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So your candidate of choice wins the presidential election and you decide that you are going to celebrate. What do you do?


Alternatively, your preferred candidate loses. What is your anti-celebration?


I am not quite sure about either. If Obama wins, I will probably have a party. If McCain wins, I'll start working on ways to protect myself when the apocalypse comes.

So your candidate of choice wins the presidential election and you decide that you are going to celebrate. What do you do?

Go to the local GOP headquarters and spend all day pointing and laughing at the staff.

Alternatively, your preferred candidate loses. What is your anti-celebration?

Move to Canada. Honestly, if the nation wants to fuck itself, who am I to get in the way?

A) Drink heavily

B) Drink heavily

Gloat.
Big time.
But in deference to Ardchoille, I won't do it here.

(A) Cheer.

(B) Rewind time.

Go to the local GOP headquarters and spend all day pointing and laughing at the staff.



Move to Canada. Honestly, if the nation wants to fuck itself, who am I to get in the way?

Yeah, I keep trying to kick myself in the ass so that I can buck up, get my business running and generating lots of cash so that I can move anywhere I want. Canada is my #1 choice right now.

A) Drink heavily

B) Drink heavily


A solid plan. Simple, yet effective.

Get drunk.

For both.

EDIT:
And maybe use other substances. (Only legal ones, of course! ;))

A) Continue as normal

B) Same

Gloat.
Big time.
But in deference to Ardchoille, I won't do it here.

I think a great way to really scare the shit out of Conservatives would be for every Obama fan to wear a turban or hijab for a day or two once the results come in.

So your candidate of choice wins the presidential election and you decide that you are going to celebrate. What do you do?

Raise my eyebrows in shock, then get on with my life.

Alternatively, your preferred candidate loses. What is your anti-celebration?

If Obama wins, I'll collect the money I bet on him, if McCain wins, I shall laugh.


I am not quite sure about either. If Obama wins, I will probably have a party. If McCain wins, I'll start working on ways to protect myself when the apocalypse comes.

Obama is a pro-spending idealist who is against same-sex marriage, and McCain is Bush 2. So Obama is visibly better, but I am still voting third-party.

(A) Cheer.

(B) Rewind time.

(A) Do you have your cheer worked out?

(B) How kind!

Get drunk.

For both.

EDIT:
And maybe use other substances. (Only legal ones, of course! ;))

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'll get hammered in either case

A) Wonder what the hell happened to the voting machines to make the results say that the Socialist Party USA won. Point and laugh from afar as America falls into widespread riots.

B) Be entirely unsurprised.

A) Continue as normal

B) Same

You don't have a preferred candidate? You won't celebrate at all if the one you prefer wins?

Raise my eyebrows in shock, then get on with my life.



If Obama wins, I'll collect the money I bet on him, if McCain wins, I shall laugh.




Obama is a pro-spending idealist who is against same-sex marriage, and McCain is Bush 2. So Obama is visibly better, but I am still voting third-party.

So a monumental miracle happens: a third party candidate wins, the one you were rooting for, and you won't celebrate at all?

A) Wonder what the hell happened to the voting machines to make the results say that the Socialist Party USA won. Point and laugh from afar as America falls into widespread riots.

If you remember the thread on breaking into them and changing the votes, then you're welcome.

2.) Move to Europe. Oh wait, that's where I am now. Move to the moon then - let's see them fuck that up with the economy too smashed for a space program.

So a monumental miracle happens: a third party candidate wins, the one you were rooting for, and you won't celebrate at all?

No, because Libertarians are not really all that great, and I doubt their candidate (Bob Barr) will even act much like he says he will.

2.) Move to Europe. Oh wait, that's where I am now. Move to the moon then - let's see them fuck that up with the economy too smashed for a space program.

"Hey, let's test out our new missiles by firing them at the moon! And with all the craters it has, we'll need a nuclear warhead to make absolutely sure the crater we see is our's!"

Nah, it'll just be generic cheering.

That, and looking at naughty pics. Then again, I'd probably console myself with naughty pics if McAncient somehow wins...

You don't have a preferred candidate? You won't celebrate at all if the one you prefer wins?

He can't, Sumamba. VKZ is a subject of the Queen of England.:D

He can't, Sumamba. VKZ is a subject of the Queen of England.:D

Indeed. I bow to her magesty and the houses of parliament. :D

(I still don't like that either though :p )

He can't, Sumamba. VKZ is a subject of the Queen of England.:D

Sure, but the rest of the world are subjects of the Imperial States of Global America.

Sure, but the rest of the world are subjects of the Imperial States of Global America.

I'z not liek j00.:eek:

I have to admit I have a soft spot in my little, black heart for Obama. (no pu intended):tongue:

I'z not liek j00.:eek:

I have to admit I have a soft spot in my little, black heart for Obama. (no pu intended):tongue:

Don't bring your hatred of the j00's into this.

Seriously though, seeing as how the USA are involved in the affairs of so many other countries, I would assume that who the US elects matters quite a bit to many of their inhabitants.

Sure, but the rest of the world are subjects of the Imperial States of Global America.

Yep - a country where the idiots control everything. :(

So your candidate of choice wins the presidential election and you decide that you are going to celebrate. What do you do?


Alternatively, your preferred candidate loses. What is your anti-celebration?


I am not quite sure about either. If Obama wins, I will probably have a party. If McCain wins, I'll start working on ways to protect myself when the apocalypse comes.
Have the party if Obama wins, but you'd be prudent to prepare for the depression that will follow -- if he gets to enact all the giveaways and tax increases he's planned.


Buy a bible and a gun...

Buy a bible and a gun...

You know, I'm pretty sure that Bibles are poor silencers...

Don't bring your hatred of the j00's into this.

I'z bringin' it.

Seriously though, seeing as how the USA are involved in the affairs of so many other countries, I would assume that who the US elects matters quite a bit to many of their inhabitants.

The rest of the world is, in all honesty, watching what will transpire in the US next Tuesday. I have my fingers crossed for Barrack Obama.:)

Naw, the Dems have a history of bringing a more stable and prosperous economy when they are in charge of things.

You know, I'm pretty sure that Bibles are poor silencers...
Yeah, but that's what we desperate clingers do when times get tough. Didn't you hear?

Naw, the Dems have a history of bringing a more stable and prosperous economy when they are in charge of things.
Like Jimmy Carter? Sure.

Have the party if Obama wins, but you'd be prudent to prepare for the depression that will follow -- if he gets to enact all the giveaways and tax increases he's planned.


Buy a bible and a gun...

New plan-get rich selling robes and "The End is Nigh" signs and coffee cups full of pencils to all the chicken littles that have bought into McCain's 'red scare' last minute tactic.

Yeah, but that's what we desperate clingers do when times get tough. Didn't you hear?

I heard, but honestly, I'd rather take as many people with me as possible. Which means that I'd rather buy several Bibles, some black market C4, some black market claymores, and then go play a real-life version of Call of Duty 4 in a local shopping mall.

After all, if I'm going to die anyway, I might as well make sure people have no reason to forget me.

Edit: For the Homeland Security and FBI guys who will inevitably read this:

1) I'm joking.
2) I don't know anyone who sells black market goods.
3) Jim, your tie is on crooked. You might want to straighten it. And tell your daughter I said "Hi!"

So your candidate of choice wins the presidential election and you decide that you are going to celebrate. What do you do?

Ill be watching Hanity and O'riely for the next few months, and writing them emails about how they hate America for not supporting our president whenever they slam Obama.

