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Is She Worth it? Or, Who Gives a 7-Year-Old Luis Vuitton

Anti-Social Darwinism
23-10-2008, 06:39
Most of us can barely afford to buy clothes at Wal-Mart, but the RNC gives Palin $150,000 to spruce up her family and herself. Personally, I think her credibility (non-existent as it is) would be better if she took $1500 of her own money to Target, Wal-Mart or Sears.

http://www.stylelist.com/blog/2008/10/22/rnc-gives-sarah-palin-a-150-000-shopping-stipend/?icid=200100397x1212103285x1200746173
Blouman Empire
23-10-2008, 06:45
That photo would look better if she wasn't carrying a large McDonalds cup.

In saying that I do not see why this should be a big issue unless it is for people to bad on about those with a bit more money than them, is there a lot of aggressive egalitarianism in America. It is after all COP funds it is not as tough the taxpayer paid for it.

As for the 16514 who voted "How dare she spend that kind of money during an economic crisis?" WTF? people she should be spending money during this crisis it puts more cash into the system. And regardless grow up.
Tygereyes
23-10-2008, 06:56
Most of us can barely afford to buy clothes at Wal-Mart, but the RNC gives Palin $150,000 to spruce up her family and herself. Personally, I think her credibility (non-existent as it is) would be better if she took $1500 of her own money to Target, Wal-Mart or Sears.

http://www.stylelist.com/blog/2008/10/22/rnc-gives-sarah-palin-a-150-000-shopping-stipend/?icid=200100397x1212103285x1200746173

Yea I agree, it is disgusting. But it's also rather pointless. But it said RNC. If you donated to the RNC, then....You just ended up giving Palin and her family a shopping spree. heh. :)
Gauthier
23-10-2008, 06:56
Hey, if AIG execs can splurge even after the bailout, why can't Caribou Barbie get free gifts that none of the plebes will even be able to afford a thread from in their lifetimes?

:D :D :D
Fleckenstein
23-10-2008, 06:59
It's more fun watching Fox News spin it into the ground, blathering on about sexism.
Blouman Empire
23-10-2008, 07:16
It's more fun watching Fox News spin it into the ground, blathering on about sexism.

Or what some feminists might go on about. Though they may have a point we very rarely go on about what the men wear and how much they spend on clothes now do we? The only other time I heard was when IIRC Kerry paid $400 for a haircut.

A lot of this sort of thing comes up with female news anchors. They are criticised for what they wear and how old they are where as old men in boring suits don't cop any flak.

Not that I think it is sexism but still.
Velka Morava
23-10-2008, 07:35
I find distatsteful giving a LV bag to a 7 year old girl to show how successful a family they are.
If it were Palin's money I wouldn't care. It would just be a measure of her success. This way... blah!

P.S. I find LV bags distasteful by themselves too. They are just a way to show off. But I'm an elitist.
Aerou
23-10-2008, 07:54
The LV bag the girl is holding and the one they link to are not the same bag. And also, Piper Palins LV bag has an LV monogram which is disappearing in the stitching. Real LV bags do not have monograms in the stitching (http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-spot-a-fake-louis-vuitton-bag) 'tis a fake.

And I personally think that Palin's wardrobe is beyond hideous.
Lacadaemon
23-10-2008, 08:00
I don't think this is a real story. The national committees spend millions on candidate image, why is this such a big deal?

And do you all really think that those guys pay for their charter jets out of their own pockets? This is a nothing burger, other than to say that Palin's dress sense proves that money can't buy taste.

Additionally, in before sexism.
Anti-Social Darwinism
23-10-2008, 08:18
I don't think this is a real story. The national committees spend millions on candidate image, why is this such a big deal?

And do you all really think that those guys pay for their charter jets out of their own pockets? This is a nothing burger, other than to say that Palin's dress sense proves that money can't buy taste.

Additionally, in before sexism.

