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Barack Obama's campaign to become the first black American President was rocked yesterday, only 72 hours before election day, by the revelation that his aunt is an illegal immigrant in the US.

News about Obama's relative is a chance for the McCain campaign to generate some last-minute negative headlines about Obama. Four years ago Zeituni Onyango, 56, who is mentioned in Obama's personal memoir, was instructed by a court to leave the country after being denied political asylum. However, she now lives in local authority housing in Boston.

Full article here.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/02/us-elections-2008-barack-obama1

Does this spell doom for Obama's ~7% lead?

:eek:

Already been mentioned in the Election thread.
And using this against him would probably increase his lead, not decrease it. Most people are tired of the "ZOMG, HE'S AN EBIL MUZLIM" sh*t. Slinging more mud just means McCain's ship has more dirt to sink with. :p

If I was McCain, I'd start preparing my speech to concess the race to Obama.

If I was McCain, I'd start preparing my speech to concess the race to Obama.
If I were McCain, I'd be really old. Yeah, that's not very funny or origin al, but neither is mentioning Obama's foolish connections. Rev. Wright, anyone?

And?

I think it's a bit random to bring it up. The poor woman was denied assylum four years ago. I can't blame her wanting it. There are others who want it just as bad. The only worse thing was that she made a total donation of about $260 to Obama's campagne. But seriously, if that's the only fault Obama has made, it's a minor one. It's more of a family member wanting to support someone. And there are others who are worse when it comes to the donation thing.

I think the general answer is, "Who really cares?"

its too irrelevant to have an effect on the election.

its too irrelevant to have an effect on the election.Dismissing small problems causes big problems. Not saying that this will actually affect the election, but what you just implied doesn't ring true with me.

I think the general answer is, "Who really cares?"

Namely the same demographics who genuinely believes Obama is an evil Muslim socialist with an angry whitey-hating Christian pastor who'll take their money, guns and Bible and institute Sharia Law all over the United States.

In other words, people who would actually vote for Caribou Barbie.

Dismissing small problems causes big problems. Not saying that this will actually affect the election, but what you just implied doesn't ring true with me.
consider that the weekend before the 2000 election they brought out that george bush had had a drunk driving incident that his dad got squashed.

it was too irrelevant to make a difference so late in the campaign.

Namely the same demographics who genuinely believes Obama is an evil Muslim socialist with an angry whitey-hating Christian pastor who'll take their money, guns and Bible and institute Sharia Law all over the United States.

In other words, people who would actually vote for Caribou Barbie.Ah, those people.

If I was McCain, I'd start preparing my speech to concede the race to Obama.

Fixed, because the word you used was irritating me like an infected hangnail. :tongue:

Namely the same demographics who genuinely believes Obama is an evil Muslim socialist with an angry whitey-hating Christian pastor who'll take their money, guns and Bible and institute Sharia Law all over the United States.

In other words, people who would actually vote for Caribou Barbie.
Obama has some socialistic views on how the government should run what it should stand for and does have an angry Whitey-hating Christian pastor, so atleast some of the things you stated are grounded in reality, which is quite a change from your usual posting style. So for that I applaud you.

consider that the weekend before the 2000 election they brought out that george bush had had a drunk driving incident that his dad got squashed.

it was too irrelevant to make a difference so late in the campaign.Notice the word "implied", please.

Obama has some socialistic views on how the government should run what it should stand for and does have an angry Whitey-hating Christian pastor, so atleast some of the things you stated are grounded in reality, which is quite a change from your usual posting style. So for that I applaud you.

Coming from the author of the "OMG NEWSPEAK" thread as well as countless other farce, this is a rather rich statement.

Obama has some socialistic views on how the government should run what it should stand for and does have an angry Whitey-hating Christian pastor, so atleast some of the things you stated are grounded in reality, which is quite a change from your usual posting style. So for that I applaud you.Please inform me of the church he currently attends.

Coming from the author of the "OMG NEWSPEAK" thread as well as countless other farce, this is a rather rich statement.
Nice dodge there, champ. Ignoring it is still denial.
Please inform me of the church he currently attends.
Ok, ok. He resigned from Trinity Church after is became politically devastating to his Presidential campaign. Excuse me, that changes everything. For God's sake, he's a fucking Politician, what the hell else would you expect him to have done in that position? That doesn't change anything!

It's ridiculous, you know. I mean it's fine to support Obama but you don't have to act like he is incapable of error and that nothing he has ever done was incorrect and the wrong choice.

Nice dodge there, champ. Ignoring it is still denial.

Ok, ok. He resigned from Trinity Church after is became politically devastating to his Presidential campaign. Excuse me, that changes everything. For God's sake, he's a fucking Politician, what the hell else would you expect him to have done in that position? That doesn't change anything!Oh, then please tell me how Obama's former pastor, who's a "whitey-hater", makes Obama a "whitey-hater".

