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Al-Qaida-linked Web site backs McCain as president
Oct 21 11:40 PM US/Eastern
By PAMELA HESS
Associated Press Writer
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Al-Qaida supporters suggested in a Web site message this week they would welcome a pre-election terror attack on the U.S. as a way to usher in a McCain presidency.

The message, posted Monday on the password-protected al-Hesbah Web site, said if al-Qaida wants to exhaust the United States militarily and economically, "impetuous" Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain is the better choice because he is more likely to continue the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"This requires presence of an impetuous American leader such as McCain, who pledged to continue the war till the last American soldier," the message said. "Then, al-Qaida will have to support McCain in the coming elections so that he continues the failing march of his predecessor, Bush."

SITE Intelligence Group, based in Bethesda, Md., monitors the Web site and translated the message.

"If al-Qaida carries out a big operation against American interests," the message said, "this act will be support of McCain because it will push the Americans deliberately to vote for McCain so that he takes revenge for them against al-Qaida. Al-Qaida then will succeed in exhausting America till its last year in it."

Mark Salter, a senior McCain adviser, said he had heard about the Web site chatter but had no immediate comment.

The message is credited to a frequent and apparently respected contributor named Muhammad Haafid. However, Haafid is not believed to have a direct affiliation with al-Qaida plans or knowledge of its operations, according to SITE.

SITE senior analyst Adam Raisman said this message caught SITE's attention because there has been little other chatter on the forums about the U.S. election.

SITE was struck by the message's detailed analysis—and apparent jubilation—about American financial woes.

"What we try to do is get the pulse of the jihadist community," Raisman said. "And it's about the financial crisis."

Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden issued a videotape just four days before the 2004 U.S. presidential election directly addressing the American people.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93VA3B80&show_article=1

So, a vote for McCain is a vote for the terrorists that attacked us on 9/11...

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93VA3B80&show_article=1

So, a vote for McCain is a vote for the terrorists that attacked us on 9/11...
Wouldn't it be smarter to appear to back up the other candidate while actually "supporting" the other?

ie. McCain - Backed up by Al Qaida, ain't gonna win many votes y'know? :tongue:

"This is just a ploy by the O(b)SAMA campaign to dirty our campaign" - perfect response, I demand payment by McCain for this.

Wouldn't it be smarter to appear to back up the other candidate while actually "supporting" the other?

ie. McCain - Backed up by Al Qaida, ain't gonna win many votes y'know? :tongue:

Well that's what they want you to think. Reverse psychology, they want Obama to win.

Because he is their friend:p

Haafid is not believed to have a direct affiliation with al-Qaida plans or knowledge of its operations, according to SITE.

meh

Maybe its just a case of Islamic trolling?

Well that's what they want you to think. Reverse psychology, they want Obama to win.

Because he is their friend:p
On the other hand, because we know this complex scenario of Al Qaida appearing to back up McCain in order to support Obama, perhaps they're really supporting McCain after all because knowing supporting McCain is an easy ploy for Obama to gain votes they actually support McCain because public knowing and seeing through the easy ploy - which might or might not exist - they actually vote for McCain because Al Qaida appears to support McCain instead of voting for Obama because Al Qaida supports McCain!

I'm confused :(

meh

The same organisation thought that concept art for Fallout 3 was used in a terrorist threat, BTW

On the other hand, because we know this complex scenario of Al Qaida appearing to back up McCain in order to support Obama, perhaps they're really supporting McCain after all because knowing supporting McCain is an easy ploy for Obama to gain votes they actually support McCain because public knowing and seeing through the easy ploy - which might or might not exist - they actually vote for McCain because Al Qaida appears to support McCain instead of voting for Obama because Al Qaida supports McCain!

I'm confused :(

You're confused?

The same organisation thought that concept art for Fallout 3 was used in a terrorist threat, BTW

Really?

Really?


Yeah, I read about it on the Fallout 3 forums. They said that they found it on a radical islamic site.

Maybe the radicals enjoy games too?

This will probably affect Obama voters who thought they were voting for the evil Muslim who will bring glory to Allah. Now that they know that McCain is their man, they'll vote for him. Poor Obama. He's lost the terrorist vote now. :(

This will probably affect Obama voters who thought they were voting for the evil Muslim who will bring glory to Allah. Now that they know that McCain is their man, they'll vote for him. Poor Obama. He's lost the terrorist vote now. :(
Aye, I thought Obama was the one who hated freedom - now I'm not so sure :(

(also Lampkin would be a terrible VP, and I want Apollo back as CAG, his American accent has been shot to pieces by acting with someone vaguely Irish)

well i wouldn't be surprissed, if there was an al-cia-duh, that it would, i'm just not convinced that there even is an alquieda, other then as a false flag to CREATE a threat to excuse the robbery of civil and environmental rights.

Aye, I thought Obama was the one who hated freedom - now I'm not so sure :(

(also Lampkin would be a terrible VP, and I want Apollo back as CAG, his American accent has been shot to pieces by acting with someone vaguely Irish)

I'd just think Lampkin would be funny as VP. But Adama (Apollo) was born to be president.

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Al'Qaeda is a business. If Obama gets elected and follows through with his vows then their business will be harder to keep running because not only would the military power be focused on them specifically as opposed to being spread like shit on Iraq and Afghanistan indiscriminately, they'll find their base of support eroding as the root causes of those support are addressed and dealt with.

On the other hand, everyone knows McCain will simply be a Third Bush Term- even Al'Qaeda. Why else would they hope he gets elected? They're certainly not the kind of people who'd be happy to give up terrorism if their rationalizations for terrorism are dismantled.

mccain needs all the endorsements he can get but im thinking that the alqaeda demographic isnt all that large in the US.

Now where have we seen that before...

*rummages* *rummages* Aha!

http://www.idrewthis.org/comics/idt20040405binladen.gif

And if Mao supported Obama, that would change your minds? Really? Are we so intellectually dishonest that we're actually claiming this will change anyone's mind about who they're voting for?

And if Mao supported Obama, that would change your minds? Really? Are we so intellectually dishonest that we're actually claiming this will change anyone's mind about who they're voting for?Nah, it's an observation how all those t-shirts that claim "9 out of 10 terrorists agree: Obama for President" couldn't be further from the truth.

Nah, it's an observation how all those t-shirts that claim "9 out of 10 terrorists agree: Obama for President" couldn't be further from the truth.

Oh, no, they're true. Unfortunately though, the 10th terrorist was Osama Bin Laden.

Nah, it's an observation how all those t-shirts that claim "9 out of 10 terrorists agree: Obama for President" couldn't be further from the truth.

lawl

http://www.secularconservative.net/attachments/bush.jpg

lawl

http://www.secularconservative.net/attachments/bush.jpgSee? If you actually make the effort to ask the terrorists, it turns out whoever made that shirt was dead wrong.