Actually, I was going to suggest that the RNC turn her over to Clinton and Stacy. They could make her and her whole family look good for $5000.
Intangelon
23-10-2008, 08:19
I don't think this is a real story. The national committees spend millions on candidate image, why is this such a big deal?

And do you all really think that those guys pay for their charter jets out of their own pockets? This is a nothing burger, other than to say that Palin's dress sense proves that money can't buy taste.

^ This.

I think it's crap, but not news. Both National Committees do it in one way or another.
Fonzica
23-10-2008, 08:33
Huh. I guess you can put lipstick on a pig. Even if it does cost $150 000.
Zombie PotatoHeads
23-10-2008, 08:35
As for the 16514 who voted "How dare she spend that kind of money during an economic crisis?" WTF? people she should be spending money during this crisis it puts more cash into the system. And regardless grow up.
to be fair to them, the poll doesn't give one much choice. It's extremely damn biased.
Why do they need to put the qualifier, "a bit much" into the 2nd poll option? That forces people, like myself, who think it's not a 'bit' much but obscenely over the top (spending the equivalent of the price for an apartment on clothes is a 'bit' much?) into voting for option 3. And thus looking like jealous, petty idiots.
Rejistania
23-10-2008, 09:08
to be fair to them, the poll doesn't give one much choice. It's extremely damn biased.
Why do they need to put the qualifier, "a bit much" into the 2nd poll option? That forces people, like myself, who think it's not a 'bit' much but obscenely over the top (spending the equivalent of the price for an apartment on clothes is a 'bit' much?) into voting for option 3. And thus looking like jealous, petty idiots.

Agreed!
Blouman Empire
23-10-2008, 12:03
to be fair to them, the poll doesn't give one much choice. It's extremely damn biased.
Why do they need to put the qualifier, "a bit much" into the 2nd poll option? That forces people, like myself, who think it's not a 'bit' much but obscenely over the top (spending the equivalent of the price for an apartment on clothes is a 'bit' much?) into voting for option 3. And thus looking like jealous, petty idiots.

Well a bit much might not mean a bit much but rather yes it is a lot but people may just say yeah it is a bit much, as a way of saying that they are against it. But the poll and the entire article is biased anyway.
Smunkeeville
23-10-2008, 15:13
It's not your money so why do you care?

If it's "judgmental" to prefer that the panhandler doesn't spend your $10 on booze, how is this okay? This isn't even your money.

Lots of people spend lots of money frivolously. Ever watch that show "Cribs"?

:rolleyes:
Laerod
23-10-2008, 15:24
I personally don't really care about her spending lots of money on clothes. It's that the same party was lambasting Edwards for getting a haircut that seems like a good deal in comparison is what I find apalling.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
23-10-2008, 15:26
Although it is messed up to spend $150,000 on clothes and to give a brat a Louis Vuitton bag, who really cares? It's not like Sarah Palin will be VP. That woman's as mental as John McCain.
Ashmoria
23-10-2008, 15:50
The LV bag the girl is holding and the one they link to are not the same bag. And also, Piper Palins LV bag has an LV monogram which is disappearing in the stitching. Real LV bags do not have monograms in the stitching (http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-spot-a-fake-louis-vuitton-bag) 'tis a fake.

And I personally think that Palin's wardrobe is beyond hideous.
oops i hope they didnt pay $1000 for that bag then!
Tygereyes
23-10-2008, 15:53
I personally don't really care about her spending lots of money on clothes. It's that the same party was lambasting Edwards for getting a haircut that seems like a good deal in comparison is what I find apalling.

And didn't he spend campagne funds on that as well? But then he rembersed it.

Geeze Republican pundents are picky, aren't they?
Poliwanacraca
23-10-2008, 15:53
I personally don't really care about her spending lots of money on clothes. It's that the same party was lambasting Edwards for getting a haircut that seems like a good deal in comparison is what I find apalling.

^ This. It's a bit disgusting to whine about how Edwards isn't really an ordinary American because he spends $400 on haircuts, and then give Palin $150,000 to look like an ordinary American.

