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Since I live in Colorado, a so-called "battleground state," I've been seeing a lot unpleasantness in this campaign. Just today, I got a call from a live person (since I'm a registered Republican) to tout McCain and tell me about Obama's "terrorist connection." I hung up on him.

The call in the article is a robo-call with, apparently, much the same message. He's hurting good, productive candidates from his own party with these tactics. I feel that the Federal Government has always run best when the President has had to deal with a legislature that was his opposite, i.e. - conservative President, liberal legislature and vice versa. With these tactics he's virtually guaranteeing a liberal President and a liberal legislature.

Thoughts?

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/mccains-calls-draw-bipartisan-criticism/215409?icid=200100397x1211274335x1200706834

From now on, try answering the phone like this:

Hello, you've reached the Satanic Soul Donation Hotline. Satan would like to thank you for donating your soul. How may I torment you today?

They always hang up.

This sort of anecdote makes me glad I live in a state that is so solidly blue that even the Senate races are uncontested. I only have to deal with cold calls from local politicians.

From now on, try answering the phone like this:



They always hang up.

Hmmm. I'd have to do that to everyone. It might put my kids off a bit, but it's worth a try.

Since I live in Colorado, a so-called "battleground state," I've been seeing a lot unpleasantness in this campaign. Just today, I got a call from a live person (since I'm a registered Republican) to tout McCain and tell me about Obama's "terrorist connection." I hung up on him.

The call in the article is a robo-call with, apparently, much the same message. He's hurting good, productive candidates from his own party with these tactics. I feel that the Federal Government has always run best when the President has had to deal with a legislature that was his opposite, i.e. - conservative President, liberal legislature and vice versa. With these tactics he's virtually guaranteeing a liberal President and a liberal legislature.

Thoughts?

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/mccains-calls-draw-bipartisan-criticism/215409?icid=200100397x1211274335x1200706834

I agree, the more our government is in gridlock, the happier everyone is.

Mainly because when Gov. Co. is in a gridlock, they don't fuck with the citizens.

Also, I haven't gotten any calls from anyone. Yay for having a cell phone on the "Do Not Call" list. :D

Thoughts?None. :)

None. :)

Hmm.... *begins to fill Gauntleted Fist's head with perverted thoughts*

I'm in NY so I'm not getting any weird calls, but I see campaign ad commercials. In New York. It's pointless. We're going blue no matter what.

I'm in NY so I'm not getting any weird calls, but I see campaign ad commercials. In New York. It's pointless. We're going blue no matter what.

We just want to let you guys in on the fun.

You know, for a battle ground state (North Carolina), I"m not seeing much in the way of phone calls, e-mails or ads of the political nature...

Hmm.... *begins to fill Gauntleted Fist's head with perverted thoughts*No, stop that!
Dude, that's kinky. :)

I'm in NY so I'm not getting any weird calls, but I see campaign ad commercials. In New York. It's pointless. We're going blue no matter what.
Sometimes, its nice not to matter.

No, stop that!
Dude, that's kinky. :)

Wilgrove, perversing one person at a time! AWAY! *whoosh*

Since I live in Colorado, a so-called "battleground state," I've been seeing a lot unpleasantness in this campaign. Just today, I got a call from a live person (since I'm a registered Republican) to tout McCain and tell me about Obama's "terrorist connection." I hung up on him.

The call in the article is a robo-call with, apparently, much the same message. He's hurting good, productive candidates from his own party with these tactics. I feel that the Federal Government has always run best when the President has had to deal with a legislature that was his opposite, i.e. - conservative President, liberal legislature and vice versa. With these tactics he's virtually guaranteeing a liberal President and a liberal legislature.

Thoughts?

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/mccains-calls-draw-bipartisan-criticism/215409?icid=200100397x1211274335x1200706834

McCain has no soul. Instead he has a sucking vortex of ambition, fear, and hatred. We can only hope it will devour his party this election.

