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A rather dark thought flittered through my brain. Usually I let the really dark ones keep going because they are usually more gruesome than fun. But I decided to hold onto it and see if I could make something amusing out of it.

The thought was this:

As we all know, necrophilia is typically illegal and a taboo of the highest order. Most people understand why. Most people would rather not even think about it, nevermind talk about it. I certainly have no problem with that. But what I wonder is this: Suppose you were okay with it. What I mean is, what if you had no objection to someone using your corpse after your eventual demise for their personal entertainment. Would it still be illegal?

Consensual Necrophilia. Discuss. :D

First! :D

Honestly, I don't know, but it'd probably still be illegal.

First!

Honestly, I don't know, but it'd probably still be illegal.

*starts making a list*

yes it would still be illegal.

its not a matter of consent but of the misuse of a corpse.

I wouldn't want my body to be used for sex after I died. Now an elaborate but hilarious prank...

To be honest, I don't see why it should be illegal in that situation (in fact, I struggle to think precisely why it should be illegal generally, as I can't work out precisely where the harm caused is). But I think in law it probably would be, because as far as I know there's no "unless consensual" bit in the law.

EDIT: I suppose emotional harm to the family could be a good reason

Yeah, I don't think German law cares much about the desires and needs of the dead, so it would still be illegal.

interesting thought.

there is a display called Bodies in Motion (or somesuch.) where they have actual cadavers, some stripped down to muscles, others to the bone, and all poised in various activities.

if they had one showing sex... would that be considered Necrophilia?

then there is how Consent is given. by way of Will? "My posessions will be divided by any who f*&ks my cold body"? others will use that to show that you were not 'of sound mind'.

it will probably still be illegal.

Yeah, I don't think German law cares much about the desires and needs of the dead, so it would still be illegal.

So the German government discriminates against zombies does it?! For shame.

Still illegal. U.S. doesn't care. Besides, considering my body would be busy being tossed out of an airplane while over the White House, it would also be a little hard to do.

I want to be the only person in American history to be convicted for acts of terrorism done post-mortem.

Rationally speaking, I know I should be fine with it then. I'm not using the body any more, so I don't see why someone else shouldn't be allowed to take pleasure from it, with my consent. Emotionally speaking, I'm not sure. It might be some degree of latent asexuality or homophobia* speaking, but I don't think I'm comfortable with it on that level, and wouldn't really want it to happen to me.

Now, on a strict reading of your question, you've assumed I have "no problem with it". Thusly it should not be illegal, I feel. Even though I do have some degree of emotional problem with it, I think it should still be permitted (it being necrophilia in general). Someone should be able to grant their corpse for such use, to whomever the please.

Much more interestingly, I feel: Presuming necrophilia is legal if a note is made in the will, would you put such a note in your will? Would you allow other people to take sexual pleasure from your corpse after your death? That's a question I'm just not sure about answering. There's a conflict between my emotional and logical responses to it that I would have to meditate on somewhat. But to make a first pass at it: Yes, but only very specific people**, and with full discussion about it beforehand.

Finally, that's a really good question you've asked. It should have the bonus of making everyone actively think quite a bit about their feelings and position, especially those of us who are generally socially liberal.

*For some reason I automatically assume it would be a guy. I can see a logical reason that it would be tricky for women, but still... I'll need to think about this as well.

**That raises another interesting question: presuming necrophilia is legal, but only with the pre-granted consent of the deceased, what happens to someone who has sex with a corpse that indicated they did not wish this to happen? Basically, what happens if one has sex with an unwilling corpse? Should one be prosecuted for rape?

Rationally speaking, I know I should be fine with it then. I'm not using the body any more, so I don't see why someone else shouldn't be allowed to take pleasure from it, with my consent. Emotionally speaking, I'm not sure. It might be some degree of latent asexuality or homophobia* speaking, but I don't think I'm comfortable with it on that level, and wouldn't really want it to happen to me.

Now, on a strict reading of your question, you've assumed I have "no problem with it". Thusly it should not be illegal, I feel. Even though I do have some degree of emotional problem with it, I think it should still be permitted (it being necrophilia in general). Someone should be able to grant their corpse for such use, to whomever the please.