It also makes the notion that Republicans are more fiscally responsible seem fairly silly, as I'm pretty damn sure Palin could look well put-together for about 1% of that sum.
Tygereyes
23-10-2008, 15:59
I know what might help Palin's image. Get rid of those ugly glasses. They make her look like an old maid.

But I am a fine one to talk. *cleans her glasses off before putting them back on.* :p
Cabra West
23-10-2008, 16:06
It's not your money so why do you care?

If it's "judgmental" to prefer that the panhandler doesn't spend your $10 on booze, how is this okay? This isn't even your money.

Lots of people spend lots of money frivolously. Ever watch that show "Cribs"?

:rolleyes:

The $10 are a gift. Let him spend it anyway he wants.
The money Palin used were donations, which to my mind is somewhat different. You don't give money to, say, doctors without borders, and are completely happy for them to spend it on champagne for a staff meeting, do you? Donations are money given to certain institutions and with a certain purpose in mind. In this case, I would imagine the people donating wanted it used on rallies, posters, TV ads and the like. Hardly to dress Palin's family in clothes that cost twice or 3 times your average American's yearly income.
Sirmomo1
23-10-2008, 16:12
Lots of people spend lots of money frivolously. Ever watch that show "Cribs"?

Lil Wayne is running as a 3rd party? :eek:
Intestinal fluids
23-10-2008, 16:18
This is a waste of mental processing power. Since she didnt kill anyone to get those clothes there is a zero point zero chance that anyone will even think of this issue for 2 miliseconds two months from now.
Aerou
23-10-2008, 16:37
oops i hope they didnt pay $1000 for that bag then!

Indeed. Would be hilarious if they paid the full price for a faux-LV.
Daistallia 2104
23-10-2008, 16:38
P.S. I find LV bags distasteful by themselves too. They are just a way to show off. But I'm an elitist.

And not to mention butt ugly to boot.

Seriously. LV is extremely popular here in Japan, and I uttely do not even begin to comprehend the appeal.

to be fair to them, the poll doesn't give one much choice. It's extremely damn biased.
Why do they need to put the qualifier, "a bit much" into the 2nd poll option? That forces people, like myself, who think it's not a 'bit' much but obscenely over the top (spending the equivalent of the price for an apartment on clothes is a 'bit' much?) into voting for option 3. And thus looking like jealous, petty idiots.

Absolutely.

It's not your money so why do you care?

If it's "judgmental" to prefer that the panhandler doesn't spend your $10 on booze, how is this okay? This isn't even your money.

Lots of people spend lots of money frivolously. Ever watch that show "Cribs"?

What's disgusting here is that she's making an appeal based on being a typical Wal-Mart hockey mom, while spending that sort of cash (multiples of my annual salary) on stupid stuff. Paris Hilton drops wads of cash on stupidity and no one blinks an eye because she doesn't begin to claim represent "Joe-Six-Pack".
Ashmoria
23-10-2008, 16:44
Indeed. Would be hilarious if they paid the full price for a faux-LV.
there is no legitimate outlet for fake louis vuitton eh? either they paid full price or they bought it off ebay for $50.
Call to power
23-10-2008, 17:02
I wish I'd gone into politics now :( (and I admit I'm more likely to vote for the hot one if both candidates are the same)

I wonder what gucci kit obama will be fielding with all that delicious money?

Ever watch that show "Cribs"?

yes and they are not actually that rich for some of them like Simon Cowells house is actually kind of shitty
Gauthier
23-10-2008, 17:06
This is a waste of mental processing power. Since she didnt kill anyone to get those clothes there is a zero point zero chance that anyone will even think of this issue for 2 miliseconds two months from now.