It's ridiculous, you know. I mean it's fine to support Obama but you don't have to act like he is incapable of error and that nothing he has ever done was incorrect and the wrong choice.He's human, he makes mistakes. His mistakes are also blown out of proportion due to the spotlight being placed on him during this election. You'll forgive me if I don't really care if he makes mistakes.

Obama's illegal Aunt thread attracted Atlantian Islands...it's like a bug zapper...

I think I've heard briefly about TAI's reputation.. and thus I would like to remind everyone that we are talking about the potential effects of this news on Obama's candidacy, and not personal attacks against each other please. ;)

Obama's illegal Aunt thread attracted Atlantian Islands...it's like a bug zapper...
She should be deported. She's leaching off the government, living off public money in Boston. We know who she is and where she is so what's the problem?
Oh, then please tell me how Obama's former pastor, who's a "whitey-hater", makes Obama a "whitey-hater".
No. You, instead, please tell me where I said Obama was a Whitey-Hater? Hmm, having trouble finding it? Maybe because I didn't say it.

Reading Comprehension is your friend.

He's human, he makes mistakes. His mistakes are also blown out of proportion due to the spotlight being placed on him during this election. You'll forgive me if I don't really care if he makes mistakes.
Having a family friend, spiritual advisor and attending the church for 20 years of a anti-White, black nationalist anti-American is more than "making a mistake", it's showing a serious lack of judgement upon who you're friends are.

Imagine if I ran for President and then it become known that my spiritual advisor and family friend of the last 20 years was some kind of anti-American nazi. That wouldn't just be "a mistake".

Some things, like whether or not to wear a flag pin, are stupid mistakes and those happen. Other things are total lapses in judgement for prolonged periods of time....

She should be deported. She's leaching off the government, living off public money in Boston. We know who she is and where she is so what's the problem?

No. You, instead, please tell me where I said Obama was a Whitey-Hater? Hmm, having trouble finding it? Maybe because I didn't say it.

Reading Comprehension is your friend.I did not say that you said anything. Maybe you should try out that Reading Comprehension you value.
I wonder why you're so defensive.

Nice dodge there, champ. Ignoring it is still denial.

Ignoring it? No. Pointing our your hilarious hypocrisy. Nice pretending that all your comments have always been rooted in hard copy facts and "finally" congratulating me. That whole deal about people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. As for dodging, you're the one who's been swerving around replies and refutations like you were in the Matrix... and that Newspeak thread is just one documented example.

:rolleyes:

Ok, ok. He resigned from Trinity Church after is became politically devastating to his Presidential campaign. Excuse me, that changes everything. For God's sake, he's a fucking Politician, what the hell else would you expect him to have done in that position? That doesn't change anything!

Ah, trying to move the goalpost with the old "He's just another politician" diatribe. I'm surprised you haven't resorted to screeching "Leftist" and pointing finger at Obama like a Pod Person.

It's ridiculous, you know. I mean it's fine to support Obama but you don't have to act like he is incapable of error and that nothing he has ever done was incorrect and the wrong choice.

And here you go building a giant strawman for next year's Burning Man Festival. Can you document where anyone seriously and directly said Obama was inhumanly perfect and incapable of making mistakes? Or were all his admissions of personal problems in his book just pure fluff?

I think I've heard briefly about TAI's reputation.. and thus I would like to remind everyone that we are talking about the potential effects of this news on Obama's candidacy, and not personal attacks against each other please. ;)
It's fine. It's not like respecting the law and standing up against those who break it is a bad thing, right?

Obama has some socialistic views on how the government should run what it should stand for and does have an angry Whitey-hating Christian pastor, so atleast some of the things you stated are grounded in reality, which is quite a change from your usual posting style. So for that I applaud you.

Are you suggesting that there aren't any people who believe those things or similiar about Obama? Because suggesting that everyone who doesn't support Obama has perfectly rational reasons for this is very foolish.

I did not say that you said anything. Maybe you should try out that Reading Comprehension you value.
I wonder why you're so defensive.
Nice try. But you responded to my attacks on Wright by asking me how that makes Obama anti-White, which was clearly not what we were discussing and totally irrelevant.

Ignoring it? No.
Mhm, and in doing that, ignoring what I said.

Ah, trying to move the goalpost with the old "He's just another politician" diatribe. I'm surprised you haven't resorted to screeching "Leftist" and pointing finger at Obama like a Pod Person.
Obama is a leftist and he is a typical politician by moving way to the center and totally switching many of his original leftist views in order to win. If that's not typical politician, sacrificing ideals and positions in order to be elected office. Well if that's not typical, what is that?

And here you go building a giant strawman for next year's Burning Man Festival. Can you document where anyone seriously and directly said Obama was inhumanly perfect and incapable of making mistakes? Or were all his admissions of personal problems in his book just pure fluff?
or where no one can criticize his connection to Wright without being attacked by Obama supporters, for example?

Are you suggesting that there aren't any people who believe those things or similiar about Obama? Because suggesting that everyone who doesn't support Obama has perfectly rational reasons for this is very foolish.
Naturally, retarded people exist who won't vote for Obama because "He's Muslim", but Gauthier was trying to make it seem like ALL those things he listed were fictional, while only some where. That was my point.