Much more interestingly, I feel: Presuming necrophilia is legal if a note is made in the will, would you put such a note in your will? Would you allow other people to take sexual pleasure from your corpse after your death? That's a question I'm just not sure about answering. There's a conflict between my emotional and logical responses to it that I would have to meditate on somewhat. But to make a first pass at it: Yes, but only very specific people**, and with full discussion about it beforehand.

Finally, that's a really good question you've asked. It should have the bonus of making everyone actively think quite a bit about their feelings and position, especially those of us who are generally socially liberal.

*For some reason I automatically assume it would be a guy. I can see a logical reason that it would be tricky for women, but still... I'll need to think about this as well.

**That raises another interesting question: presuming necrophilia is legal, but only with the pre-granted consent of the deceased, what happens to someone who has sex with a corpse that indicated they did not wish this to happen? Basically, what happens if one has sex with an unwilling corpse? Should one be prosecuted for rape?

An excellent question.

Also, if consensual necrophilia is still illegal, should it be a less stringent punishment than non-consensual necrophilia?

I dont want my body to be used for sex since Im not alive to enjoy it.

I dont want my body to be used for sex since Im not alive to enjoy it.

Self-absorbed jerk! :mad:



;)

I dont want my body to be used for sex since Im not alive to enjoy it.

well... for some, it might be the ONLY way they'll get lucky... :tongue:

Anything consensual I don't consider it my business to get in the middle of. The only problem I have with this hypothetical is the concern of bacteria and virii that would not naturally be found in a living human body.

then there is how Consent is given. by way of Will? "My posessions will be divided by any who f*&ks my cold body"?
This clause is now going to be included in every part of my will.
"To my brother, [REDACTED], I give and bequeath all my furniture and DVD collection, to be and remain his with full power, right and authority to dispose of the same as to him shall seem most meet and proper; upon the express condition, however, that he should suck my cold, dead balls. You heard that right, jack-ass."

Hmm, this is kinda icky.

Question.. Hypothetically speaking, do you get to choose which gender performs the necrophilia? What I mean is, as a male, I don't know if I would be too keen on another male using my dead body as a means to his ends.. Just 'cause that's not the team I batted for while alive.

If a female could get some sort of satisfaction from my dead body, well, it'd be strange, but it would probably make a bit more 'sense'.. Or something.

An excellent question.

Also, if consensual necrophilia is still illegal, should it be a less stringent punishment than non-consensual necrophilia?

Ooh, also interesting. I would say yes --- the wishes of the deceased are normally taken into account when dealing with events that pop up after their death, so why not this time?

At risk of hijack, should that apply to consensual cannibalism?

I dont want my body to be used for sex since Im not alive to enjoy it.

Why do you want to deny other people pleasure, when it doesn't affect you either way?

This clause is now going to be included in every part of my will.
"To my brother, [REDACTED], I give and bequeath all my furniture and DVD collection, to be and remain his with full power, right and authority to dispose of the same as to him shall seem most meet and proper; upon the express condition, however, that he should suck my cold, dead balls. You heard that right, jack-ass."

Ah, siblings! :D

Anything consensual I don't consider it my business to get in the middle of. The only problem I have with this hypothetical is the concern of bacteria and virii that would not naturally be found in a living human body.

Roughly my position. The follow on question, then:

Presuming necrophilia is to be legal, would you allow your corpse to be used for it?

If so, would there be any restrictions on who can use it?

no, I wouldn't. I like to be around for sex ;0)

no, I wouldn't. I like to be around for sex ;0)

but you will be physically there during the sex. :p ;)

See, I'm spiritual enough to not consider my "self" to be my body :P

As we all know, necrophilia is typically illegal and a taboo of the highest order. Most people understand why. Most people would rather not even think about it, nevermind talk about it. I certainly have no problem with that. But what I wonder is this: Suppose you were okay with it. What I mean is, what if you had no objection to someone using your corpse after your eventual demise for their personal entertainment. Would it still be illegal?