From now on, try answering the phone like this:



They always hang up.
I'm sigging that! :fluffle:

Wilgrove, perversing one person at a time! AWAY! *whoosh*I'll get you for this!
No, WAIT, NOT LIKE THAT! :eek:
You make me sad. :(

Since I live in Colorado, a so-called "battleground state," I've been seeing a lot unpleasantness in this campaign. Just today, I got a call from a live person (since I'm a registered Republican) to tout McCain and tell me about Obama's "terrorist connection." I hung up on him.

The call in the article is a robo-call with, apparently, much the same message. He's hurting good, productive candidates from his own party with these tactics. I feel that the Federal Government has always run best when the President has had to deal with a legislature that was his opposite, i.e. - conservative President, liberal legislature and vice versa. With these tactics he's virtually guaranteeing a liberal President and a liberal legislature.

Thoughts?

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/mccains-calls-draw-bipartisan-criticism/215409?icid=200100397x1211274335x1200706834
We got a call using the same tactic, and I cheerfully hung up on them as well.

Also, around our neighborhood, as far as we can tell, anyone who puts up an Obama sign gets it stolen, while the guy right across the road from us has four McCain signs in his somewhat small yard. (Small to us, I mean, not to a city-goer.) Three small-type yard signs, and a sign on the archery target they've got in the yard. (The back of the target, sadly. Also, a Bob Schaffer sign and a "Noboma 08" sign is on the target. For whatever reason, they also have a Bob Schaffer large-type yard sign.)

These people make me sad. :(

We've got our own Obama signs we plan on putting up, and taking pictures of too, to show to the police in case they get stolen. (I'm going to finangle my parents into putting them outside in view of my window, so I'll be able to see anyone taking them.)

We've got our own Obama signs we plan on putting up, and taking pictures of too, to show to the police in case they get stolen.

Really.....really? You're going to actually waste the police time, because someone stole a cardboard sign that's supported by chicken wire? How much do these signs cost, I doubt very much, maybe $5?

Comon man....the police have better things to do then to track down your Obama sign.....

I agree, the more our government is in gridlock, the happier everyone is.

Mainly because when Gov. Co. is in a gridlock, they don't fuck with the citizens.

Also, I haven't gotten any calls from anyone. Yay for having a cell phone on the "Do Not Call" list. :D

You know, now that I think about it, the concept of a Libertarian referring to government as "Gov. Co." as though it were a company is extreme ironic hilarity.

Really.....really? You're going to actually waste the police time, because someone stole a cardboard sign that's supported by chicken wire? How much do these signs cost, I doubt very much, maybe $5?

Comon man....the police have better things to do then to track down your Obama sign.....

The point to reporting it to the police is more because everyone ELSE has ALSO had Obama signs stolen, not just because of ours.

And we live in bloody Park County. Nothing ever happens here, dude, apart from the one horrible event a couple years ago. The most the cops have to deal with is the occasional speeder.

Really.....really? You're going to actually waste the police time, because someone stole a cardboard sign that's supported by chicken wire? How much do these signs cost, I doubt very much, maybe $5?

Comon man....the police have better things to do then to track down your Obama sign.....It's not the value of the sign.. removing or defacing a campaign sign is a form of voter intimidation that is a serious offense.
while taking pictures of the signs makes little sense (how can they tell your sign from countless others), pictures or other evidence of someone tampering with them is another story..

As a recent addition to the Obama campaign, I just want to note that the script they gave me for calling people is quite polite and doesn't involve any stupid lies. :)

The point to reporting it to the police is more because everyone ELSE has ALSO had Obama signs stolen, not just because of ours.

And we live in bloody Park County. Nothing ever happens here, dude, apart from the one horrible event a couple years ago. The most the cops have to deal with is the occasional speeder.

Just buy a new sign...jeez. How much do they cost, I'll send you the money through Paypal.