Obviously the same people who bitched about the price of Clinton and Kerry's haircut will ignore this staggering hypocrisy from their favorite party.
Hotwife
23-10-2008, 17:20
Most of us can barely afford to buy clothes at Wal-Mart, but the RNC gives Palin $150,000 to spruce up her family and herself. Personally, I think her credibility (non-existent as it is) would be better if she took $1500 of her own money to Target, Wal-Mart or Sears.

http://www.stylelist.com/blog/2008/10/22/rnc-gives-sarah-palin-a-150-000-shopping-stipend/?icid=200100397x1212103285x1200746173

I wonder who pays for Biden's monthly botox... and is it even worth it?
Sumamba Buwhan
23-10-2008, 17:29
Obama supporter here, but I do wonder if they have looked at how much has been spent on everybody else clothes and other appearance enhancing things. Although, I know, Palin is your everyday hockey mom just like Joe the Plumber.
Sumamba Buwhan
23-10-2008, 17:30
DK, no fair I wanted to question the Dems first! That's what I get for not reading the thread before posting I guess.
Hotwife
23-10-2008, 17:34
DK, no fair I wanted to question the Dems first! That's what I get for not reading the thread before posting I guess.

I can see if you're younger, and the actual candidate, paying for clothes. It kind of goes with the job. And if you're halfway good looking (Obama, his wife, Palin), it's worth spending money on the makeup, the hair, the clothes, the stuff.

If you're fucking old, like McCain or Biden, I think that even Botox is a ridiculous extravagance.
Aerou
23-10-2008, 17:46
there is no legitimate outlet for fake louis vuitton eh? either they paid full price or they bought it off ebay for $50.

I suppose giving a child a faux LV handbag is just as bad as giving her the real thing. Though now all of Piper's friends will know her "authentic LV satchel" is a fake! Oh the elementary school drama that will ensue!
Wilgrove
23-10-2008, 17:53
Most of us can barely afford to buy clothes at Wal-Mart, but the RNC gives Palin $150,000 to spruce up her family and herself. Personally, I think her credibility (non-existent as it is) would be better if she took $1500 of her own money to Target, Wal-Mart or Sears.

http://www.stylelist.com/blog/2008/10/22/rnc-gives-sarah-palin-a-150-000-shopping-stipend/?icid=200100397x1212103285x1200746173

And how does this non-issuse affect the election?
Ashmoria
23-10-2008, 18:07
I can see if you're younger, and the actual candidate, paying for clothes. It kind of goes with the job. And if you're halfway good looking (Obama, his wife, Palin), it's worth spending money on the makeup, the hair, the clothes, the stuff.

If you're fucking old, like McCain or Biden, I think that even Botox is a ridiculous extravagance.
botox is stupid but mccain has a big ass scar running down the side of his face that would only remind people of his bout with melanoma if he didnt have it expertly covered. he pays a woman $7k/month for that service.
Sdaeriji
23-10-2008, 18:35
And how does this non-issuse affect the election?

Connect the dots. Woman who campaigns on being an everymom, woman who rails against the extravagances of the liberal Obama, woman who yammers on about real America, woman who blasts the Democrats for being "out of touch", woman who spends more money on clothes in four months than most families earn in an entire year.

Now, tell me that doesn't speak just a little bit to the credibility of her populist message.
Laerod
23-10-2008, 18:36
^ This. It's a bit disgusting to whine about how Edwards isn't really an ordinary American because he spends $400 on haircuts, and then give Palin $150,000 to look like an ordinary American.

It also makes the notion that Republicans are more fiscally responsible seem fairly silly, as I'm pretty damn sure Palin could look well put-together for about 1% of that sum.Like with her daughter having pre-marital sex and ending up pregnant. I have no problem with that nor do I particularly care all that much. It's that mom expects everyone else to wait until marriage but can't get the message across to her own daughter that annoys me. Palin's an insincere person and this confirms it.
Ashmoria
23-10-2008, 18:43
Connect the dots. Woman who campaigns on being an everymom, woman who rails against the extravagances of the liberal Obama, woman who yammers on about real America, woman who blasts the Democrats for being "out of touch", woman who spends more money on clothes in four months than most families earn in an entire year.

