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Well I venture to a local bar that serves over two hundred different beers.
Several Europeans on this forum have mentioned Chimay.
So I decide to try it.
My first glass was Chimay triple (white). I choose it because it was the only one on tap.
The beer was okay the first few sip but after that this pine taste over ran the beer. And to be perfectly honest I was getting ready in my drunk mind set to come and deride those who advocated the drinking of Chimay, because the beer ceases to be worth drinking after a few sips.
Luckily my friend who was a bartender there told me to try Chimay grand reserve(blue).

The beer is absolute heaven. Even if i must pay 5 dollars a bottle for Chimay at the bar. This is the beer i will drink whenever possible this si what beer perfected is.

anyways how does the red rate compared to the blue. somewhere in the middle ?

also any other trappist monasteries produce beer of this quality?


I forgot the best part my bartender friend got me the glass I drank chimay from. a very nice gold rimmed glass made just for chimay beer. or at least labeled as such.

I think the red is teh strongest.

To be honest it's not my cup of tea. But belgian beer is the best.

I think the red is teh strongest.

To be honest it's not my cup of tea. But belgian beer is the best.

wiki list the blue as the strongest at 9%. and red as the weakest at 7% (white at 8%) yeah. German beer is okay until you drink Bitburger. then you have found the one beer worse then Budweiser.

wiki list the blue as the strongest at 9%. and red as the weakest at 7% (white at 8%) yeah. German beer is okay until you drink Bitburger. then you have found the one beer worse then Budweiser.

Quite possibly. I only really drink beer when I am in Europe. Even the it is usually Stella. (Cold, fizzy nice bite. I kno' people think it's crap but it does the job for me).

I just vaguely remember drinking Chimay from years ago when I was over for teh WWI stuffs. I quite liked it. But as I said, I am not a beer expert at all.

Stella Artois is lovely. I used to drink Cooper's Pale Ale (come to Australia and try it)

I got used to English beers when I was over there and a Dublin Guiness is tasty indeed.

I'm not a beer drinker myself, but I have heard Leffe to be well recommended as well.

The beer is absolute heaven. Even if i must pay 5 dollars a bottle for Chimay at the bar. This is the beer i will drink whenever possible this si what beer perfected is.

Damn mate I have to pay at least 12 at a bar for Chimay Blue.

Stella Artois is lovely. I used to drink Cooper's Pale Ale (come to Australia and try it)

Stella is crap and is the VB of Belgium and England.

No stop right there Coopers Pale Ale, don't drink it it is shit, it is glorified home brew.

German beer is okay until you drink Bitburger. then you have found the one beer worse then Budweiser.

Seconded, I can't believe I used to think that it was good and will buy it but then I was only 18, before that I was drinking Crown Larger, now that is plain wrong.

And yes I agree with Eofaerwic Leffe is a good Belgium beer though I didn't like the Dark Leffe (that is not to say it is shit) actually I would also recommend though not a monastery beer Kwak and Hoegarrden Forbidden Fruit.

Not a fan of beer. I'm a rum guy.

wiki list the blue as the strongest at 9%. and red as the weakest at 7% (white at 8%) yeah. German beer is okay until you drink Bitburger. then you have found the one beer worse then Budweiser.

I raise you one "Milwaukee's Best."

If that's their best, it's a pretty sad fucking town.

Damn mate I have to pay at least 12 at a bar for Chimay Blue.



I think the price difference is caused by taxes. As in Americans don't tax our alcohol nearly as much as European countries. at another bar when i was younger and looking for a cheap drunk they have a weekly 25 cent long neck(335ml bottle) night.

Beer and Larger are disgusting... Certain types of wine, liquor, and ciders I can drink. :)

Beer and Larger are disgusting... Certain types of wine, liquor, and ciders I can drink. :)

how old are you ???
and is your taste only limited to Budweiser and miller ???

how old are you ???
and is your taste only limited to Budweiser and miller ???