Nice try. But you responded to my attacks on Wright by asking me how that makes Obama anti-White, which was clearly not what we were discussing and totally irrelevant. Tell me, then, why do people dislike Reverend Wright?

Tell me, then, why do people dislike Reverend Wright?
Because they have half a brain, but that's not the point. The point they don't see Obama's relationship with him as problematic.

Obama has some socialistic views on how the government should run what it should stand for

1 - Your ignorance of what socialism actually means and how it works is showing.

2 - ASSUMING he has said views: What are you gonna do, coup him out? Support it? Or abide by a legal election with the American people having voted for someone you disagree with? If the latter is the case, what makes the South American peoples so different that they deserve to be tortured in the coups you still support?

And speaking of Obama being a Muslim, I just found this link on youtube....???????!!!!!


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S3WsnBDx8fk&feature=related

If you watch to the end CNN talks about the incident, and then Obama claims that he is of Muslim faith, but then after states he is of Christian faith.

Obama Recites The Islamic Call To Prayer In Perfect Arabic. All media from Fair Use.

On February 27th, 2007, Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."

In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer -- the Adhan -- with a first-class Arabic accent.

The Adhan is as follows:

Allah is Most Great. Allah is Most Great.
Allah is Most Great. Allah is Most Great.
I bear witness that there is none worthy of being worshipped except Allah.
I bear witness that there is none worthy of being worshipped except Allah.
I bear witness that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah.
I bear witness that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah.
Come to prayer. Come to prayer.
Come to Success. Come to Success.
Allah is Most Great. Allah is Most Great.
There is none worthy of being worshipped except Allah.

According to Islamic scholars, reciting this prayer, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam.

Obama knows this from his Quranic studies -- and he knows the New York Times will publish this fact and it will be seen throughout the world.

Could he actually be Muslim on a technicality? :p

Because they have half a brain, but that's not the point. The point they don't see Obama's relationship with him as problematic.But what, specifically, do you (Or anyone else) have against Reverend Wright that would make his relationship with Obama problematic?

Notice the word "implied", please.
noted but not understood.

Could he actually be Muslim on a technicality? :p

Unless you also are, for typing these same words and thinking them while reading/typing them. You see, TAI, language is funny that way: You think to yourself something you read, and you don't even notice it. Your internal voice, so to speak, said these words as you posted them. And so did mine as I read it. Welcome to Islam, "brother".

As for "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth", will you claim that a Muslim, upon admiring the Sistine Chapel, becomes a Christian? No? Then don't play games.

Finally, "perfect Arabic accent"? Really? A journalist that can identify it, and claims Obama's THAT fluent in Arabic? My English is fluent, TAI, better than the one of quite a portion of the South of the US. And I don't have a perfect English accent. With English being quite closer to Portuguese than to Arabic.

Unless you also are, for typing these same words and thinking them while reading/typing them. You see, TAI, language is funny that way: You think to yourself something you read, and you don't even notice it. Your internal voice, so to speak, said these words as you posted them. And so did mine as I read it. Welcome to Islam, "brother".
I didn't read it and you have no proof to say otherwise. Obama did read it and there is proof to state so.

You lose, again.

noted but not understood.It implies that you would dismiss other "small" problems. I don't think that dismissing things easily recitifed as of now, before they become complicated, is a good idea.
Of course, I think I totally misunderstood the point of your post. :)

I didn't read it and you have no proof to say otherwise. Obama did read it and there is proof to state so.

You lose, again.

You don't read a thing, silently, in this case, when you WRITE IT? Wow. That actually explains quite a lot of your posts here.

And McCain sought the endorsement from John Hagee. Not biologically related to him from lack of choice, not a person who's church he attended in his past whom he formally denounced.

No no no, McCain sought and accepted for John Hagee's endorsement, and kept it.

Look up John Hagee.

Obama doesn't control what his relatives do, and he denounced Wright without a doubt. Biological relations vs. present choice.

You don't read a thing, silently, in this case, when you WRITE IT? Wow. That actually explains quite a lot of your posts here.
I didn't write it, I copied and pasted it. It was not my own words and I was simply posting a previously written post on NSG for information for the thread. That does not require reading some foreign prayer, but rather simply acknowledging that it exists in the post I am copy/pasting.

You lose, again. God, you are on a roll.:p

If you watch to the end CNN talks about the incident, and then Obama claims that he is of Muslim faith, but then after states he is of Christian faith.


Oh come on TAI, given the context, he quite clearly meant it in the sense of "my alleged Muslim faith".


Could he actually be Muslim on a technicality? :p

I'm hoping by the smilie you find the idea merely amusing, but not true.

I didn't write it, I copied and pasted it. It was not my own words and I was simply posting a previously written post on NSG for information for the thread. That does not require reading some foreign prayer, but rather simply acknowledging that it exists in the post I am copy/pasting.