"This is just a ploy by the O(b)SAMA campaign to dirty our campaign" - perfect response, I demand payment by McCain for this.

You need to make a reference to an obscure third grade in a rural school before you could even hope for payment.

In truth, the report is irrelevant; the threat, or lack thereof, posed by Al-Quaeda has ever been exaggurated when expedient. Indeed, surely there are better factors determining electoral patterns than the putative opinions of a terrorist cell that last successfully attacked the west when?

And if Mao supported Obama, that would change your minds? Really? Are we so intellectually dishonest that we're actually claiming this will change anyone's mind about who they're voting for?

HMMM When he came out for Kerry you are telling that changed no ones minds....... As for changing my mind no my votes already cast for Obama.

lawl

http://www.secularconservative.net/attachments/bush.jpg

If by "terrorists" you mean "American Citizens concerned about the nation's economy, the direction of the country's foreign policy, the erosion of civil liberties and the assault on the Separation of Church and State."

But hey, a fresh new screen name that just screams 'Bushevik'. What a surprahs, surprahs, surprahs.

Bush was a terrorists best friend he played right into Bin-Ladens hand. Opening up multiple fronts in the middle east and draing our economy putting us in a hole.

See? If you actually make the effort to ask the terrorists, it turns out whoever made that shirt was dead wrong.

I'm sure if we asked the terrorists which infidel they would like to see leading the Great Satan, their answer would be based largely on a nuanced examination of each candidate's tax plan and not some kind of insane rant about Allah's will.

Bush was a terrorists best friend he played right into Bin-Ladens hand. Opening up multiple fronts in the middle east and draing our economy putting us in a hole.

I disagree. His failure was either an inability, or reticence, to employ sufficient military force to effect a succesful resolution.

I'm sure if we asked the terrorists which infidel they would like to see leading the Great Satan, their answer would be based largely on a nuanced examination of each candidate's tax plan and not some kind of insane rant about Allah's will.Swing and miss.

I disagree. His failure was either an inability, or reticence, to employ sufficient military force to effect a succesful resolution.

Lets take into acount that there was no Al-Queda in Iraq before we invaded. Lets remeber Al-Queda has grown larger since our invasion of Iraq. Let's us remeber why Osama attacked the world trade center on 9/11. It was an economic attack. Osama Bin Laden is not stupid enough to think he can beat the American military as it is. His goal always was to destroy our economy by sucking us into neverending wars in the middle east that would cost us billions of dollars every year.

Lets take into acount that there was no Al-Queda in Iraq before we invaded. Lets remeber Al-Queda has grown larger since our invasion of Iraq. Let's us remeber why Osama attacked the world trade center on 9/11. It was an economic attack. Osama Bin Laden is not stupid enough to think he can beat the American military as it is. His goal always was to destroy our economy by sucking us into neverending wars in the middle east that would cost us billions of dollars every year.

I daresay there was an Al-Quaeda presence, if highly limited, in Iraq, prior to invasion. Far less substantial than that in other states, but to deny any presence seems a little simplistic.

Moreover, the notion that intervention in Iraq, or an equivalent, was necessarily protratced, is flawed. Intervention could simply have entailed deposition, and transfer to a United Nations taskforce, who would have been rather better recieved than the coalition. The failure of the Bush administration was rather its idealism; had it accepted the futility of any democratic Iraqi polity, and simply installed a miitary dictator, Iraq would have been adequately pacified, and intervention less protratced.

I daresay there was an Al-Quaeda presence, if highly limited, in Iraq, prior to invasion. Far less substantial than that in other states, but to deny any presence seems a little simplistic.

Moreover, the notion that intervention in Iraq, or an equivalent, was necessarily protratced, is flawed. Intervention could simply have entailed deposition, and transfer to a United Nations taskforce, who would have been rather better recieved than the coalition. The failure of the Bush administration was rather its idealism; had it accepted the futility of any democratic Iraqi polity, and simply installed a miitary dictator, Iraq would have been adequately pacified, and intervention less protratced.

Of course the sudden need to invade Iraq also left Afghanistan half-assed right on the heels of an internationally approved cleaning job that left the Taliban reeling on the edge of a proper Fatality.

Instead we have two Middle Eastern countries under occupation and insurgency with questionable internal government that's sucking money and human lives from the United States with little to show for it after 6 years. This compared to say... World War 2.

... little to show for it after 6 years. This compared to say... World War 2.

I'm so glad we immediately pulled all troops out of Germany and Japan after we won. Their spontaneous transformation into stable democracies is a testament to their national pride and American military might.

Al Qaida backs McCain, lol. Al Qadia backs McCain so you back Obama and Al Qaida wins. Hamas is on record of supporting Obama. Obama wins, Al Qaida and Hamas wins. According to the polls this election is over anyways.

Of course the sudden need to invade Iraq also left Afghanistan half-assed right on the heels of an internationally approved cleaning job that left the Taliban reeling on the edge of a proper Fatality.

Instead we have two Middle Eastern countries under occupation and insurgency with questionable internal government that's sucking money and human lives from the United States with little to show for it after 6 years. This compared to say... World War 2.

Hardly. Comparable to a grade A cock-up, but not the Second World War.

You are correct regarding Afghanistan, though.

Al Qaida backs McCain, lol. Al Qadia backs McCain so you back Obama and Al Qaida wins. Hamas is on record of supporting Obama. Obama wins, Al Qaida and Hamas wins. According to the polls this election is over anyways.
Which is why I'm voting for Nader =D

I daresay there was an Al-Quaeda presence, if highly limited, in Iraq, prior to invasion.

False.
Far less substantial than that in other states, but to deny any presence seems a little simplistic.

You are forgetting that Iraq under Saddam was a tightly controlled police state. Saddam and Osama hated each other.

I'm so glad we immediately pulled all troops out of Germany and Japan after we won. Their spontaneous transformation into stable democracies is a testament to their national pride and American military might.

Germany was still occupied by American forces for decades, and if the US was not physically present in Japan, MacArthur's fleet was hardly far removed.

Moroever, you neglect the role of economics; US loans, and grants, best evdienced by the Marshall Plan, were integral in the economic recovery of both Axis powers, and their reception of this was largely contingent upon their adhering to the political road laid for them by Washington. The "democratic" state of Japan and Germany owes everything to the USA.

Germany was still occupied by American forces for decades, and if the US was not physically present in Japan, MacArthur's fleet was hardly far removed.

Moroever, you neglect the role of economics; US loans, and grants, best evdienced by the Marshall Plan, were integral in the economic recovery of both Axis powers, and their reception of this was largely contingent upon their adhering to the political road laid for them by Washington. The "democratic" state of Japan and Germany owes everything to the USA.