It's not the value of the sign.. removing or defacing a campaign sign is a form of voter intimidation that is a serious offense.
while taking pictures of the signs makes little sense (how can they tell your sign from countless others), pictures or other evidence of someone tampering with them is another story..

It's just a stupid cardboard sign! It's not like they're burning crosses in your yard, or telling you that you need to pass a reading test before you can vote....

God...the priorities of some people....

It's just a stupid cardboard sign! It's not like they're burning crosses in your yard, or telling you that you need to pass a reading test before you can vote....

God...the priorities of some people....

Stealing a campaign sign is a misdemeanor larceny.

It's just a stupid cardboard sign! It's not like they're burning crosses in your yard, or telling you that you need to pass a reading test before you can vote....

God...the priorities of some people....Yeah, the priorities. People go to the trouble of seeking out and removing the campaign signs of those they don't agree with. Don't they have anything better to do than interfere with fellow citizens right to free speech?

Seriously, where do you draw the line? Certain intimidating, illegal behavior is OK, just because the dollar value on it is insignificant? Hell, a cross and half a gallon of gas doesn't cost that much....

Yeah, the priorities. People go to the trouble of seeking out and removing the campaign signs of those they don't agree with. Don't they have anything better to do than interfere with fellow citizens right to free speech?

Seriously, where do you draw the line? Certain intimidating, illegal behavior is OK, just because the dollar value on it is insignificant? Hell, a cross and half a gallon of gas doesn't cost that much....

A gallon of gasoline, some rope, and their dog is cheaper.

Just buy a new sign...jeez. How much do they cost, I'll send you the money through Paypal.



It's just a stupid cardboard sign! It's not like they're burning crosses in your yard, or telling you that you need to pass a reading test before you can vote....

God...the priorities of some people....

I'm not sure how much they cost...if my parents got it from that Zuni Signs place in Evergreen, they were ten bucks a piece.

But again, not the point. (Thanks for the offer though. :) )

The point is that we're experiencing voter intimidation here in my neighborhood. Obama signs removed, McCain/Palin signs all over the place...it's getting nuts, it's not acceptable, and something ought to be done. The only reason we haven't already spoken with the police is that we'd rather have something done to us before we try that. (Of course, we'd rather the signs stay put and not get stolen at all, but if they do get stolen, those who stole it are not going to get away with it.)

And keep in mind these are my parents going after this. These are the same two people who organized the entire community up here into getting the RTD company to keep the bus lines going all the way to Pine. They're not easily intimidated.

Hold on a second, Obama has terrorist connections???????

Hold on a second, Obama has terrorist connections???????

Do you know how to read between the lines?

We've got our own Obama signs we plan on putting up, and taking pictures of too, to show to the police in case they get stolen. (I'm going to finangle my parents into putting them outside in view of my window, so I'll be able to see anyone taking them.)

Much easier to wrap them in a conductive material, a wire connection to the electrical mains, and a trip switch.

Although there's the problem with lethal traps and the law.

Just buy a new sign...jeez. How much do they cost, I'll send you the money through Paypal.



It's just a stupid cardboard sign! It's not like they're burning crosses in your yard, or telling you that you need to pass a reading test before you can vote....

God...the priorities of some people....

Again, it's a form of voter intimidation, and a serious breach of freedom of speech. According to freedom of speech, you should have the right to hang any kind of sign you want in your lot, so long as it doesn't contain offensive language or graphics, it should be fine. The fact that people are stealing YOUR signs means that they are not letting you exercise your own RIGHT to freedom of speech. It'd be the same if someone were stealing your bumper stickers.

Now, if everyones signs were being stolen, McBush/Palin AND Obama/Biden signs, then it would just be pety vandalism, and probably wouldn't matter. But the fact that it's only Obama/Biden signs being stolen means it is an attempt to stifle freedom of speech. If the Obama campaign is smart, they could pander some sympathy from this.

Hold on a second, Obama has terrorist connections???????

Do you know how to read between the lines?

