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Anyone else here on NSG play Warhammer?

If you do, tell us army, or armies, you play!

Now I just got into warhammer about two months ago. My friends and I have wanted to play for a while, but were turned off by the price. We finally decided to dive in, however, and there is going to be group of 4 of us playing, with another 4 who will play, but not as much.

My firs army is the Dark Elf army. I've got a pretty nice army, and haven't done too badly so far. I need to play more to work out the kinks of the army, and develop some strategies for it- and figure out how to use magic.

I've also got a nice start on an Empire army. I think I'll probably end up playing Empire the most, as the Empire appeals more to me than the Dark Elves. (I probably should have bought the Empire first and not bought any Dark Elves as that would have saved me some money).

I've got bits and pieces of many other armies as well.

Anyways, enough rambling.

Do you play warhammer? What army do you play? What army do you like the most? Which do you like the least?

Discuss Warhammer!

I used to play Warhammer 40k in my Teenage years, I had a Chaos Space Marine army.

But I don't play that any more.

I played a Marauder heavy Hordes of Chaos army for a while, but sold it for more Imperial Guardsmen.

Oh God. This thread will soon turn into something dominated by me and Neo Bret.

Fantasy:
Warriors of Chaos
Beasts of Chaos
Daemons of Chaos

All Mono-God Slaanesh

I also have some Lizardmen (small 1000 pt force) that Im selling.

Contemplating starting Empire.

40K:
Night Lords Chaos Space Marines
White Scars Space Marines

I see that you favour the dark side, KoL. ;)

I played a Marauder heavy Hordes of Chaos army for a while, but sold it for more Imperial Guardsmen.

WHAT!!!! you sold them for squads of flashlights

Oh God. This thread will soon turn into something dominated by me and Neo Bret.


Damn skippy.

My main army is:

(brace yourself)

Bretonnia.

Also for WFB I have:

Dark Elves
Vampire Counts

And my wife and I are jointly working on a Tomb Kings army.

in 40K I have Black Templars and I'm starting a Tau army.

At the moment my project is a model of the Red Duke from the flavor text in the VC book. Here's a link to a thread where I've posted a couple of pics and will be adding more as I progress:
The Army of the Red Duke (http://www.roundtable-bretonnia.org/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=87&func=view&id=56428&catid=25)

Basically, for the Red Duke of Aquitaine I'm using a Bretonnian Lord (The one with the dragon crest) on a Bretonnian Pegasus with the batlike wings from the Dark Elf Morathi's Dark Pegasus. I've used a bat from a bat swarm blister back as the crest on the helmet, and so far so good. The idea here is to model a Hellsteed.

Which reminds me, I need to upload more pics soon...

40k baby Dark Eldar fuckin rape. Incubi squads that bare rushed into combat on a transport kick ass. They get 2 attacks in combat I 6 WS 6 S4 T4 power weapons and a lord.

I don't have any Warhammer Fantasy armies, but I have some 40k.
My main army is Black Templars, and I also have a smaller amount of both Imperial Guard and Chaos.

Ooooh, Warhammer! :D

Been playing for years now...I've got a bunch of armies.

Warhammer 40K-
Imperial Guard
Space Marines (own chapter)
Daemonhunters

Warhammer-
Bretonnia
Empire (just getting started with this one)

I also have a mixed Imperial Navy/Space Marine fleet for Battlefleet Gothic.

I think I prefered the old Warhammer 40k. Abbadon the Despoiler was almost unstoppable with the old rules. :D

Out of about 30 battles, I only ever lost 5.

<Some stuff written on the 'net>Wait, what. Why are you still here when you shouldn't be ('http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536264')?