I'm 23, and I can't stand either drink. Sorry but this Brit don't drink no beer, or larger.

I'm 23, and I can't stand either drink. Sorry but this Brit don't drink no beer, or larger.

sorry thought you were younger off your first relationship statement in the other thread.

sorry thought you were younger off your first relationship statement in the other thread.

Yeah well I started out in the relationship world a little later. I was waiting for the right person. :)

Beer and Larger are disgusting... Certain types of wine, liquor, and ciders I can drink. :)

a) it's lager, not larger
2) Lager is a type of beer. As are ales and stouts/porters


I love all the three major Chimays...there is one other, but it is very rare, and not sold commercially as far as I know (it is only for consumption in the abbey)

a) it's lager, not larger
2) Lager is a type of beer. As are ales and stouts/porters


I say meh. I still don't like the stuff.

a) it's lager, not larger
2) Lager is a type of beer. As are ales and stouts/porters


I love all the three major Chimays...there is one other, but it is very rare, and not sold commercially as far as I know (it is only for consumption in the abbey)

not necessarily, some people feel beer requires strict observance of the German purity law. where as ale can be used even if the purity is not maintained by mixing in pine needles or the like.
you can also get the 4th one in the town near the monastery. some sort of tourist draw i suppose.

not necessarily, some people feel beer requires strict observance of the German purity law. where as ale can be used even if the purity is not maintained by mixing in pine needles or the like.
you can also get the 4th one in the town near the monastery. some sort of tourist draw i suppose.

Doesn't change the fact that ale, lager, stout, and porter are subclasses of beer.

All of the subclasses can have adjuncts added, all can follow the german purity law. That doesn't change the fact that ale, lager, stout, and porter are subclasses of beer.
To clarify, "lager" and "ale" are only seperated by the yeast used...lager is cold fermented with bottom fermenting yeast, whereas ale is warm fermeneted with top fermenting yeast. Stouts and porters tend to use lager yeast and are defined by other characteristics (though, they could be categorized as a technical lager). Both can be made with or without adjuncts. Both can be made with lots of hops or very little hops. Both are always "beer", even if you want to follow the German rules.

Doesn't change the fact that ale, lager, stout, and porter are subclasses of beer.

All of the subclasses can have adjuncts added, all can follow the german purity law. That doesn't change the fact that ale, lager, stout, and porter are subclasses of beer.
To clarify, "lager" and "ale" are only seperated by the yeast used...lager is cold fermented with bottom fermenting yeast, whereas ale is warm fermeneted with top fermenting yeast. Stouts and porters tend to use lager yeast and are defined by other characteristics (though, they could be categorized as a technical lager). Both can be made with or without adjuncts. Both can be made with lots of hops or very little hops. Both are always "beer", even if you want to follow the German rules.

I am just saying some people/jurisdictions(state of Texas for one) use the term ale differently then you are.

I am just saying some people/jurisdictions(state of Texas for one) use the term ale differently then you are.

I'm curious how they are using it. Any links?

I do not know of anyone who does not recognize both ale and lager as beer...be it brewers, lawmakers, laymen, distributers, etc.

I'm curious how they are using it. Any links?

I do not know of anyone who does not recognize both ale and lager as beer...be it brewers, lawmakers, laymen, distributers, etc.

Texas places beer in a certain alcohol range. I think anything over 6% needs to be labeled ale in Texas.
http://chef2chef.net/news/foodservice/Editorial-Foodservice/Typical_Beer_Misconceptions.htm


and several micro brewers refuse to refer to anything with additives as beer. but will use ALE porter stout ETC. for instance they refer to oatmeal stout as a stout. but wont call it beer.

Stella Artois.

Carlsberg

Carling

Spitfire

Guinness.

You're set for life. As long as the beer is cold.

Texas places beer in a certain alcohol range. I think anything over 6% needs to be labeled ale in Texas.
http://chef2chef.net/news/foodservice/Editorial-Foodservice/Typical_Beer_Misconceptions.htm
Thats...strange. But then, welcome to Texas.

and several micro brewers refuse to refer to anything with additives as beer. but will use ALE porter stout ETC. for instance they refer to oatmeal stout as a stout. but wont call it beer.