.. that was more or less my point.

Sarcasm. Have you heard of it?

False.


You are forgetting that Iraq under Saddam was a tightly controlled police state. Saddam and Osama hated each other.

Iraq is a bloody large country, and the geography of the north, and the Iranian border, lends itself excellently infiltration. Don't be simplistic.

Germany was still occupied by American forces for decades, and if the US was not physically present in Japan, MacArthur's fleet was hardly far removed.

Moroever, you neglect the role of economics; US loans, and grants, best evdienced by the Marshall Plan, were integral in the economic recovery of both Axis powers, and their reception of this was largely contingent upon their adhering to the political road laid for them by Washington. The "democratic" state of Japan and Germany owes everything to the USA.Not everything. The Marshall plan was necessary, but not the driving factor. Or how would you explain that Germany and Japan managed to become the leading industrial powers after the US while nations that received more aid did not?

.. that was more or less my point.

Sarcasm. Have you heard of it?

Never really transmits particularly well without facial expression and tone of voice, and, given the calibre of poster we've had, anything could be taken at face value.

Lord, can't we have a republican supporter who isn't a total tool?

Not everything. The Marshall plan was necessary, but not the driving factor. Or how would you explain that Germany and Japan managed to become the leading industrial powers after the US while nations that received more aid did not?

Of the recipients, Japan and Germany were the most industrialised before the war. Which may, I appreciate, have been your point, but equally, it was what I meant to imply originally.

Lord, can't we have a republican supporter who isn't a total tool?

Part of the job description, sorry.

Iraq is a bloody large country, and the geography of the north, and the Iranian border, lends itself excellently infiltration. Don't be simplistic.Except that "infiltrating" into Iraq was not a good route toward finding Americans to attack, until we stupidly put a bunch of our boys there.

US politics, US election campaings, give me a terrible headache. :(

Except that "infiltrating" into Iraq was not a good route toward finding Americans to attack, until we stupidly put a bunch of our boys there.

Because clearly Al-Quaeda exists only to attack white capitalists? Bloody simplistic interpretation of heterogenous, diffuse and polyglot entity.

Because clearly Al-Quaeda exists only to attack white capitalists?
Yes. Where have you been?

Because clearly Al-Quaeda exists only to attack white capitalists? Bloody simplistic interpretation of heterogenous, diffuse and polyglot entity.

No they exist to attack any threat to extemist muslim values. This encompasses most of the planet.

It should be common knowledge that our enemies support the candidates that will continue to exhaust us militarially and economically while destroying our standing in the world and ruining allainces. This, if its legit, just confirms what Ive been saying for the past 5 years.

because clearly al-quaeda exists only to attack white capitalists? Bloody simplistic interpretation of heterogenous, diffuse and polyglot entity.

youre back! :D

Al Qaida backs McCain, lol. Al Qadia backs McCain so you back Obama and Al Qaida wins. Hamas is on record of supporting Obama. Obama wins, Al Qaida and Hamas wins. According to the polls this election is over anyways.

One day, you will show us support for your wild claims?

Of the recipients, Japan and Germany were the most industrialised before the war. Which may, I appreciate, have been your point, but equally, it was what I meant to imply originally.Don't know about Japan, but the state of German industry after the war was nowhere near comparable.

Don't know about Japan, but the state of German industry after the war was nowhere near comparable.People who knew how to build industries, run industries, work in industries continued to exist in both countries. They do not exist in a lot of countries.

People who knew how to build industries, run industries, work in industries continued to exist in both countries. They do not exist in a lot of countries.No, actually most of them were dead or continued to exist in Russian POW camps. Or there were restrictions to prevent them from gaining work experience, such as with pilots.

No, actually most of them were dead or continued to exist in Russian POW camps. Or there were restrictions to prevent them from gaining work experience, such as with pilots.Then who were those mysterious people living in West Germany in the late 1940's and 50's? Exclusively people who had been completely unemployed before the war?

Then who were those mysterious people living in West Germany in the late 1940's and 50's? Exclusively people who had been completely unemployed before the war?Yup. We call them women.

Apart from that, most of the industry was effectively dismantled by the bombing campaigns. Stuff like that doesn't pop up over night and Germany certainly received a hell of a lot more bombs than the Allied countries.

Yup. We call them women.
There were no males at all left in Germany? How did the women breed, then?
Stuff like that doesn't pop up over night
Nobody claimed it popped up "over night". The observation was simply that it is easier for such things to pop up again, at all, in places where the people have had previous familiarity with industrial civilization than in places where there never has been any.

There were no males at all left in Germany? How did the women breed, then?Some, yes, but primarily the disabled. Almost all of the clean up work right after the end of hostilities was done by women because the men were either dead, imprisoned, or no longer being held as slaves and went home.
Nobody claimed it popped up "over night". The observation was simply that it is easier for such things to pop up again, at all, in places where the people have had previous familiarity with industrial civilization than in places where there never has been any.Which would be irrelevant since neither France nor the UK were non-industrialized. Both received more aid from the Marshall plan and had less bombs dropped on them than Germany, and yet neither managed to do what Germany did.

I don't think the input of any Al Qaeda wannabe should have any influence on this election whatsoever.

why would they want a guy, who will bomb the crap out of them, to be president. They obviously are just trying to get Obama elected, in hopes that the American people will find a link between and al-quaida and John McCain, and not vote for him.

I hope the American People are smarter than that..........

why would they want a guy, who will bomb the crap out of them, to be president. They obviously are just trying to get Obama elected, in hopes that the American people will find a link between and al-quaida and John McCain, and not vote for him.

I hope the American People are smarter than that..........

WHAT A LIE. What about 2004 was AL-Queda using reverse phycology then too when they endorsed Kerry, and if so why did americans elect Bush.

Because Americans were smart, and didn't take the input of a terrorist organization to effect their decisions.

And maybe, just maybe, Al Qeuda is is led by abunch of idiots.

Because Americans were smart, and didn't take the input of a terrorist organization to effect their decisions.

Then you agree vote for Obama.

I am not old enough to vote, and I sure as heck would not vote for Obama. If I had to vote for someone, it would be McCain, for the fact that Obama simply is not qualified to lead a country of the size and stature of the United States.

And maybe, just maybe, Al Qeuda is is led by abunch of idiots.
Unfortunately, they aren't.

I am not old enough to vote, and I sure as heck would not vote for Obama. If I had to vote for someone, it would be McCain, for the fact that Obama simply is not qualified to lead a country of the size and stature of the United States.
You really think Mrs. Palin is cut out to be the next president? She's less qualified than Mr. Obama.