I also intend to drink the tears of the right like wine.


Alternatively, your preferred candidate loses. What is your anti-celebration?

Get a student Visa and study in Canada for the next four years.

Have the party if Obama wins, but you'd be prudent to prepare for the depression that will follow -- if he gets to enact all the giveaways and tax increases he's planned.


Buy a bible and a gun...

Youre silly.

So your candidate of choice wins the presidential election and you decide that you are going to celebrate. What do you do?


Alternatively, your preferred candidate loses. What is your anti-celebration?


I am not quite sure about either. If Obama wins, I will probably have a party. If McCain wins, I'll start working on ways to protect myself when the apocalypse comes.

Ron Paul wins? Well sweet, I'll bend my New Year's resolution and allow myself a smoke to celebrate.


If Mccain wins, I'll seriously look at getting out of the US. I only live 100 miles or so from the Canuk border, so I'd honestly think about getting out of dodge. Damn guy will start WWIII before his first term of office is over (or die and leave that ditz from alaska in charge...I don't know what is worst...him or her in charge).

Obama wins? I'd probably not care too much. The guy has his head up his rear end about many things but at least he isn't looking to start a war with Iran. Thing is, with how screwed up this country is, you KNOW someone somewhere sometime is going to take a pot-shot or two at him. Kinda makes me sad in a way that we still haven't put aside all this race crap. He's had Secret Service protecting him from the day he was announced as a possibility in the democratic primaries (hillary had SS as well, but she's a former first lady and is has SS coverage for the rest of her life anyway).


Only thing I really don't like about Obama is he speaks well but looks to be a closet racist. Watched more than a few news coverages of him and his staff is literally all black. At least McCain spatters his campain staff with minoritys. Obama has no hispanics or native americans that I could see. Doesn't even have a single white person in his campain staff =-( Now I may be wrong, but this is just from watching clips on MSNBC, CNN, FOX, ABC, and CBS of him walking around or at speaches. Again, those could be just staged but that's what I got from it.

(and it is just racism...there is no such thing as 'reverse racism')

I'm going to get drunk.

I'm going to start vetting Cabinet positions and staff appointments. After that, probably an actuarial analysis on sitting SCOTUS members.

If I'm really excited, I might drink a beer, but I wouldn't lay long odds on that. I don't really like beer.

Youre silly.
Yeah, and things were great when Jimmy Carter sat in the same position. 12% inflation rate, 7% unemployment, 21% interest rates, 70% marginal tax rates. Yeah those were the days... And Obama doesn't seem to be headed in any different direction, does he?

I think a great way to really scare the shit out of Conservatives would be for every Obama fan to wear a turban or hijab for a day or two once the results come in.

What about McCain supporters wearing sheets? After all, if he wins, it'll all be due to racism :p

By Jan. 8th when everything is all read out, I'll be back at uni, so getting abso pissed is definitely on the cards, regardless of who wins.

a) dream green dreams with cheerfulness and hope

b) dream green dreams as a form of escape

the world isn't going to all chainge all at once either way, but one is a chance for a small sigh of relief, the other, anxiety as usual.

a large number of minor policy adjustments shifting incentives in a greener direction is as much as i'm actually hoping to see. wanting to be able to expect.

of course a wpa, along with every kind of incentive shift possible, to build a green infrastructure is something i'd really like to see.

just a return to sanity of some kind, even if its only partial.

well i think either of them MIGHT do that a little. i just expect obama is more likely to do a little more of it, and maybe more then a little bit better job of doing so.

whoever gets in, we probably won't see where either of their hearts are really at until after the enaguration. but we can guess. and hope. and even pray.

i'm not a great one for celibrations, but i wish happiness, hope and luck, as i always do, to what i see as more likely to bring hope, peace, eating regular, mitigating of stress, and real opportunities for real gratification to everybody.

Yep - a country where the idiots control everything. :(Not if this guy (http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/colbert-lockwood.jpg)got elected!
That. Would. Be. Epic!

a) Gloat, and rub it in the face of evetyone that ever equalled dissent with anti-Americanism that either they now agree with me or they are now - by their words - anti-American. In particular, rub in the face of the people that supported this stupid, useless war that their President is now someone who held back then the same views I've been called un-American for holding.

b) Pray for McCain's health issues to become REAL issues and for Palin to be somehow prevented from taking over. Then a Democrat would end up taking over, and the right decision would have been made for the Americans.

b) Pray for McCain's health issues to become REAL issues and for Palin to be somehow prevented from taking over.
Nice... praying for the death of an old man you do not know personally.

What about McCain supporters wearing sheets? After all, if he wins, it'll all be due to racism :p

how about boffing weapons, (i.e. foam 'swords'), on the eric, yah, one side wearing sheets, one side wearing turbans. sure sounds like more fun then big holes in the ground full of unhappy dead people to me.

Not if this guy (http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/colbert-lockwood.jpg)got elected!
That. Would. Be. Epic!

Erm... holy crap? :D

Not if this guy (http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/colbert-lockwood.jpg)got elected!
That. Would. Be. Epic!

I would, definitely, move to the US for a few weeks, register to vote, and vote for that guy!:D

Nice... praying for the death of an old man you do not know personally.

But who, impersonally, causes more harm alive? Yep.

Erm... holy crap? :DYES.
Steven Colbert, '12!

I would, definitely, move to the US for a few weeks, register to vote, and vote for that guy!:DHe wins. At life, and everything else. :p

Nice... praying for the death of an old man you do not know personally.

Relax, it's just McCain.:D

But who, impersonally, causes more harm alive? Yep.
... how does he do this at all -_-

... how does he do this at all -_-

As President, he would. Right now I don't wish for his death, as it might make him a martyr and get Bible Spice elected.

I fail to see how McBama will change that much. :p
He's the president.
President =/= dictator.

I fail to see how McBama will change that much. :p
He's the president.
President =/= dictator.

Bragging rights. President Obama would mean the American population voted for someone who agreed with me on Iraq.

a) Gloat, and rub it in the face of evetyone that ever equalled dissent with anti-Americanism that either they now agree with me or they are now - by their words - anti-American. In particular, rub in the face of the people that supported this stupid, useless war that their President is now someone who held back then the same views I've been called un-American for holding.

b) Pray for McCain's health issues to become REAL issues and for Palin to be somehow prevented from taking over. Then a Democrat would end up taking over, and the right decision would have been made for the Americans.
That would be "everyone" and "equated" and the rest is hard to follow, but I know how excited you are to see a real Marxist run the show here... By the way, you're Brasileiro, right? Hardly an insult to be called not American.

a) Gloat, and rub it in the face of evetyone that ever equalled dissent with anti-Americanism that either they now agree with me or they are now - by their words - anti-American. In particular, rub in the face of the people that supported this stupid, useless war that their President is now someone who held back then the same views I've been called un-American for holding.

So basically this:
A) Continue as normal

;)

That would be "everyone" and "equated" and the rest is hard to follow, but I know how excited you are to see a real Marxist run the show here... By the way, you're Brasileiro, right? Hardly an insult to be called not American.

First, typo.

Second, thanks, I have GOT to stop making that mistake. (EDIT: Well, looking at the dictionary, that was no mistake. But is it less used? Or am I using it in the wrong context there? Help me out, I'm a translator. :p )

Third: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism - Read this. If you think Obama's ideas fit that definition, that's yours to prove. If you think YOU can provide a better definition that somehow encompasses Obama's ideas, that's also yours to prove. If you were just using "Marxist" as a buzzword, I have no reason to discuss with you any longer. Which is it?