Consensual Necrophilia. Discuss. :D

I believe we'd had this discussion before...I distinctly remember Dem bringing up the health hazards of necrophelia.

I think for public policy reasons, it would never be legal, regardless of pre-expiry consent.

I believe we'd had this discussion before...I distinctly remember Dem bringing up the health hazards of necrophelia.

I think for public policy reasons, it would never be legal, regardless of pre-expiry consent.

Maybe they could dip the corpse in bleach and hose it down first. ;)

Why do you want to deny other people pleasure, when it doesn't affect you either way?

I knew someone would take me seriously.

To be quite honest, given that I'm more or less asexual (or just disgusted by the idea of sex, I'm not sure which) me being dead is probably the only situation I'd be willing to let someone commit sex acts upon me:p

Maybe they could dip the corpse in bleach and hose it down first. ;)

I suggested last time that you only get to fuck the corpse in the morgue, under cooled conditions, and that there be a sort of 'window of necrofuckability'. Maybe two, three days.

Yes, we've had this discussion before. I was in it.

I was arguing against consensual necrophilia due to virii and bacteria present in the corpse. However, presuming that excuse was no longer viable, it will still bother me. The thing is though, I can't make a viable argument against without that excuse.

I suggested last time that you only get to fuck the corpse in the morgue, under cooled conditions, and that there be a sort of 'window of necrofuckability'. Maybe two, three days.

Maybe five if they vacuum seal you.

Maybe five if they vacuum seal you.

Oh...on male corpses they could just plastic seal you and it would be totally safe sex even!

Might be a little tricker with the wimmin.

Oh...on male corpses they could just plastic seal you and it would be totally safe sex even!

Might be a little tricker with the wimmin.

Just need a little extra plastic in the right area.

Just need a little extra plastic in the right area.

Ayup.

And this topic disturbs me FAR less than the pedophilia discussion.

I'd be okay with someone fucking my corpse, assuming I was at least friends with them while alive.

Doubt I'd take someone up on the offer in the reverse though, but you never know after a night of hard drinking...

I suggested last time that you only get to fuck the corpse in the morgue, under cooled conditions, and that there be a sort of 'window of necrofuckability'. Maybe two, three days.
but those metal tables are soo cold when you... er... nevermind...

Oh...on male corpses they could just plastic seal you and it would be totally safe sex even!

Might be a little tricker with the wimmin.
not really. just ad a bit of extra plastic seal tucked in for a nice sheath...

I'm talking to much now...

but those metal tables are soo cold when you... er... nevermind... Yeah but if you're into fucking dead people, you probably like that kind of cold.

interesting thought.

there is a display called Bodies in Motion (or somesuch.) where they have actual cadavers, some stripped down to muscles, others to the bone, and all poised in various activities.

if they had one showing sex... would that be considered Necrophilia?

then there is how Consent is given. by way of Will? "My posessions will be divided by any who f*&ks my cold body"? others will use that to show that you were not 'of sound mind'.

it will probably still be illegal.

I think if two dead people were having sex with each other, the legality would be moot.

But, I would have huge objections to my dead body being used for sex - if I cant' enjoy it, then why should he!

I believe we'd had this discussion before...I distinctly remember Dem bringing up the health hazards of necrophelia.
There are health hazards to having sex with live people, that's why you wear a condom. Well, you don't, because you've got a lacuna between your legs, but those of us without that lack of penis wear them.

Meh I don't care. If a gay guy or a woman want to use my dead body for their sexual pleasure, more power to them. I'm fucking dead.....hehehe

Meh I don't care. If a gay guy or a woman want to use my dead body for their sexual pleasure, more power to them. I'm fucking dead.....hehehe

You´re a sad sad little man, Wil. I would at least want a modicum of respect after I´m dead, you know.

You´re a sad sad little man. Do you need a hug?

I do I do!

I do I do!

Come here, Poohbah! :fluffle:

A rather dark thought flittered through my brain. Usually I let the really dark ones keep going because they are usually more gruesome than fun. But I decided to hold onto it and see if I could make something amusing out of it.