Well Obama isn't facing Mrs. Palin, He is facing McCain. But, no Palin could not be president. And no I don't think McCain will die in the next 4 years. If no one assassinated Bush, no one will ever assassinate McCain.

I am not old enough to vote

This...explains...so much

And no I don't think McCain will die in the next 4 years. If no one assassinated Bush, no one will ever assassinate McCain.

And after all, short of an assassination, what could possibly cause a 72 year old with a history of cancer and years of physical torture, to suddenly die?

so does half the population in this country who are of voting age, not voting. At least I care enough to want to make a difference. I am almost 18 anyway, just not close enough

I am not old enough to vote, and I sure as heck would not vote for Obama. If I had to vote for someone, it would be McCain, for the fact that Obama simply is not qualified to lead a country of the size and stature of the United States.

Obama is more than qualified. Obama is much more intelligent than Mcain, and has a harvard education. The idea that Mcain is more qualified is a common fallacy. Mcain has sold his soul to the gop which will continue the policies that put us into an economic and foriegn policy crisis. Before you get old enough to vote you should learn to refresh yourself with the issues, and not irelevant propaganda. Experience is far from the most important attribute of a president decision making is. No job in the country can properly prepare you for the massive stress, and importance of being a president. Mcains experience as a senator means nil, nada, nothing.

Well Obama isn't facing Mrs. Palin, He is facing McCain. But, no Palin could not be president. And no I don't think McCain will die in the next 4 years. If no one assassinated Bush, no one will ever assassinate McCain.

You fail to realize that Mcain would be the oldest president ever elected in his first term. Perhaps you never heard of president Harrison who died two weeks into office. He was critized as being to old, and he was younger than Mcain.

I believe Mr. Bush had a yale education.........doesn't prove a thing. John McCain has been around town, longer than Obama has. He is more experienced. And just remember. No matter who wins, they both have to compromise their views. And yes, I do know the issues.

You fail to realize that Mcain would be the oldest president ever elected in his first term. Perhaps you never heard of president Mckinley who died two weeks into office. He was critized as being to old, and he was younger than Mcain.

McKinley was, however, shot, and died as a result of infection from the wounds, nothing much to do with age.

You fail to realize that Mcain would be the oldest president ever elected in his first term. Perhaps you never heard of president Mckinley who died two weeks into office. He was critized as being to old, and he was younger than Mcain.


We have better Health technology, and life expectancy is higher today than back then.

I believe Mr. Bush had a yale education.........

Funny how he only got C grades at school though. I'm sure his dad can't have helped get him in though, the people at Yale must have seen his hidden brilliance and determination to allow the human being and the fish to co-exist peacefully.

We have better Health technology, and life expectancy is higher today than back then.

We don't have a cure for old age, though.

Funny how he only got C grades at school though. I'm sure his dad can't have helped get him in though, the people at Yale must have seen his hidden brilliance and determination to allow the human being and the fish to co-exist peacefully.

Exactly. Just because you go to a great school, doesn't prove your wisdom.

To be fair life expectancy for males is somewhere around 76 so McCain could last a term.

However..
a. I still don't like those odds when the repplacement is *shudder* Palin
b. I am sceptical about America's ability to last a term of McCain

I believe Mr. Bush had a yale education.........doesn't prove a thing. John McCain has been around town, longer than Obama has. He is more experienced. And just remember. No matter who wins, they both have to compromise their views. And yes, I do know the issues.

Mr. Bush's daddy bought that Yale education Obama had to earn his. If you know the issues why are you harping on experience when it is in reality a non issue.

We have better Health technology, and life expectancy is higher today than back then.

True but William Henry Harrison was younger than Mcain, and being president is one of the stress filled jobs on the planet. Stress is very detrimental to ones health.

We don't have a cure for old age, though.

We may have, it could be under wraps.

We may have, it could be under wraps.

Well thats a weak argument if ever I heard one.

McCain could be a communist spy. They might have indoctrinated him at the POW camp and he kept it a secret for 40 years.

Mr. Bush's daddy bought that Yale education Obama had to earn his. If you know the issues why are you harping on experience when it is in reality a non issue.


Experience is a Huge Issue!

Well Obama isn't facing Mrs. Palin,
Yes, he is.

But, no Palin could not be president.
Yet you would vote for her. Indirectly, perhaps, but she would be the second in line. And when McCain goes - which might be today, tomorrow, or 10 years from now - if he does so during the next 4 years, she will be the person you would have voted into office.

And no I don't think McCain will die in the next 4 years.
The man has cancer. Why is it impossible for him to die?

McKinley was, however, shot, and died as a result of infection from the wounds, nothing much to do with age.

Ya I meant william Henry Harrison

We may have, it could be under wraps.

Ahahahahaha.

Experience is a Huge Issue!

No its not, or it shouldnt be. No amount of senatorial experience can prepare you more than another cannidate for the white house.

We may have, it could be under wraps.

the FUCK?

Yes, he is.


Yet you would vote for her. Indirectly, perhaps, but she would be the second in line. And when McCain goes - which might be today, tomorrow, or 10 years from now - if he does so during the next 4 years, she will be the person you would have voted into office.


The man has cancer. Why is it impossible for him to die?


It is a very mild cancer, he is in a good condition for his age, and he has the will to survive, and lead this great country.

I'm curious how much experience at being president ANYONE has the first time they run for president.

the white house.

This is why Osama/Bin Laden the Islamofascist Commie ****** can't be president, the house is only for white people.

No its not, or it shouldnt be. No amount of senatorial experience can prepare you more than another cannidate for the white house.


I'm sure there is alot of behind the scenes stuff that takes place, getting to eople, and making decisions, that can be a valuable asset to have when one wants to become president.

This is why Osama/Bin Laden the Islamofascist Commie ****** can't be president, the house is only for white people.

Good point.

Experience is a Huge Issue!

McCain has got as much experience at being president as Obama. Strange, no?

I'm sure there is alot of behind the scenes stuff that takes place, getting to eople, and making decisions, that can be a valuable asset to have when one wants to become president.

Yup. I hear that junior senator from Illinois has quite a bit of experience in doing that as a up and coming senator.

this is why osama/bin laden the islamofascist commie ****** can't be president, the house is only for white people.

.......................................................... *grabs bat*

Good point.

Are you serious?

Good point.

Captain Oblivious: 1
Sarcasm: 0

McCain has got as much experience at being president as Obama. Strange, no?


I'm curious as to how you can make that claim. McCain has served much longer in the U.S government, than Obama has.

.......................................................... *grabs bat*

Read my earlier posts, it was a joke.

I'm curious as to how you can make that claim. McCain has served much longer in the U.S government, than Obama has.

As president?

Are you serious?