I think I prefered the old Warhammer 40k. Abbadon the Despoiler was almost unstoppable with the old rules. :D

DE Dark Lancers. nedded a 2 to hit anything S5 AP 2

WHAT!!!! you sold them for squads of flashlights

Many, many squads of them. At last count I have 162 lasguns, 20 plasma guns, 18 grenade launchers, 8 meltaguns, 8 flamers, 12 heavy bolters, 12 missile launchers, 12 lascannons, 6 autocannons, 3 mortars, 4 officers (2 w/pfists 2 w/bp+ccw) 5 Ratlings, 5 Attlian Rough Riders, 3 Sentinels, 2 Hellhounds, 4 Chimerae, 4 Leman Russ, 2 Demolishers, 1 Vanquisher, 1 Exterminator, 1 techpriest, 4 psykers, 2 commisars and other various things like standard bearers and medics.

I really hope the new Guard book has more of the 40k weirdness that I love about the Guard and gives me a reason to take priests and such.

DE Dark Lancers. nedded a 2 to hit anything S5 AP 2

Wow. That IS overpowered.

What are the new rules like anyway? I have not played in years.

Beh I have a 40k Biel-tan eldar army, but I haven't played in years.

I see that you favour the dark side, KoL. ;)

Damn straight. However, all Chaos armies used to be compatable. You used to be able to mix and match from Chaos books (and daemons were included with the Hordes of Chaos book), so I used to have a Mortal Slaanesh chaos army led by a chaos lord, with beast herds and daemons thrown in.

Cant do that anymore, and I figured my daemons and herds would be a good starting point for new armies.

At the moment my project is a model of the Red Duke from the flavor text in the VC book. Here's a link to a thread where I've posted a couple of pics and will be adding more as I progress:
The Army of the Red Duke (http://www.roundtable-bretonnia.org/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=87&func=view&id=56428&catid=25)

Basically, for the Red Duke of Aquitaine I'm using a Bretonnian Lord (The one with the dragon crest) on a Bretonnian Pegasus with the batlike wings from the Dark Elf Morathi's Dark Pegasus. I've used a bat from a bat swarm blister back as the crest on the helmet, and so far so good. The idea here is to model a Hellsteed.



Pretty....

Damn straight. However, all Chaos armies used to be compatable. You used to be able to mix and match from Chaos books (and daemons were included with the Hordes of Chaos book), so I used to have a Mortal Slaanesh chaos army led by a chaos lord, with beast herds and daemons thrown in.

I tended to go with Khorne and Nurgle. I used Nurgle demons, and the superior Khorne Bezerkers to wipe out assaut squads. :)

Oh God. This thread will soon turn into something dominated by me and Neo Bret.

What the hell, I don't count?

Daemons of chaos and vampire counts for fantasy

Chaos Space Marines, Daemons of Chaos, and "evil" (IE proxy with chaos figures) space marines for 40k.

I tended to go with Khorne and Nurgle. I used Nurgle demons, and the superior Khorne Bezerkers to wipe out assaut squads. :)

the new daemons of chaos book for 40k, bloodletters are SICK, utterly disgusting. Like berzerkers with power weapons.

Damn straight. However, all Chaos armies used to be compatable. You used to be able to mix and match from Chaos books (and daemons were included with the Hordes of Chaos book), so I used to have a Mortal Slaanesh chaos army led by a chaos lord, with beast herds and daemons thrown in.

Cant do that anymore, and I figured my daemons and herds would be a good starting point for new armies.


And good riddance to that rule, too :P

My buddy was mixing Hordes and Daemons in an all Khorne list that was damn near unstoppable unless you could slug it out with them, and there aren't many units in the game that can do that, especially with the fear causing. I used to throw hordes of Knights Errant so they could charge with immunity to Psych and then hope like hell for lots of good rolls.


Pretty....

Thanks!

What the hell, I don't count?


No. :p

Oh righ, sorry. Its just you usually dont join in the nerdy circle jerk that either me or Neo Bret start :p

As an aside, I had my first game with the new Warriors of Chaos yesterday against an Empire army. 1500 points. Pulled a draw. Not bad, considering my list was less then optimal (made from what I had on me at the time, rather then what I could use, some models were still at home).


New Chaos Warriors are sick.

Neo B, have you considered grail knights for knights of the blood keep proxy?

What the hell, I don't count?