That is because "stout" is the more accurate term. No microbrewer sells anything as "beer". Sam Adams, for example, sells Boston Lager, Boston Ale, Winter Lager, White Ale, Cream Stout, Hefeweizen, Black Lager, etc.
These are all beers, however, the term "beer" gives no information beyond "this is an alcoholic drink made with grains that isn't distilled". The second part of the name, be it lager, ale, stout, or porter, is there to give the drinker more information about what the beer is.
The only thing I've seen as being "beer" is cheap lagers like Bud Lite and its kin, and even those are identified as "lager" on much of the packaging and ads

Incidently, your source backs me up:
Ales are just strong beers. Well, in a word, no. A very strange and stupid labeling law in the state of Texas might have something to do with this one (a beer in a certain alcohol range must be labeled an ale in Texas no matter whether it was brewed with ale yeast or not). A beer can be an ale based solely on one thing, what general kind of yeast was used to produce it. Beers are (under most circumstances) either ales or lagers. An ale yeast is called a top fermenting yeast and will ferment at higher temperatures (65-75 F). A lager yeast is called a bottom fermenting yeast and ferments best at lower temperatures (40-55 F). Distinct qualities are imparted to the beer based on the yeast used.

Both are varieties of beer, same as "beer" and "wine" are subgroups of "alcoholic drinks".

You seem to be correct that Texas (incorrectly) labels beers by alcohol content. This is, however, wrong. Their mistake doesn't change "ale" and "lager" being beer.

I got used to English beers when I was over there and a Dublin Guiness is tasty indeed.

As much as I love the Irish, Guiness is like a pint of liquid lard. I truly hated it when I tried while in Co. Donegal.

I am seriously partial to Mexican beer like Dos XX (lager and amber). It has an amazing taste and, although I´m a Spanish patriot and I´m proud of all things from Spain, our beer does not begin to compare with the Mexican.

As much as I love the Irish, Guiness is like a pint of liquid lard. I truly hated it when I tried while in Co. Donegal.

I am seriously partial to Mexican beer like Dos XX (lager and amber). It has an amazing taste and, although I´m a Spanish patriot and I´m proud of all things from Spain, our beer does not begin to compare with the Mexican.

You know, I've never tried a Spanish beer...though, I've never been huge on Mexican beers...are they similar? Any you could suggest?

You know, I've never tried a Spanish beer...though, I've never been huge on Mexican beers...are they similar? Any you could suggest?

No, there´s a definite difference in taste. I find Mexican beer more wholesome in taste.

If you would like to try Spanish beers, I always recommend Estrella Galicia, Cruzacampo, Mahou and Alhambra. I like Estrella Galicia above the others, with Mahou coming on 2nd. place.

I raise you one "Milwaukee's Best."

If that's their best, it's a pretty sad fucking town.

I've been there for work, and it is a sad fucking town. Wisconsin's beast beer (imho) is Leininkugel, from Eau Claire area. Either the honey wheat or the berry Weiss are both good. If I'm going mid-end, but a drinkable beer, i try to get Yuengling.

As much as I love the Irish, Guiness is like a pint of liquid lard. I truly hated it when I tried while in Co. Donegal.

I am seriously partial to Mexican beer like Dos XX (lager and amber). It has an amazing taste and, although I´m a Spanish patriot and I´m proud of all things from Spain, our beer does not begin to compare with the Mexican.

XX is pretty decent, it's what I drink if/when I've gone there.

No, there´s a definite difference in taste. I find Mexican beer more wholesome in taste.

If you would like to try Spanish beers, I always recommend Estrella Galicia, Cruzacampo, Mahou and Alhambra. I like Estrella Galicia above the others, with Mahou coming on 2nd. place.

I'll have to see if I can hunt them down.