Now, tell me that doesn't speak just a little bit to the credibility of her populist message.
it has to put doubt in the minds of her loyal supporters who have previously bought the idea that she is "everywoman." to find out that she is just another politician being bottled and sold can be devastating to the republican voter turnout.
Laerod
23-10-2008, 18:45
it has to put doubt in the minds of her loyal supporters who have previously bought the idea that she is "everywoman." to find out that she is just another politician being bottled and sold can be devastating to the republican voter turnout.One should hope so, but hope's shards cut deep.
JuNii
23-10-2008, 18:48
Connect the dots. Woman who campaigns on being an everymom, woman who rails against the extravagances of the liberal Obama, woman who yammers on about real America, woman who blasts the Democrats for being "out of touch", woman who spends more money on clothes in four months than most families earn in an entire year.

Now, tell me that doesn't speak just a little bit to the credibility of her populist message.

except that money she recieved from someone else (the RNC) and was told specifically to buy clothes for her and her family.

I can see other hockeymoms doing that with that kind of gift and instructions. especially for an activity that puts them in the constant spotlight of the media.
Hotwife
23-10-2008, 18:50
except that money she recieved from someone else (the RNC) and was told specifically to buy clothes for her and her family.

I can see other hockeymoms doing that with that kind of gift and instructions. especially for an activity that puts them in the constant spotlight of the media.

I don't see anyone questioning how much the other candidates spend on their clothing.
JuNii
23-10-2008, 18:53
I don't see anyone questioning how much the other candidates spend on their clothing.

funny that. you don't.

you don't hear about the other candidate's spouses,
you don't see the same in-depth investigation into their backgrounds,
no picking apart every word they say.

no you only see that with one or two politicians. ;)
Ashmoria
23-10-2008, 18:53
I don't see anyone questioning how much the other candidates spend on their clothing.
im sure that if it were in the financial disclosure statements of other candidates that they had been paying $100k for clothing and accessories the republicans would be eager to put that out there as a part of their own defense.
Laerod
23-10-2008, 18:55
I don't see anyone questioning how much the other candidates spend on their clothing.On their looks, on the other hand... (http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2007/04/20/news/local/doc46290d0d1b6a0302149596.txt)
Sdaeriji
23-10-2008, 18:57
except that money she recieved from someone else (the RNC) and was told specifically to buy clothes for her and her family.

I can see other hockeymoms doing that with that kind of gift and instructions. especially for an activity that puts them in the constant spotlight of the media.

That's utterly irrelevant. Can she honestly sit there and complain about the other side being out of touch with the common American when she's handed tens of thousands of dollars worth of clothing to wear? Does she represent the everymom when her daughters are gifted $700 Louis Vuitton bags?

We don't talk about what McCain or Obama or Biden wear because McCain and Obama and Biden don't attempt to portray themselves as common, working Americans. They recognize and acknowledge that they are wealthy, and they dress accordingly. But when Palin walks out in an outfit that costs more than my monthly salary and talks about how she understands the concerns of the common man, it comes across hollow. She demonstrates that she's just another packaged politician. For someone whose only beneficial quality is supposed to be her identifiability, something like this damages her credibility.
Hotwife
23-10-2008, 18:58
On their looks, on the other hand... (http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2007/04/20/news/local/doc46290d0d1b6a0302149596.txt)

I still think the majority of press crap about Palin has been about things related to her being a woman.

This, from a party that claims the title of defender of women's rights. They did a fuckjob on Hillary, and I don't see the Democrats stopping their attacks on women any time soon.
Laerod
23-10-2008, 19:02
I still think the majority of press crap about Palin has been about things related to her being a woman.

This, from a party that claims the title of defender of women's rights. They did a fuckjob on Hillary, and I don't see the Democrats stopping their attacks on women any time soon.Meh. Palin's a divider. The main focus of the Democrats right now is on the pfucked up "real America" speech she gave that got picked up by Pfotenhauer and Bachmann. The clothes thing, so far as I've seen, is mainly being done by the media, not the Democrats themselves.