No of course not!, I was also being sarcastic

It is a very mild cancer, he is in a good condition for his age, and he has the will to survive, and lead this great country.

Yeah... Doesn't change a thing. "Mild cancer" and "in good condition" are your subjective notions (Has he released all of his medical records yet?), and does nothing to stop him from perishing from the disease should it come to that.

I don't wish it upon him, but it's there. So you really have to take Palin seriously.

I'm curious as to how you can make that claim. McCain has served much longer in the U.S government, than Obama has.

McCain: Days as president: 0
Obama: Days as president: 0

I hope that's not too complicated for you...

Yeah... Doesn't change a thing. "Mild cancer" and "in good condition" are your subjective notions (Has he released all of his medical records yet?), and does nothing to stop him from perishing from the disease should it come to that.

I don't wish it upon him, but it's there. So you really have to take Palin seriously.


Ok. If Palin is president, what is the worst thing that can happen?

Read my earlier posts, it was a joke.

I know I cant really hit you with a bat over the internet any ways.

Ok. If Palin is president, what is the worst thing that can happen?

War with Russia, economic collapse and the teaching of creationism as Science in schools.

McCain: Days as president: 0
Obama: Days as president: 0

I hope that's not too complicated for you...


Since when is the US. Government, just the executive branch?

Ok. If Palin is president, what is the worst thing that can happen?

Invasion of Iran, severing of ties with Russia, second Cold War, extinction of Polar Bears and wolves in Alaska, etc.

McCain: Days as president: 0
Obama: Days as president: 0

I hope that's not too complicated for you...

War with Russia, economic collapse and the teaching of creationism as Science in schools.

Yeah....like thats really going to happen.

Ok. If Palin is president, what is the worst thing that can happen?

She gets a hold of the nuclear codes... Really what else would it be.
She is our nations leader in a time of foriegn and economic crisis?
She is less competent than Bush which is F*CKING SCARY

Yeah....like thats really going to happen.

Um economic collapse is already going on.

Since when is the US. Government, just the executive branch?

Gravlen said that they had the same amount of presidential experience, you asked how so, he answered and he's right.

Yeah....like thats really going to happen.

Economic collapse looks probable. Read the news much?

You can really tell when you're arguing with a child...

Economic collapse looks probable. Read the news much?

Economic collapse is happening right now. Palin won't make her own policy's, she will follow McCains

Ok. If Palin is president, what is the worst thing that can happen?

Full-scale nuclear warfare as she attempts to usher in the Rapture.

Economic collapse is happening right now. Palin won't make her own policy's, she will follow McCains

And McCain's policies are different from the ones which caused this mess... how?

Economic collapse is happening right now. Palin won't make her own policy's, she will follow McCains

Yeah, until he DIES.

Economic collapse is happening right now. Palin won't make her own policy's, she will follow McCains

Which would fail things will only get worse.

Yeah, until the DIES.

Hmm, McCain could lead the country from beyond the grave through the power of prayer.

You can really tell when you're arguing with a child...

You can really tell when you are argueing with an idiot.

Full-scale nuclear warfare as she attempts to usher in the Rapture.

I'd say that horrifying woman nominating supreme court justices. No abortion under any circumstances.

You can really tell when you are argueing with an idiot.

Thats not arguing at all. Thats mudslinging. Back to arguing!

You can really tell when you are argueing with an idiot.

Irony.

You can really tell when you are argueing with an idiot.

definitely, considering how easily they identify themselves. Thanks for that.

definitely, considering how easily they identify themselves. Thanks for that.

No thank you

Thats not arguing at all. Thats mudslinging. Back to arguing!

I came here for an argument! Oh I'm sorry, this is abuse.

definitely, considering how easily they identify themselves. Thanks for that.

Ha! I win!

This is just mean.

Ha! I win!

pft, my post was longer.

No thank you

Will you be able to vote next election?

Ok. If Palin is president, what is the worst thing that can happen?
Do you really want to go down that road? When Bush became president, the worst thing people thought could happen was that he would be too folksy in the White House, and that he wouldn't fund scientific initiatives properly due to his religious views.

Boy o' boy, I believe Palin could be worse than Bush!

Since when is the US. Government, just the executive branch?
Strange that you're the only one claiming it to be that. Go back and re-read my post.

pft, my post was longer.

Laconic wit, it's just better.

Barack Obama: Days as president of the Harvard law review: 365

Barack Obama: Days as president of the Harvard law review: 365

Threadwin.

Will you be able to vote next election?

Yes

I'm not wasting my time here anymore, we can all make claims backed with little fact, but I getting sick.

I'm not wasting my time here anymore

probably a smart move junior. Come back when you're a little bit older and a little bit wiser.

but I getting sick.

Poor grammar make argument sound bad

probably a smart move junior. Come back when you're a little bit older and a little bit wiser.

I'm back........well lets hear your side of the story. Why should Obama be president?

I'm not wasting my time here anymore, we can all make claims backed with little fact
Mainly you


I getting sick

You maked you word's not right, you be silly and ungrammared.

Mainly you




You maked you word's not right, you be silly and ungrammared.




yup.....personal attacks usually mean a loss of anything dignifying to say.

You maked you word's not right, you be silly and ungrammared.

Me fail english? That's unpossible!

I'm back........well lets hear your side of the story. Why should Obama be president?

You're seeking an argument with Neo Art? Oh, this is going to be interesting.

*gets pop corn*

Continue, please...:D

yup.....personal attacks usually mean a loss of anything dignifying to say.

You haven't really given us anything more to respond with kiddo, other than "McCain has more presidential experience than Obama!" and "McCain won't die in office, because nobody is going to shoot at him!"

And of course, let's not forget the "they might be keeping the cure for old age under wraps!" You haven't given us substance, you haven't given us a grasp for your positions are, or what rational reason you have for holding them, you haven't given us any reasoning for believing the way you do, you've just given us some definitive statements of "oh, that won't happen!" and a round of "I know you are but what am I?"

When you leave us no argument to dissect, all we can do is point that fact out, and wonder aloud how this impacts your credibility as an intelligent, reasonable individual.

You're seeking an argument with Neo Art? Oh, this is going to be interesting.

*gets pop corn*

Continue, please...:D

not an argument, I just want to see why he thinks Obama is the better candidate.

yup.....personal attacks usually mean a loss of anything dignifying to say.

You can really tell when you are argueing with an idiot.

...

And of course, let's not forget the "they might be keeping the cure for old age under wraps!"


That was meant to be a weak joke, but I guess some people can't see humor.

yup.....personal attacks usually mean a loss of anything dignifying to say.

Funny how you were the only one making personal attacks. Looks like you have nothing dignifying to say, but that was obvious from the start, wasn't it?