The thought was this:

As we all know, necrophilia is typically illegal and a taboo of the highest order. Most people understand why. Most people would rather not even think about it, nevermind talk about it. I certainly have no problem with that. But what I wonder is this: Suppose you were okay with it. What I mean is, what if you had no objection to someone using your corpse after your eventual demise for their personal entertainment. Would it still be illegal?

Consensual Necrophilia. Discuss. :D

HOLY SMEG! FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER YOU OUTCREEPED ME AND CREEPED ME OUT! :eek: You sir deserve a medal. ;)

... I would still want to reserve the right to say who could and could not have access to potentially use me in any way. Just because my soul isn't here, does that mean that the body is no longer me? :(

I couldn't help but think of the webstrip 'Sexy Losers' (I won't post a link because it has... well... let's just call it 'Adult Content'..)

Check out the 'SHIUNJI AND THE SUICIDE GIRL' series for some seriously funny but really twisted necrofelia humor...

HOLY SMEG! FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER YOU OUTCREEPED ME AND CREEPED ME OUT! :eek: You sir deserve a medal. ;)

Here's an even creepier thought: What if you're actually dead and, right now, someone is practicing necrophilia with your body and every time you orgasm here, it's because of their actions?

Here's an even creepier thought: What if you're actually dead and, right now, someone is practicing necrophilia with your body and every time you orgasm here, it's because of their actions?

Fore, you just made want to have sex and vomit. All in one. Bravo!!

Yes! I have begun to reach the zen of disturbing people!

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Seriously! :D

You´re a sad sad little man, Wil. I would at least want a modicum of respect after I´m dead, you know.

Oh comon, would you really care what happens to your body ater you're dead? I mean you're DEAD! That means you ceased all mental and physical activity in your body. Thus, you caring what happens to your body also ceases.

What I want to know is what would/should happen say if during consensual sex, while both partners are alive, should one partner expire during the act, the decides to continue until climax is achieved. Does that constitute necrophilia? Or rape for that matter? Consent was given by both partners, does that die with the giver of said consent?

Consensual Necrophilia. Discuss. :D
Best ask someone who has already done this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes

Best ask someone who has already done this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes

Wait....wasn't there a NS issuse that talks about this?

well if you could donate your body to science I guess I could always donate my body to be a third world meal.

Ill call the trend cemicharity

To be honest, I don't see why it should be illegal in that situation (in fact, I struggle to think precisely why it should be illegal generally, as I can't work out precisely where the harm caused is). But I think in law it probably would be, because as far as I know there's no "unless consensual" bit in the law.

EDIT: I suppose emotional harm to the family could be a good reason
Health issues, I've always assumed. Rotting corpses aren't clean.

Health issues, I've always assumed. Rotting corpses aren't clean.

Wouldn't Condoms solve that problem?

Wouldn't Condoms solve that problem?

How do condoms protect you from airborne bacteria?

How do condoms protect you from airborne bacteria?

Put them over your mouth and finish up fast.

How do condoms protect you from airborne bacteria?

OOooo.....ok

Put it over your head?

Hey, the good news is, at least I'm ignorant on a subject I should be ignorant about. :D

Wouldn't Condoms solve that problem?

A whole body condom? It's been a long time, but as I recall, sex involves more than just genital contact.

When I was in high school, one of the students had an organ donor card for a male-only body part. >_>

Erm... this entire idea is gross. :eek:

Erm... this entire idea is gross. :eek:

Aren't Vampires undead. Presumably sleeping with one would be like sleeping with a corpse.

Aren't Vampires undead. Presumably sleeping with one would be like sleeping with a corpse.

Sleeping with vampires, zombies, and the like are actually, the last I checked, considered subgroups of mainstream necrophilia due to their state of unliving. So, all of Vampire Knight Zero's dates have been necrophiliacs ^^

Aren't Vampires undead. Presumably sleeping with one would be like sleeping with a corpse.

I was being serious for once. Odd I know, but yeah. :p

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Originally Posted by Wilgrove
Wouldn't Condoms solve that problem?