Yeah show some respect to this man. He's my VC mentor ;)

No.:p

so, what you think of daemons of chaos for 40k and fantasy? The new books I mean.

Also, I was working on a couple of squads of Adeptus Arbites (using Inquisitorial Stormtrooper rules from the Witchhunter book) before I left on this deployment. I'd really like to make a full army of them.

Neo B, have you considered grail knights for knights of the blood keep proxy?

I did, but with the amount of modifying I'm going to do I decided it would be easier to work with the plastic KotR models, (Grail Knights are metal on plastic horses) especially since I came into a horde of them from a guy at the Battle Bunker who sold me his entire Bretonnian army for $50 where it would have cost well over $300 to buy it all new (Which is where I got most of the stuff to create the Red Duke with.)

I did have a small Undead army for Warhammer, but I never played with them.

(Ironically it was a Vampire Count army. :p )

Yeah show some respect to this man. He's my VC mentor ;)

speaking of which, in recent testing I have come to a conclusion.

Corpse carts.

Lots of em.

Don't brettonians get some sort of thingy they carry relics in? Maybe you could convert something from that, a "corrupted relic" or something as a corpse cart proxy.

so, what you think of daemons of chaos for 40k and fantasy? The new books I mean.

For fantasy, I love the book. Adore it. I think its a really, really cool book. And I have a ton of fun with my mono-god slaanesh list.


That being said, there are some sick, busted, unexcusably discussed things in there that there is no way GW playtested. Its easily open to abuse, but my gaming group isnt one Im worried about abusing it.

For 40k, I have very limited experiance. I like how random the book is for when your army will show up, very fluffy, but it seems like it could make winning difficult.

speaking of which, in recent testing I have come to a conclusion.

Corpse carts.


Sweet Gods, this. Minimum of 1 per 1000 pts. MINIMUM. Id go with one per 500 pts myself.

One of my good friends plays VC. I find his victories are directly proportional to how many Corpse Carts he brings. That and balefire is nasty. Especially since its cumulative.

Sweet Gods, this. Minimum of 1 per 1000 pts. MINIMUM. Id go with one per 500 pts myself.

One of my good friends plays VC. I find his victories are directly proportional to how many Corpse Carts he brings. That and balefire is nasty. Especially since its cumulative.

the ability to completely trash your opponents magic phase is disgusting. That, and it's possible ot get a +2 on all your dispel rolls

speaking of which, in recent testing I have come to a conclusion.

Corpse carts.

Lots of em.

Don't brettonians get some sort of thingy they carry relics in? Maybe you could convert something from that, a "corrupted relic" or something as a corpse cart proxy.

Oh yeah Corpse Carts bigtime. I've been looking for combinations and I have one in which I have Corpse Cart mounted Necros.

yeah, it's like that.

The Bretonnians have a Grail Reliquare which is basically a bunch of fanatic peasants carrying the body of a fallen Grail Knight around lashed to a throne. Bizarre as hell but I believe the base size is the same as for a Corpse Cart, which is a great idea.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....................

(I was once gonna do a conversion in which the dead Grail Knight on the Reliquae was replaced by the Black Knight from Monty Python with his arms and legs missing...)

Oh yeah Corpse Carts bigtime. I've been looking for combinations and I have one in which I have Corpse Cart mounted Necros.

yeah, it's like that.

The Bretonnians have a Grail Reliquare which is basically a bunch of fanatic peasants carrying the body of a fallen Grail Knight around lashed to a throne. Bizarre as hell but I believe the base size is the same as for a Corpse Cart, which is a great idea.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....................

(I was once gonna do a conversion in which the dead Grail Knight on the Reliquae was replaced by the Black Knight from Monty Python with his arms and legs missing...)

It was a thought, maybe zombify up some peasants, the dead knight guy would fit in with the "theme". Maybe call it the body of a fallen vampire (sorta like a black coach idea)

I only roleplay Warhammer -_-

I forgot to mention my Blood Keep Knights would be composed of:

Bretonnian Warhorse
Bretonnian KotR legs and torso
VC Grave Guard Head and shield
DE Cold one Knight right arm/lance

I built one prototype to try the idea with. I'll post a pic of that on the forum I linked to earlier, as well.