I usually find Mexican beers to be really light tasting...moreso than even the standard American lagers. Great for a hot day (we usually call them "Beach beer"), or getting drunk, but not always a favorite.

Thats...strange. But then, welcome to Texas.



That is because "stout" is the more accurate term. No microbrewer sells anything as "beer". Sam Adams, for example, sells Boston Lager, Boston Ale, Winter Lager, White Ale, Cream Stout, Hefeweizen, Black Lager, etc.
These are all beers, however, the term "beer" gives no information beyond "this is an alcoholic drink made with grains that isn't distilled". The second part of the name, be it lager, ale, stout, or porter, is there to give the drinker more information about what the beer is.
The only thing I've seen as being "beer" is cheap lagers like Bud Lite and its kin, and even those are identified as "lager" on much of the packaging and ads

let me explain more.
I was a waiter and the micro brewer was very specific over what was grouped as a beer and what wasn't, For when i was asked questions about the alcohol menu. And ever micro brewer had a differnt set of criteria. (went through two at the restaurant then i briefly worked at another place)

Incidently, your source backs me up:

only sourcing
about the Texas law.


Both are varieties of beer, same as "beer" and "wine" are subgroups of "alcoholic drinks".

You seem to be correct that Texas (incorrectly) labels beers by alcohol content. This is, however, wrong. Their mistake doesn't change "ale" and "lager" being beer.

I would argue that you, or anyone else has no more claim, to the English language then the Texas legislature. While in Texas I suggest you go by what they say if you want something stronger then 6.0%. Likewise I would go by what the Microbrewer says while working at a micro brewery.

I'll have to see if I can hunt them down.

I usually find Mexican beers to be really light tasting...moreso than even the standard American lagers. Great for a hot day (we usually call them "Beach beer"), or getting drunk, but not always a favorite.

I´m not much of a beer drinker. But I guess living with a Mexican guy makes one get used to certain things. I do like my wine.

If you like strong beers, La Export Zaragozana (Spain) and Tecate (Mexican) should also satisfy you. I did not like Tecate while in Mexico, but it´s kinda strong.

let me explain more.
I was a waiter and the micro brewer was very specific over what was grouped as a beer and what wasn't, For when i was asked questions about the alcohol menu. And ever micro brewer had a differnt set of criteria. (went through two at the restaurant then i briefly worked at another place)

only sourcing
about the Texas law.


I would argue that you, or anyone else has no more claim, to the English language then the Texas legislature. While in Texas I suggest you go by what they say if you want something stronger then 6.0%. Likewise I would go by what the Microbrewer says while working at a micro brewery.
I worked at a place that served 112 taps and 450 bottles of beer. My training was about what is "ale", "lager", and most of the subcategories. Perhaps it was different because of laws in your area, but that doesn't change the facts of beer. Ales and lagers are always beer. What are some examples of a beer that is sold specifically as "beer", and not some other, more accurate, name?

And yes, when someone uses a word without regard to its actual meaning, they are wrong. they are essentially saying "all dogs under 25 pounds are Chihuahuas, all dogs over 25 pounds are St. Bernards".

I´m not much of a beer drinker. But I guess living with a Mexican guy makes one get used to certain things. I do like my wine.

If you like strong beers, La Export Zaragozana (Spain) and Tecate (Mexican) should also satisfy you. I did not like Tecate while in Mexico, but it´s kinda strong.

I got Tecate a while ago on a whim...not awful, but not favorite.

I worked at a place that served 112 taps and 450 bottles of beer. Perhaps it was different because of laws in your area, but that doesn't change the facts of beer. Ales and lagers are always beer. What are some examples of a beer that is sold specifically as "beer", and not some other, more accurate, name?

like my English teacher always said speak like whoever signs the paycheck. though i think it has to do with where the brewer was trained. 2 German trained brewers and 1 Irish trained brewer.

also was it a place that brewed its beer or just a place serving it out of bottles and kegs.

I got Tecate a while ago on a whim...not awful, but not favorite.