You lose, again. God, you are on a roll.:p

Upon copying and pasting it you didn't even peruse it? By the way, are you claiming whoever read that tripe you called a post is a Muslim now anyways? You see, TAI, you're not only treating Islamic affiliation as if it were something one accuses a person of, which in and of itself is ridiculous, you're also trying to pin with it the same man you claimed spent time in a CHURCH you don't like. By the way, would you or would you not support an oppressive coup in the US, should Obama - or a "too-much-to-the-left-for-your-tastes-candidate" get elected, legally? A coup, TAI, with all the niceties that happened here: Torture, rape, murders, disappearings of people. Would you support it in the US? Happening to your relatives? Yes or no?

Much to late in the election to really hurt Obama now. Earlier in the election maybe

It implies that you would dismiss other "small" problems. I don't think that dismissing things easily recitifed as of now, before they become complicated, is a good idea.
Of course, I think I totally misunderstood the point of your post. :)
in most races the big problems are so glaring that the small ones cant count for much.

the contrast between obama and mccain is so great that finding out that obama has a funny aunt or mccain had a drunk driving accident 35 years ago shouldnt be enough for anyone to change from one candidate to the other.

Upon copying and pasting it you didn't even peruse it?
Nope. Just acknkowledged what it was, then continued. I'm a busy man, things to do, you know. I'm not on Latin-time. :p

By the way, are you claiming whoever read that tripe you called a post is a Muslim now anyways?
No, Islamic Scholars who define people who have recited that as Muslim are claiming that.

You see, TAI, you're not only treating Islamic affiliation as if it were something one accuses a person of, which in and of itself is ridiculous,
If person A accuses person B of being Muslim and person B is Muslim then he has been accused, correctly, as being Muslim. If person B is not, then person B was in fact wrongfully accused. That's how that works.

you're also trying to pin with it the same man you claimed spent time in a CHURCH you don't like.
So? One can change religions or dabble between religions. Simply having been in a church doesn't exclude the possibility of that person being influenced by another religion at various points in one's life.

By the way, would you or would you not support an oppressive coup in the US, should Obama - or a "too-much-to-the-left-for-your-tastes-candidate" get elected, legally?
Not if Obama got elected, no. He is not a marxist and nor a socialist, I simply said he had some socialistic policies. Neither is the Democrat controlled congress. So none of that would be necessary. Surely you know all that, though.

Anyway, there are other ways of solving problems, naturally. I respect the American democratic system and it's value much to much to see it destroyed. We've overcome more difficult things than leftist leaders. Why do you ask? :p

I respect the American democratic system and it's value much to much to see it destroyed.

Then you have to respect the South American one just as much. Because I'm sure you're not a xenophobe, a racist or a hypocrite, one, two or all of which such a double-standard would make you into.

Then you have to respect the South American one just as much. Because I'm sure you're not a xenophobe, a racist or a hypocrite, one, two or all of which such a double-standard would make you into.
But for that to be credible you must be foolish enough to belive that the Chilean (that is what we are discussing at core) democracy was still intact, which, thanks to it's Marxist leader, was most certainly not true.

There must be no confusion about where the responsibility for Chile’s tragedy lies. It lies with Dr Allende and those in the marxist parties who pursued a strategy for the seizure of total power to the point at which the opposition despaired of being able to restrain them by constitutional means.

What happened in Santiago is not an everyday Latin American coup. The armed forces had tolerated Dr Allende for nearly three years.

But the Allende government did more than wreck the economy. It violated both the letter and the spirit of the constitution. The way it rode roughshod over congress and the courts eroded faith in the country’s democratic institutions. A resolution passed by the opposition majority in congress last month declared that “the government is not merely responsible for isolated violations of the law and the constitution; it has made them into a permanent system of conduct”. The feeling that parliament had been made irrelevant was increased by violence in the streets (almost on a Belfast scale) and by the way the government tolerated the growth of armed groups on the far left that were openly preparing for civil war.

The armed forces moved only when it had long been clear that there was a popular mandate for military intervention. They had to move in the end because all constitutional means had failed to restrain a government that was behaving unconstitutionally. The trigger for the coup was provided by the efforts of left-wing extremists to promote subversion within the armed forces.
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11674052

But for that to be credible you must be foolish enough to belive that the Chilean (that is what we are discussing at core) democracy was still intact, which, thanks to it's Marxist leader, was most certainly not true.

Again with the "Economist" article, a conservative newspaper, from 1973? Please. And you're actually saying that the regime that followed was a freer one? A more desirable one? My country was also a target, remember? And no, TAI, the only threats to democracy and free press came AFTER the coups. Regardless, would you support them in your country if the conditions you claimed to be in place in Chile were in place in the US, then? I'm sure you have relatives, friends, in the US. Would you or would you not support it happening to them? Again: Same conditions.

HOLY SHIT THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT CHILE!

Seriously, it's like you guys have no opinions about anything else.

HOLY SHIT THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT CHILE!

Seriously, it's like you guys have no opinions about anything else.

I'll gladly move it then, but I have a debate to win.