It was a thought, maybe zombify up some peasants, the dead knight guy would fit in with the "theme". Maybe call it the body of a fallen vampire (sorta like a black coach idea)

Oh yeah totally. Good idea! Zombies would make for an excellent replacement for the peasants, or even mixing the parts in such a way as to give the zombies that Bretonnian peasant look. Crypt Ghouls might work too for that.

the ability to completely trash your opponents magic phase is disgusting. That, and it's possible ot get a +2 on all your dispel rolls

Couple that with its bound spell, granting you ASF, and the VC magic phase gets even more intense.


The last thing my Chaos Warriors want to see is zombies stricking before them.


Ok, since that wont do much let me revise.

The last thing I need is a Vampire Lord with ASF.

I only play 40k. Got Imperial Guard for my main army, but also a Tau force.

Oh yeah totally. Good idea! Zombies would make for an excellent replacement for the peasants, or even mixing the parts in such a way as to give the zombies that Bretonnian peasant look. Crypt Ghouls might work too for that.

Zombie parts with the Bret Militia kit can do wonders. My friend has a Bretonnian themed VC army (KotR as BK, and the like). It looks beautiful. In an undead, nerdy way.

Zombie parts with the Bret Militia kit can do wonders. My friend has a Bretonnian themed VC army (KotR as BK, and the like). It looks beautiful. In an undead, nerdy way.

I have a unit of Skeletons that I added Bretonnian Men-at-Arms items to, like the musical instrument (drum) as well as a few of the little theme bits.

I kinda wish I'd have waited and given them the big MAA tower shields instead of going with the standard miscellaneous skelly shields, but meh. Maybe I'll revisit that later.

I only play 40k. Got Imperial Guard for my main army, but also a Tau force.

As they say, real men don't wear power armour, they jump out of the back of a Valkyrie at 500m.

As they say, real men don't wear power armour, they jump out of the back of a Valkyrie at 500m.

And then get eaten by the guys in power armor.

Orcs and gobbos are my main force, but I also play vampire counts. Im thinking about playing them more.. something about a unit of nightmare-riding vampires makes me wanna paint em and play em.

I haven't played in years. My 40k army was Space Marines, and my main WFB army was Chaos: Nurgle.

And then get eaten by the guys in power armor.

That's why Guardsmen only cost 6 points.

That's why Guardsmen only cost 6 points.

And even then theyre overpriced:tongue:

And even then theyre overpriced:tongue:

So very true. I really can't wait for the new book next year.

the "all deep striking" thing for demons is a disadvantage, but the thing is, demons are meant to die in droves. They're supposed to.

Consider this, a bloodletter costs the same as a marine. However, the bloodletter has +1 WS, +1A, furious charge, a power weapon, and a 5+ invul save.

For the same price, a bloodletter is superior in every way in combat. I assaulted 10 marines with 5 bloodletters, killed 7, and not a single bloodletter died. Next turn, wiped out the remaining 3.

Essentially they took on double their points value and survived. How is that in any way balanced? because that squad STARTED at 10, it was only at 5 by the time they reached something. Playing demons is an exercise in playing the long game. Demons lose the first 1/3 to 1/2 the game, they just make it up in later rounds.

I have an army of Knights on horseback which (like so many others) still await their first paintjob. Haven't decided whether I'll make them Bretonnian or Imperial. Plus some odd number of foot soldiers.

Never played Warhammer, only a couple of games of WH40K, I'm more a collector than a gamer, I guess.

My only major problem was Blood Angels. I never could stop that blasted Death Company from wiping out my main troops.

I have a bretonnian army and a High Elf Army. The bretonnian force is rdeuced to 200 points, and I have a lot of peasants over there. My High Elf army is over 4 thousand points, with dragons and everything.