Funny how you were the only one making personal attacks. Looks like you have nothing dignifying to say, but that was obvious from the start, wasn't it?

Lets see some evidence of that.

probably a smart move junior. Come back when you're a little bit older and a little bit wiser.

You can really tell when you are argueing with an idiot.

Poor grammar make argument sound bad

All of you can just knock it off right now, or warnings and bans will start being handed out.

Frisbeeteria
NationStates Senior Game Mod

Lets see some evidence of that.

Your last 15 odd posts.

Very well, I am leaving

Frisbeeteria
NationStates Senior Game Mod

You have to put that in you posts now?

You have to put that in you posts now?

One would assume it is to distunguish posts in a moderatorial capacity to regular posts.

You have to put that in you posts now?

Seems to get their attention better.

Seems to get their attention better.

Not the big bold writing and exact same sentence under your name?

Seems to get their attention better.

You seriously scare me. You do. You're the mod I would be afraid to piss.*nod*

I'm glad; maybe that will sway the Muslim vote for McCain.

not an argument, I just want to see why he thinks Obama is the better candidate.

well for one, reaganomic "trick down" theory of economic growth has been widely discredited, which causes me to believe that while a small group will benefit from McCain's tax plans, the nation as a whole will suffer. Secondly his "health care credit" plan will essentially allow people who already have money to have a different, but not all together more efficient path to health care, while those who are already so low income as to not qualify for a tax credit, will essentially be left in the cold. Ironic since these are the people who need it most. Additionally, since the plan is a woefully underpaid amount, this will only encourage younger, more healthy individuals from opting out of employer plans, thus driving those plans up.

On the foreign front, I believe McCain's plan in Iraq is fundamentally flawed, and one that does not take into account real politics in play. I find Obama's guidelines both more realistic, and more beneficial, requiring good faith demonstrations of actual change, instead of a "we'll be here as long as it takes" mentality. I also favor Obama's plan to refocus on Afghanistan, rather than Iraq, since, if we see a re-emergence of a viable al qaeda threat, it will come from here.

Diplomatically, Obama's stance seems more rational. To meet with foreign leaders on a neutral gorund and develop relationships with a clean slate, is, dimplomatically, far more beneficial and far more likely to produce results than meeting with perceptions and inbuilt bias. I think Obama's support of Israel is more in line with true support OF ISRAEL and not merely an american figurehead in the middle east. He also is a stronger advocate of a two state solution, which I am in favor of.

Legally, he's in favor of civil unions and against a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage, which McCain is more in support of. While it's not as far as I would go, arguing for across the board SSM, it's still the closer line to what I would believe. Palin's die hard support of such an amendment, even in spite of her "I'm a federalist!" pandering, frankly, scares the crap out of me.

Additionally, his support of abortion rights, as opposed to McCain's strong pro life position, especially when the more leftist members of the court are nearing retirement age, is something I am greatly in favor of, especially since with two relatively young conservative appointees, McCain could stack the court to the right for decades to come.

Likewise from an science standpoint, his support of alternative fuel sources, stem cell research, while at the same time supporting modest, but not overblown, domestic drilling, while forcing oil companies to tap existing fields BEFORE getting new areas like ANWAR and offshore fields ot drill into, is practical common sense.

That's the basic tip of the iceberg.

Oh...sorry, were you expecting something along the lines of "'cause he's COOL!"?

Sorry junior, I left highschool behind a long time ago.

You seriously scare me. You do. You're the mod I would be afraid to piss.*nod*

I would also be afraid if I was pissing mods. Imagine them in your toilet. *Shudders*

I would also be afraid if I was pissing mods. Imagine them in your toilet. *Shudders*

I'm going to have nightmarish dreams about seeing Fris's eyes reflected on my toilet water. :eek2:

Not the big bold writing and exact same sentence under your name?

Stop trying to get your post count up, and live with it. It's called a signature.

I'm going to have nightmarish dreams about seeing Fris's eyes reflected on my toilet water. :eek2:

J-Horror with a smattering of Scat Porn. Eeew.

J-Horror with a smattering of Scat Porn. Eeew.

Yes, shudder-worthy!

I'm glad; maybe that will sway the Muslim vote for McCain.

Are you trolling now?

Stop trying to get your post count up, and live with it. It's called a signature.

It's not actually a signature, look again, and if the purpose of that post wasn't to get your post count up, then what was it?

Are you trolling now?

What do you mean now?

Al qaida is bored, apparently. It's been a while since they managed a really good mass murder, and I guess they have nothing better to do than dick with us to keep people from forgetting they exist.

Al qaida is bored, apparently. It's been a while since they managed a really good mass murder, and I guess they have nothing better to do than dick with us to keep people from forgetting they exist.

Cuz Al-Qaeda's an attention whore.:D

Cuz Al-Qaeda's an attention whore.:D

Indeez they are. :p

Cuz Al-Qaeda's an attention whore.:D
No joke. In my opinion, all terrorists are just that, attention whores - worst case scenario.

Al qaida is bored, apparently. It's been a while since they managed a really good mass murder, and I guess they have nothing better to do than dick with us to keep people from forgetting they exist.

Cuz Al-Qaeda's an attention whore.:D

Terrorism is all about attention whoring by its very nature. If they blew shit up, killed lots of people and nobody noticed, much less gave a shit then they wouldn't be able to get their political messages across ya know?

:D

No joke. In my opinion, all terrorists are just that, attention whores - worst case scenario.

Indeed. Attention whores and drama queens.

Because Americans were smart,...In 2004? When they elected Bush? A minority still thinks so. Besides, all you need to do is take one ride on a Greyhound bus to disprove your hypothesis.

It's not actually a signature, look again, and if the purpose of that post wasn't to get your post count up, then what was it?

It's a post signature. The point of it was to show forum addicts like you that you don't have to spam on every comment. Enough said. End of.

I'm glad; maybe that will sway the Muslim vote for McCain.

Are you trolling now?

Apparently Junior missed an article I posted a while back in the main election thread (which was probably a mistake) that mentioned Republican Muslims.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14119984&postcount=3091

The fact that Muslims would support and vote for the party that has for the most part encouraged stereotypes and fearmongering of their religion as the ultimate in violent terrorism says something about their determination to live the American Dream.

I'm back........well lets hear your side of the story. Why should Obama be president?

There are many reasons, but I will summarize a few for you.