My stepfather enjoys Samuel Adams Light and Samuel Adams amber. He tried while in NY one of the ale kinds, he also liked it. But American beers are not always easy to find in Spain. I like Michelob Ultra, and if I´m in the States and go to a bar, I always order it. Perhaps not the best beer, but I find it soft and with a good taste.

I got Tecate a while ago on a whim...not awful, but not favorite.

Tecate is what i drink for really cheap beer when i want to get trashed. slightly better then bud and miller and cheaper too.

or if i really dont care and want to be totally blitzed i go steel reserve.

like my English teacher always said speak like whoever signs the paycheck. though i think it has to do with where the brewer was trained. 2 German trained brewers and 1 Irish trained brewer.

also was it a place that brewed its beer or just a place serving it out of bottles and kegs.That place was bottles and kegs. I've worked a micro before, but my training came from that one.

Even German and Irish brewers will say that ales are beers. I can say that with decent confidence after talking to many at assorted regional beer festivals. I've never heard of anyone selling something as just "beer", as it doesn't tell the drinker anything. Even with Texas requiring "beer" vs. "ale" lableing, I'm fairly certain Sam Adams still sells under their standard English trade names (this I may be wrong about).

For example, the Boston Lager and Boston Ale have similar alcohol content (both under 5% ABV)...I can't see them selling "Boston Lager" and "Boston Beer".

For further backing, here's a link to Beer Advocate
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/style

My stepfather enjoys Samuel Adams Light and Samuel Adams amber. He tried while in NY one of the ale kinds, he also liked it. But American beers are not always easy to find in Spain. I like Michelob Ultra, and if I´m in the States and go to a bar, I always order it. Perhaps not the best beer, but I find it soft and with a good taste.
Hmm...Sam Adams Amber, eh? They don't sell it under that name here...wonder which it is...haha

maybe I'll ship you some good American/New England beers...most of ours are really small microbreweries, that barely ship a few states away.

Tecate is what i drink for really cheap beer when i want to get trashed. slightly better then bud and miller and cheaper too.

or if i really dont care and want to be totally blitzed i go steel reserve.

my "fuck it...I'm broke and need to get shitty" beer is Natty Ice, so I can't pass judgement. My cheap standby is Bud Light, and my decent standby is Harpoon IPA or Sam Boston Lager

Hmm...Sam Adams Amber, eh? They don't sell it under that name here...wonder which it is...haha

That´s all I remember from the Sam Adams bottle. It said something or other and then -amber-.:p

I'll ship you some good American/New England beers...most of ours are really small microbreweries, that barely ship a few states away.

That would be cool. I think microbreweries make better tasting beer than the major beer companies.

my "fuck it...I'm broke and need to get shitty" beer is Natty Ice, so I can't pass judgement.

Or King Cobra, the 40 is like 1.50 (US dollars) or something like that.:eek2:

That´s all I remember from the Sam Adams bottle. It said something or other and then -amber-.:p



That would be cool. I think microbreweries make better tasting beer than the major beer companies.
you know...some of the majors have started making some pretty decent beers...Blue Moon and all those, for example.

I'll bet it was Sam Adams Boston Lager...look like this?
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/35/104

Or King Cobra, the 40 is like 1.50 (US dollars) or something like that.:eek2:

cheapest I can swing here is about $5 for a 40 of St. Ides. Good times start there...haha

I'll bet it was Sam Adams Boston Lager...look like this?
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/35/104

Yes sir. That be the one.

When I went to St. Marteen last January, I tried Presidente (http://www.shopdr.com/store/images/thumbs/t_16296.jpg) (from the Dominican republic) and Markel (I presume it´s a local St. Marteen beer). Both are quite good.

That place was bottles and kegs. I've worked a micro before, but my training came from that one.