I have never played 40k, however, I do own a large eldar fleet for Battlefleet Gothic, and I am currently participating in a campaign. BFG remains my favourite GW game.

I have a bretonnian army and a High Elf Army. The bretonnian force is rdeuced to 200 points, and I have a lot of peasants over there. My High Elf army is over 4 thousand points, with dragons and everything.

I have never played 40k, however, I do own a large eldar fleet for Battlefleet Gothic, and I am currently participating in a campaign. BFG remains my favourite GW game.

Gah! I don't think you can even field a Bretonnian army for 200 points legally...

I had a High Elf army... not sure where that ended up. I still have a mostly-aspect Eldar army (I have rangers too, it's still legal!) knocking around, which I dust off occasionally. I'm planning on picking up some Falcons (because which eldar army would do without) and some harlequins and playing it a lot more frequently since there are a few people around here who also play.

I meant 2000 points. Sorry about that.

brettonians and high elves, pft.

Playing demons is an exercise in playing the long game. Demons lose the first 1/3 to 1/2 the game, they just make it up in later rounds.

Really? That sounds...interesting. This makes me want to play daemons now.

brettonians and high elves, pft.

My first army was an HE army. I was actually pretty successful with it after some practice. I think thats why Im pretty good now, because it takes serious skill and patients to win with an HE army from 6th edition, especilly when it WASNT an all Cav army:p.

I planned to restart them when the new book came out. But it was such...crap. Boring, vanilla, and required no finess (everything ASF?). I sold my small 1000 pt force after four games with it, and never looked back.

I used to have a dwarf army till i swapped to play Flintloque

Many years ago I had an Elf army and a 'miscellaneous' collection of other figurines that I just plain liked (my zombie dragon was my favourite). Of course, this was all a long, long time ago (rules versions 1 and, briefly, 2, and all the figurines were made of lead), but it was tremendous fun at the time.

We ran a campaign with 14 different players controlling separate nations/races, in which we each submitted 'world orders' to the guy running it and fought whatever battles were required as and when they popped up (sort of like a RTS game, but using pen, paper and tabletop) which lasted about 3 years. We even tried a big crossover battle against the Ancients guys from the wargame club we belonged to, on a 36'x36' battlefield, using a set of rules that some of the guys had cobbled together, but it all went down in flames and recriminations before the battle was over (I reckon those Greeks would have pasted us eventually, anyway)

I just sort of drifted out of it all in the late 80s... shortly after Blood Bowl was released, as I recall. :(

Ahhh, nostalgia :p

Well, I practically stopped collecting my Wood Elves before I got any reasonable army... This stuff is pricey, you know. I've got about 500 points, enough for some Border Patrol, but last time I played was, like, a year ago? Besides, I played once a couple of months at best. I'm versed to some extent in WFB and WH40k fluff, though, at least I think so. My brother, however, collects WH40k Eldar, has an army of Lizardmen and some Grail Knights and Pegasus Riders, plus a hero.

My current army that I love is Lost and the Damned,

Ive tried chaos, but got bored with just marines, and I tried Imperial guard, but got sick of unpacking/repacking so many models
LatD allows me the middle ground between the two, as well as a huge boost of freedom to convert like mad, which i do, much to the shock of so many gamers when they ask "wtf is that"

as for basic warhammer, i used to vampire counts, which i think i should get back into especially now with the Konrad von Carstein official rules

My current army that I love is Lost and the Damned,

Ive tried chaos, but got bored with just marines, and I tried Imperial guard, but got sick of unpacking/repacking so many models
LatD allows me the middle ground between the two, as well as a huge boost of freedom to convert like mad, which i do, much to the shock of so many gamers when they ask "wtf is that"

as for basic warhammer, i used to vampire counts, which i think i should get back into especially now with the Konrad von Carstein official rules

LATD isn't a legal list anymore though...

theyre actually S8

theyre actually S8

....what is?

For those of you who play WH40k and are into pen and paper games as well, you should check out a game called Dark Heresy (I just got through chargen for a campaign of this).