His middle name is Hussein, his last name sounds like Osama, and his father was a Muslim. How can you not see the terrorist connections?

My state's GOP senator (well, one of the two), who's up for re-election this year has asked McCain to discontinue the robo-calls up here. He blew her off.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/31162309.html

I don't like Susan Collins, and I didn't vote for her (I voted early, and I still haven't forgiven her for voting for the Millitary Commissions Act), but this is the one thing she's done for which I have anything remotely resembling respct for her.

Much easier to wrap them in a conductive material, a wire connection to the electrical mains, and a trip switch.

Although there's the problem with lethal traps and the law.

That'd be hilarious if we only included a voltage level high enough to be like a...a...a whateverthehellthatthingis...joybuzzer, that's it.

That'd be hilarious if we only included a voltage level high enough to be like a...a...a whateverthehellthatthingis...joybuzzer, that's it.

I'm figuring it's damned cold up there now. Rig a trap that just soaks them with water (then maybe the joybuzzer).

That'd be hilarious if we only included a voltage level high enough to be like a...a...a whateverthehellthatthingis...joybuzzer, that's it.

Well, you'd have to talk to an electrician, but that's quite possible.

I'm figuring it's damned cold up there now. Rig a trap that just soaks them with water (then maybe the joybuzzer).
Actually, no, not really. It's been getting kind of low at night, but for the past couple of days we've had 70-80 degree weather. :)

(According to the weather channel that's supposed to change come Monday, but the weather channel website has been misleading me down many roads in the past lately...)

Well, you'd have to talk to an electrician, but that's quite possible.

Indeed.

My parents won't go for it, however. :(

I'm not sure how much they cost...if my parents got it from that Zuni Signs place in Evergreen, they were ten bucks a piece.

But again, not the point. (Thanks for the offer though. :) )

The point is that we're experiencing voter intimidation here in my neighborhood. Obama signs removed, McCain/Palin signs all over the place...it's getting nuts, it's not acceptable, and something ought to be done. The only reason we haven't already spoken with the police is that we'd rather have something done to us before we try that. (Of course, we'd rather the signs stay put and not get stolen at all, but if they do get stolen, those who stole it are not going to get away with it.)

And keep in mind these are my parents going after this. These are the same two people who organized the entire community up here into getting the RTD company to keep the bus lines going all the way to Pine. They're not easily intimidated.

Just take Wilgrove up on his offer and buy several thousand Obama signs and put them on other people's yards along with their McCain signs...
:D

Per the signs being stolen thing - has anyone thought of chaining up a big mean dog to their sign, so that any kids who try and come near it get torn to shreds? It's perfectly legal so long as the dog is on a chain (the law recognises that anything a dog does while chained up to a chain of adequate length is not the fault of the owner).

Indeed.

My parents won't go for it, however. :(

Buy paintball landmines. The ones that use 20oz CO2 canisters and release the gas in one go in a loud bang. You can get those relatively cheap, and they're reusable. The ones that use both gas and paint are a bit more expensive, but better. Bury them around your Obama sign. Put up a small red sign that reads "Warning: Mines" with the skull and crossbones. Then install a web camera somewhere discreet.

Since I live in Colorado, a so-called "battleground state," I've been seeing a lot unpleasantness in this campaign. Just today, I got a call from a live person (since I'm a registered Republican) to tout McCain and tell me about Obama's "terrorist connection." I hung up on him.

The call in the article is a robo-call with, apparently, much the same message. He's hurting good, productive candidates from his own party with these tactics. I feel that the Federal Government has always run best when the President has had to deal with a legislature that was his opposite, i.e. - conservative President, liberal legislature and vice versa. With these tactics he's virtually guaranteeing a liberal President and a liberal legislature.

Thoughts?