1. His promise to set a timetable for withdraw from Iraq. A war that is quickly draining our resources and lossing respect for ourselves abroad. A war that is a big reason for our current econmic crisis and trillion dollar budget deficit.
2. His tax plan would cut taxes for the vast majority of Americans who are now struggling, but still increase the government tax revenue by raising taxes slightly on the wealthy. 5% of this countries population controls 90% of the money in this country. Their succes is directly due to the American system so they should stop whining about a tax increase. Their government ensures the free market they made all their money in. The idea that it is somehow class warfare is BS. If that were true the last 8 years have also been class warfare except on the middle class.
3. Obamas Healthcare plan would expand coverage for Americans making it easier to get Healthcare. While not discouraging some doctors from leaving the country, or increase wait time for certain procedures like some other countries. It would keep privatization in place, but make healthcare universal the best of both worlds.
4. He is simply more intelligent than Mcain.

Thanks!

There are many reasons, but I will summarize a few for you.

1. His promise to set a timetable for withdraw from Iraq. A war that is quickly draining our resources and lossing respect for ourselves abroad. A war that is a big reason for our current econmic crisis and trillion dollar budget deficit.
2. His tax plan would cut taxes for the vast majority of Americans who are now struggling, but still increase the government tax revenue by raising taxes slightly on the wealthy. 5% of this countries population controls 90% of the money in this country. Their succes is directly do to the American system so they should stop whining about a tax increase their government ensures the free market they made all their money in. The idea that it is somehow class warfare is BS. If that were true the last 8 years have also been class warfare except on the middle class.
3. Obamas Healthcare plan would expand coverage for Americans making it easier to get Healthcare. While not discouraging some doctors from leaving the country, or increase wait time for certain procedures like some other countries. It would keep privatization in place, but make healthcare universal the best of both worlds.
4. He is simply more intelligent than Mcain.

5. The election of McCain would be interpreted by the majority of the world as tacit American approval of Bush's policies, with the disastrous implications standard option.

No response. How terribly unsurprising.

5. The election of McCain would be interpreted by the majority of the world as tacit American approval of Bush's policies, with the disastrous implications standard option.

I believe I covered that in one with the losing respect for ourselves abroad comment.

Of course they are backing McCain. The Islamic Fundies would consider Obama an apostate worthy of a beheading. McCain may be a Xtian but atleast he is not an apostate in their book.

I believe I covered that in one with the losing respect for ourselves abroad comment.

Loss of Respect is nowhere near as dangerous to American interests as the world bracing and preparing for 4 More Years of Bushevism by Proxy.

Of course they are backing McCain. The Islamic Fundies would consider Obama an apostate worthy of a beheading. McCain may be a Xtian but atleast he is not an apostate in their book.

They also realize Obama might tackle the root cause of their business in a much more surgical and precise manner than Dear Leader and by extension McCain would if put into office. Apostasy might be an issue to them, but nowhere near the top of the list like Keeping the Business Running.

Of course they are backing McCain. The Islamic Fundies would consider Obama an apostate worthy of a beheading. McCain may be a Xtian but atleast he is not an apostate in their book.
So they've gotten that stupid email claiming he was a muslim as well?

They also realize Obama might tackle the root cause of their business in a much more surgical and precise manner than Dear Leader and by extension McCain would if put into office. Apostasy might be an issue to them, but nowhere near the top of the list like Keeping the Business Running.

Yes Obama issued statements that he would not be afraid to raid the tribal region of Pakistan if the Pakistani government refused to do so. He also talked about the poppy trade in Afganistan a growing problem.

Thanks!

Glad I could help.

So they've gotten that stupid email claiming he was a muslim as well?

technically because his dad was a Muslim. it makes Obama a muslim as far as Muslim fundies are concerned.
here is a fatwa on the matter.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Rechtsgutachten_betr_Apostasie_im_Islam.jpg

technically because his dad was a Muslim. it makes Obama a muslim as far as Muslim fundies are concerned.
here is a fatwa on the matter.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Rechtsgutachten_betr_Apostasie_im_Islam.jpg

That is such a terrible generalization. (Not on your part Greed, but on the Muslim fundies.)

Ok. If Palin is president, what is the worst thing that can happen?
Civil war.

Civil war.

US vs Alaska.

No, more like the same sides as before.

No, more like the same sides as before.

So where will the West be?

So where will the West be?

The north, at least the west coast.

Pacific Coast with the Union, Great Plains with the Confederacy, mountain states sharply divided.

Hawaii?

US vs Alaska.

her husband will be happy.

On the other hand, because we know this complex scenario of Al Qaida appearing to back up McCain in order to support Obama, perhaps they're really supporting McCain after all because knowing supporting McCain is an easy ploy for Obama to gain votes they actually support McCain because public knowing and seeing through the easy ploy - which might or might not exist - they actually vote for McCain because Al Qaida appears to support McCain instead of voting for Obama because Al Qaida supports McCain!

I'm confused :(
Or maybe confusing the voting public is enough for shits and giggles. "If I vote, I make a terrorist happy!"

Ok. If Palin is president, what is the worst thing that can happen?

Start WWIII with Russia, get you all killed in a nuclear exchange that will either incinerate you instantly, or leave you dying a slow and painful radiation induced death as you wander the nuclear scorched wastelands of what was America, watching the sun slowly being blotted out by massive smoke clouds as nuclear winter sets in.

Start WWIII with Russia, get you all killed in a nuclear exchange that will either incinerate you instantly, or leave you dying a slow and painful radiation induced death as you wander the nuclear scorched wastelands of what was America, watching the sun slowly being blotted out by massive smoke clouds as nuclear winter sets in.

"...oops."

OHHHHHHHHH so that is how they are going to get Bin Laden.

Nail him when he goes to vote!

Seriously? You guys think McCaine is going to drain the economy? Think about history here. Obama is making big talk about all the social welfare he's going to introduce. I'm pretty sure the last president who did that was Franklin Deleanor Roosevelt and he took us off the gold standard to do support doing so which caused the gradual decay of our economy in the first place.

Seriously? You guys think McCaine is going to drain the economy? Think about history here. Obama is making big talk about all the social welfare he's going to introduce. I'm pretty sure the last president who did that was Franklin Deleanor Roosevelt and he took us off the gold standard to do support doing so which caused the gradual decay of our economy in the first place.

Its cute how little you know.

Lets see....New Deal type economics....Bush type economics.


Thats a really tough call.


EDIT: Besides, McCain might spend our tax dollars on more designer clothing for Palin. Sorry, Id rather not pay $150,000 of my tax dollars on Palin and her husband's fancy clothes. Id rather pay for a poor person to....eat.

Seriously? You guys think McCaine is going to drain the economy?

No the economy is already drained I think he will drain it further

Think about history here. Obama is making big talk about all the social welfare he's going to introduce.

I heard more about social programs such as healthcare not welfare, but watever.

I'm pretty sure the last president who did that was Franklin Deleanor Roosevelt and he took us off the gold standard to do support doing so which caused the gradual decay of our economy in the first place.