Players take the role of Acolytes to an Inquisitor in the Imperium of Man. System's kind of interesting, largely based on d10s and d100s.

brettonians and high elves, pft.

The main issue I have with the HE revamp is that all of their units now have ASF, even when armed with Greatswords. *cough*bullshit*cough*

AND they can fight 3 ranks deep with spearmen

AND they get Hatred on Dark Elves

Which means when I'm using my Dark Elves no matter what I charge at them with, these bonuses mean even if I'm just hitting a unit of spearmen, that's at least 16 hits they get to take (5 columns, 3 ranks, champion gets 2A) where they can re-roll misses before I could even whip out my Assassin... and with a WS3 HEs aren't too shabby at hitting.

/whinefest

I guess I better invest in some Cold One chariots, since impact hits still come before ASF.

with a WS3 HEs aren't too shabby at hitting.

/whinefest



Spearmen are WS 4 ;)

<deep breath>

I own:
almost a full company of guardsmen (2 more squads to paint), with tank support
almost a great company of space wolves (124 power armour models)
Ork Speed Freak army
small Tau army
Alpha Legion army
some dark eldar
some eldar

about 6k points of high elves
about 5k points of vampires
2k beastmen

5k Imperial Navy fleet
3k Chaos fleet

I play Necromunda, Blood Bowl, GorkaMorka and as off 2 weeks Aeronautica Imperialis


Yeah...i'm a dreadful geek

Spearmen are WS 4 ;)


I stand corrected. This, of course, only makes it worse. *grumble*


Yeah...i'm a dreadful geek

And a wealthy one, too, apparently. ;)

Ahem, assassins are ASF now, and they are not even characters, but unit "upgrades" *cough bullshit cough*

You can make BlackGuard ASF, hit with a tons of attack before anyone else because you have higher I. You can whine about the Brets if you want, but Dark Elves?, they are one of the best equipped armies to deal with High Elves now, as it should be.

I don't like the ASF blanket rule, yet the three rank deep spearmen is an old rule, from 5th edition, and typical of High Elf background. It's like knight lances (wedge formation) for bretonnians.

High Elves do not get hatred against Dark Elves, they are reroll psychology tests. Dark Elves do get ETERNAL Hatred on High Elves. Please get your facts straight and tell your opponent that he is cheating on you. Read the book, Neo Bretonnia.

And a wealthy one, too, apparently. ;)

well, i used to be wealthy, now i just have heaps and heaps of pewter :p

btw, NB, why arent you using the old old red duke model as the red duke ?
I have it somewhere...or i used too at least...

Ahem, assassins are ASF now, and they are not even characters, but unit "upgrades" *cough bullshit cough*


I'll concede that one is B.S. ;)


You can make BlackGuard ASF, hit with a tons of attack before anyone else because you have higher I. You can whine about the Brets if you want, but Dark Elves?, they are one of the best equipped armies to deal with High Elves now, as it should be.

Yar, but Black Guard ain't exactly a core unit, so while you're right that their higher I will help them with that, it's not exactly common over the whole army.


I don't like the ASF blanket rule, yet the three rank deep spearmen is an old rule, from 5th edition, and typical of High Elf background. It's like knight lances (wedge formation) for bretonnians.


After playing Bretonnia a while I've noticed some problems with Lance Formation though...

The max size for some Bretonnian Knight units is 15. That's 5 ranks assuming no characters added to the unit. Helluva lot of hits, right? 12 attacks (champ gets 2 + 2 attacks per rank) at S5 and WS4 is pretty GAMF...

Not imagine trying to maneuver that beast. Imagine a flank 5 cavalry bases long. Ew. I *NEVER* use a Lance formation of knights larger than 3 ranks total including characters unless a very specific strategy calls for it.

Not to mention if you charge in Lance Formation and don't win combat, you're going into the next HTH round with only 3 columns, and Knight Initiative isn't particularly awesome.