Even German and Irish brewers will say that ales are beers. I can say that with decent confidence after talking to many at assorted regional beer festivals. I've never heard of anyone selling something as just "beer", as it doesn't tell the drinker anything. Even with Texas requiring "beer" vs. "ale" lableing, I'm fairly certain Sam Adams still sells under their standard English trade names (this I may be wrong about).

the case/keg has to be labeled "Ale in Texas" the bottle can say whatever as that's considered part of the name of the beer.

I think it might be people trying to discount brews from a different school of brewery.

Also the Irish guy would throw customers out for calling Budweiser beer.


For example, the Boston Lager and Boston Ale have similar alcohol content (both under 5% ABV)...I can't see them selling "Boston Lager" and "Boston Beer".

For further backing, here's a link to Beer Advocate
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/style

they don't sign my paycheck. If you insist that something is an ale not a beer and you sign my paycheck i will agree.

Yes sir. That be the one.

When I went to St. Marteen last January, I tried Presidente (http://www.shopdr.com/store/images/thumbs/t_16296.jpg) (from the Dominican republic) and Markel (I presume it´s a local beer). Both are quite good.

You might like Imperial, a Costa Rican beer.

I tried Bucanero from Cuba while i was down in the caribbean...went really well with the food.

Perhaps I will try some new booze at some point... though it has been a while.

You might like Imperial, a Costa Rican beer.

I tried Bucanero from Cuba while i was down in the caribbean...went really well with the food.

I´ll have those in mind for when I travel to the Caribbean again.

Medalla Light (http://www.alimentariaonline.com/apadmin/img/upload/medallalight2.jpg)´s also good. (Puerto Rican beer)

the case/keg has to be labeled "Ale in Texas" the bottle can say whatever as that's considered part of the name of the beer. gotcha.

I think it might be people trying to discount brews from a different school of brewery. See, I've met lots of people from different breweries, from Stone to Sam to Harpoon to Budweiser...and I've never heard anyone consider ale and/or lager to not be a form of beer. It is like arguing that white is wine, but red isn't. The process is mildly different, but the similarities (what is fermented, distilling, etc) are identical for the most part.

No one would argue that red and white are not "wine". No one would argue that potato and grape are not "vodka". I don't see why anyone would argue "ale" and "lager" are not beer. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares.

Also the Irish guy would throw customers out for calling Budweiser beer. haha...there isn't a jury in the world that would convict him.

That is an old world thing of saying "but Budweiser isn't real beer! It has corn in it!"...Budweiser is an American Lager, which many Europeans like to discredit.

It's still beer, just not by the purity laws (and certain peoples arrogance)

they don't sign my paycheck. If you insist that something is an ale not a beer and you sign my paycheck i will agree.
I would never insist that Ale isn't beer. That's been the basis of my argument.

gotcha.

See, I've met lots of people from different breweries, from Stone to Sam to Harpoon to Budweiser...and I've never heard anyone consider ale and/or lager to not be a form of beer. It is like arguing that white is wine, but red isn't. The process is mildly different, but the similarities (what is fermented, distilling, etc) are identical for the most part.

No one would argue that red and white are not "wine". No one would argue that potato and grape are not "vodka". I don't see why anyone would argue "ale" and "lager" are not beer. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares.
Ive met French who insist that white is not a true wine.
and Ive read accounts of wine made form barley which contradicts most modern wine making guides. (given these were to get ergot more then alcohol, for tripping purposes)

haha...there isn't a jury in the world that would convict him.

That is an old world thing of saying "but Budweiser isn't real beer! It has corn in it!"...Budweiser is an American Lager, which many Europeans like to discredit.

It's still beer, just not by the purity laws (and certain peoples arrogance)


I would never insist that Ale isn't beer. That's been the basis of my argument.

My advice is if saying Ale is not a beer get you a job then agree with it. It is far better to be rich and wrong then right and poor especially on technicalities.