Oh how terribly wrong this is. When F.D.R. was elected we were already in the worst depresion in American history. Yes he took us off the gold standard but that is a good thing. If my history class was correct it was F.D.R. that brought us out of the great depresion.

Oh how terribly wrong this is. When F.D.R. was elected we were already in the worst depression in American history. Yes he took us off the gold standard but that is a good thing. If my history class was correct it was F.D.R. that brought us out of the great depression.

There is a small effort to rewrite history with FDR being bad and making the depression last longer, etc.

Such BS will increase as the people who lived through the depression die off.

I'm curious as to how you can make that claim. McCain has served much longer in the U.S government, than Obama has.

probably already been said at this point but...

Easily, neither of them has been president

Oh how terribly wrong this is. When F.D.R. was elected we were already in the worst depresion in American history. Yes he took us off the gold standard but that is a good thing. If my history class was correct it was F.D.R. that brought us out of the great depresion.

To be fair the thing that FDR did that had the biggest effect on ending the great depression was involving us in WWII...

Would his economic policies have eventually ended the depression? Maybe, impossible to say at this point though.

Makes sense to me. George W. Bush was exactly the man al-Qaeda needed in the White House. They needed a "cowboy" who'd buck any amount of contrary advice in order to invade Iraq and otherwise inflame Muslim sentiment against the USA. If the US President were to be seen as a rational, reasonable person, that's no good for Jihad.

Both sides needed enemies, and both sides got what they needed. Here's hoping that stops.

I'm curious how much experience at being president ANYONE has the first time they run for president.

Yeah, I don't think anyone does, really, except for second termers.

I've seen a commercial (RNC commercial, technically, not McCain, but still...) here in Colorado a couple of times that said something along the lines of "This economic crisis will be Obama's first...in this chair." (It's showing the Oval Office.)

My snarky response?

"It'll be McCain's first too, dumbass!"

Yeah, I don't think anyone does, really, except for second termers.

It *might* be an interesting idea to wait 4 years after the elections before swearing a president in. Then he or she has time to prepare and so on. It forces them to focus on long-term plans in debates. And it helps the current president know what the future will bring.

It *might* be an interesting idea to wait 4 years after the elections before swearing a president in. Then he or she has time to prepare and so on. It forces them to focus on long-term plans in debates. And it helps the current president know what the future will bring.

It *might* be an interesting idea to make the President Emperor for Life.

But that's not like to accomplish anything of real value.

Oh how terribly wrong this is. When F.D.R. was elected we were already in the worst depresion in American history. Yes he took us off the gold standard but that is a good thing. If my history class was correct it was F.D.R. that brought us out of the great depresion.

To be precise, he helped prepare the economy for transitioning from the Great Depression. World War II production is what kicked it back into gear.

Here's a problem though. People look at at this and think it means that wars are automagically good for the economy. But they're not. World War II was excellent for the U.S. economy because it had a lot of unused potential, whereas our own economy right now doesn't.

I bring this up only because some people like to say that FDR did absolutely jack squat--conveniently forgetting he was President during America's involvement during almost the entire war--and that it was only the war that helped. Some like to take it one step further and suggest that we need to get into another war to help our economy now.

Of course, actually doing that would likely be the proverbial straw that destroys our economy, but try telling them that.

It *might* be an interesting idea to make the President Emperor for Life.

But that's not like to accomplish anything of real value.

Giving the person in charge decent training and preparation will not accomplish anything of value ?

A big war now would totally solve all the world's economic malaise.

It *might* be an interesting idea to wait 4 years after the elections before swearing a president in. Then he or she has time to prepare and so on. It forces them to focus on long-term plans in debates. And it helps the current president know what the future will bring.

Interesting concept... except alot can happen in those interum four years.

how about the idea that the election is only for VP with a vote of confidence for the current President.

if the Current President gets an overwhelming vote of "No Confidence", then the Current VP takes over with whomever winning this election becoming the new VP. It keeps the chain of command, the VP can then 'learn' the job and gain experience. it promotes Bi-partisan cooperation (with a possiblitity of a President from one party and VP from another.) and forces a third party to step up. for if the President gets the "No Confidence" vote, the current VP is then promoted automatically with whomever getting the next highest vote becoming the VP.

If the President is first term and garners enough votes to keep him in office, then the winner of the elections becomes the New VP with the ousting of the current VP.

Edit:
On a note concerning the Al-qaida thing... that seems too... obvious for Al-quida. sounds more like an attempt at reverse psychology. They would know that our security teams are monitoring sites on the internet so it seems like a good way to try to influence the elections.

The point of it was to show forum addicts like you that you don't have to spam on every comment.

It was a genuine question, not spam, and what's wrong with being a forum addict?

It was a genuine question, not spam, and what's wrong with being a forum addict?

Your an adict you need serious help rehab for you quick. Us post fiends however could stop any time we wanted to.

Giving the person in charge decent training and preparation will not accomplish anything of value ?

The thing is, there's only so much preparation and such they can do. The job of the POTUS is not like any other job, really. It's different for each President, different because of the world situation, because of domestic issues, and so on and so forth.

So long as the President-elect has demonstrated he or she can at least manage things without going completely bonkers--which they've done through their campaign--I say throw them at it and let the chips fall where they may.

To be precise, he helped prepare the economy for transitioning from the Great Depression. World War II production is what kicked it back into gear.

that was a temporary fix. as soon as people stopped buying war bonds the debt would have brought production to a screeching halt.

Here's a problem though. People look at at this and think it means that wars are automagically good for the economy. But they're not. World War II was excellent for the U.S. economy because it had a lot of unused potential, whereas our own economy right now doesn't.

Wars are bad for the economy. the reason the appearance that WWII was good had to do with the restoration of world trade. World trade had been broken during WWI when the US acquired 80% of the gold reserves. and another 60% of its value in loans. No one knew how to trade without the gold standard. However the trade system sort of work so long as US markets were open they could use dollars as a international medium. however after the stock market crash (about 9 months) technically the US was not in a depression but a recession. only about 7.4% unemployment (10% is normally considered a depression) however 9 months after Smoot Hawley tariff act the country had 16% unemployment.


I bring this up only because some people like to say that FDR did absolutely jack squat--conveniently forgetting he was President during America's involvement during almost the entire war--and that it was only the war that helped. Some like to take it one step further and suggest that we need to get into another war to help our economy now.

He did help. though how he helped is debated. I find his reciprocal trade agreements to have been among the most beneficial. A lot of people feel the new deal helped the economy. it put people to work but when the bonds would have dried up you would be back at square one. the New deal was not intended to solve the depression, instead the goals were to prevent a communist/fascist revolution. nothing is more dangerous to a society then a bunch of out of work young people. Also banking reform and FDIC was important instermental in restoring the economy.