Fourth: Anti-American, America-hater and un-American were buzzwords used to stifle opposition, as you know fully well. Furthermore, I will assume here that you know in which continent Brazil is.

So your candidate of choice wins the presidential election and you decide that you are going to celebrate. What do you do?

Laughs as Democrats and Republican loses to the Libertarians, and have a kegger.

Alternatively, your preferred candidate loses. What is your anti-celebration?

Sigh at the people's ignorance, apathy and go on with my life.

That would be "everyone" and "equated" and the rest is hard to follow, but I know how excited you are to see a real Marxist run the show here... By the way, you're Brasileiro, right? Hardly an insult to be called not American.

Awwww another ignorant right winger who doesnt seem to know what a "marxist" really is.


Id LOVE it if Obama was really a socialist. But hes not. To say he is shows ignorance of socialism or his policies.


But you know, I dont expect you do base your arguements in reality.

First, typo.

Second, thanks, I have GOT to stop making that mistake. (EDIT: Well, looking at the dictionary, that was no mistake. But is it less used? Or am I using it in the wrong context there? Help me out, I'm a translator. :p )


How to use equaled and and equated is going to depend on the context, as you said. I would say, "John's grades equaled Carol's on their last report cards". Equated isn't proper here. And I would also say "The President equated disagreement with disloyalty". Equaled isn't proper here.

I wish I could give you a grammar rule to follow and I'm sure there is one, but I'm not the grammar guy.

Awwww another ignorant right winger who doesnt seem to know what a "marxist" really is.


Id LOVE it if Obama was really a socialist. But hes not. To say he is shows ignorance of socialism or his policies.


But you know, I dont expect you do base your arguements in reality.
Actually, what constitutes Marxism is a pretty wide open question. Read the link that Heikou provided. If you include Neo-Marxism, then you really open up the field. But, then, you have trouble understanding new things, so I'll let it go.

Yeah, well when Obama loses I will be very happy and throw a party. If however he happens to win I will gladly pack my bags and any fellow republicans and move to Mexico.

Yeah, well when Obama loses I will be very happy and throw a party. If however he happens to win I will gladly pack my bags and any fellow republicans and move to Mexico.

Promise?

Actually, what constitutes Marxism is a pretty wide open question. Read the link that Heikou provided. If you include Neo-Marxism, then you really open up the field.

Yes, but not in the ways you think it does.

But, then, you have trouble understanding new things, so I'll let it go.

It must be nice not living in reality.

Yeah, well when Obama loses I will be very happy and throw a party. If however he happens to win I will gladly pack my bags and any fellow republicans and move to Mexico.

Dude, if you take as many Republicans with you to Mexico as you can, Ill pay for your gas.

Do I promise to throw a party for his defeat Yes I do. Would you like to be invited?

How to use equaled and and equated is going to depend on the context, as you said. I would say, "John's grades equaled Carol's on their last report cards". Equated isn't proper here. And I would also say "The President equated disagreement with disloyalty". Equaled isn't proper here.

I wish I could give you a grammar rule to follow and I'm sure there is one, but I'm not the grammar guy.

Mmm. I think I got it however. You may not be the grammar guy, but I am, and you provided me with the pattern - for which I thank you.

And... No. Obama doesn't fall under neo-marxism either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_marxism

Unless you're claiming that whoever worries about the fact that, say, Zimbabwe is an economical sh*thole is a Marxist. Then, you'd also be claiming McCain is one, Bush is one, you are one, and so on.

Language is a social construct, Myrmi. Definitions are not made by your decision alone, or else I could be calling you a giraffe and say that its valid definition is "person living in Georgia".

Do I promise to throw a party for his defeat Yes I do. Would you like to be invited?

He means do you promise to leave the country?

Because, speaking for myself at least, an Obama win and a mass Republican exodus would be like crack. And sex.

Thank you for the offer, but I wont need it since we wont lose.

Mmm. I think I got it however. You may not be the grammar guy, but I am.

And... No. Obama doesn't fall under neo-marxism either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_marxism

Unless you're claiming that whoever worries about the fact that, say, Zimbabwe is an economical sh*thole is a Marxist. Then, you'd also be claiming McCain is one, Bush is one, you are one, and so on.

Language is a social construct, Myrmi. Definitions are not made by your decision alone, or else I could be calling you a giraffe and say that its valid definition is "person living in Georgia".

Ssssshhh Myrm is allergic to reality. It makes him break out in hives.

Thank you for the offer, but I wont need it since we wont lose.

All the polls and maps say otherwise.


Man, it must be nice being so disconnected from reality.

Yeah, well when Obama loses I will be very happy and throw a party. If however he happens to win I will gladly pack my bags and any fellow republicans and move to Mexico.

Are you going to learn Spanish? That's pretty neat that you are thoughtful enough to also pack your fellow Republicans. If you need help moving, just ask; I have a pickup.

Thank you for the offer, but I wont need it since we wont lose.

Would you bet your soul on that if you could?

Mmm. I think I got it however. You may not be the grammar guy, but I am, and you provided me with the pattern - for which I thank you.

And... No. Obama doesn't fall under neo-marxism either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_marxism

Unless you're claiming that whoever worries about the fact that, say, Zimbabwe is an economical sh*thole is a Marxist. Then, you'd also be claiming McCain is one, Bush is one, you are one, and so on.

Language is a social construct, Myrmi. Definitions are not made by your decision alone, or else I could be calling you a giraffe and say that its valid definition is "person living in Georgia".


What did giraffes ever do to you?? :(

What did giraffes ever do to you?? :(

*Fighting back tears* I... Don't want to talk about it...

Man, if anyone but Obama wins, I'm breakin out the booze, the weed, the X, get my buddies and a bunch of fine-ass chicks, go out into the woods and party like there's no tomorrow!

If Obama wins, there very well might not be a tomorrow, so we'll probably build a fortified safehouse out in the middle of nowhere where we'll stockpile food, water, and weapons in preparation for the New World Order.

Man, if anyone but Obama wins, I'm breakin out the booze, the weed, the X, get my buddies and a bunch of fine-ass chicks, go out into the woods and party like there's no tomorrow!

If Obama wins, there very well might not be a tomorrow, so we'll probably build a fortified safehouse out in the middle of nowhere where we'll stockpile food, water, and weapons in preparation for the New World Order.

lol can I come with you?

*Fighting back tears* I... Don't want to talk about it...

Let it out, buddy. You're among friends, we won't ridicule you too much.

If Obama wins, there very well might not be a tomorrow, so we'll probably build a fortified safehouse out in the middle of nowhere where we'll stockpile food, water, and weapons in preparation for the New World Order.

Man, all these people are either on some really good shit or just dont live in reality. Youre making me want to try it.

@Man Dragon
We can think about it like this too. If Obama does win, then we are the ones who get to make fun of the President for the next four years.

Laughs as Democrats and Republican loses to the Libertarians, and have a kegger.



Sigh at the people's ignorance, apathy and go on with my life.

I'm always amused when "libertarians" bitch about other people's ignorance, considering the profound levels of the stuff it takes to not realize that a Barr presidency would be the single most destructive thing to happen to the United States in its history.

Man, all these people are either on some really good shit or just dont live in reality. Youre making me want to try it.

Funny... I could say the same about you starstruck Obama freaks

so we'll probably build a fortified safehouse out in the middle of nowhere

Promise?