Ive met French who insist that white is not a true wine.
and Ive read accounts of wine made form barley which contradicts most modern wine making guides. (given these were to get ergot more then alcohol, for tripping purposes)
When's the last time we've cared about the French? They still claim Americans can't make wine, despite us winning in international competitions...
Interestingly, barleywine is a type of beer (not sure if there is another actual wine made from barley...wine is my weak spot in the world of alcohol)

My advice is if saying Ale is not a beer get you a job then agree with it. It is far better to be rich and wrong then right and poor especially on technicalities.If I have a job riding on my ability to identify beer, there's a distinct problem (I'm trying to get into education).

Though, you are the first person to debate with me on alcohol since the "is 'whiskey' the same as 'whisky'" debates. It's always good fun.

When's the last time we've cared about the French? They still claim Americans can't make wine, despite us winning in international competitions...
Interestingly, barleywine is a type of beer (not sure if there is another actual wine made from barley...wine is my weak spot in the world of alcohol)

referring to a different thing. this has about .04% alcohol and was made in ancient times by priest to get a trip on. hence the ergot.
Now we just make LSD. the process however was very close to wine making.

If I have a job riding on my ability to identify beer, there's a distinct problem (I'm trying to get into education).
could be the difference between being a poor college student and a rich one with a nice car and the ability to get laid easily. Not to mention work in an alcohol field also helps to get one laid

Though, you are the first person to debate with me on alcohol since the "is 'whiskey' the same as 'whisky'" debates. It's always good fun.

Oh god. Like arguing with people form Kentucky about what constitutes Bourbon.

referring to a different thing. this has about .04% alcohol and was made in ancient times by priest to get a trip on. hence the ergot. huh...strange.
Now we just make LSD. the process however was very close to wine making.
could be the difference between being a poor college student and a rich one with a nice car and the ability to get laid easily. Not to mention work in an alcohol field also helps to get one laid
haha...tell me about it. Good times, however. I need to get back to that place. I hate my current job (surprisingly, serving tables is not the same job regardless of location.)

Oh god. Like arguing with people form Kentucky about what constitutes Bourbon.
Or the difference between "champagne" and "sparkling wine"

Texas places beer in a certain alcohol range. I think anything over 6% needs to be labeled ale in Texas.
http://chef2chef.net/news/foodservice/Editorial-Foodservice/Typical_Beer_Misconceptions.htm


and several micro brewers refuse to refer to anything with additives as beer. but will use ALE porter stout ETC. for instance they refer to oatmeal stout as a stout. but wont call it beer.

lol, and people wonder why Americans don't know what beers are.

I think the price difference is caused by taxes. As in Americans don't tax our alcohol nearly as much as European countries. at another bar when i was younger and looking for a cheap drunk they have a weekly 25 cent long neck(335ml bottle) night.

25 cents for a stubbie? Long necks over here are much bigger 750ml.

Damn, now what town do you live in again?

Ayinger Doppelbock, FTW.

lol, and people wonder why Americans don't know what beers are.

It's nothing a visit to a fine microbrew pub won't fix.

May I recommend:

Sacramento (California) area: Sudwerk, Hoppy Brewing Co., Rubicon Brewing Co.

Hood River (Oregon): Full Sail

Portland (OR): Any McMenamin's establishment

Seattle: Pike Place Brewery, Hale's, Red Hook Brewery, Scuttlebutt, Flying Pig

Port Huron (Michigan): Quay Street Brewery, The Raven

25 cents for a stubbie? Long necks over here are much bigger 750ml.

Damn, now what town do you live in again?

Huntsville Tx. the club that does the 25 cent bottles is the jolly fox. they also do 10 cent drafts but they use 6 oz cups for that(buy a tray of 10 and drink em like shots). 12 oz is the standard beer size here for can and cup and 16 oz (pint) for draft. Anything else is either some import or exotic available only in that size or just something in a grocery store/beer store.

I´m not much of a beer drinker. But I guess living with a Mexican guy makes one get used to certain things. I do like my wine.

If you like strong beers, La Export Zaragozana (Spain) and Tecate (Mexican) should also satisfy you. I did not like Tecate while in Mexico, but it´s kinda strong.

Tecate is awful.

