NationStates Jolt Archive

There is a vote taking place where the whole world can vote. It seemed to me like an interesting concept. What was even more interesting were the results. The rules were the same as the ones in USA to count the votes: Each state have a certain number of delegates depending on their population. This concept was extended to countries.

The result:

Obama: 80%

McCain: 20%

These results are just approximation and change everyday. But atm thats how it stands. Your thoughts...

I like it. Especially since we're going to end up electing Obama, it means we'll have overall world support. Yay Americans get along with the rest of the world again!

Is this what you're talking about?

http://www.economist.com/vote2008/?source=hpevents&source=hpevents

Is this what you're talking about?

http://www.economist.com/vote2008/?source=hpevents&source=hpevents

Lulz. Only Macedonia, Georgia, and Moldova leaning McCain? :D

EDITFU: Oh, wait, so's Cuba, for some odd reason. Still, 8,906 to 38...not exactly a contest here...

Is this what you're talking about?

http://www.economist.com/vote2008/?source=hpevents&source=hpevents

If that's it then Russia is the most important one. We CANNOT turn back the clock with Russia. Russia has Obama at 86% and McCain talked a lot tougher about Russia than Obama in the townhall debate. McCain dosn't like Russia. Russia dosn't like McCain. They should be kept apart from one another.

Obviously people are going to pick the candidate that's best for them, and the candidate that will make it easy for the rest of the world is Obama. Africans know that he's gonna drop a dumptruck of aid on their doorstop, South America knows that he's going to support Chavez and Morales, and China and Russia know that he'll be a complete doormat. Note how Russia is voting for Obama because he gave them a blank cheque to run riot in Georgia, while Georgia is voting for McCain because he actually stood up and condemned Russia.

And it was obvious that the entirety of Africa and the Middle East were going to vote for Obama.

i cant trust a poll that predicts Obama will win 80% of the vote in the US. yeah Obama is going to win. but by 55%. 57% tops.

i cant trust a poll that predicts Obama will win 80% of the vote in the US. yeah Obama is going to win. but by 55%. 57% tops.

I don't think it is meant as a numbers prediction. They are just conducting a world poll and asking who would you vote for.

Has anyone here -that is outside the US- participated in this or know anyone who has?

I don't think it is meant as a numbers prediction. They are just conducting a world poll and asking who would you vote for.

Has anyone here -that is outside the US- participated in this or know anyone who has?

mouse over the country and you get an individual % for that country. 80 % to 20% is not the likely victory margin of Obama.

Now i know why their methodology is anyone who comes to the website and votes.

Plus, Internet users are always liberals.

Plus, Internet users are always liberals.

that and subscribers to the economist.

mouse over the country and you get an individual % for that country. 80 % to 20% is not the likely victory margin of Obama.

Quite correct. But I don't see anything, anywhere on that link that suggests the world vote % will be the same or even remotly close to the actual election %.

Quite correct. But I don't see anything, anywhere on that link that suggests the world vote % will be the same or even remotly close to the actual election %.

it might just be me but normally the word poll is actually trying to measure the opinions of the population.

Hm, it's interesting that South America favours Obama by a much smaller margin, about 70/30. Also interesting that Israel favours Obama in this poll.

Hm, it's interesting that South America favours Obama by a much smaller margin, about 70/30. Also interesting that Israel favours Obama in this poll.

88% for Obama in Israel does seem a bit strange. Or does it not? Maybe the Israelis have noticed that McCain is more hawkish than Obama and all they care about is avoiding a shitstorm with Iran and the rest of the Middle East.

Plus, Internet users are always liberals.

I'm a liberal?! Why didn't anyone tell me?! All this time I thought I was a Libertarian!

*runs away sobbing*

I'm a liberal?! Why didn't anyone tell me?! All this time I thought I was a Libertarian!

*runs away sobbing*

As far as I'm concerned, there's only one non-liberal on this entire forum.

As far as I'm concerned, there's only one non-liberal on this entire forum.

I smell solipsism.

As far as I'm concerned, there's only one non-liberal on this entire forum.

So I'm guessing the fact that I blast both Conservatives and Liberals mean nothing?

I really AM a Libertarian BTW, Hell I even have the membership card.

Yes I realized how dorky that sounded.