Overall, Palin's probably getting the worst of the hits as opposed to McCain because she's a pretty good representative of the worst the Party has to offer, while McCain still has traces of the kind of Republican that Powell is in him.
Ashmoria
23-10-2008, 19:06
That's utterly irrelevant. Can she honestly sit there and complain about the other side being out of touch with the common American when she's handed tens of thousands of dollars worth of clothing to wear? Does she represent the everymom when her daughters are gifted $700 Louis Vuitton bags?

We don't talk about what McCain or Obama or Biden wear because McCain and Obama and Biden don't attempt to portray themselves as common, working Americans. They recognize and acknowledge that they are wealthy, and they dress accordingly. But when Palin walks out in an outfit that costs more than my monthly salary and talks about how she understands the concerns of the common man, it comes across hollow. She demonstrates that she's just another packaged politician. For someone whose only beneficial quality is supposed to be her identifiability, something like this damages her credibility.
i dont think that getting to wear high priced designer clothes for a few weeks negates her understanding what it means to make a hard living.

her husband is a part time commercial fisherman. she has worked on his boat. they had a part ownership in a snow mobile dealership. they have to find a way to pay for the bills with 5 kids in the family.

there is no way that she doesnt know what it means to work hard to make ends meet.
Tmutarakhan
23-10-2008, 19:06
It goes with the per-diem and travel-expense stories. Palin always seems to be out for chiseling as much money for herself as she can get away with.
Sdaeriji
23-10-2008, 19:20
i dont think that getting to wear high priced designer clothes for a few weeks negates her understanding what it means to make a hard living.

her husband is a part time commercial fisherman. she has worked on his boat. they had a part ownership in a snow mobile dealership. they have to find a way to pay for the bills with 5 kids in the family.

there is no way that she doesnt know what it means to work hard to make ends meet.

I didn't say she doesn't know how to work hard. I said she's out of touch with the issues facing common Americans, specifically financial issues, and this is just representative of that. Wearing thousand dollar outfits does not portray an image of commonality with people who are actually struggling to make ends meet, even if she may have had experience in the past with making ends meet. And to stand on a stage and blast the other side of the aisle for being out of touch while she wears people's mortgage payments is hypocritical, as she's just as insulated from financial problems as either of her opponents.
Frisbeeteria
23-10-2008, 19:23
I don't see anyone questioning how much the other candidates spend on their clothing.

Then clearly you're not looking. I didn't have any trouble at all finding quotes on the other candidates.

the original Politico story (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html)
The business of primping and dressing on the campaign trail has become fraught with political risk in recent years as voters increasingly see an elite Washington out of touch with their values and lifestyles.

In 2000, Democrat Al Gore took heat for changing his clothing hues. And in 2006, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) was ribbed for two hair styling sessions that cost about $3,000.

Then, there was Democrat John Edwards’ $400 hair cuts in 2007 and Republican McCain’s $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes this year.

A review of similar records for the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee turned up no similar spending.


AP story (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gN2UuEbyF64GtuHQfJzWDqDg7PqgD940B6180)
McCain offered no further comment, except to say that the Republican National Committee doesn't buy his clothes

Asked Wednesday who had paid for the suit he was wearing, Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden told WSLS-TV in Roanoke, Va.: "I pay for my suits. I pay for all of my own clothing."
Ashmoria
23-10-2008, 19:33
I didn't say she doesn't know how to work hard. I said she's out of touch with the issues facing common Americans, specifically financial issues, and this is just representative of that. Wearing thousand dollar outfits does not portray an image of commonality with people who are actually struggling to make ends meet, even if she may have had experience in the past with making ends meet. And to stand on a stage and blast the other side of the aisle for being out of touch while she wears people's mortgage payments is hypocritical, as she's just as insulated from financial problems as either of her opponents.
what she didnt understand was how it might LOOK to be buying $150k worth of clothing for herself and her family. she wasnt ready for a national campaign as much as she isnt ready for national office.
Trans Fatty Acids
23-10-2008, 20:50
Silly question for the money people: Doesn't Palin have to report all this on her taxes? It's not like those clothes constitute a work uniform. If so, it seems a bit harsh of the campaign to load her up with $150K extra income that she only gets use of for a couple months before it's (supposedly) all donated to charity. Especially as she could have gotten a similar wardrobe for much less had she not gone to Needless Markup.