At any rate, no, it's not about Chile, it's about the entirety of South America, and about my status as a PERSON, with the SAME right to self-determination that any other population has.

I'll gladly move it then, but I have a debate to win.

At any rate, no, it's not about Chile, it's about the entirety of South America, and about my status as a PERSON, with the SAME right to self-determination that any other population has.

It's actually not about any of that. It's about Barack Obama's aunt. It even says so in the thread title.

It's actually not about any of that. It's about Barack Obama's aunt. It even says so in the thread title.

Point.

Boy, I did set myself up for that.

Can any of the mods that I'm sure are watching (due to the invisible extra member in the list) split this?

If not, TAI, feel free to give one last answer to the question I asked: Would you support the same happening to the US that happened to Chile, under the same conditions?

HOLY SHIT THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT CHILE!

Seriously, it's like you guys have no opinions about anything else.HOLY SHIT, I ALMOST FORGOT MY COMMA!
*joins in*
Yay. :D
Completely pointless, but I just couldn't resist.

It's actually not about any of that. It's about Barack Obama's aunt. It even says so in the thread title.

She has a right to self-determination too. :)

So I was going to enter this thread with a parody of the kinds of people who take this kind of 'allegation' seriously, but there is no longer any need. Thanks for the lulz!

Point.

Boy, I did set myself up for that.

Can any of the mods that I'm sure are watching (due to the invisible extra member in the list) split this?

If not, TAI, feel free to give one last answer to the question I asked: Would you support the same happening to the US that happened to Chile, under the same conditions?
Too hypothetical for debate, but I will say this. When a man can't make money due to inflation, his wife has to queue for food when it's avaliable at all and him and his family are literally starving, directly due to the idiotic marxist policies of his government, extremism doesn't seem so extreme.
At any rate, no, it's not about Chile, it's about the entirety of South America, and about my status as a PERSON, with the SAME right to self-determination that any other population has.
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/SIGN/98268~Caution-Drama-Queen-Just-Ahead-Posters.jpg

I didn't read it and you have no proof to say otherwise. Obama did read it and there is proof to state so.


Where? Certainly not in that video.

Too hypothetical for debate, but I will say this. When a man can't make money due to inflation, his wife has to queue for food when it's avaliable at all and him and his family are literally starving, directly due to the idiotic marxist policies of his government, extremism doesn't seem so extreme.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/SIGN/98268~Caution-Drama-Queen-Just-Ahead-Posters.jpg

Aww, what's the matter? Poor little TAI can't answer a simple question?

Why don't you go ahead and say it, TAI? That you have a double standard, and won't let go of it?

This has no real relevance to the canidates, their policies, and how people will decide the election....lets move onto something else...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14157901&postcount=3

Heikoku, The Atlantian Islands, you would have found in that post an explanation of why you had both been given red card infractions.

But, coming on the exhibition of childish goading that you are now both engaged in, you may consider it the basis for my now upgrading that to a 24-hour ban for the pair of you.

BTW, dragging this back to the topic (peripherally) -- I claim first sighting of an "Auntiegate" headline: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=659101

That's at 4.36pm Australian Eastern Summer Time on Sunday, November 2.

Anyone who's been sampling the media able to give a summary on how American news media are treating this? Top of page, down page, breaking news bulletins, or Big Ignore?

BTW, dragging this back to the topic (peripherally) -- I claim first sighting of an "Auntiegate" headline: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14157916&postcount=59

That's at 4.36pm Australian Eastern Summer Time on Sunday, November 2.

Anyone who's been sampling the media able to give a summary on how American news media are treating this? Top of page, down page, breaking news bulletins, or Big Ignore?

Um.... it's linking to the Bannage.

:$

Sorry. Try this: NineMSN (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=659101)

BTW, dragging this back to the topic (peripherally) -- I claim first sighting of an "Auntiegate" headline: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14157916&postcount=59

That's at 4.36pm Australian Eastern Summer Time on Sunday, November 2.

Anyone who's been sampling the media able to give a summary on how American news media are treating this? Top of page, down page, breaking news bulletins, or Big Ignore?You doubled the link, Ardchoille. Did you mean this (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/02/us-elections-2008-barack-obama1), or this (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5061593.ece)?
Edit: Oh, never mind. Somebody else already got it. :)

Full article here.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/02/us-elections-2008-barack-obama1

Does this spell doom for Obama's ~7% lead?

:eek:

As a McCain supporter who understands that defeat is probably at hand, all I have to say is...

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m232/peasly23/th_not_this_shit_again.jpg

:$

Sorry. Try this: NineMSN (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=659101)

It smells like a desperate attempt to hope the American voting attention span is that short and self-absorbed to where an insignificant triviality will somehow translate into a damning indictment of Barack Obama and thus result in a Third Bush Term.

Which of course means The Liberal Media™ will likely loom over this carcass like flies.