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/mccains-calls-draw-bipartisan-criticism/215409?icid=200100397x1211274335x1200706834

if I got a call like that, I would turn around, call my local Republican (or Democrat... they've done similar things a loong time ago.) headquarters and tell inform them of what just happened. this serves two purposes.
1) it tells them you (as a party member) are not happy with such tactics
2) informs them of such tactics and they can put a stop to them if it's not from them.

McCain has no soul. Instead he has a sucking vortex of ambition, fear, and hatred. We can only hope it will devour his party this election.

That's a bit backwards actually.

The GOP has already been devoured. The Christofascist Dominionist types began dining on it in the 80's and consumed it part and parcel in the 90's.
John "agents of intolerance" McCain was a late sell out.

What we're seeing of the GOP now is (hopefully) the final scene of act 5 - the aftermath and fallout of the fall.

Just take Wilgrove up on his offer and buy several thousand Obama signs and put them on other people's yards along with their McCain signs...
:D
:D
Per the signs being stolen thing - has anyone thought of chaining up a big mean dog to their sign, so that any kids who try and come near it get torn to shreds? It's perfectly legal so long as the dog is on a chain (the law recognises that anything a dog does while chained up to a chain of adequate length is not the fault of the owner).
We have no mean dogs. The only dog we could chain up is more likely to sit on your foot and make you pet him than do anything bad. (Golden Retriever.)

Buy paintball landmines. The ones that use 20oz CO2 canisters and release the gas in one go in a loud bang. You can get those relatively cheap, and they're reusable. The ones that use both gas and paint are a bit more expensive, but better. Bury them around your Obama sign. Put up a small red sign that reads "Warning: Mines" with the skull and crossbones. Then install a web camera somewhere discreet.
Now, see, this I would do, but I'm lazy.

His middle name is Hussein, his last name sounds like Osama, and his father was a Muslim. How can you not see the terrorist connections?And of all the running mates he could have chosen, he deliberately chose the one whose name sounds most like "Bin Laden"!

And of all the running mates he could have chosen, he deliberately chose the one whose name sounds most like "Bin Laden"!

Osama/Bin Laden 2008: We rz n yr White House, caliph8ing u.

Now, see, this I would do, but I'm lazy.

Think of it this way. You'd be able to post the videos on youtube, forever humiliate the would be thieves, and get the satisfaction of scarring them mentally. It's worth an hour or two of effort.

Or if you've got more money on hand, you can get one of these.

http://www.paintballsentry.com/

His middle name is Hussein, his last name sounds like Osama, and his father was a Muslim. How can you not see the terrorist connections?


I dont know its hard for me to see imaginationland.

Osama/Bin Laden 2008: We rz n yr White House, caliph8ing u.I'm sigging that. :D

if I got a call like that, I would turn around, call my local Republican (or Democrat... they've done similar things a loong time ago.) headquarters and tell inform them of what just happened. this serves two purposes.
1) it tells them you (as a party member) are not happy with such tactics
2) informs them of such tactics and they can put a stop to them if it's not from them.

What on earth makes you think the Republican party is unaware of these tactics?

The "palling around with terrorists" comment came straight from Palin and was defended in the third debate by McCain.

That's a bit backwards actually.

The GOP has already been devoured. The Christofascist Dominionist types began dining on it in the 80's and consumed it part and parcel in the 90's.
John "agents of intolerance" McCain was a late sell out.

What we're seeing of the GOP now is (hopefully) the final scene of act 5 - the aftermath and fallout of the fall.

Nah. McCain is not a recent sell-out. One of the few things he tells the truth about is that he was "a foot-soldier in the Reagan Revolution." He's been there on the front lines fighting for the wrong side all along.

Buy paintball landmines. The ones that use 20oz CO2 canisters and release the gas in one go in a loud bang. You can get those relatively cheap, and they're reusable. The ones that use both gas and paint are a bit more expensive, but better. Bury them around your Obama sign. Put up a small red sign that reads "Warning: Mines" with the skull and crossbones. Then install a web camera somewhere discreet.

Hehe...nice.