Hey you guys, I have some serious news. Have you heard yet about this Marxist menace that is looming? Yes, it just came to light about a week ago, when certain point numbers refused to go up. It's mysterious and demonic, it stayed dormant through the whole campaign until recently! That's scary, do something about it!

Funny... I could say the same about you starstruck Obama freaks

we have a phrase for us "starstruck Obama freaks". We like to call ourselves "the majority"

Funny... I could say the same about you starstruck Obama freaks

http://www.idrewthis.org/comics/cult.gif


I have yet to hear an arguement against Obama that doesnt rely on lies, misinformation, or ignorance. Who knows, maybe you can be the first to provide one?


But I doubt it.

we have a phrase for us "starstruck Obama freaks". We like to call ourselves "the majority"

Fuckin' sigged.

we have a phrase for us "starstruck Obama freaks". We like to call ourselves "the majority"

I know, it's fuckin scary.

I know, it's fuckin scary.

Im sure to racists, xenophobes, fundamentalists, facists, and just the ignorant in general, its a waking nightmare.

we have a phrase for us "starstruck Obama freaks". We like to call ourselves "the majority"

Because, of course, the majority is always right.






That's sarcastic, for all of you who are too dumb to get it.

a.)shrug--I'm a social-sciences technician, not a politician. I don't do spoils, I work for the government, I'm a civil servant. I'm always there.

b.)shrug--I'm a social-sciences technician, not a politician. I don't do spoils, I work for the government, I'm a civil servant. I'm always there.

Obama wins, I'll probably go to the local bar and get shit-faced.

McCain wins, I'll look at moving to Canada.

Im sure to racists, xenophobes, fundamentalists, facists, and just the ignorant in general, its a waking nightmare.

You just listed groups of people I can't stand. Is that supposed to be a comeback against me?

You just listed groups of people I can't stand. Is that supposed to be a comeback against me?

Considering your comments in this thread, you surely fall into the ignorant catagory.

I know, it's fuckin scary.

It's about a million times scarier how GWB managed to squeeze through a victory, regardless of fraud or not. George W. Fucking Bush. We're talking about 1999 interviews and debate performances that made Sarah Palin look charming; though that's probably all because of her alleged physical appeal, but still. George W. Fucking Bush, and half of voters did it again 4 years later.

If that's not a million times scarier, I don't know what is.

It's about a million times scarier how GWB managed to squeeze through a victory, regardless of fraud or not. George W. Fucking Bush. We're talking about 1999 interviews and debate performances that made Sarah Palin look charming; though that's probably all because of her alleged physical appeal, but still. George W. Fucking Bush, and half of voters did it again 4 years later.

If that's not a million times scarier, I don't know what is.

lol no argument here.

And yes McCain is not W.

He's the guy who got bitchslapped by him then bent over to take it in the ass so he could stay relevant. Very strong mavericky fundamentals there. Then he has the gall to spew "country first" and attack with "he'll say anything to win". Got blasted at the debates, picks a prettier GWB as VP, and it's scary to not support him? Bullarkey.

Ahh that is true Kilogram we can say it was not our choice and insult the dems for four years, so I guess there would be reason to stay!

I don't support McCain. I didn't say anything about supporting McCain. I don't even support Barr. I just implied that Obama will do the greatest amount of damage (im gonna get flamed for this).

When Obama wins, I have a hell of a party.

Ahh that is true Kilogram we can say it was not our choice and insult the dems for four years, so I guess there would be reason to stay!

And I get to accuse you of being unAmerican and unpatriotic.


Really, it will be win win I guess.

I don't support McCain. I didn't say anything about supporting McCain. I don't even support Barr. I just implied that Obama will do the greatest amount of damage (im gonna get flamed for this).

Mainly out of some sort of morbid curiosity on my part, do you have someone you support? I can see you're economically as right-wing as it gets. Is there anyone you feel would represent you adequately?

I don't support McCain. I didn't say anything about supporting McCain. I don't even support Barr. I just implied that Obama will do the greatest amount of damage (im gonna get flamed for this).

Don't insult people's intelligence. By saying one choice is worse than others it automatically implies support for the other. Seriously, who do people think they are fooling with this? And if you think this is a "flame", it's not. I'm of the belief that people have the right to any cockamamie notions they desire.

Mainly out of some sort of morbid curiosity on my part, do you have someone you support? I can see you're economically as right-wing as it gets. Is there anyone you feel would represent you adequately?

As is the case with everyone, there is no single person that shares my views 100%. I liked Ron Paul and even volunteered for his campaign back in January. I also liked Wayne Allyn Root until he sold himself out by becoming Barr's running mate. So, purely because I don't want to see Obama get in (and because I hate simply not voting), I'm gonna have to hold my breath and pull the lever for McCain.

Simply put: None of them are gonna fix things, so I'm voting for who I think will screw shit up the least.

Don't insult people's intelligence. By saying one choice is worse than others it automatically implies support for the other. Seriously, who do people think they are fooling with this? And if you think this is a "flame", it's not. I'm of the belief that people have the right to any cockamamie notions they desire.

I understand that and that's why I just cleared it up. And I don't think your comment is a flame.

Only thing I really don't like about Obama is he speaks well but looks to be a closet racist. Watched more than a few news coverages of him and his staff is literally all black. At least McCain spatters his campain staff with minoritys. Obama has no hispanics or native americans that I could see. Doesn't even have a single white person in his campain staff =-( Now I may be wrong, but this is just from watching clips on MSNBC, CNN, FOX, ABC, and CBS of him walking around or at speaches. Again, those could be just staged but that's what I got from it.

(and it is just racism...there is no such thing as 'reverse racism')

No white people?

Did he fire Axelrod and Plouffe now? (You know, probably his two most important advisers.)

And at last he is dragged into admitting it. How lame and childish. Couldn't just be a man and say it out front. This is the McCain base in public.

I wasn't dragged into anything. I said what I wanted to say on each post. After I said I didn't like McCain, someone asked who I did like and I told them. That's it. Why couldn't you just be a man ask me yourself?

As is the case with everyone, there is no single person that shares my views 100%. I liked Ron Paul and even volunteered for his campaign back in January. I also liked Wayne Allyn Root until he sold himself out by becoming Barr's running mate. So, purely because I don't want to see Obama get in (and because I hate simply not voting), I'm gonna have to hold my breath and pull the lever for McCain.

Simply put: None of them are gonna fix things, so I'm voting for who I think will screw shit up the least.

I understand that and that's why I just cleared it up. And I don't think your comment is a flame.

Perhaps a rather personal question here... but I get the impression you're fairly anti tax. How much income do you make a year? Less than $250,000?

And, another question. Do you recieve any social security beneifts?

You don't have to answer, I realise those are personal questions, but if they answer is yes to question two or three (question one beiing not a yes or no question...) you MIGHT want to re-think your anti-Obama stance. Just a suggestion.

Perhaps a rather personal question here... but I get the impression you're fairly anti tax. How much income do you make a year? Less than $250,000?

And, another question. Do you recieve any social security beneifts?

You don't have to answer, I realise those are personal questions, but if they answer is yes to question two or three (question one beiing not a yes or no question...) you MIGHT want to re-think your anti-Obama stance. Just a suggestion.

I work for a security firm making about $42,000 a year currently and I do not receive social security benefits. I am anti-tax as far as I oppose our current progressive tax system. I would prefer a proportional tax where everyone gets 10% of their income taxed no matter how much they make (except those who are below the poverty line; I don't think they should have to pay taxes at all).