You doubled the link, Ardchoille. Did you mean this (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/02/us-elections-2008-barack-obama1), or this (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5061593.ece)?
:)

It doesn't count unless it's actually got the word "Auntiegate" in it.:tongue:

It doesn't count unless it's actually got the word "Auntiegate" in it.:tongue:Like this one (http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/79738)?

Datestamp it or it doesn't count. (Yes, I am shifting the goalposts.) :D

EDIT: Games aside, I am actually interested in how your media's playing this. Sure, it looks to me like last-minute desperation stuff, but I'm not American. Are little local outlets taking it seriously? How high is it running on news bulletins? And is it running comment-free, or is it carrying explanatory paragraphs, the way the Ayers story did?

Datestamp it or it doesn't count. (Yes, I am shifting the goalposts.) :DYou keep adding yards. *grumble*
I swear it was only forty last time I checked.
Dated: Sunday, November 2, 2008. Central United States, 12:57 A.M.

I think it's a bit random to bring it up. The poor woman was denied assylum four years ago. I can't blame her wanting it. There are others who want it just as bad. The only worse thing was that she made a total donation of about $260 to Obama's campagne. But seriously, if that's the only fault Obama has made, it's a minor one. It's more of a family member wanting to support someone. And there are others who are worse when it comes to the donation thing.If he was aware of her being her illegally and actively did seek to protect her using his political influence he could be held in contempt.

How about that.

It changes about as much as Bristol Palin getting knocked up changes.



Jack. Shit.

Namely the same demographics who genuinely believes Obama is an evil Muslim socialist with an angry whitey-hating Christian pastor who'll take their money, guns and Bible and institute Sharia Law all over the United States.

Evil Muslim? No.
Socialist? Check.
Angry, whitey-hating, pastor? Check.
Will take money? Check. (He wants to raise taxes- at a tax bracket that will hurt small business more than anyone else- which means hurting jobs in Middle America.)
Wants to take guns? Not sure, but implied in some things he's said so: Check.

Why are we voting for him again?

Socialist? Check.

Only if you dont know what the term means.

Angry, whitey-hating, pastor? Check.

Only if you dont understand history and race relations.

Will take money? Check. (He wants to raise taxes- at a tax bracket that will hurt small business more than anyone else- which means hurting jobs in Middle America.)

Only if you believe some consistantly defunct McCain lies.

Wants to take guns? Not sure, but implied in some things he's said so: Check.

Dont care if he takes your guns.

Why are we voting for him again?

If you were informed itd be obvious.

EDIT: Games aside, I am actually interested in how your media's playing this.
Page thirteen, at best.

Full article here.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/02/us-elections-2008-barack-obama1

Does this spell doom for Obama's ~7% lead?

:eek:

It already has. Look at the polls, Virginia, Florida, and Ohio are gone, and Pennsylvania and Nevada will be.

Already been mentioned in the Election thread.
And using this against him would probably increase his lead, not decrease it. Most people are tired of the "ZOMG, HE'S AN EBIL MUZLIM" sh*t. Slinging more mud just means McCain's ship has more dirt to sink with. :p

Again, look at the polls.

I think the general answer is, "Who really cares?"

The ignorant racist rednecks that are now going to vote McCain (if they were ever really undecided and not just lying), that's who.

its too irrelevant to have an effect on the election.

It HAS effected the election. We've lost, and McSame and his violence-prone supporters have won.

OBAMA CAMPAIGN FUNDED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION! (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5061593.ece)

Maineiacs, if you could actually link to "the polls" which support your argument instead of just a vague reference that'd be really helpful.

It already has. Look at the polls, Virginia, Florida, and Ohio are gone, and Pennsylvania and Nevada will be.



Again, look at the polls.



The ignorant racist rednecks that are now going to vote McCain (if they were ever really undecided and not just lying), that's who.



It HAS effected the election. We've lost, and McSame and his violence-prone supporters have won.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/111664/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Continues-Outpace-McCain.aspx

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/


Chill chicken little. What polls are you watching?

I stand by my statement. It will change as much as Bristol Palin getting knocked up changed.

I believe Maineiacs was joking.

I believe Maineiacs was joking.

Oh, really?


My bad then.

OBAMA CAMPAIGN FUNDED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION! (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5061593.ece)

Maineiacs, if you could actually link to "the polls" which support your argument instead of just a vague reference that'd be really helpful.

I'm trying to find something, but neither CNN nor MSNBC have on their websites what I heard from them on TV, fivethirtyeight.com is trying to put a good face on it by calling it a "tightening", and none of the other sites I found are talking about it. They're all acting as if Obama will still win. I have not heard any good news lately, I have no choice but to assume that what I have heard will show that my original assumption that there are enough people who buy into McCain's fear mongering to give him the election was correct.

I'm trying to find something, but neither CNN nor MSNBC have on their websites what I heard from them on TV, fivethirtyeight.com is trying to put a good face on it by calling it a "tightening", and none of the other sites I found are talking about it. They're all acting as if Obama will still win. I have not heard any good news lately, I have no choice but to assume that what I have heard will show that my original assumption that there are enough people who buy into McCain's fear mongering to give him the election was correct.