Not a whine, just sharing some observations with any Bretonnian brethren out there ;)


High Elves do not get hatred against Dark Elves, they are reroll psychology tests. Dark Elves do get ETERNAL Hatred on High Elves. Please get your facts straight and tell your opponent that he is cheating on you. Read the book, Neo Bretonnia.

Are you sure? My wife has the HE book at home and I could have sworn the got eternal hatred on Dark Elves.

well, i used to be wealthy, now i just have heaps and heaps of pewter :p

btw, NB, why arent you using the old old red duke model as the red duke ?
I have it somewhere...or i used too at least...

Mainly because I had all these parts and components available and I enjoy doing custom models. Besides, IIRC that Red Duke is on foot, isn't he?

Are you sure? My wife has the HE book at home and I could have sworn the got eternal hatred on Dark Elves.



100% man. Shadow Warriors have it, the rest of the army only gets to reroll psychology tests.

100% man. Shadow Warriors have it, the rest of the army only gets to reroll psychology tests.

Sweet!

Sweet!

Come on dude, its the High Elves, theyre too big of pansies to hate anyone.

Come on dude, its the High Elves, theyre too big of pansies to hate anyone.

lol, I used to have a HE army...the goodness gets to you after a while.

Mainly because I had all these parts and components available and I enjoy doing custom models. Besides, IIRC that Red Duke is on foot, isn't he?

Nope, he's the vampire raising a huge single bladed sword in one hand, sitting astride an awesome (metal) skeletal horse.
Sadly, i can't find a pic right now.

Conversions are always cool to do. I'm building a mad max beyond thunderdome speed freak ork army at the moment, lotsa things to kitbash :)

Nope, he's the vampire raising a huge single bladed sword in one hand, sitting astride an awesome (metal) skeletal horse.
Sadly, i can't find a pic right now.

Conversions are always cool to do. I'm building a mad max beyond thunderdome speed freak ork army at the moment, lotsa things to kitbash :)

Sounds cool, but it sounds like he's riding a Nightmare as opposed to a Hellsteed, which is what I wanted anyway...

And since I happened to have a pair of metal wings from the Morathi model laying around AND I came into a bunch of extra Pegasi... hehe

Sounds cool, but it sounds like he's riding a Nightmare as opposed to a Hellsteed, which is what I wanted anyway...

And since I happened to have a pair of metal wings from the Morathi model laying around AND I came into a bunch of extra Pegasi... hehe

The model is from late 5th/early 6th edition, so hes on a regular old skeletal steed, didnt have no other horse sized options back then.

Flying vampires are evil :)

carefull of elven spearmen, mine speared a vampire of his zombie dragon last sunday :D

The model is from late 5th/early 6th edition, so hes on a regular old skeletal steed, didnt have no other horse sized options back then.

Flying vampires are evil :)

carefull of elven spearmen, mine speared a vampire of his zombie dragon last sunday :D

ouchie...

ouchie...

Just dont hit their front rank. You can fly, giving you greater maneuverability.

Does anyone else play The Empire? If so, what state troop would you recommend? I'm thinking blocks of spearmen with swordsman detatchments, but some people think swordsman for the main blocks. Anyways, ideas?

Swordsmen are the only state troop fairly decent. Halberdiers should be better, yet somewhat they are not. A common setup is swordmen with handgunner detachments, or swordmen with swordmen detachment, because greatswords are entirely another matter.

And the Red Duke is in a horse, a skeletal steed, the problem is that the skelehorse is so large that it seems something else. Actually, he is like the blood drinking version of the green knight, so the horse is similar.

I'd advise you use that horse, it's an awesome model. After all, you can always model the rider to add customization.

Swordsmen are the only state troop fairly decent. Halberdiers should be better, yet somewhat they are not. A common setup is swordmen with handgunner detachments, or swordmen with swordmen detachment, because greatswords are entirely another matter.

And the Red Duke is in a horse, a skeletal steed, the problem is that the skelehorse is so large that it seems something else. Actually, he is like the blood drinking version of the green knight, so the horse is similar.