I'm gonna have to hold my breath and pull the lever for McCain.
Keep holding your breath: you'll turn blue :D

And I get to accuse you of being unAmerican and unpatriotic.


Really, it will be win win I guess.

You could, but being anti-current President is not equal to being unAmerican. Unless you mean something different from me when you say unAmerican and unpatriotic. You're argument is hampered by an equivocal term. Please clarify.

You could, but being anti-current President is not equal to being unAmerican.
Please try and explain that to the Republicans.

Please try and explain that to the Republicans.

I have. Most of them (including myself) admit that they are just tossing insults around. Everyone does it, and it is harmless so long as you don't take yourself too seriously, which many people here seem to do.

You could, but being anti-current President is not equal to being unAmerican. Unless you mean something different from me when you say unAmerican and unpatriotic. You're argument is hampered by an equivocal term. Please clarify.

You see, I got the "you're anti-current-President, ergo you're anti-American" claptrap thrown at ME for being against Bush. I KNOW it's specious, but now that OBAMA will be the President, I get to EXACT REVENGE. ;)

I have. Most of them (including myself) admit that they are just tossing insults around. Everyone does it, and it is harmless so long as you don't take yourself too seriously, which many people here seem to do.

It's not that simple. It's crafted to prevent debate, it's crafted to silence your opponents, and it's not fair play in a debate.

You see, I got the "you're anti-current-President, ergo you're anti-American" claptrap thrown at ME for being against Bush. I KNOW it's specious, but now that OBAMA will be the President, I get to EXACT REVENGE. ;)

You could, but revenge is petty and reveals an inferior intelligence.

It's not that simple. It's crafted to prevent debate, it's crafted to silence your opponents, and it's not fair play in a debate.

Good point. I apologize for oversimplification, but, however it is used, it still holds no true meaning.

You could, but revenge is petty and reveals an inferior intelligence.

Petty, yes.

Stupid, nope.

Emotionally stupid... mmmmmmaybe? :p

Petty, yes.

Stupid, nope.

Emotionally stupid... mmmmmmaybe? :p

OK, replace inferior intelligence with immaturity. But neither an idiot nor an immature person are worth taking seriously.

Good point. I apologize for oversimplification, but, however it is used, it still holds no true meaning.

It holds no true meaning, yes, but...

Well... I have a thing with arguing. I see it as akin to a sword fight. And, yes, it holds no true meaning, but it's like throwing sand on the eyes of the opponent...

OK, replace inferior intelligence with immaturity. But neither an idiot nor an immature person are worth taking seriously.

Oh, I am worth taking seriously.

About 50% of the time? Or so? >.>

I have. Most of them (including myself) admit that they are just tossing insults around. Everyone does it
NO. Not everybody does it. The Republican style of politics by insults, threats, and vicious slanders is why I don't just want that party defeated: I want it thrashed so badly that it disbands.

Oh, I am worth taking seriously.

About 50% of the time? Or so? >.>

Are you stating that you are immature (or of inferior intelligence). Please tell me then, why are you worth listening to?

NO. Not everybody does it. The Republican style of politics by insults, threats, and vicious slanders is why I don't just want that party defeated: I want it thrashed so badly that it disbands.

This.

I have nothing but contempt for the Republican party, and Im pretty much done pretending like I respect their opinions and views.

NO. Not everybody does it. The Republican style of politics by insults, threats, and vicious slanders is why I don't just want that party defeated: I want it thrashed so badly that it disbands.

If you can't see your own party doing it, you must be blind (and deaf, and without a sense of smell, taste, or touch).

Are you stating that you are immature (or of inferior intelligence). Please tell me then, why are you worth listening to?

Oh, bear in mind, I am quite mature on some things and less on some other things.

Like everyone, I think?

If you can't see your own party doing it, you must be blind (and deaf, and without a sense of smell, taste, or touch).
This is precisely the kind of crap I am talking about.

This is precisely the kind of crap I am talking about.

So when you believe that you and yours are perfect, but your opponents are idiots, etc., and someone points this out to you, you say that they are talking crap?

Aaaah...irony.

If McCain wins:
Go "Yay! He won!"

If Obama wins:
Go "Oh, well."

If anybody else wins:
Go "Oh, shit!"

REGARDLESS OF WHO WINS:

Mail them the following book:

Physics For Future Presidents: The Science Behind The Headlines (http://www.amazon.com/Physics-Future-Presidents-Science-Headlines/dp/0393066274/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225325674&sr=1-1), by Richard A. Muller

I have read this book, and my conclusion is that our Commander-In-Chief should do the same.

I don't have a preferred candidate. I will go yep well the world is still going to be screwed anyway nothing is going to change and then chuck on ClubV. If McCain wins and all the lefties who don't like it want to move away, I will hope that they don't come here.

If you can't see your own party doing it, you must be blind (and deaf, and without a sense of smell, taste, or touch).


I have some property you might be interested in buying. Its in this little place called reality.

So when you believe that you and yours are perfect
I never said such a thing. What I did say is that it is the Republican side whose style is characterized by insult-slinging and slanders.
, but your opponents are idiots, etc.
Didn't say that, either. I said that the Republican style is full of insult-slinging, etc.
, and someone points this out to you, you say that they are talking crap?
When someone resorts to insult-slinging, in a discussion of which side does more insult-slinging, it is certainly "Aah, Irony!"

So your candidate of choice wins the presidential election and you decide that you are going to celebrate. What do you do?
I'm going to party and drink the night away.


Alternatively, your preferred candidate loses. What is your anti-celebration?
Bad things. Like rioting.

Bad things. Like rioting.

I wont start the riots, but if the election appears to have been stolen, Ill sure be joining said riots.

This.

I have nothing but contempt for the Republican party, and Im pretty much done pretending like I respect their opinions and views.

I have more respect for out and out Fascists than the Republican Party. At least the former are honest about what they stand for.

I wont start the riots, but if the election appears to have been stolen, Ill sure be joining said riots.

We can riot together.

And if McCain wins... I frankly think if he does, it means the election was stolen.

We can riot together.

And if McCain wins... I frankly think if he does, it means the election was stolen.

Agreed. And I know for a fact in IL there will be riots.

Agreed. And I know for a fact in IL there will be riots.

Given the competence of observers from the OSCE and other entities, I would highly doubt that the election could easily be stolen.

Given the competence of observers from the OSCE and other entities, I would highly doubt that the election could easily be stolen.


We'll see.

We'll see.

I'm working with OSCE observers this year, they've been in all sorts of situations, including ones in which their lives may have been threatened (that's usually a dead giveaway, though). They can catch stuff, they can test the machines for a lot of what folks have charged as being weaknesses in touch screen machines, they intend to focus suppression experts on inner city precincts, and, not to mention, there's a lot of them.

And if McCain wins... I frankly think if he does, it means the election was stolen.

well I can see what is going to happen anyway, if McCain wins then instead of people thinking that maybe more people wanted McCain then Obama they are going to say that the GOP stole the election and/or the racists did this. Because that is the on;y two possible explanations as to why he might win.

well I can see what is going to happen anyway, if McCain wins then instead of people thinking that maybe more people wanted McCain then Obama they are going to say that the GOP stole the election and/or the racists did this. Because that is the on;y two possible explanations as to why he might win.

Yes. Yes it is. Look at all the polling data, the elecotral map data, and the GOP's history within the last 8 years.