So, you have nothing to back up your freaking out?

Why not just do your blood pressure a favor and chill the fuck out.

I believe Maineiacs was joking.

Oh, really?


My bad then.

No, I wasn't. I'm not joking, just depressed.

So, you have nothing to back up your freaking out?

Why not just do your blood pressure a favor and chill the fuck out.

Go ahead and swear at me if it makes you feel better. I don't care anymore.

No, I wasn't. I'm not joking, just depressed.

But...there is no reason for you to be depressed.

Meh, its your mental health.


Hes still up in Virgina, Penn, and Ohio. Florida is a toss up, hes up in Nevada and Colorado, and is making inroads into states like Montanna.

Its all good.

I missed the memo saying Obama was accountable for everything his Aunt did and was supposed to know/do things about it.

No. You, instead, please tell me where I said Obama was a Whitey-Hater? Hmm, having trouble finding it? Maybe because I didn't say it.

....


That reminds me.......

..you seem to have neglected supporting quotes for this, and haven't withdrawn it either..... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14151069&postcount=224)

How will this effect the election?

Good question. But everyone has to realize that there are two possible outcomes to this.

1. Obama's aunt hid the truth, or lied to him, when she visited him multiple times.

2. He knew about it and decided not to mention to anyone that he did not trust.

She will be deported though.

It already has. Look at the polls, Virginia,
McCain hasn't led in a poll there since September 28th.
Florida,
Tossup, not gone.
and Ohio
McCain led in one serious poll in the last month. Not gone.
Pennsylvania
McCain has never. Ever. Neverever. Led in PA. Why even claim it's a tossup, let alone gone?
Nevada
McCain hasn't led since September 29th.

Why so scared? What polls are you reading?

Why so scared? What polls are you reading?

The ones on the inside of his blackest of black soul.

If I was McCain, I'd start preparing my speech to concess the race to Obama.

I hope he does it gracefully, instead of trying to imply that the Obama Muslim plant stole it and rile up the gun-toting hicks like he's been doing up 'till now.

The ones on the inside of his blackest of black soul.

That was a bit unnecessary, wasn't it?

I hope he does it gracefully, instead of trying to imply that the Obama Muslim plant stole it and rile up the gun-toting hicks like he's been doing up 'till now.

He might not but Palin may try to.

It already has. Look at the polls, Virginia, Florida, and Ohio are gone, and Pennsylvania and Nevada will be.

It'll be a cold day in hell when Pennsylvania goes into the McCain column, whatever the old man says.

The ignorant racist rednecks that are now going to vote McCain (if they were ever really undecided and not just lying), that's who.

They were always going to vote for McCain. If the only effect is losing there support, then the effect is rather slight.

It HAS effected the election. We've lost, and McSame and his violence-prone supporters have won.

Oh for fuck's sake. CNN just gave Obama a seven point lead today. In short, virtually unchanged.

Is there some reason why the left has to have no balls? Why we have to curl up and cry defeat every time there's a potential bump in the road? You know how McCain could win? If people like you concede defeat before election day, and stay home rather than going to vote for Obama. Their is way, way to much at stake in this election for defeatist cowering and moaning.

Already been mentioned in the Election thread.
And using this against him would probably increase his lead, not decrease it. Most people are tired of the "ZOMG, HE'S AN EBIL MUZLIM" sh*t. Slinging more mud just means McCain's ship has more dirt to sink with. :p

illegal immigration is different from Muslim. Even more so during a recession. its a big issue here when people don't follow our laws on immigration.

It'll be a cold day in hell when Pennsylvania goes into the McCain column, whatever the old man says.



They were always going to vote for McCain. If the only effect is losing there support, then the effect is rather slight.



Oh for fuck's sake. CNN just gave Obama a seven point lead today. In short, virtually unchanged.

Is there some reason why the left has to have no balls? Why we have to curl up and cry defeat every time there's a potential bump in the road? You know how McCain could win? If people like you concede defeat before election day, and stay home rather than going to vote for Obama. Their is way, way to much at stake in this election for defeatist cowering and moaning.

A) I voted early, and already voted for Obama

B) To answer your other question, it's because we've had the last two elections stolen, there's evidence they're trying to do it again, fear mongering has been very effective so far and there's no reason to think it won't work again, and eight years of "permanent Rebublican majority" takes its toll, even after getting Congress back in '06.

Good question. But everyone has to realize that there are two possible outcomes to this.

1. Obama's aunt hid the truth, or lied to him, when she visited him multiple times.
Obama and his aunt have not seen each other face to face for many, many years. Obama does acknowledge that she made a phone call to him once, a few years back, but it was brief.

Oh for fuck's sake. CNN just gave Obama a seven point lead today. In short, virtually unchanged.



any polls released today were likely collected several days ago. its not like you get a state by state proportionally, randomized poll in just 2 hours.

Page thirteen, at best.


Ah, thank you. I thought it might have been timed to take advantage of the weekend news cycle (Sunday breaker = Monday dominance), but apparently not.