Though I suppose she might come out ahead with the charitable donation writeoff, depending on how much the clothes get sold for.
JuNii
23-10-2008, 20:54
I didn't say she doesn't know how to work hard. I said she's out of touch with the issues facing common Americans, specifically financial issues, and this is just representative of that. Wearing thousand dollar outfits does not portray an image of commonality with people who are actually struggling to make ends meet, even if she may have had experience in the past with making ends meet. And to stand on a stage and blast the other side of the aisle for being out of touch while she wears people's mortgage payments is hypocritical, as she's just as insulated from financial problems as either of her opponents.
the difference is that she was given the money (and probably with the instruction to improve her image and that of her family for the cameras). so she used that money for what she was told it was for. no earmarks (this amount will go into groceries), no giving to special interest groups ("sorry no change"), she used the money for what it was set aside for. what a responsible candidate! :tongue:

Then clearly you're not looking. I didn't have any trouble at all finding quotes on the other candidates.
McCain offered no further comment, except to say that the Republican National Committee doesn't buy his clothes
and that quote you quoted makes me more convinced that McCain doesn't like Palin as a running mate. :p


and I wonder tho. is there really no similar spending on Obama's part? or did the article just 'gloss' over him. How much did his suits and his wife's dress cost? Hmmmm... =.=
Frisbeeteria
23-10-2008, 21:18
and I wonder tho. is there really no similar spending on Obama's part? or did the article just 'gloss' over him. How much did his suits and his wife's dress cost? Hmmmm... =.=

I beg your pardon? Are you changing the subject?

Nobody that I've seen is questioning the cost of clothing. They're questioning that it was purchased with campaign funds. I've not been able to turn up a single quote from anyone stating that Barack or Michelle Obama charged their wardrobe budget to the campaign, the taxpayers, or anyone else. Biden has made it clear that he buys his own suits (which is instantly apparent to anyone looking at him - he's no clothes horse).

Had Palin reached into her own wallet to buy campaigning clothes, there would be no story here. She's a good looking woman who clearly likes to look good, and she can spend 100% of her government salary on clothing for all I (or anyone) cares. When it crosses over into violations of campaign finance laws (something that ought to embarrass the author of breakthrough campaign finance legislation), it's a story.
Smunkeeville
23-10-2008, 21:26
Silly question for the money people: Doesn't Palin have to report all this on her taxes? It's not like those clothes constitute a work uniform. If so, it seems a bit harsh of the campaign to load her up with $150K extra income that she only gets use of for a couple months before it's (supposedly) all donated to charity. Especially as she could have gotten a similar wardrobe for much less had she not gone to Needless Markup.

Though I suppose she might come out ahead with the charitable donation writeoff, depending on how much the clothes get sold for.

You only get to use the "fair market value" of things offered to charity.....which used clothes......less than new ones.
Ashmoria
23-10-2008, 21:31
the difference is that she was given the money (and probably with the instruction to improve her image and that of her family for the cameras). so she used that money for what she was told it was for. no earmarks (this amount will go into groceries), no giving to special interest groups ("sorry no change"), she used the money for what it was set aside for. what a responsible candidate! :tongue:


and that quote you quoted makes me more convinced that McCain doesn't like Palin as a running mate. :p


and I wonder tho. is there really no similar spending on Obama's part? or did the article just 'gloss' over him. How much did his suits and his wife's dress cost? Hmmmm... =.=
everybody else pays for their own clothing.

mrs palin got the help because she hadnt been on the campaign trail for 2 years building up a wardrobe suitable for national exposure.
Ashmoria
23-10-2008, 21:35
as campbell brown pointed out on cnn