Has anyone here -that is outside the US- participated in this or know anyone who has?
Yes, I have, a couple of my workmates have, and so have my kids (all but one is old enough to vote in RL). It's been forwarded in a lot of emails.

The Australian numbers in the Economist's poll seem to me to be much like other Australian polls I've seen on the US election (I've only seen two others).

I haven't seen any that ask why the respondents are voting that way, so I can't tell you whether it's anything to do with policies, or simply the fact that Obama isn't Bush.

There is a vote taking place where the whole world can vote. It seemed to me like an interesting concept. What was even more interesting were the results. The rules were the same as the ones in USA to count the votes: Each state have a certain number of delegates depending on their population. This concept was extended to countries.

The result:

Obama: 80%

McCain: 20%

These results are just approximation and change everyday. But atm thats how it stands. Your thoughts...

The rest of the world is better off keep it to themselves. Not because some of us don't care what you think, but because some Americans get very defensive about world opinion. It makes their ultra-patriotic rectums clench shut. *nod*

that and subscribers to the economist.

Hey, I subscribe to The Economist and I'm not a liberal at least in the American sense of the word.

However, being a subscriber I have not voted in this poll and probably never will.

Finland has for Obama 91% and for Mccain only 9%. Personally, I'd vote for Obama if I had to.

The rest of the world is better off keep it to themselves. Not because some of us don't care what you think, but because some Americans get very defensive about world opinion. It makes their ultra-patriotic rectums clench shut. *nod*

I'm sure there are some people who would vote McCain, just to spite the rest of the world.

I'm sure there are some people who would vote McCain, just to spite the rest of the world.

A depressingly considerable amount of them.

The rest of the world is better off keep it to themselves. Not because some of us don't care what you think, but because some Americans get very defensive about world opinion. It makes their ultra-patriotic rectums clench shut. *nod*

So what if the world told Americans to be selfish, self centered, war mongering, dictator worshiping torture lovers?

Plus, Internet users are always liberals.

Did Rust here just call himself a liberal?

As far as I'm concerned, there's only one non-liberal on this entire forum.

Maybe, but Eut hasn't shown his face in ages.

So what if the world told Americans to be selfish, self centered, war mongering, dictator worshiping torture lovers?

'Life of Brian' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krb2OdQksMc)
Look at 3:45 for an answer...

As far as I'm concerned, there's only one non-liberal on this entire forum.

And it's not you, since you love the Liberals.

'Life of Brian' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krb2OdQksMc)
Look at 3:45 for an answer...

Yep, that's about it. :)

Plus, Internet users are always liberals.

I'm a liberal? I thought I was a New Democrat... *holds up her orange card* Look, it says I'm a New Democrat...

that and subscribers to the economist.

*echos of...* BORING! *are heard*

I'm a liberal? I thought I was a New Democrat... *holds up her orange card* Look, it says I'm a New Democrat...



*echos of...* BORING! *are heard*

hey now . . .reading that is how I get to sleep. . .at night. . . or in the middle of the day . . . . or pretty much whenever. It also provides a good fire starter though the ink tends to burn oddly . . . .

It's an interesting bit of information, I guess, in a completely irrelevant, isn't worth a fart in a windstorm kind of way.

i cant trust a poll that predicts Obama will win 80% of the vote in the US. yeah Obama is going to win. but by 55%. 57% tops.


That is a large margin in the US considering most presidents dont generally get above 50%

All the more reason for me to vote mccain. Russia and the middle east ain't getting there way, and i will hate them to the day i die.

Also anyone that is voting obama just because they feel it is a sure thing that he is becoming president needs to grow up, grow some balls, and not just vote to say that your vote counted and you elected the current president. The media wants obama, and democrats are more likely to take those web polls. But every time we get told a democrat is a sure fired thing, it turns around and us republicans win.

Also it's not that i don't want another bush, its that i don't want another clinton. Read about what he did, and how it resulted in the mess that we have now... Can this country really handle another democrat....