Full article here.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/02/us-elections-2008-barack-obama1

Does this spell doom for Obama's ~7% lead?

:eek:

Short answer: No.

Long Answer: the whole "Obama's Aunt" thing is a joke. A sick, sad, joke, an irrelevancy and nobody really cares out there in voterland. It mght even help motivate his followers MORE.

A) I voted early, and already voted for Obama

Good. But others who share your pessimisim won't.

B) To answer your other question, it's because we've had the last two elections stolen, there's evidence they're trying to do it again, fear mongering has been very effective so far and there's no reason to think it won't work again, and eight years of "permanent Rebublican majority" takes its toll, even after getting Congress back in '06.

All the more reason to keep fighting now. Obama is not in Gore or Kerry's possission. He has run a stronger campaign, against a less compitent opposition, under a different political climate and economic situation.

Yes, they will try fraud. They may try it in every close state, and do it while ranting about Acorn as a smoke screen. Quite possibly they are hoping to incite a "lone gunman" incident. They will do what they can to win. But Obama's lead is wider than Kerry or Gore could possibly hope to claim. If they try fraud, it will have to occure in multiple states, probably including some that are more clearly pro-democrat. In short, too obvious for their to be any doubt as in 2000.

any polls released today were likely collected several days ago. its not like you get a state by state proportionally, randomized poll in just 2 hours.

Fair enough, but this was in the news at least yesterday, possibly before. I think I recall hearing it on Friday. So no to the whole "2 hours" bit.

Also telling to me is how comparatively little news coverage this seems to be getting on CNN. The conservatives will whine about "liberal media" perhaps, but the truth is, it really seems that no one gives a damn.

Fair enough, but this was in the news at least yesterday, possibly before. I think I recall hearing it on Friday. So no to the whole "2 hours" bit.

they also likely didn't collect poll data on the weekend. No point when the lead is that much.
Issue wise it could effect Obama. one of his biggest group of supporters has been the unions. which were going to win him Ohio, Michigan ETC... In the democratic camp they are the ones most likely to be anti Illegal immigrant or totally anti immigration all.
If the unions workers feel betrayed and don't show up at the polls it could have a disproportionate effect on the election.
Obama needs to shift Focus up there in the industrial states quickly.

Depends on how well he can pull damage control, how much the news reports it, and how McCain attacks the issue.

Full article here.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/02/us-elections-2008-barack-obama1

Does this spell doom for Obama's ~7% lead?

:eek:

tl:dr.

If it does "doom" Obama's campaign. then the US will get the Government it deserves... and worse, the Government it truely wanted!

illegal immigration is different from Muslim. Even more so during a recession. its a big issue here when people don't follow our laws on immigration.I was using the "mud slinger" reference for good reason. The more McCain tries to make Obama look bad, the more people get sick of it.

I was using the "mud slinger" reference for good reason. The more McCain tries to make Obama look bad, the more people get sick of it.

your assuming he directly assaults him. If he were to go to states with High numbers of Union membership and push his record of being Anti immigrant in voting and describe a bill to curtail illegal immigrants more.
then have various push polls go on about will Obama's illegal immigrant aunt affect your vote this election ??? you could see some very good results.

This is of course assuming obama doesn't do well in Damage control.

That was a bit unnecessary, wasn't it?

Not really. You're being needlessly dramatic without any basis in reality to justify it. Be a paranoid pessimist all you want, but don't spout blatant lies just to support your defeatist delusions.

Not really. You're being needlessly dramatic without any basis in reality to justify it. Be a paranoid pessimist all you want, but don't spout blatant lies just to support your defeatist delusions.

Exactly. If your going to be a downer and cry the sky is falling, either have evidence or keep it to yourself.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/02/MNOL13RTV0.DTL&type=politics


Yep. The Obama campaign is doomed.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/02/MNOL13RTV0.DTL&type=politics


Yep. The Obama campaign is doomed.

all the polls and the early voting this article point too are from before the illegal alien auntie thing hit the news. So this is not really relevant to the thread.

Yes, because obviously, Obama IS his aunt.

Yes, because obviously, Obama IS his aunt.

But having an illegal immigrant aunt may affect several of the key voting blocks for the democratic party. Most notable the Unions in states such as Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan.
I am just saying lets not make this a Dewey defeats Truman.

all the polls and the early voting this article point too are from before the illegal alien auntie thing hit the news. So this is not really relevant to the thread.

No, its not too early. This has been out for a while now. That NSG just picked up on it doesnt mean its new.

But having an illegal immigrant aunt may affect several of the key voting blocks for the democratic party. Most notable the Unions in states such as Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan.
I am just saying lets not make this a Dewey defeats Truman.

No, it wont effect anything more than Bristol Palin getting knocked up effected the religious rights decision to vote for Palin.

No, its not too early. This has been out for a while now. That NSG just picked up on it doesnt mean its new.



No, it wont effect anything more than Bristol Palin getting knocked up effected the religious rights decision to vote for Palin.

So the democratic party should follow your advice and do nothing.