, real suicidals just fucking do it. My brother has had a couple of "attempts". Downing a bottle of tylenol, cutting himself, stupid shit like that. If he wanted to die there are a dozen ways to off yourself with no major planning and little chance of survival.

This is contrary to medical consensus that sucidal thoughts, discussion, or actions are likely signs of serious illness AND should always be treated seriously.

Sure someone may attempt suicide to "get attention," but isn't that in and of itself a pretty desperate cry for help?

This is contrary to medical consensus that sucidal thoughts, discussion, or actions are likely signs of serious illness AND should always be treated seriously.

Sure someone may attempt suicide to "get attention," but isn't that in and of itself a pretty desperate cry for help?

The question I have is this - in re: the OP - ok, if I buy your assertion there, what the fuck can I do at this end, other than report it to a mod?

It's not like I have any real evidence that a real person in a location I can definitely describe is in trouble - I can't just pick up the phone and call emergency services on an Internet posting.

what the fuck can I do at this end, other than report it to a mod?

Guess you missed this.

Seems like the mods get tagged as "someone in a position of authority" whenever this discussion starts up on NSG. Here's a little secret: we're no better at this than you are.

I can assure you as a moderator on an internet site where the participants are hidden behind an anonymous screen name that there's fuck-all we can do. While we can see IP addresses and can use WHOIS to narrow that to perhaps a country or a region, there's no way in hell we can tie a screen name to a real name and address. We can pretend we're internet therapists and give soothing advice, but so can the rest of you. It's not a panacea.

No, wanting someone who is in severe, uncurable pain and is dying a slow death to continue to live it out just so YOU can spend more time with them is much for selfish.

sorry, allow me to be more specific:

If the person just thinks they are depressed it is selfish.

if they are honestly going to die, and there is no way out, it is a different story (which I am not touching today)

Well, yeah, it would concern me a bit. I might not take it too seriously at first and kind of look at them like they were just looking for attention. But I'd definitely talk to them about it and possibly try to spend more time with them.

I have a friend who goes from depressive suicidal to depressive psycho killer then reverts to good natured gaming buddy. I've been trying to talk sense into him for a long time. The situations fairly cliched, with a few twists. I wont bore you, suffice to say he was unpopular (due to being ginger and a geek) and has bad social skills. He was also in love with my girlfriend (now ex of recent). It was hard to soothe or placate him, and it was a very stressful time for all of us, since he went from wanting to kill himself, to killing me, to killing her and back to himself, occaisonally going quiet. Since starting college hes changed but hardly for the better. Hes got into multiple vices and is hanging out with some people that arnt a good influence for him, since he is very affectionate (in that he easily makes emotional bonds with almost complete strangers because they show some or any interest in him as a person). He recently completely came out as bi too which we think could have been whats been making him the way he is. Now hes just sort of dissapeared, hardly responding to our attempts to contact him. Last we heard he was with my Exs best friend all the time.

Having someone whos suicidal can be not so simple as "I want to kill myself". At first we did think it was some cry for attention, it may have started out that way, but as he got progressively worse he definately became clearly very depressed. Anyway, we think hes still alive. No better, just into more bad stuff now. Wel thats my story.

I have a friend who goes from depressive suicidal to depressive psycho killer then reverts to good natured gaming buddy. I've been trying to talk sense into him for a long time. The situations fairly cliched, with a few twists. I wont bore you, suffice to say he was unpopular (due to being ginger and a geek) and has bad social skills. He was also in love with my girlfriend (now ex of recent). It was hard to soothe or placate him, and it was a very stressful time for all of us, since he went from wanting to kill himself, to killing me, to killing her and back to himself, occaisonally going quiet. Since starting college hes changed but hardly for the better. Hes got into multiple vices and is hanging out with some people that arnt a good influence for him, since he is very affectionate (in that he easily makes emotional bonds with almost complete strangers because they show some or any interest in him as a person). He recently completely came out as bi too which we think could have been whats been making him the way he is. Now hes just sort of dissapeared, hardly responding to our attempts to contact him. Last we heard he was with my Exs best friend all the time.

Having someone whos suicidal can be not so simple as "I want to kill myself". At first we did think it was some cry for attention, it may have started out that way, but as he got progressively worse he definately became clearly very depressed. Anyway, we think hes still alive. No better, just into more bad stuff now. Wel thats my story.

Ummm... if he actually has a mental disorder such as bipolar, trying to "talk sense into him" isn't going to help. Also, you really can't put bullying down to simply "being a ginger geek". I was pretty and I was bullied all through highschool. Bullying is really hard on people and can cause a lot of problems later in life. But if it is just him crying for attention or being a cry-baby, it's different. Do his parents know about it?

If someone told me they were going to kill themselves, grab a video camera and set up a deck chair.

This will REALLY put them off the idea

Thoes who threaten suicide are less likely to do it. Beware the quite ones who are sad but dont talk about it. They will be the most likely to kill themsleves.

When someone says they will kill themselves its a cry for attention. Speak to them without insulting them and they wont do it. Its easily fixed. Of course you could always say "yeah then go ahead and jump" or grab a video camera but then you are actually liable for that persons stupidity.

If you really want someone to kill themselves and they threaten to do it just tell them to F*** off and walk away. Isolation will be the final legal push