I'm working with OSCE observers this year, they've been in all sorts of situations, including ones in which their lives may have been threatened (that's usually a dead giveaway, though). They can catch stuff, they can test the machines for a lot of what folks have charged as being weaknesses in touch screen machines, they intend to focus suppression experts on inner city precincts, and, not to mention, there's a lot of them.

This actually gives me comfort.

well I can see what is going to happen anyway, if McCain wins then instead of people thinking that maybe more people wanted McCain then Obama they are going to say that the GOP stole the election and/or the racists did this. Because that is the on;y two possible explanations as to why he might win.

At this point? Pretty much, yeah.

if obama wins, i will rejoice for americans and humanity,

if mccain wins, i will never go to the US again ....

Man, if anyone but Obama wins, I'm breakin out the booze, the weed, the X, get my buddies and a bunch of fine-ass chicks, go out into the woods and party like there's no tomorrow!

Odd...considering that Obama would be less likely to maintain or expand policies that would put you in prison for that X you plan to take, not to mention he's more likely to make sure that a marijuana conviction doesn't mean you're ineligible for federal student aid for the rest of your natural life.

I have nothing but contempt for the Republican party, and Im pretty much done pretending like I respect their opinions and views.

Agreed!

I don't think the Dems are anywhere approaching perfect...hell, they're hardly adequate, but I'm done with the Republicans. Bush and his policies were bad enough, but the sheer amount of illegal activity they're promoting this election to disenfranchise perfectly legal and legitimate voters has convinced me that democracy is a value that the Republicans have abandoned, and a party that isn't interested in democracy isn't getting my support.

If Obama wins, I'll quietly raise my glass...then watch closely to see what sort of initiatives he enacts that I can assist with or volunteer for at the local level.

If McCain wins, I'll be moving to Canada just as soon as I am able.

Say "Meh!" and go back to work-regardless of which candidate wins. Though, if Obama "The One" loses, I may have to avoid certain areas since I don't generally favour driving through riots.

If Obama wins, well, I'll just have to watch what I say, and who I say it to, and accept that it was a good run while it lasted, but America's gone. Hopefully I won't be one of the people marked for Elimination.

If Bob Barr wins... I have a heart attack.

If McCain wins, I go back to my computer and ignore him.

If Obama wins, I'll begin the presidential countdown timer, and monitor EVERY mistake that man makes!

I am not quite sure about either. If Obama wins, I will probably have a party. If McCain wins, I'll start working on ways to protect myself when the apocalypse comes.

Relax. I'm not even American and I know that there's an upside to McCain winning. Which is, of course guns will be so easy to obtain that, when the Zombie Hordes arise from their graves, every man, woman and child will be armed and ready (Presuming that we haven't all killed ourselves by then.)

Any loyal McCain fans out there, please don't take this to heart. Remember, I don't even belong to your country. :p
-The Social Ninjas

Mmm. I think I got it however. You may not be the grammar guy, but I am, and you provided me with the pattern - for which I thank you.

And... No. Obama doesn't fall under neo-marxism either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_marxism

Unless you're claiming that whoever worries about the fact that, say, Zimbabwe is an economical sh*thole is a Marxist. Then, you'd also be claiming McCain is one, Bush is one, you are one, and so on.

Language is a social construct, Myrmi. Definitions are not made by your decision alone, or else I could be calling you a giraffe and say that its valid definition is "person living in Georgia".
Glad to help. I know your use of language is important to you and if I ever do get hold of one of your documents, I don't want to see any mistakes:) One thing about English and patterns, and I'm sure you've also noticed, there are always exceptions. In your business, they probably arise at the most inopportune time.

As far as Obama goes, I couldn't care about the label that applies to him. I'm just waiting to see just how badly the economy suffers with his party at the helm. I doubt that there will be a bubble of any kind that will make him look like a hero

[Just a thought, idioms must give you fits, too]

Say "Meh!" and go back to work-regardless of which candidate wins. Though, if Obama "The One" loses, I may have to avoid certain areas since I don't generally favour driving through riots.

If Obama wins, well, I'll just have to watch what I say, and who I say it to, and accept that it was a good run while it lasted, but America's gone. Hopefully I won't be one of the people marked for Elimination.

I reread this hoping that it would make sense. It turns out I wasted my time.

Odd...considering that Obama would be less likely to maintain or expand policies that would put you in prison for that X you plan to take, not to mention he's more likely to make sure that a marijuana conviction doesn't mean you're ineligible for federal student aid for the rest of your natural life.
Yeah, that guy's response seemed a bit out of context with who he's rooting for.





I don't think the Dems are anywhere approaching perfect...hell, they're hardly adequate, but I'm done with the Republicans. Bush and his policies were bad enough, but the sheer amount of illegal activity they're promoting this election to disenfranchise perfectly legal and legitimate voters has convinced me that democracy is a value that the Republicans have abandoned, and a party that isn't interested in democracy isn't getting my support.

If Obama wins, I'll quietly raise my glass...then watch closely to see what sort of initiatives he enacts that I can assist with or volunteer for at the local level.

If McCain wins, I'll be moving to Canada just as soon as I am able.

The Republicans have to suppress the vote to win. They've had to for a few years now. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/U.S._party_affiliation.svg)


You're right, the Democratic Party isn't perfect. But you don't have to be anywhere near it to be way better than the Republicans.

If Obama wins, I'll think ''Well, that's nice'' and go either play games or to NSG. I'm not into politics as I'm only 14

If Obama wins, I'll think ''Well, that's nice'' and go either play games or to NSG. I'm not into politics as I'm only 14

Odd, for an NSGer. But then again, you're a n00b, so...

Odd, for an NSGer. But then again, you're a n00b, so...

I'm gradually getting into it, by being on NSG. But it will take some time for me get really into it.

A) Rejoice

B) Flip cars

I'm gradually getting into it, by being on NSG. But it will take some time for me get really into it.

When are the next Finnish elections?

the sheer amount of illegal activity they're promoting this election to disenfranchise perfectly legal and legitimate voters has convinced me that democracy is a value that the Republicans have abandoned

This is true, but it's not new. People just had to be slapped in the face with it several times to realize it was there, and it had to apex with the Bush era. Even the supporters of the party with a clue know this. They are elitists at heart and want things to stay the same; it goes without saying that they will never mouth any such words for the sake of the rank and file, but to them cheating and lies are legitimate means to power. People like Karl Rove and Richard Cheney represent this perfectly. They're under the belief that they can control the genie in the bottle.

Just a thought, idioms must give you fits, too

Oh, not at all. I mean, I only have difficulty sometimes, but I'm pretty sure I have used unflattering idioms at times when talking to you, for instance. :p

And others. :D

As it happens, I like knowing idioms, both here and there, and I make sure to get any. Besides, I have some English-speaking friends on YM I can ask for help with idioms from. (Said the translator, ending a sentence with a preposition).

Besides, there's a thing I have that I'm a bit proud of - an egotic pleasure on intellectual challenges, if you will. I'm sure you've seen me argue enough to realize that I ENJOY winning - and making a translation that works is also enjoyable, as is seeing one that's hard to crack. I tend to laugh, say "shit, I'm so screwed now", find a nice solution, go "Kyahaha, I'm a fucking genius!" and keep on the translation. As a result, idioms and other tough stuff are a bit like pepper on a dish for me.

Of course, I also have lots of trouble when I'm translating and the person who wrote the original text has a poor grasp of the language - either one. THAT irks me. My reaction tends to be "stupid, illiterate SOB" :p . (Or in Portuguese, and this translation is for free ( :D ) : "Analfabeto burro filho da puta!")