I'd advise you use that horse, it's an awesome model. After all, you can always model the rider to add customization.

I was thinking that, but I'm leaning towards spearmen because spearmen in the second rank get to attack, so I'd potentially have double the attacks a block of swordsmen would get.

how about peace screwdriver, or green man?

I was thinking that, but I'm leaning towards spearmen because spearmen in the second rank get to attack, so I'd potentially have double the attacks a block of swordsmen would get.

But swordsmen come with an extra point of WS and Init, aswell as getting the handweapon+shield save bonus.

I'd use swordsmen for main block, with one detachment of free company and one of ranged troops, whichever is your favourite.

More likely, if you field swordmen in a 5 wide rank, you will get 2 of them to survive and strike back after casualties against most charging enemies in the same tier as the swordmen, due to their superior WS and their improved armor save. If you field spearmen in the same fashion, you will get 7 to 8 casualties, and you will still be able to attack back with 2, at WS3 and not WS4 as the swordmen. I didn't do the math, it's published somewhere in the internet, but it's wide known for the Empire players.

And the Red Duke is in a horse, a skeletal steed, the problem is that the skelehorse is so large that it seems something else. Actually, he is like the blood drinking version of the green knight, so the horse is similar.

I'd advise you use that horse, it's an awesome model. After all, you can always model the rider to add customization.

The model is cool, but I think my Hellsteed mount will turn out to be cooler :D

The model is cool, but I think my Hellsteed mount will turn out to be cooler :D

Bretonian pegasi as undead steeds look awesome, a friend of mine is 'killing' his whole bret army and turning them into VC.

More likely, if you field swordmen in a 5 wide rank, you will get 2 of them to survive and strike back after casualties against most charging enemies in the same tier as the swordmen, due to their superior WS and their improved armor save. If you field spearmen in the same fashion, you will get 7 to 8 casualties, and you will still be able to attack back with 2, at WS3 and not WS4 as the swordmen. I didn't do the math, it's published somewhere in the internet, but it's wide known for the Empire players.

True, but I was thinking deep ranks of spearmen of 25 men.

I think I'm going to have one two blocks of spearmen, and another one or two blocks of swordsmen.

After a few games I'll decide if I want to scrap the spearmen in favor of all swordsmen.

Thanks for the advice!

One more question: How come Lizardmen players don't seem to be using Saurus Warriors? I realize they are a bit slow and expensive, but they are tough SOBS. I'd think people would at least want one large unit to act as an anvil enemy units can be broken upon.

One more question: How come Lizardmen players don't seem to be using Saurus Warriors? I realize they are a bit slow and expensive, but they are tough SOBS. I'd think people would at least want one large unit to act as an anvil enemy units can be broken upon.

Some Lizzie players do use them as an anvil. But rarely. Saurus are expensive and slow, but thats not why people usually dont bother them with...


People usually ignore Saurus warriors because skinks are just so damn good and so undercosted.

Its the same reason no one uses Saurus Cavalry (well, aside from them sucking. Heavy Cavalry witha 3+ save? Come on.). Why waste the points when Kroxigars are simply 200x better?

Some Lizzie players do use them as an anvil. But rarely. Saurus are expensive and slow, but thats not why people usually dont bother them with...


People usually ignore Saurus warriors because skinks are just so damn good and so undercosted.

Its the same reason no one uses Saurus Cavalry (well, aside from them sucking. Heavy Cavalry witha 3+ save? Come on.). Why waste the points when Kroxigars are simply 200x better?

A player at my club uses 3 20 strong blocks of saurus in his 2,5k list. They're tough to cack those guys. And skinks arent all that much better. problem just is that a decent amount of saurus cost so many points you dont have any left for cool stuff.
Saurus cavalry do suck compared to kroxigor sadly.

I added some more pics to the Army Journal thread I linked earlier. Here it is again. (http://www.roundtable-bretonnia.org/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=87&func=view&id=56428&catid=25)

The pics include the hellsteed about halfway painted, some skeletons and the prototype Blood Knight.