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/23/campbell-brown-calls-out_n_137106.html

a woman cant wear the same thing day after day and not get a ration of shit for it. hillary clinton developed a bit of a campaigning uniform but she wore a different color every day (and you cant expect the repubs to take hillary's uniform thing without anyone noticing)

yeah they WAYYYYY over paid for mrs palin's wardrobe but .... well ... that just show how out of touch whoever made those decisions is.
Ashmoria
23-10-2008, 21:36
You only get to use the "fair market value" of things offered to charity.....which used clothes......less than new ones.
if the rnc auctions them off on ebay they should be able to get way more for them than if they just donate them to good will (or one of those programs that gives clothing to poor women looking for a good job)

i bet tons of people would love to have that red jacket she and tina fey wore on snl.
Ashmoria
23-10-2008, 21:51
How Palin dresses and shops is SOOO much more important than political violence aimed at McCain supporters (shooting up someone's house, carving initials into someone's face).
it is in this thread.
JuNii
23-10-2008, 22:02
I beg your pardon? Are you changing the subject?nah, just being... what's the word? facetious... :p
Tygereyes
24-10-2008, 08:02
Hehe. I love this. Now Palin is saying her clothing did not cost $150K
Pfff.... as if. :p

Palin denies accepting $150K in designer clothes (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081024/ap_on_el_pr/palin_clothing)
Rhursbourg
24-10-2008, 09:32
how can anyone like Louis Vutton they do not even make any Gladstones or a portmanteaux
Cameroi
24-10-2008, 10:24
loo whoo? what's with a bunch of useless expensive crap to try and impress someone?

sure it feels good to look cool, but i don't know how to say this, going arround with the price tag still on DOES NOT LOOK COOL. it looks retarded.

now if someone wanted to give me something a little bit pricey when i was seven, or even now, try a cnc milling machine, or a '3d printer', or other rapid prototyping, or a hernia gauge m.u. car and a right of way arround the lower 40 or something like that, or a full sized endloader maybe, and another 20 acres to play with it in.

creating and exploring are what gratify, excitement and trying to impress anyone are not.
Non Aligned States
24-10-2008, 10:39
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now if someone wanted to give me something a little bit pricey when i was seven, or even now, try a cnc milling machine, or a '3d printer', or other rapid prototyping, or a hernia gauge m.u. car and a right of way arround the lower 40 or something like that, or a full sized endloader maybe, and another 20 acres to play with it in.

creating and exploring are what gratify, excitement and trying to impress anyone are not.

I would so want one of those, had I a ridiculous amounts of money to spend without a care. I may not be that good in a workshop, but doing designs in digital 3d space and seeing them converted to real world objects, nothing beats that.
Cameroi
24-10-2008, 10:50
I would so want one of those, had I a ridiculous amounts of money to spend without a care. I may not be that good in a workshop, but doing designs in digital 3d space and seeing them converted to real world objects, nothing beats that.

there's an outfit over in europe somewhere, i think holland, it was mentioned in the recent siggraf stuff on youtube, and i had a look at their website, and what it is, is that you send them your designs, and i think you have to do them in their software or convert to their format, and they'll run it off on their 3d machine, in whatever quantity, including quantity one, and then package and send it wherever you want them to.

obviously not free, but i seem to recall, a LOT less expensive then buying the machine yourself. i haven't tried it yet. don't know if i'll get arround to it. but it IS one step closer to access to that sort of thing for all of us.

they had some real trippie samples of stuff people had made, sent the geometry to them and had them rp it out. and i THINK, i don't recall the specifics, but i THINK the cost was actually within mortal reach, other then of course shipping if you're further away then someplace in europe.

(still not as much fun as having one in your own garage would be though, of course. there's also an almost comodity wood and wax carving cnc in the home workshop price range. a couple of them i think. i seem to recall one of the big plotter makers sells one, or did for a while, and then there's kits of all the pieces for benchtop sized cnc machines too. and someone on here i think it was, mentioned looking for second hand stl tanks on ebay or something. well i haven't done any of those things yet either. stuff my dreams are made of anyway)