As it happens, I like knowing idioms, both here and there, and I make sure to get any. Besides, I have some English-speaking friends on YM I can ask for help with idioms from. (Said the translator, ending a sentence with a preposition).

Besides, there's a thing I have that I'm a bit proud of - an egotic pleasure on intellectual challenges, if you will. I'm sure you've seen me argue enough to realize that I ENJOY winning - and making a translation that works is also enjoyable, as is seeing one that's hard to crack. I tend to laugh, say "shit, I'm so screwed now", find a nice solution, go "Kyahaha, I'm a fucking genius!" and keep on the translation. As a result, idioms and other tough stuff are a bit like pepper on a dish for me.

Of course, I also have lots of trouble when I'm translating and the person who wrote the original text has a poor grasp of the language - either one. THAT irks me. My reaction tends to be "stupid, illiterate SOB" :p . (Or in Portuguese, and this translation is for free ( :D ) : "Analfabeto burro filho da puta!")

The feeling of accomplishment is something that should drive everyone. If all tasks were easy, life would be dull. Or, as I say around work, "If it were easy, anyone could do it".

So your candidate of choice wins the presidential election and you decide that you are going to celebrate. What do you do? enjoy the posts from both sides.

Alternatively, your preferred candidate loses. What is your anti-celebration? enjoy the posts from both sides.

you know... posts like this.
I am not quite sure about either. If Obama wins, I will probably have a party. If McCain wins, I'll start working on ways to protect myself when the apocalypse comes.

posts like these are very entertaining. :D

You guys are going to celebrate or protest the election results by debating grammar? Borrrrrrrrrrrrrring!

enjoy the posts from both sides.

enjoy the posts from both sides.

you know... posts like this.


posts like these are very entertaining. :D


Well it wasn't a great joke, but I'm glad you got something out of it.

Obama: Slightly improve opinion of U.S.
McCain: Slightly worsen opinion of U.S., find way to lower opinion of PaleoConservatives more
Other: Buy Duke Nukem Forever

A) Shake head sadly and marvel at how pathetic it is that this is the best the country has to offer.
B) Shake head sadly and marvel at how pathetic it is that this is the best the country has to offer.

A) Shake head sadly and marvel at how pathetic it is that this is the best the country has to offer.
B) Shake head sadly and marvel at how pathetic it is that this is the best the country has to offer.

Look man, we are working as fast as we can to clone Jesus. These things take time. What have you done for me lately?

Look man, we are working as fast as we can to clone Jesus. These things take time. What have you done for me lately?

You mean Obama isn't the messiah? :eek2:

You mean Obama isn't the messiah? :eek2:

The conservatives seem to think so

A) Shake head sadly and marvel at how pathetic it is that this is the best the country has to offer.
B) Shake head sadly and marvel at how pathetic it is that this is the best the country has to offer.
Clearly my ploy of waiting to back a candidate until the "real" ones show up isn't working. It looks like the real ones are out there already.

The conservatives seem to think so
Nah, that's the MSM that considers him to be the Second Coming...
http://newsbusters.org/static/2008/06/timesOnlineHalo.jpg

1) Be relieved. Then start being apprehensive.

2) If the 2004 election is any indication and considering that this time it would be even more inconceivable, have a miserable time, be unable to deal with US news for the next couple years, and lose another sizable amount of faith in mankind.

Nah, that's the MSM that considers him to be the Second Coming...
http://newsbusters.org/static/2008/06/timesOnlineHalo.jpg

I don't know what flavoring enhancement has to do with anything, but the only people I hear using 'Obama' and 'messiah' together in the same sentence are conservatives.

1) Be relieved. Then start being apprehensive.


Clearly the best course of action

Well it wasn't a great joke, but I'm glad you got something out of it.

the best joke so far is the "If Bush is Electec/Re-Elected, I'm leaving the country!"

so far, only one left. :tongue:

nah, that's the msm that considers him to be the second coming...
http://newsbusters.org/static/2008/06/timesonlinehalo.jpg

ebil libruhl media!

Nah, that's the MSM that considers him to be the Second Coming...
http://newsbusters.org/static/2008/06/timesOnlineHalo.jpg

not just MSM...
http://www.simonsays.com/assets/isbn/1416971440/C_1416971440.jpg

Linky (http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?tab=22&pid=628039)

:D

A) Breathe a well deserved sigh of relief

B) Bust out the crazy on my family and convince them to come to Canada with me.

Drink heavily
Drink heavily

Already said, but thats the plan. Only difference being the hangover. One will be painful and gloomy. The other will be shook off quickly with a steaming hot cup of coffee and a somewhat bright outlook of the future.

I don't know about afterwards, but here in Melbourne the count will be taking place on Wednesday afternoon. The electorate office where I work will close for the afternoon and we're off to the Plumbers' Union to watch the telecast. The interest in Australia is enormous. Apparently, according to a recent poll, 75% of Australians are hoping Obama will win.

I don't know about afterwards, but here in Melbourne the count will be taking place on Wednesday afternoon. The electorate office where I work will close for the afternoon and we're off to the Plumbers' Union to watch the telecast. The interest in Australia is enormous. Apparently, according to a recent poll, 75% of Australians are hoping Obama will win.

So you get a day off on Tuesday to watch a Horse race, and now you are taking Wednesday afternoon off to watch the counting of a foriegn election? Gee it's alright for some, just take off work. Is the plumbers union the one your MP affliated with? Also source please.

So you get a day off on Tuesday to watch a Horse race, and now you are taking Wednesday afternoon off to watch the counting of a foriegn election? Gee it's alright for some, just take off work. Is the plumbers union the one your MP affliated with? Also source please.

Bugger the horse race: it's just an excuse for a holiday. The son of one of my co-staffers is the secretary of the Union. Fiona gets on well with them.

Source:


Aussies jump on Obama bandwagon: survey

They may not have a vote in the United States presidential election but Australians appear to be as excited by the Barack Obama phenomenon as Americans.

The Democrat is the front-runner to beat Republican John McCain to win the US presidential election next Tuesday, making him the first black man to lead the world's premier superpower.

And, it seems, Australians have jumped on the Obama bandwagon too, according to a new study for the United States Studies Centre at the University of Sydney.

The survey - which polled both Australians and Americans - found that Australians prefer Obama over McCain by a margin of four to one.

But despite the overwhelming support for the Democratic contender, not all locals necessarily believe he would serve Australia's best interests.

Almost 50 per cent of Australians think he would make a better president "in terms of America's effect on things here in Australia" but 34 per cent see no difference whether Obama or McCain were to win.

Australian Simon Jackman, a professor of politics at Stanford University in California, says the Australian preference for Obama isn't predicated on what he can do for the US ally.

"Australians have this feelgood factor for Obama. If they could vote in the American presidential election they'd support Obama," he told AAP.

"Even the people who don't think it would make a difference, the impact on Australia, whether it's Obama or McCain, you're seeing Obama well ahead in that demographic.

"There's this huge enthusiasm for Obama ... when Australians think about Obama, they like what they see, without strings attached."

The survey also shows that Australians are less likely than Americans to have fallen for conspiracy theories that Obama, a Christian born of a Kenyan father and a white American mother, is actually a Muslim.

Nearly one in five Americans believe Obama is a Muslim, while only one in 20 Australians think the same.

Professor Jackman, a visiting professor at the US Studies Centre, says his research found that racial attitudes play a more critical role in American voting intentions than they do in Australia.