All the more reason for me to vote mccain. Russia and the middle east ain't getting there way, and i will hate them to the day i die.
Actually Obama wouldnt exactly be all honker dory for the middle east have you heard his comments about Pakistan? As for hating them till the day you die that is pretty ignorant, and malicous of you. An idea that will breed only mutual contempt and hatred as well as further unnecesary conflict. Ideas such as those are what makes Al-Queda larger, and our war on terror more difficult. By all means hate the radical terrorists extremists groups they deserve it I hate them too. But to dismiss entire nations, an entire religon, and an entire region of the world is ignorant.

Also anyone that is voting obama just because they feel it is a sure thing that he is becoming president needs to grow up, grow some balls, and not just vote to say that your vote counted and you elected the current president. The media wants obama, and democrats are more likely to take those web polls. But every time we get told a democrat is a sure fired thing, it turns around and us republicans win.

Not this Time buddy not a chance in hell and thank god for that. I don't need to grow balls I voted for Obama maybe you should grow some balls and vote for the Canidate that knows what the hell he is doing. As for the Media wanting Obama that is such typical right wing nonsense

Also it's not that i don't want another bush, its that i don't want another clinton. Read about what he did, and how it resulted in the mess that we have now... Can this country really handle another democrat....

What a load, Clinton was a moderate. I know all about what Clinton did perhaps you should study what Reagan and Bush did to put us into this mess before you do your little right wing propaganda on clinton which is complete BS. Reagan put sadaam in power. Reagan put Osama in power. Bush invaded Iraq and neglected Afganihstan, and as a result Osama gets away. Bush Invades Iraq Al-Queda grows larger, and our economy tanks because we cant afford two wars at once. Maybe you forgot but 9/11 was an economic attack on the US, and whats happening now. You put another republican in office Osama will be laughing to his grave.

Switzerland is 90/10 split. Obama winning.
WTF happened to neutrality!? :eek:

Switzerland is 90/10 split. Obama winning.
WTF happened to neutrality!? :eek:

Dick Chany took it out hunting one day...

That is the vote that I was talking about in the economist. Just windering who would people vote for if they were in the United States of America.

I like how the ad for me is: Find a conservative like You!, with some old geezer who looks like mccain on the left.

*edit, clicked it, and thats probably is mccain, which is odd since i didn't think mccain knew how to use the internets

Dick Chany took it out hunting one day...

And shot It in the FACE?

All the more reason for me to vote mccain. Russia and the middle east ain't getting there way, and i will hate them to the day i die.

Also anyone that is voting obama just because they feel it is a sure thing that he is becoming president needs to grow up, grow some balls, and not just vote to say that your vote counted and you elected the current president. The media wants obama, and democrats are more likely to take those web polls. But every time we get told a democrat is a sure fired thing, it turns around and us republicans win.

Also it's not that i don't want another bush, its that i don't want another clinton. Read about what he did, and how it resulted in the mess that we have now... Can this country really handle another democrat....

Hehe. You're funny.

I voted in that before it was cool.

Anyways, I'm pro-Obama because I prefer his foreign policy. And that's basically the most important point to a foreigner like myself. I seriously disagree with his stance on trade and his support for union movements (which I think should be seperated from politics as much as churches are), and I tolerate his talk on the economy because I count on it being his advisors, not himself who will make policy (his views are too left-populist for my liking).

But all that beats McCain. You can't trust folksy types, they have no principles. And his foreign policy is just plain stupid - experience might be nice and all, but if all of it was through the sight of a gun or the equivalent in a committee for dealing with "the Reds" or whatever replacement they could come up with, then that's not helping. I'd much rather have someone who will open dialogue, because not talking just ain't working.

As for the poll, I'm amazed that McCain is only leading by such a small margin in Georgia. I assume that is because there is a selection bias in the sample here - the only people who vote in this poll are educated, internationalist and more often than not socially liberal progressive types.

It's an interesting bit of information, I guess, in a completely irrelevant, isn't worth a fart in a windstorm kind of way.
It does tell you something about what foreign relations might be like for the next president. It's safe to say that the majority of the world's population doesn't want McCain in office. If I had to speculate, for many of them that would be because of his association with Bush (justified or not).

So the world's democracies will be under pressure from Day One in how they deal with a McCain administration. If this is particularly obvious in Europe, we're going to see the effects immediately in the redesign of the international structure of financial capitalism that is supposed to be on the cards by the end of next year.

So this poll may not tell you the outcome of the election, but you can use it to inform some speculation on what might follow it.