No, there´s a definite difference in taste. I find Mexican beer more wholesome in taste.

If you would like to try Spanish beers, I always recommend Estrella Galicia, Cruzacampo, Mahou and Alhambra. I like Estrella Galicia above the others, with Mahou coming on 2nd. place.

Alhambra was all right, Mahou was better. A lot of times they wouldn't tell me what kind I was getting at restaurants though. They usually only had one kind. I've never really been much of a light beer kind of guy. I prefer porters and stouts and other dark, heavy beers. That's why my favorite Mexican beer is Negra Modelo, though I also like the Dos Equis brown bottle beer. Is it supposed to be called "Amber"?

I've been there for work, and it is a sad fucking town. Wisconsin's beast beer (imho) is Leininkugel, from Eau Claire area. Either the honey wheat or the berry Weiss are both good. If I'm going mid-end, but a drinkable beer, i try to get Yuengling.



I'll keep that in mind. I'm always hearing Yuengling mentioned, but I've never seen any of it anywhere.

Personally, my favorite brewery is Anchor. But that might just be because it's both good and local.

Alhambra was all right, Mahou was better. A lot of times they wouldn't tell me what kind I was getting at restaurants though. They usually only had one kind. I've never really been much of a light beer kind of guy. I prefer porters and stouts and other dark, heavy beers. That's why my favorite Mexican beer is Negra Modelo, though I also like the Dos Equis brown bottle beer. Is it supposed to be called "Amber"?

Yep...brown bottle is their amber

Tecate is awful.

It is an awful beer, but people that like strong beer tend to like it. (and by that I mean my finace's family) I don't, but I've always said it, I'm not much of a beer drinker. I like my wine much better.

It is an awful beer, but people that like strong beer tend to like it. (and by that I mean my finace's family) I don't, but I've always said it, I'm not much of a beer drinker. I like my wine much better.

Well, wine is much more enjoyable. :)

Personally, my favorite brewery is Anchor. But that might just be because it's both good and local.

Anchor Steam isn't bad, but it's a bit light for my tastes. I prefer really dark, strong ales like Bell's Best Brown Ale or Pelforth Brune.

Alhambra was all right, Mahou was better. A lot of times they wouldn't tell me what kind I was getting at restaurants though. They usually only had one kind.

When in Madrid, people tend to drink Mahou. When I'm in Madrid that's all I drink, besides having wine. When I visit Asturias to see my family, I drink cider and, if I feel like having a beer, I have Estrella Damm.

I've never really been much of a light beer kind of guy. I prefer porters and stouts and other dark, heavy beers. That's why my favorite Mexican beer is Negra Modelo, though I also like the Dos Equis brown bottle beer. Is it supposed to be called "Amber"?

Yup, "ambar" is the Mexican dark beer.

I always thought people in Latin America just got drunk off pissed in bottles and sold it to Americans in the US calling it beer.

Anchor Steam isn't bad, but it's a bit light for my tastes. I prefer really dark, strong ales like Bell's Best Brown Ale or Pelforth Brune.

Have you tried Anchor Porter? I can never really decide if I like Anchor Steam or their Porter better.

Yup, "ambar" is the Mexican dark beer.

As much as I like Dos Equis, I still like Negra Modelo better.

As much as I like Dos Equis, I still like Negra Modelo better.

I''ve never had Negra Modelo. I'll have it in mind for the next time I go to Mexico.

Well, wine is much more enjoyable. :)

Sez you.

Wine is too different to compare.

Well, wine is much more enjoyable. :)

tiems to drink beer and times to drink wine.

Have you tried Anchor Porter? I can never really decide if I like Anchor Steam or their Porter better.

No, they don't sell it where I live. Anchor Steam is the only Anchor (hell, the only Californian) beer around, although the porter would probably go over better. People in cold climates seem to prefer darker beers and the lighter (color, that is) beer market is saturated with Bell's Oberon, which is highly popular, and Leinenkugel's Sunset Wheat.