"There's a lot more racial conservatism in the United States," he said.

But it doesn't necessarily mean that Australians are less racist than Americans - the question refers to African Americans and makes no mention of indigenous Australians when the question is put to Australians.

"Just on that (the reference to African Americans) Australians look a lot more racially tolerant, racially liberal if you will," Prof Jackman said.

"You can look at the most conservative people we've got in our data on views about African Americans and still Obama never drops below about 50 per cent (support)."

Link (http://news.theage.com.au/national/aussies-jump-on-obama-bandwagon-survey-20081030-5bjq.html)

Bugger the horse race: it's just an excuse for a holiday. The son of one of my co-staffers is the secretary of the Union. Fiona gets on well with them.

I thought you were going to say what horse race? :p Yeah fair enough.

Source:
Link (http://news.theage.com.au/national/aussies-jump-on-obama-bandwagon-survey-20081030-5bjq.html)

Cheers, "jumping on the bandwagon" I like that, yeah I suppose a few good talks will do that to people. He should have come over here and held a rally then he might just have more support.

I have some property you might be interested in buying. Its in this little place called reality.

A reality that doesn't exist?

I never said such a thing. What I did say is that it is the Republican side whose style is characterized by insult-slinging and slanders.
When someone resorts to insult-slinging, in a discussion of which side does more insult-slinging, it is certainly "Aah, Irony!"

This is coming from the same party that said that Sarah Palin is a facist, anti-abortion loon that is going to run the White House when McCain dies....and then they go hide in a box in a corner and cry "mudslinging!!!!! Those Republican Menies!!!!" when Obama's record is called into question....

"Aah, Irony!"

I have more respect for out and out Fascists than the Republican Party. At least the former are honest about what they stand for.

So your saying that you are more of a Fascist than a Republican? Shows alot about your character...


And if McCain wins... I frankly think if he does, it means the election was stolen.

Again, this same Democratic tactic was used in the past 2 elections to make an excuse for losing the election, though I do think that a bribe was slipped under the door of a Floridian Polling Station....:)

Yes. Yes it is. Look at all the polling data, the elecotral map data, and the GOP's history within the last 8 years.

Yes, it shows that more people in the country are naturaly conservative and independents. As for the polls, they show squat. CNN said that Kerry was going to win by a 13 point margin....and it turns out that he lost by a 2 point margin. Ohh those polls are reliable all right.....

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But getting back to the orignal question

A) If McCain wins: Shrug my shoulders and get on with my life
B) If Obama wins: Wait and see how short of a time period it will take him to screw up the economy by taxing the rich (and corporations) and giving money to the poor.
C) If Bob Barr wins: Choke, Cry, and ROFL for a few months....

So your saying that you are more of a Fascist than a Republican? Shows alot about your character...


Lol, learn2read, dumbass.

CNN said that Kerry was going to win by a 13 point margin



When? 5 days before the election?


No, no they didnt.

I don't know what flavoring enhancement has to do with anything, but the only people I hear using 'Obama' and 'messiah' together in the same sentence are conservatives.
I've not heard of MSM as a flavor enhancement -- MSG, maybe? MSM is an arthritis relief food supplement. (It's amazing what one learns after turning 50)

ebil libruhl media!
Man, you are just on top of your game today, aren't you.

Lol, learn2read, dumbass.

Lol, learn to understand sarcasm

When? 5 days before the election?


No, no they didnt.

Actually they didn't say that it would be that margin, my bad, I have to give you that one (darn you :p)...I belive it was 8-6 points with a 1-2% margin of error.

However, the "National Election Poll" did state that (and it was on the day of the election) that Kerry would "win by a sweeping margin" of 13 points.

Lol, learn to understand sarcasm



Actually they didn't say that it would be that margin, my bad, I have to give you that one (darn you :p)...I belive it was 8-6 points with a 1-2% margin of error.

However, the "National Election Poll" did state that (and it was on the day of the election) that Kerry would "win by a sweeping margin" of 13 points.


Yet, 3 days before the election, Obama is ahead by at least 4 points (most by about 7) in every battleground state, and even in some traditionally red states (virginia?).

Kerry could never boast that.

Yes, but again, this is coming from polls who poll more Democrats than Republicans in this election...tell me how that is a "fair poll"?

True, Kerry could not boast such statistics, however, if you hadn't noticed, most of those margins are getting smaller and smaller (I think Bob Barr is an influence :)) by the day. An example is Florida, the polls from even the most liberal newspapers show that the race is tightned in the past few months, from an average 7 point margin to down to an average 2.5 margin, even some report that their is a tie.

Yes, but again, this is coming from polls who poll more Democrats than Republicans in this election...tell me how that is a "fair poll"?


When you randomly select a group of people and find that it has more Democrats than Republicans in it because thats what the population is like.

Just because the polls do not say what you want them to say does not make them unfair.

... Can I change my first answer?

should the cadidate I voted for wins... I would cry sad tears of victory.

because Gumby and Pooky winning means that no one wanted any of the candidates! :)

but that means more Campaigning as all parties scramble for new candidates! :(

When you randomly select a group of people and find that it has more Democrats than Republicans in it because thats what the population is like.

Just because the polls do not say what you want them to say does not make them unfair.

And yet they would not take the time to actually select places that had a ballance of both such as swing states? Or poll new people?

Yet polls everywhere are subject to bias, you can never truly trust polls, they could say one thing but are completely wrong...

And yet they would not take the time to actually select places that had a ballance of both such as swing states? Or poll new people?

Yet polls everywhere are subject to bias, you can never truly trust polls, they could say one thing but are completely wrong...

The last refuges of those who don't like what polls are saying ...

The last refuges of those who don't like what polls are saying ...

TBH, I never put much faith in polls either. I find it too distracting from what the candidates are saying.

Same with movie reviews. :tongue:

TBH, I never put much faith in polls either. I find it too distracting from what the candidates are saying.

Same with movie reviews. :tongue:

I agree about movie reviews :wink:

TBH, I never put much faith in polls either. I find it too distracting from what the candidates are saying.

Same with movie reviews. :tongue:

Depends on how you are using the polls. They don't influence my vote. They do help sometimes in predicting the future -- like the outcome of elections.

Depends on how you are using the polls. They don't influence my vote. They do help sometimes in predicting the future -- like the outcome of elections.

true.

but there are idots here...

not on NSG, but I mean those walking outside my building right now...

I overheard one person saying he's voting for Obama because "everyone else is". :(

1) call up my neocon brother and laugh my f***ing a** off. (especially if Obama wins Virginia, where my brother lives)

2) start looking for a job in New Brunswick.

1.) If Charles Jay wins, I will be wondering how Obama and McCain died so suddenly, while keeping the following promises,

Standing on the side of I-94, with a sign saying I love Jesus (Promised Jesus I would if he would let Charles Jay win)

Building homes for the homeless, (Promised Buddha I would.)

Donating large amounts of money to charity, (Promised Allah)

Missing the Soul I sold to the devil,

Hoping that G.W. doesn't bring the world to it's end before January 20

Spending time telling small children, that if they believe hard enough, anything is possible.

2.) If he doesn't win, I will not be surprised in the least,

and most likely be at home, watching the Obama rally on TV, to enjoy some good ol fashion rioting, when they try to pack over 1 million people, into a park that even the best estimates say will only hold a maximum of 700 thousand, and has held at the most 100 thousand up to now, in a city that already as too few police officers and has had the most murders of any US city this year to date.