A whole body condom? It's been a long time, but as I recall, sex involves more than just genital contact.

Well it would solve the problem of the person stupid enough to wear it

I was being serious for once. Odd I know, but yeah. :p

That shall be your undoing!

That shall be your undoing!

Perhaps... but not today. :)

Just remember: Dead girls don't say "no".

As for MY body: I won't be using it anymore once I'm dead, so someone else might as well.

I don't really want to dwell on the subject to be honest

Personally, I can't wait until Necrophilial marriage is legalized. Maybe then, people wouldn't object to my coming home after a hard days work and cracking a cold one.

Would it still be illegal?

That's highly dependent on your location. The pertinent section of the Swedish criminal code:

"A person who, without authorisation, moves, injures or outrageously treats the corpse or ashes of the dead, opens a grave or otherwise inflicts damage on or abuses a coffin, urn, grave or other resting place of the dead or a tombstone, shall be sentenced for crime against the peace of the tomb to a fine or imprisonment for at most two years."

The authorisation bit is primarily used for people being able to donate their bodies to science, but I am not aware of a case where something like you are suggesting has happened and the law been applied to it. If one looks in the law (1995:832) on autopsies, it does not permit one to donate the body to anyone else other than a qualified anatomical institution at a university/higher seat of education/hospital. The law ends with "He who wilfully performs an act upon a deceased human in violation of this law shall be sentenced to a fine."

So, any sort of "agreement" to allow someone to have sex with your carcass once you are dead would with a high degree of certainty not be held legally viable in this country.

OOooo.....ok

Put it over your head?

http://www.evilmilk.com/pictures/Man_Killed_By_Condom.jpg

Credit to www.evilmilk.com

I don't see how the person's body is any different than any other possessions after death. Cadavers should be commodities, though the ownership of such should (and as far as I know, does) default to the next-of-kin as long as there is no information regarding ownership in the Will, or unless the cadaver's inhabitant had been an organ donor. There are some environmental concerns when owning a human corpse, I'm sure, which may or may not put the legality of necrophilia in question, though.

To quote a Cradle of Filth shirt: Dead Girls Don't Say No

Consensual Necrophilia. Discuss. :D

Wouldn't that just be a rather morbid form of organ donation?

Well it would solve the problem of the person stupid enough to wear it

:p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YFC0O393DQ

This thread needs a song! A thrash metal song from Poland, to be exact:

Turbo (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3536) - Mortuary

From the wide open door
Comes deadly chill
Something draws me inside
The stench and thrill
I don't know where I am
I'm here by chance
The odour of rotting bodies
Clears any doubt
Mortuary!

It's cold and smelly here
Makes me afraid
Lying next to each other
Anonymous dead bodies
Hardly visible shapes
Under white sheets
Protruding bluish feet
Remind me where I am
Mortuary!

This place is so impressive
Makes you remember death
I must escape from here
Away from this foul stench
It's only one corridor
And I will be outside
But I can't escape the truth
That I'll have to return

Strom Thurmond was married; thus marriage with a zombie was legal. :p

I wouldn't want my body to be used for sex after I died. Now an elaborate but hilarious prank...

donate your body to a med school and it is about a 50/50 chance.

This raises another question as well. What about bodies that may be a few hundred or thousand years old? Mummies for example. Are they bodies? Or artifacts? If it is a body, then crimes against it are treated as such am I right? But if it is an artifact then does that warrant a completely different protocol? Take the black market smuggling (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/03/0304_040304_mummyantiquities_2.htmlhttp://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/03/0304_040304_mummyantiquities_2.html) of ancient artifacts out of countries and into museums around the world. Or in the case of a mummy, human trafficking?

Wouldn't that just be a rather morbid form of organ donation?

Or taxidermy, as we're talking about being stuffed and mounted after death. ;)

A dedicated taxidermist could probably make a proper realdoll out of the departed person that you desire as a post mortem love interest. I'm afraid there might be a market for such a niche product.

The problem with consent is that it only really works if the person is still alive. Who's to say I didn't change my mind the second I died and didn't really want you using my dead body for sex. Maybe I said yes but then thought about it on my death bed and didn't have time to change the will! WHAT AN AWFUL SITUATION!

Anyway, necrophilia isn't very clean and if it were legal I could see it causing health problems, especially if people were unwilling to let their "toy" go when it was rotting away.

Anyway, necrophilia isn't very clean and if it were legal I could see it causing health problems, especially if people were unwilling to let their "toy" go when it was rotting away.

As said before, a more hygienic and sensible form of necrophilia is possible if certain progresses are made in the field of taxidermy. Think about it... significantly increasing the longevity in terms of usefulness of those who are no longer alive, so that despite their permanent mental absence they still can satisfy the urges of those who prefer their partners silent as the grave. I can't decide if it's poetic or horrifying, so it's probably both.

Anyway, there really isn't any use in arguing over this. There is no way in hell any politician, judge, community organizer, whatever will endorse making this legal.

Anyway, there really isn't any use in arguing over this.

Understatement of the month. Mind you, we usually don't argue about subjects because it makes sense. Usually the merry lads and gals that frequent NSG just argue for arguing's sake. It has its charm, occasionally.

Understatement of the month. Mind you, we usually don't argue about subjects because it makes sense. Usually the merry lads and gals that frequent NSG just argue for arguing's sake. It has its charm, occasionally.

No it doesn't!!

No it doesn't!!

Yes it does!!!

A rather dark thought flittered through my brain. Usually I let the really dark ones keep going because they are usually more gruesome than fun. But I decided to hold onto it and see if I could make something amusing out of it.

The thought was this:

As we all know, necrophilia is typically illegal and a taboo of the highest order. Most people understand why. Most people would rather not even think about it, nevermind talk about it. I certainly have no problem with that. But what I wonder is this: Suppose you were okay with it. What I mean is, what if you had no objection to someone using your corpse after your eventual demise for their personal entertainment. Would it still be illegal?

Consensual Necrophilia. Discuss. :D

It might be worth being legal just to see what TV adds would be thought up!
:p

It might be worth being legal just to see what TV adds would be thought up!
:p

it will bring a whole new meaning to a B.Y.O.B. party. :D

When I die my body should be stuffed. I want all my favorite phrases recorded so they can be put into my stuffed body, and activated by a string with a loop placed in my back that you pull. A pretty original idea I believe.

haha ..well since i am not a necrophiliac, i wouldnt want anyone to use my body after I die ..but i suppose if 2 parties have already signed consensual agreements in life and if one dies, the other gets the body ..then its fine. ..though i have to say i have not come across any necrphiliacs yet ...

Consensual Necrophilia. Discuss. :D
Makes me wonder how one would recognise the safe word.
Other than, perhaps, a release of gas out of one orifice or another.

To be honest, I don't see why it should be illegal in that situation (in fact, I struggle to think precisely why it should be illegal generally, as I can't work out precisely where the harm caused is). But I think in law it probably would be, because as far as I know there's no "unless consensual" bit in the law.

EDIT: I suppose emotional harm to the family could be a good reason

Plenty of reasons besides the obvious gut revultion and religious taboos. Hygene, distress to the family, inability of the dead to give consent...

What I want to know is what would/should happen say if during consensual sex, while both partners are alive, should one partner expire during the act, the decides to continue until climax is achieved. Does that constitute necrophilia? Or rape for that matter? Consent was given by both partners, does that die with the giver of said consent?

Shh no one needs to know. I hadnt found a willing partner in twelve years gimme a break so what if she was a little experienced.

hey, don't knock it til you've tried it.

hey, don't knock it til you've tried it.

Looks like we've got a candidate for the annual NationStates General Russian Roulette Derby.

Looks like we've got a candidate for the annual NationStates General Russian Roulette Derby.

as long as you remember it's played with a Revolver. I still wanna know who brought that Automatic pistol! :mad:

as long as you remember it's played with a Revolver. I still wanna know who brought that Automatic pistol! :mad:Not I! I wasn't here to play. Pity. :(

Yeah, that edition got a bit messy. It took forever to get the walls clean.